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Dude. Stop editing away the part about the JFK trip. It is a historical fact. They rely on the reports of several contemporary witnesses. Live with it! —Preceding unsigned comment added by Asta (talk • contribs)

-- Attribute something and it can stay. Until then, it needs to go. In addition, it doesn't really make a whole lot of sense. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 216.20.56.29 (talk • contribs)

I deleted the link to Elin's "website"

Link to Website is actually a PORN SITE

The first reference to legal action states "Steinberg also said the couple was considering legal recourse against the magazine." The next paragraph starts "Nordegren won the lawsuit". I think there needs to be a reference to an actual suit being filed. Jaydub99 (talk) 22:32, 14 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]

What is up with the dash in her name? Is that her official name?--Gordonrox24 | ^Talk 22:27, 21 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

No, her last name is Nordegren. The "Woods" was clearly added by someone who can't deal with the idea of a woman not being branded with her husband's name. I hope somebody fixes the page soon. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 141.157.188.81 (talk) 20:17, 3 December 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Here's a link to the history of when that edit was made. Notice the editor provided no citation for the change. The lady's name is Elin Nordegren and the Wikipedia article should be edited to show that rather than reflecting the sexist assumptions of American society. 141.157.188.81 (talk) 20:27, 3 December 2009 (UTC)[reply]

It's not necessary to conclude that the addition was sexist, but you're right that it's inappropriate to include it without a source stating that that is, in fact, her legal name, per the WP:BLP policy. I've removed it accordingly. Chick Bowen 21:04, 3 December 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Thank you. I think you missed the name over the infobox picture though. 141.157.188.81 (talk) 08:51, 4 December 2009 (UTC)[reply]

So I did, thanks. Chick Bowen 01:11, 5 December 2009 (UTC)[reply]

I have removed a thread begun by an anonymous editor, who wondered why the events surrounding the recent car accident are not covered in this article. User:Jayhammers responded that "recentism" was the issue. In fact, we do cover recent events, and we have covered the car accident in the Tiger Woods article. However, the allegations about Nordegren the anonymous editor referred to have been covered only in gossip magazines and blogs rather than reliable sources, and it would violate the biographies of living persons policy to include them in the article. Please note that the BLP policy also covers this talk page, as it says at the very top of the page. Thank you. Chick Bowen 16:56, 1 December 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Reading the article got me thinking, seems a stretch to be referred to as a "model" when the article mentions she was an au pair by the following year. Sounds more like a part time, transitory occupation like anything else (dishwashing, flipping burgers, whatever).--Billymac00 (talk) 02:36, 5 December 2009 (UTC)[reply]

It may seem like a stretch, but it is verifiable:

• "former model Elin Nordegren" [1]

• "former Swedish model"[2]

• "part-time model and nanny"[3]

• "Nordegren, a former model born"[4]

How many sources do you want? ∴ Therefore cogito·sum 22:15, 15 December 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Note -- moved from my talk page. ∴ Therefore cogito·sum 00:13, 16 December 2009 (UTC)[reply]

I quote: "Although Nordegren modeled briefly in her teens, and has been referred to repeatedly in press clippings as a “former model,” she didn’t exactly make a career of it. “She wasn’t a high-profile model,” says one New York-based modeling source from a well-known agency. Partly, this is because she didn’t seem to care about it. Bingo Rimer, the photographer who discovered Nordegren, told SI: “Elin doesn’t care about modeling. She never has. Even the few things I got her to do, I had to drag her into the studio. Being famous, the whole celebrity thing, she really and truly does not care about that.” Nordegren did some commercial work, posing in swimsuits and whatnot, but she went to college anyway, at the prestigious Lund University, and took a job in a Stockholm clothing store called Champagne, where she met Mia Parnevik, wife of Swedish golf sensation Jesper Parnevik, who hired Nordegren as the nanny to their children." http://www.thedailybeast.com/blogs-and-stories/2009-11-30/the-mysterious-mrs-woods/2/

She was never a pro model, never took it seriously, and it was brief; thus it's erroneous to call her a former model. She was a professional nanny though. Cheers. Gregorik (talk) 22:51, 15 December 2009 (UTC)[reply]

You are using the Daily Beast -- that is not a reliable source. I'm using the Associated Press -- that is a reliable source. Secondly, I believe you are contradicting yourself when you say that "she was never a pro model" and "Nordegren did some commerical work". That is the very definition of being a pro model -- getting paid. According to one of my reliable sources, she was a "part time" model. I wouldn't have a problem using that qualification. Bottom line: reliable sources support the statement that she was a model. Wikipedia is about "verifiability, not truth". Thoughts? ∴ Therefore cogito·sum 00:13, 16 December 2009 (UTC)[reply]

You need to look at the facts, not throwaway labels like "former model". The Daily Beast seems to be the only source that bothered to go deep enough in her life to discover that she did not actually have a modeling career; the way I see it, her modeling probably lasted for a few months or less. "Former model" is misleading, "former au pair" is more truthful as she did for about a year. Honestly, she never held a job long enough to be a "pro" in anything; a socialite? Gregorik (talk) 00:32, 16 December 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Actually, her life is tough enough right now without me overanalyzing it publicly. Excuse me, Elin. I'm off. Gregorik (talk) 00:48, 16 December 2009 (UTC)[reply]

You've not addressed my issue: The Daily Beast may be the only source but it isn't a reliable source -- it can't be used in Wikipedia. AP, CNN, Chicago Sun-Times -- they are reliable sources. Again, The issue isn't about what is "more truthful" -- Wikipedia is about verifiability and not truth. Please read up at WP:V. Nor are we to take into consideration how tough her life is. If you are saying that you are not going to discuss this further, then I will put back the part-time model information with all the sources. Otherwise, we will need to take this to an RFC to see if the community agrees with you that verifiability is not important at Wikipedia. Thoughts? ∴ Therefore cogito·sum 02:06, 16 December 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Folks, I'm weighing in with my admin-hat, here--I think this is getting a little uneccessarily heated. There's no need for an RFC and, though the BLP policy requires us to be respectful of article subjects, this seems like a minor issue that is hardly making anyone's life tougher. Please can we tone down the rhetoric a little? I don't see this as that big a deal; "former model" is indeed the phrase used in most reliable sources, but if there are other sources that disagree, there are surely other options: "former part-time model"; "former occasional model"; "worked briefly as a model" etc. etc. Please, work together and find a solution. Thank you. Chick Bowen 02:36, 16 December 2009 (UTC)[reply]

I think "former college student" or just "the wife of TW" would be a good consensus. No more thoughts from me; cheers. Gregorik (talk) 18:02, 16 December 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Whoops, looks like I just stepped in it by re-adding the model information. That'll teach me to edit without reading the talk page. I'm not going to revert my edits, as my opinion is, similar to Therefore's, that reliable sources have been characterizing her as a former model and thus that's what the article should say; however, I'm also not going to get into a war over this. I'd be perfectly fine with a wording tweak like Chick Bowen suggests - "former part-time model", etc would work for me just as well as "former model", but I think referring to her solely as a former au pair is in contradiction of how pretty much all reliable sources refer to her. keɪɑtɪk flʌfi (talk) 15:03, 17 December 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Why is the name of this article Elin Nordegren (snow bunny)?!? —Preceding unsigned comment added by Melvinlzp (talk • contribs) 10:00, 5 December 2009 (UTC)[reply]

• That was vandalism, that has now been cleaned up. Courcelles (talk) 11:28, 5 December 2009 (UTC)[reply]

This was my fault; when I semi-protected it I should have move-protected it as well. My apologies to all. Chick Bowen 17:47, 5 December 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Under "Nude photographs hoax" the first sentence ends with "with text claiming it was, in fact, she". My English is not perfect, but I am pretty sure it should say "her" and not "she". --78.54.16.209 (talk) 13:18, 7 December 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Fixed. -- John Broughton (♫♫) 18:51, 7 December 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Well, I changed it in the first place, and I'm not going to edit-war over it, but "she" is correct, even if "her" would be considered acceptable in informal contexts. This is standard predicate nominative--if a copula declares two nouns to be identical they should be in the same case. Chick Bowen 19:37, 7 December 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks for the information about the predicate nominative, which I never heard of. But concerning to the article there seem to be two camps, both claiming to be right. As a non-native speaker subject complement was new to me, so thank you again for the hint. --92.224.60.21 (talk) 20:31, 7 December 2009 (UTC)[reply]

I changed the wording so that there is no longer a problem with "her" versus "she. -- John Broughton (♫♫) 18:46, 8 December 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Nothing about her husband's marital infidelity and all that, which has been all over the news lately? john k (talk) 23:48, 13 December 2009 (UTC)[reply]

The article is semi-protected, not full-protected; I and other editors have reverted unsourced speculation, but anyone is welcome to add information that is properly drawn from reliable sources, as long as it's truly about Nordegren and not primarily about her husband. I have added a couple of brief sentences about the hubbub. Chick Bowen 05:02, 14 December 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Undue weight is given to this episode in Nordegren's life. It goes into more detail than necessary to give the essence of the hoax -- that is what sources are for. The way it stands now, it looks like it is the most significant event in her life.

I want to take my summarized version and put it under "Marriage to Tiger Woods" as the third paragraph.

I am recommending this change:

Shortly after Nordegren's relationship with Woods became public, nude photographs of a woman resembling Nordegren began circulating on the internet which were proven to be fakes., with text claiming the pictures were of Nordegren. Nordegren, whose modeling work included bikini photo shoots, strongly denied that she has ever posed nude. The nude photographs were actually of Playboy magazine model Kim Hiott, and most were derived from the 2000 edition of Playboy's "Nudes" special edition.^[1][2] Despite this, identification and repeated denials from Nordegren and Woods, in September 2006 (immediately prior to the 2006 Ryder Cup) Irish magazine The Dubliner published an article "Ryder Cup Filth for Ireland," which included the nude photographs of Hiott and stated they were of Nordegren.^[3] Woods described the story as "unacceptable," and his agent Mark Steinberg said, "Everyone knew it wasn’t her. It's plain as day."^[4] Steinberg also said the couple was considering legal recourse against the magazine. The Dubliner issued an apology for the story, saying that they had printed the photos as a "satire of tabloid publishing." She subsequently settled a lawsuit with the magazine requiring, in part, a lengthy apology.

On November 16, 2006, Nordegren filed a libel suit against The Dubliner.^[5] Nordegren won the lawsuit and as part of the settlement accepted by a Dublin court, The Dubliner was required to publish its lengthy apology in a variety of venues. If the magazine failed to meet the conditions, the award would be increased to $366,500 and the publishers would have to pay Nordegren's legal costs.^[6]

The resulting paragraph would read:

Shortly after Nordegren's relationship with Woods became public, nude photographs of a woman resembling Nordegren began circulating on the internet which were proven to be fakes.^[7][8] Despite this, in 2006, Irish magazine The Dubliner published the nude photographs and stated they were of Nordegren.^[9][10] She subsequently settled a libel lawsuit with the magazine requiring, in part, a lengthy apology.^[11][12]

Thoughts? ∴ Therefore cogito·sum 01:17, 11 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]

I agree. Your wording is pretty good. The first sentence could use some tweaking, since you call the pictures "fakes" without stating that they were intended to be taken as Nordegren (that is, they were real insofar as they were of someone else). Then there's a "this" with unclear referent. So I would suggest, "Shortly after [. . .] became public, nude photographs purporting to be of Nordegren began ciculating on the internet, which were established to be fakes.[refs] Despite the debunking, [. . .]" and otherwise as you've suggested. Thanks for pointing this out. Chick Bowen 01:39, 11 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Seems OK to me. Tomas e (talk) 15:53, 11 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]

No objections, so I've done this. I also integrated it into the previous section--no need for its own, I don't think. Feel free to tweak. Thanks again to Therefore for bring this up. Chick Bowen 16:23, 11 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Now officially reported that she's divorced. Someone should edit. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 128.196.31.51 (talk) 19:00, 23 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]

I changed it to back to Swedish as it is ridiculous to classify Nordegren as Swedish - American. And as per MOS:BIO, she became known as Swedish. Norum 04:58, 25 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]

It has been formally reported that she is taking classes. I think the occupations au pair and clerk are out of date and that Student would be more appropriate. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 74.220.182.220 (talk) 12:20, 25 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Could anyone do sth with the ancient picture of her? She is very discusable person in the latest days... I think that pic that is from year 2003 is not acceptable. —Preceding unsigned comment added by TrancerCZ (talk • contribs) 02:17, 26 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Got a better one? The important thing is it has to be free - public domain, cc-by, or something similar. Unlike newspapers or most web sites, we can't use most copyrighted photos. Wikipedia:Image use policy has the details. --GRuban (talk) 02:29, 26 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]

So when I meet her at a street and do a snap of her and upload, still forbidden? Why nobody does sth like it, in case it's allowed? —Preceding unsigned comment added by TrancerCZ (talk • contribs) 05:39, 26 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]

I'm not a lawyer, so don't know how ambush photography is viewed in the relevant jurisdiction, but from the Wikipedia point of view, the photo itself would be perfectly acceptable. If you have taken a photo of her that you are willing to mark as public domain, or Creative Commons Attribution or Attribution Share-Alike, please do upload it. --GRuban (talk) 20:38, 1 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]

I totally agree. Would someone please provide a more accurate picture of her already? She is one of the most beautiful models in the world and this photo is a complete disservice to her. Georgiapeachdin (talk) 11:47, 29 June 2019 (UTC)[reply]

this twitter obviously is a fake, but I was wondering whether anyone knows of any of her contacts, official site, e-mail, profile on social networks, anything!! 96.47.225.210 (talk) 22:10, 20 May 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Any sightings of her stripping? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.71.4.114 (talk) 20:28, 14 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]

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The opening sentence of the lead contains the following statement: "professional golfer Tiger Woods, who has worked as a model and nanny." I don't think that Tiger Woods has worked as a model and nanny. I'm not supposed to make stylistic and grammar corrections, so I stood there and laughed at the sentence.Anthony22 (talk) 03:27, 17 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]

• Selective quotation--not intellectually honest. Thank you Begoon, for this. Drmies (talk) 03:29, 18 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]

  Heh - you're welcome. I agree with your evaluation, btw, but meh, I tighten screws at home that don't really need tightening when I'm asked to as well - it just makes life easier (and quieter)... -- Begoon 03:37, 18 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]

• True dat. Next thing you know all the cabinet doors in the den are sanded, primed, painted. I'm almost done, honey. Drmies (talk) 03:40, 18 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Is the spouse, partner, ex-spouse, etc. of every famous person 'notable' in their own right? If so, why? Thank you, Billsmith60 (talk) 10:46, 10 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]