Talk:Electrophonic hearing

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Electronophonic hearing is well documented:

As discussed in this abstract http://jap.physiology.org/content/17/4/689.abstract

The intent of this paper is to bring a new phenomenon to the attention of physiologists. Using extremely low average power densities of electromagnetic energy, the perception of sounds was induced in normal and deaf humans. The effect was induced several hundred feet from the antenna the instant the transmitter was turned on, and is a function of carrier frequency and modulation. Attempts were made to match the sounds induced by electromagnetic energy and acoustic energy. The closest match occurred when the acoustic amplifier was driven by the rf transmitter's modulator. Peak power density is a critical factor and, with acoustic noise of approximately 80 db, a peak power density of approximately 275 mw/ cm2 is needed to induce the perception at carrier frequencies of 425 mc and 1,310 mc. The average power density can be at least as low as 400 μw/cm2. The evidence for the various possible sites of the electromagnetic energy sensor are discussed and locations peripheral to the cochlea are ruled out.

Also via the references on this NASA webpage discussing the phenomena http://science1.nasa.gov/science-news/science-at-nasa/2001/ast26nov_1/

See also Audible fireballs and geophysical electrophonics Astronomical Society of Australia, Proceedings (ISSN 0066-9997), vol. 11, no. 1, p. 12-15 http://adsabs.harvard.edu/abs/1994PASAu..11...12K

Also http://inamidst.com/notes/electrophonic

And discussed in deep detail in this research paper http://lib.tkk.fi/Dipl/2005/urn007898.pdf

Ema Zee (talk) 05:09, 15 May 2013 (UTC) In the mid 1960s I was walking home after visiting a friend. I saw a metior streak across the sky (about two or three degrees) and at the same time I heard a sputtering sound. I instantly thought that what I had heard was impossible since the metior was probably at least 50 miles away. I rememberd this event and latter found out that it was probably this electrophonic effect. Years latter I was playing around with a long wire antenna I had set up for short wave radio listening. On a whim I took an old speaker I had laying around and strapped a diode across the speaker leads. I connected one side to the antenna and the other to ground. I could pick up a local C&W radio station. I latter took it to my office and gave it to a guy who had several kids so they could enjoy the crystal set. I mentioned this to another guy at work and he told me that he was outside his house looking in the grass around the corner of his house. When he lowered his head down near the rain pipe he could hear a radio station he guessed that somewhere along the pipe rust or corrosion had formed a crystal and the rest of the pipe was acting as an antenna and ground system with the hollow tube of the rain gutter forming a resonant cavity. 72.168.161.138 (talk) 16:47, 29 January 2016 (UTC) sunwukong ([reply]

I propose that Microwave auditory effect be merged here. I think that the microwave auditory effect is just one example of Electrophonic hearing, and the topic does not merit two separate articles. — Cheers, Steelpillow (Talk) 14:40, 28 August 2016 (UTC)[reply]

• Merge + redirect - It seems more useful to me to have everything in the same article, especially that they are both short. This makes it easier to read and monitor (especially that it's also associated with conspiracy theories). In the case of specific notable medical products using the technology, or particular non-lethal weapons, they could eventually have their own article as they become mainstream. —PaleoNeonate – 09:22, 29 August 2017 (UTC)[reply]

  Actually, I would prefer that this one be merged into Microwave auditory effect, I think. If deciding between the two is an issue, we could have another discussion for that. —PaleoNeonate – 09:24, 29 August 2017 (UTC)[reply]

• Merge and redirect to Microwave auditory effect. I commented at WP:FTN that this article wrongly connects urban legends about people hearing radio stations via their tooth fillings, sounds created by meteors, Eskimo folklore regarding aurora, etc. with conversion of microwave electromagnetic radiation into audible sound. - LuckyLouie (talk) 12:59, 29 August 2017 (UTC)[reply]
• Merge as it seems that they address - at root - the same phenomena and the difference between the two articles appears to be trivial. They were probably developed in parallel without mutual knowledge. Kortoso (talk) 21:03, 31 August 2017 (UTC)[reply]
• Merge + redirect, preferably to Microwave auditory effect. They discuss the identical topic, and the fringe theories involved make split articles particularly concerning. I believe microwave auditory effect is the better destination as a clear descriptive title. Google says there's closely equal number of hits for both, and and I'm concerned "electrophonic hearing" may not be a clear or accepted name. Alsee (talk) 12:18, 5 September 2017 (UTC)[reply]

@Alsee, please list specific instances which you would consider "fringe" and your rationale for tagging them in such a manner. Kortoso (talk) 20:00, 2 October 2017 (UTC)[reply]

• Do not merge. This phenomenon deserve an article of its own, there are many was to manipulate a humans mind using esotric means--Namaste@^? 13:05, 13 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]

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Interesting that the article title has been redirected to 'microwave auditory effect' (MAE). I wonder how and why that happened.

As many people (but apparently not all) know, microwave and VLF are quite different regions of the EM spectrum. I see no evidence that the two are directly related otherwise in this question. Nor do I see any reason why the term 'electrophonic' appears *nowhere* on the MAE page today.

The study of VLF/ELF electrophonics dates back over 35 years. Professor Colin Keay was one of the pioneers; didn't see his name of the MAE page anywhere either. I wonder what became of the content which constituted this (separate) article.

I've no skin in this game. But this list of VLF references may prove useful to someone. Twang (talk) 03:58, 6 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]

"Electrophonic" hearing, in general, is reception of sound produced by electricity in some form. While it may be produced by many frequencies including VLF, microwaves are widely discussed in relation to the term [1] [2]. Since the original Electrophonic hearing article was an erroneous mess of WP:OR (and the existing MAE article focuses on Electrophonic hearing at microwave level) the present redirect was arrived at by WP:CONSENSUS. You can always draft a new and more accurate Electrophonic hearing article that includes all the various permutations of the term if you wish. - LuckyLouie (talk) 16:45, 7 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]