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Anyone with an interest in Ghanaian articles needs to help me. I'm not sure if it's a cultural thing, but Ghanaian wikipedia editors frequently cover a page with pictures. I think it's because Ghanaians generally don't read very often. Anyways, it appears it has happened on this article as well. Ghanaian wikipedia editors turn Ghana-specific articles into picture books. If you are one of them and you're reading this now, please read more and post less. --Yellowfiver (talk) 00:36, 4 March 2014 (UTC)[reply]

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I'm from the Midwest and remember the expression "coon" as signifying a black person. Must be a derivative of barracoon. Any insights?

I took this question off the article page because it doesn't belong there, obviously. It belongs here.

As far as I understand the origin of the racial slur "coon" in the U.S.: it is a murderous euphemism which comes from the quaint KKK-style deathsquad activity which was often called "coon hunting", in which white men would hunt down black men (mostly, I suppose. Maybe women too) with their 'coon dog' hounds. And since this murder bloodsport was actually illegal after the U.S. Civil War, these killers, when they were speaking of their murders in open company, would refer to them as "coon hunting" (racoon hunting). And so I think any connection between the southern U.S. slangword 'coon' and 'barracoon' is merely coincidence. The word could easily have been spelled 'barracoun' or 'barracun', etc.

Pazouzou 14:38, 29 August 2006 (UTC)[reply]

The Akan people are not an ethnic group but rather a linguistic group including Ashanti, Akuapem, etc.

Its both an Ethnic and linguistic group. Make sure you sign your posts.

Delivernews (talk) 00:16, 2 March 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Can somebody clarify how many Akan states there are? While different sites list names it is never clear whether these are states or some kind of subgroups. Also, the list do not match. Is membership of a state determined by patrilinial descent? What about clan membership? It would be great if somebody could explain all this. Thanks! —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 66.90.153.61 (talk) 20:31, 13 March 2007 (UTC).[reply]

I have gotten the impression that "Akan" is used in at least a couple of different ways: one as a large ethno-linguistic category portrayed in this article, and another more narrow one limited to peoples speaking the highly interintelligible languages of Twi and Fante in Ghana. The latter use seems to be missing from the current configuration of articles including this one, Akan languages (which now redirects to another), and Akan language. Am I correct on this? I'll post a similar question on the latter article.--A12n (talk) 08:45, 27 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]

(I am not well-informed about the Akan peoples, but am a competent researcher if I could afford to spend the time required.) In my work providing source references for the Akan section of Matrilineality, I was hoping for some help from the article Akan people. Instead, I was surprised that there was an apparently-total disconnect between the two, with the Akan article containing very little information about Akan matrilineality. After much work, I finally stumbled across the online source of more than half of the Akan matrilineality information in the aforementioned Akan section (I've added quotation marks as appropriate), and I'm dropping the unsourced remainder of this section. I'm also adding content from an Encyclopaedia Britannica article of an appropriate vintage (1970) – written not too long after the main books were written on this subject. And I'm replacing the above-mentioned matrilineality part of the Akan article, as well, with my newly rewritten Akan section. I hope that both the section and the article are significantly improved; the source references definitely are improved, since there were none, before I added mine. (This paragraph is being added to the Talk page of both articles linked to above.) For7thGen (talk) 01:56, 26 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Is the Akan culture as described in the above two reference sources still alive for people in the cities (or the rural villages, either) of south Ghana, etc.? Since neither source actually states anything on this important point, I cannot provide a source reference for this point, and thus cannot bring it up in WP articles, according to WP guidelines. (This paragraph is being added to the Talk page of both WP articles Matrilineality and Akan people.) For7thGen (talk) 01:56, 26 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Radio Television Brunei (Radio Televisyen Brunei or RTB) is the state broadcaster of Brunei. Radio Brunei made its first broadcast on 2 May 1957, with a Television service starting in 1 March 1975. Radio Television Brunei also monopolies the free-to-air television in the country, and also radio until 1999, when the country's only commercial radio station, KRISTALfm was founded. Internationally compared to Malaysia and Indonesia, RTB is still far out of standard with the likes of Radio Televisyen Malaysia (RTM). Improvement are made depending on the government budget. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 118.96.203.183 (talk) 07:41, 17 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]

I have tried to clean up and tag for clean up this article as charitably as possible. But I am afraid if the requests for references aren't met, the unreferenced statements will just have to be removed. It is not a "reference" to search for "proto Akan" on google books and then paste a naked url to a book that came up, as somebody managed to do here, as in

• http://books.google.com/books?id=VOXO_jkE-aUC&pg=PA45&dq=%22proto+Akan%22&hl=ak&ei=obPdTfbvIqi-0AHft6mcCg&sa=X&oi=book_result&ct=result&resnum=1&ved=0CCIQ6AEwAA#v=onepage&q=Akan&f=false

this is not a "reference". it is a potential reference. You will need to figure out on which page mention of "proto Akan" is being made in this book, and what is being said about it, and then report the content of the source accurately.

All that we know at this point is that in 2010 somebody wrote a "groundbreaking study of the Akan diaspora", which had previously been "neglected", mostly because the Akan diaspora is very small numerically. If somebody can summarize what the book says about an Akan diaspora other than that it is very small, I am sure there can be a diaspora section in this article. As long as nobody bothers to sit down and do this properly, the article will just have to do without such a section.

Also, as has been noted above, this article is completely confused as to whether its focus is the Akan proper, i.e. the speakers of the Akan language (which is, of course, either an ethnic group, or a handful of closely related ethnic groups), or whether it wants to focus on the much larger Central Tano ethno-linguistic macrogroup. SIL Ethnologue estimates that as of 2004, there were 8,3 million Akan in Ghana (or roughly one third of Ghanian population), including

• 2,800,000 Asante Twi
• 1,900,000 Fante
• 555,000 Akuapem Twi

This we can consider referenced information. The "20 million" claim, otoh, is completely unreferenced, and also apparently confuses the "Akan proper" with the larger Central Tano group. Not to mention claims about religious adherence and what have you, which are given without even a pretense of providing references. --dab (𒁳) 08:22, 19 September 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Okay so lets fix it rather than mess it up. What say you? You in Delivernews??

It should be kept as it is as we improve it though. It has been like this for months no and a lot of work was put into it to simply mess it up so I vote to keep it as is as we work on it!

I am busy this week and have a big exam so how about we do it on Saturday. Peace.

Medicineman84 (talk) 12:10, 19 September 2011 (UTC)[reply]

why would you want to "keep it as it is"? I am glad you want to improve this article, but what is your reason to restore a completely broken, unencyclopedic, unreferenced article before you have done so? I am looking forward to your additions. But there is no reason to restore a crappy version just because you intend to some day improve it, that doesn't make a lot of sense. --dab (𒁳) 12:24, 19 September 2011 (UTC)[reply]

You are confused. Akan is not only a lingusitic group but an ethnic group based on areas that came under the Ashanti Empire. The tribes listed are Akan culturally.

Search their culture or, search those names online and you wills see that. you seem to know very little but, want to take over the page.

Once again not all Akan are central Tano speakers.

If you are going to do this to this page then, almost every other page will have to be edited.

Medicineman84 (talk) 14:55, 19 September 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Funny how people who know the least want to take over the page. Well done mate! Delivernews (talk) 15:42, 19 September 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Yes one would think people would be more respectful when coming to a page rather than just start deleting stuff. Such arrogance.

Medicineman84 (talk) 16:01, 19 September 2011 (UTC)[reply]

wait, you are saying that you want to fix this article, on Saturday or so, and take this as an rationale for restoring an obviously broken, extremely low quality version? I am not going to begin listing all the guidelines and policies violated in the revision you restored. I hope we can just agree it is a crappy article and needs to be fixed.

Now there is no excuse whatsoever to restore a crappy article before you fixed it. What is wrong with you, that doesn't even begin to make sense. Fix it or don't fix it, please. There is nothing 'arrogant' about tagging articles for cleanup or removing unreferenced content. It would be arrogant to start calling people names because they wrote a bad article. I did no such thing. I found a bad article and started fixing it. The arrogance is entirely that of editors who feel the rules don't apply to them and that they have a call to restore flawed content just because "they are going to fix it on Saturday".

Also please don't start with WP:OTHERCRAP. You find a bad article somewhere else, yes, please fix it.

Also, why would you restore the childish prose about how ancient and original and unspoiled Akan culture is supposed to be? Even if you had a decent reference saying "Akan culture is conservative", this isn't encyclopedic tone. All this does is make you look naive. Are you somehow trying to tout your own group here? If you cannot write soberly about your own group, please just find some other topic you feel less emotional about. This is an encyclopedia. I have no doubt the Akan are great. But this isn't a blog where you can go on about how great they are. Read WP:ENC. You are not doing anyone a favour. Not yourself, not Wikipedia, and certainly not the Akan, who would deserve serious anthropological coverage, not a blog post. --dab (𒁳) 18:24, 19 September 2011 (UTC)[reply]

I am not Akan Just a person who writes articles. Give me a source for what is encyclopedic. I see no problem with it. No difference between this http://www.britannica.com/EBchecked/topic/11369/Akan

and what is posted here. Can change the language but, the content must stay

Medicineman84 (talk) 23:14, 19 September 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Alright I took your advice and made it an easy to read factual site rather than an article which could have been interpreted wrongly. I suggest you do the same thing on other pages. Medicineman84 (talk) 00:10, 20 September 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Just a quick question: Is Usain Bolt Akan, also, I know it was determined that Michelle Obama's roots could be traced to slaves who were possibly deported from Ghana, but is her ancestors also Akan. http://www.nytimes.com/2009/10/08/us/politics/08genealogy.html?pagewanted=all — Preceding unsigned comment added by Asdf username (talk • contribs) 09:28, 4 June 2012 (UTC)[reply]

• 1. Well, Usain Bolt could be from the Akan sub-group Coromantee people, who are the biggest ethnic group in Jamaica: See --> Ethnic origins of Jamaicans.

• 2. Michelle Obama, the U.S. First Lady, I once read somewhere but I could not remember what magazine and news article, that she stated her ancestral home as Cape Coast in Ghana, which is also the ancestral and historic home of the Akan sub-group Fante people and Ashanti people. The Fante people overwhelmingly inhabit the whole Central Region in Ghana, Western Region in Ghana, Southerncoast of Côte d'Ivoire, and Southwestern Liberia. During throughout the slave trade, the Akan's in particular the The Ashanti captured (during the Wars of the Ashanti) and sold many people from Akan sub-groups (specifically the Fante people) to slavery to Europeans and at the Cape Coast Castle and Elmina Castle. The Ashanti continued this slavery trade with Europeans prior, during, and to the end of the Ashanti Empire era in 1902, and on 11 July 2009, Michelle Obama took the rest of the first family to tour Cape Coast Castle as part of her husband's trip to Ghana. She may have traced her ancestors to being from Cape Coast, in the Central Region in Ghana and of Akan origins. MarkMysoe (talk) 14:51, 8 June 2012 (UTC)[reply]

I have included three images intended on improving the Akan article on the behalf of WikiProject Akan. Two images depicting the Akan history of the Anglo-Ashanti wars, and one in the infobox, a collage. The simple three images additions have been removed by Dbachmann. There is nothing (Wikipedia:Civil POV pushing - Pov pushing) about adding three images intended to improve a article, as Dbachmann has done and used otherwise to remove the three images intended to improve the Akan article. There is also no "Pov pushing" about the three images or adding three images intended on improving a article, as part of a WikiProject intended on improving the coverage of the Akan topic. I don't think it is necessary that a confrontation between MarkMysoe and Dbachmann should drag into a unwanted edit war over a sincere addition of three images intended on improving the Akan article with three sincere and un-Pov pushing images, and in no way by doing this, it can not be regarded as (Wikipedia:Civil POV pushing - Pov pushing). A few sources of the people in the collage are Akan descended can be found at the following links: Denmark Vesey, ([1]); William Ansah Sessarakoo, ([2]); Yaa Asantewaa, ([3]); Ottobah Cugoano, ([4]); Prempeh I, ([5]); J. E. Casely Hayford, ([6], [7]); Arthur Wharton, ([8]); Jacobus Capitein, ([9]); James Emman Kwegyir Aggrey, ([10]); Claude McKay, ([11]); Ozwald Boateng, ([12]); Kofi Annan, ([13]); Patrick Awuah, Jr., ([14]). My sincere regards to anyone that may take interest of this – MarkMysoe (talk) 13:56, 20 September 2012 (UTC)[reply]

In the opening paragraph : "The Akan people are an ethnic group of West Africa predominantly in Ghana and the Ivory Coast. Ethnic Akans are the majority in both countries and have a population of roughly 20 million people.[1]"

Whereas, according to the reference given [1], the Akan people make up less than 50% in both countries. In order to be 'the majority' they would need to be over 50%.

They may well be 'the largest group' or 'a major group' or even 'the major group' in each country, but they are not 'the majority'. 'Majority', except for understood misuse for elections, means greater than 50%.

Not usually one for pedantry but that one rankled. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Chicmac (talk • contribs) 13:30, 9 November 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Generally and constructively improved article topic that was previously limited information and disinformation. Sintinon (talk) 19:55, 13 April 2014 (UTC)[reply]

1. Disinformation (Akans are an ethnic group divided into 34 sub-groups). 12 images of notable Akans is enough- 16 images is too many images. Adinkra symbols image is mentioned in Akan culture.
2. Removed two deleted images. Scaled down extreme overlinking-there is a dedicated article- list of Akan people, dedicated to mentioning notable Akan individuals.
3. Removed two unencyclopedic templates that is already in Akan names dedicated article- Akan names article, is dedicated to explaining Akan first names and Akan surnames.
4. Capital letters inline grammar (Slave Revolt ---> slave revolt - Violent Revolution ---> violent revolt) and disambiguation name link (Kofi ---> Cuffy).
5. Grammar (groups ---> subgroups). Scaled down too many images in gallery to 8 encyclopedic historic Akan related important images from extremely too many 17 unencyclopedic and unimportant images. Any edit disputes should be discussed here in Talk:Akan people. Regards.

Sintinon (talk) 14:59, 20 April 2014 (UTC)[reply]

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Currently the "Orgin and ethnogenesis" section states: "Oral traditions of the ruling Abrade (Aduana) Clan relate that they originated from ancient Ghana. They migrated from the north, they went through Egypt and settled in Nubia (Sudan). Around 500AD (5th century), due to the pressure exerted on Nubia by Axumite kingdom of Ethiopia, Nubia was shattered, and the Akan people moved west and established small trading kingdoms."

1. I am not an expert on the Akan, their oral traditions, nor Ghana. I do, however, know a fair bit about Nubian history. Nubia did NOT collapse due to pressure by the Axumite kingdom of Ethiopia. It survived for several centuries after that date (500 AD) before it collapsed from pressure from incursions from Muslims from Egypt and Arabia.

2. The language describing the migratory routes of the Abrade Clan is not clear. They started in Ghana and then went south ("from the north") to go through Egypt? Or they started north of Egypt (Cyprus? the Levant? Asia Minor?) and then proceeded south to Nubia before moving west to Ghana? Or perhaps this — "... they were from ancient Ghana. Prior to that, their ancestors had migrated from Egypt into Nubia (Sudan). ... then the Akan people moved west ... " ?

Olcharkuk (talk) 06:13, 20 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]

I find it hard to belive it too, honestly. There is a possibility that the Akan where responsible for the creation of ancient Ghana, but the migration pattern from Ancient Egypt or Nubia seems fantastical, even without any genetic trace or something like that. The lack of notes/ref it's pretty suspicious and, the notes in the main article of the Ghana empire (the ones who asserts the migration from aswan, upper egypt) need a NPOV check. Kleistinos (talk) 20:19, 13 March 2019 (UTC)[reply]

My name is abenaa, But is had to be spelt Abena, A friend of mines came to your village today. But due to the time difference where i reside presently in Europa he could not reach on time to speak to the elder from the village. For some years i have been searching for u..I knew my name mean't something and that it had to do with the day i was born on..But as a child growing up i knew i had to do something and one day i would travel too see where i really came from.From reading your History that is one line..i am a direct decendant from your tribe..your people were taken from West african to the west indies that is where i was born.I would like to speak to someone from the akan goverment/tribe if i can say that with.. respect of course.I am thinking of taking a sabbatical after this corona crisis and come for a vist..via unicef to give back and also to meet u and let u see that your values were not forgotten after all and let u see that i carry my name with pride grace and honesty. I hope that this reaches u in good health and grace and u can reach on +31629540295. I thank u for your time, Sincerely i remain. Moyencia Abenaa Duncan Moyencia (talk) 19:46, 7 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]