Talk:Abgig obelisk

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Review: May 5, 2023. (Reviewed version).

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A fact from Abgig obelisk appeared on Wikipedia's Main Page in the Did you know column on 6 June 2023 (check views). The text of the entry was as follows:

Did you know... that when first erected, the Abgig obelisk likely stood at 12.9 metres (42.3 ft) high, but was knocked down on the ground and broke into two pieces?

A record of the entry may be seen at Wikipedia:Recent additions/2023/June. The nomination discussion and review may be seen at Template:Did you know nominations/Abgig obelisk.

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GA Review

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Reviewer: LunaEatsTuna (talk · contribs) 00:42, 1 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]

This looks like a fun article! I will get to this within seven days. Please note that I am returning to GA reviewing after an hiatus, so please WP:TROUT me if I make a mistake. Thanks, ツ LunaEatsTuna (💬)— 00:42, 1 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks for the interesting read! My knowledge is with Mesopotamia, especially the Akkadians and Biblical history, but this turned out to be a very fascinating read. Anyways, I have placed this on hold for now and left my comments below. ツ LunaEatsTuna (💬)— 03:06, 5 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]

@LunaEatsTuna: Thank you for the thorough review! Let me know what you think of these changes.--Gen. Quon_[Talk] 14:13, 5 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]

I like them a lot! I am now pleased to pass this wonderful article for GA status. Congrats! ツ LunaEatsTuna (💬)— 22:41, 5 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Copyvio

Earwig says good to go. No concerns from me either.

Files

Good to go— MadinatFayyumAbgigObelisk.jpg is under CC-BY-SA; Abgig obelisk Registers Obverse.png has a valid public domain rationale; Fayoum (Fayyûm). Vue et détails de l'obélisque de Begyg (Begig) (NYPL b14212718-1268166).jpg too has a valid public domain rationale; Obelisk von Begig edit.png and Chaaban Abgig Obelisk.png ibid.

Prose

In the lead, wikilink Register (art) for unfamiliar readers.
Done.--Gen. Quon_[Talk] 14:12, 5 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Wikilink Faiyum as first mention in the body.
Done.--Gen. Quon_[Talk] 14:12, 5 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]
In the sentence containing "the obelisk was visited and described by," I would order the figures by ascending year, so have Lepsius last.
Done.--Gen. Quon_[Talk] 14:12, 5 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]
"but he was unsuccessful in his search." – how about removing he for slightly better flow?
I reworded that whole sentence to make it more compact.--Gen. Quon_[Talk] 14:12, 5 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]
"and when it was first erected, it likely stood" – same point as above, but to remove redundant usage of it.
Done.--Gen. Quon_[Talk] 14:12, 5 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]
"hardly anything remains of the monument's inscriptions or its registers" – wikilink registers and unlink their mention in § Obverse side.
Done.--Gen. Quon_[Talk] 14:12, 5 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Seeing as it is speculative, does the source say why Maspero and Sourouzian think that the figure was a falcon made of metal? i.e. was that a symbol of Ancient Egypt?
I'm unsure. The source only reads, "Gaston Maspero and, more recently, Hourig Sourouzian, who connects this monument with the commemoration columns of Merenptah, have suggested that it was crowned by a statue of a falcon, possibly made of a different material, perhaps metal, to that of the monument itself" (p. 375).--Gen. Quon_[Talk] 14:12, 5 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]
I see. ツ LunaEatsTuna (💬)— 22:37, 5 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]
In the sentence starting "Of note, these deities" – are the parentheses necessary?
I reworded it and removed the parentheses.--Gen. Quon_[Talk] 14:12, 5 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]
In the table, "Thot" links to a disambig page.
That was a typo! Fixed.--Gen. Quon_[Talk] 14:12, 5 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]
In the königsnovelle note, I do not believe a comma should come after i.e.
This is the convention in American English. As I note below, however, I could understand switching to British English if that is seen as more appropriate.--Gen. Quon_[Talk] 14:12, 5 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Oh—interesting! It should be fine. ツ LunaEatsTuna (💬)— 22:37, 5 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]
"and another god." – if unknown, recommend "and another unidentified god."
Done.--Gen. Quon_[Talk] 14:12, 5 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Not a fan of image galleries; they could easily be added as relevant under § History IMO.
I converted the gallery to a Multiple image template and placed it in the "History" section.--Gen. Quon_[Talk] 14:12, 5 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Looks good! ツ LunaEatsTuna (💬)— 22:37, 5 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Recommend adding template:Use X English
Done. (I'm American, so I used "American English", but I could see a reasonable case being made for the switch to British English.)--Gen. Quon_[Talk] 14:12, 5 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Recommend adding template:Use mdy dates (or your preferred date format).
Done.--Gen. Quon_[Talk] 14:12, 5 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]

References

Good to go—passes spotcheck on refs 7, 8, 16, 23 and 27.

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Did you know nomination

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The result was: promoted by Bruxton (talk) 17:12, 30 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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Restored Abgig Obelisk

... that the Abgig obelisk was erected in the 20th century BC by pharaoh Senusret I? Source: Enmarch, Roland (2013). "The Traces of the Inscription on the Abgig Monument of Senwosret I". In Frood, E.; McDonald, A. (eds.). Decorum and Experience: Essays in Ancient Culture for John Baines. Oxford, UK: Griffith Institute. pp. 21–25. ISBN 9780900416927. Page 21 , Zecchi, Marco (2008). "The Monument of Abgig". Studien zur Altägyptischen Kultur. 37: 373–386. JSTOR 27751356. Retrieved March 14, 2023. Page 373
- ALT1: ... that when first erected, the Abgig obelisk likely stood at 12.9 metres (42.3 ft) high, but was "knocked down on the ground [and] broke[n] into two pieces"? Source: Zecchi, Marco (2008). "The Monument of Abgig". Studien zur Altägyptischen Kultur. 37: 373–386. JSTOR 27751356. Retrieved March 14, 2023. Page 375 , Caristie, Philippe Joseph Marie (1818). "Description de l'obélisque de Begyg, auprès de l'ancienne Crocodilopolis". In Commission des Sciences et des Arts (ed.). Description de l'Égypte (in French). Vol. II: Antiquités, Descriptions. Paris, France: Imprimerie Royale. pp. 43–45. doi:10.11588/diglit.4811#0334. Page 43
- Reviewed: Template:Did you know nominations/Liang Tingnan

Improved to Good Article status by LunaEatsTuna (talk) and Gen. Quon (talk). Nominated by Onegreatjoke (talk) at 18:31, 8 May 2023 (UTC). Post-promotion hook changes for this nom will be logged at Template talk:Did you know nominations/Abgig obelisk; consider watching this nomination, if it is successful, until the hook appears on the Main Page.[reply]

Recent GA, well written and referenced; AGF on offline/subscription sources. Hooks are interesting, ALT1 more so, IMO. Image is in the article, and appropriately licensed. QPQ done. Good to go. Constantine ✍ 05:48, 21 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]