Talk:Catherine Wilson

A fact from Catherine Wilson appeared on Wikipedia's Main Page in the Did you know column on 11 January 2009, and was viewed approximately 3,249 times (disclaimer) (check views). The text of the entry was as follows: Did you know... that after the 1862 trial of poisoner Catherine Wilson, the judge, John Barnard Byles, described her as "the greatest criminal that ever lived"? A record of the entry may be seen at Wikipedia:Recent additions/2009/January.

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I just fixed up a citation for the source "Life, trial, sentence, and execution..." etc. I used the "cite news" template. I don't think that's exactly the right one, though. The source is a broadside; it's not really a newspaper at all. According to Broadside (printing), "The historic type of broadsides were ephemera, i.e. temporary documents created for a specific purpose and intended to be thrown away." This one in particular is a wood engraving. In modern terms, I would consider it more of a pamphlet or poster.

Is there a template for such a source? If you know of one, let me know. Or use it, but still please notify me so I know it for the future. --Officiallyover (talk) 12:35, 31 August 2011 (UTC)[reply]

I doubt there's a template for such a source, because it would not be reliable. Is there any reason to suppose such a publication would have "a reputation for fact-checking and accuracy"? Cusop Dingle (talk) 16:00, 31 August 2011 (UTC)[reply]

It seems to me that a broadside, as a source, is reliable for some things, but not for others. Basic facts yes, especially those heard in court, but other things, such as quotes, should be taken with a pinch of salt. This source however, is only mildly sensational and I doubt it has taken too many liberties. I'd trust it more than the Sun (newspaper). Malick78 (talk) 21:57, 31 August 2011 (UTC)[reply]

I suggest reading Judith Flanders, The Invention of Murder, for a discussion of the reliability, or otherwise, of broadsides and other popular material in reporting sensational crimes. Cusop Dingle (talk) 06:38, 2 September 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Followup. I found a copy of Flanders, and here are some quotes. "The text in many broadsides published before the trial was generic" (pp.167-8); "'Cocks', or false stories, in broadsides were not uncommon" (p.231); "A number of the poems had no more connection to reality than the old execution broadsides sold under the gallows had had" (p.355) Cusop Dingle (talk) 10:58, 4 September 2011 (UTC)[reply]

It's also true that much on TV is false. But that doesn't mean everything is. You have to show that a particular instance of something is false. Don't you think? Malick78 (talk) 20:34, 4 September 2011 (UTC)[reply]

On the contrary, we should be using reliable, third-party, published sources with a reputation for fact-checking and accuracy. If you want to use a source, you need to have sopme reason that it satisfies those criteria. I have presented a recent serious reference that suggests strongly that broadsides as a class are not reliable. The burden of evidence lies with the editor who adds or restores material, so if you do not have a good reason to believe that a source is reliable then it should not be used. Cusop Dingle (talk) 21:00, 4 September 2011 (UTC)[reply]

I have removed the parenthesis (though there is doubt as to whether she had proper qualifications) because it seems unlikely that there were any such things in the 1850s, since Florence Nightingale did not set up her school of nursing until 1860. The citation is to Murder UK. Is there any reason to suppose that this website is a reliable source? Cusop Dingle (talk) 16:11, 31 August 2011 (UTC)[reply]

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There are at least three Kirkbys in Cumbria: Kirkby Lonsdale, Kirkby Stephen (both in Westmorland in Wilson's day), and Kirkby in Furness (then in Lancashire). I've tried to ascertain which is correct here, and Lonsdale appears to be right. The previous 'Kirkby' was incorrectly linked to Kirkby, Merseyside, which has no connection either to Wilson or Cumbria. If anyone can establish reliably which Kirkby is meant, then please reference accordingly. I have gone by the predominance in a search of Lonsdale as the town, but couldn't see a particularly reliable source to reference. None of the three articles here list Wilson as a notable former inhabitant. If reference can be found, perhaps Wilson should be added to the relevant Kirkby article here. Sarandone2 (talk) 10:54, 5 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]