Talk:Goujian

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Are you sure it's the State of Yue and not Wu? It wouldn't make sense for his own ministers, who he appointed, to weaken their own state. This is why I changed the Yue, to Wu. --141.213.196.250 06:12, 22 March 2006 (UTC)[reply]

According to the TV series, which I finished viewing yesterday (May 3rd) on PCNE (a very enjoyable series, I might add), you might be correct, though the TV series glossed over this bit somewhat. It seemed clear, according to the fictional account, that Bo Pi (the rather scheming minister of Wu) did have contact and was flattered by people from Yue at this time. Although I viewed this with Chinese relatives who are familar with the history of this period, and who said the TV series was roughly correct at this point, it would be good to get some verifiable sources for this (a TV drama really doesn't count.)  DDStretch  (talk) 07:52, 4 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]

I've tidied up the article a bit and tried to make it read better. I hope people don't mind.  DDStretch  (talk) 07:52, 4 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Zh lists three possible surnames. One of them (and not Si) is referenced. Kayau Voting IS evil 01:23, 27 February 2011 (UTC)[reply]

http://books.google.com/books?id=-qD-em61j3UC&pg=PA5#v=onepage&q&f=false

Guderyean (talk) 06:04, 17 November 2012 (UTC)[reply]

In "Reconstructing Ancient Korean History: The Formation of Korean-ness in the Shadow of History" by von Stella Xu [1] (p. 36), there's a passage writing that it is common for the Chinese to craft ancestor myths for non-Chinese people to justify Chinese expansions when needed and also explain the difference between Chinese-ness and non-Chinese-ness. Sima Qian assigned Chinese ancestors to most non-Chinese groups, which justified the incorporation of non-Chinese people into his historical records.

Goujian is said to be among whose people who got assigned Chinese ancestors by Sima Qian. Gustmeister (talk) 20:02, 5 April 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Will note that the last scene of the series is a direct reference to the gall/sticks idiom. Jackiespeel (talk) 19:31, 9 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]

I think this distinction is just a difference between traditional and simplified characters. Yezhanquan, if you're seeing 句践 in your copy of the Shiji, I assume you must be reading a simplified character version. Of course we can't rely on websites that have character form switching options to have historically accurate words in every single name, but if you look at a scan of 四庫全書 史記 卷四十一 you can see 勾踐 in the original.

I suggest we treat this like any other difference between simplified and traditional characters. My apologies for calling "句" the wrong word a few edit summaries ago: I see now it is correct in the character form I'm less familiar with. Folly Mox (talk) 11:16, 24 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]