Talk:1977 Washington, D.C., attack and hostage taking

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A fact from this article was featured on Wikipedia's Main Page in the On this day section on March 9, 2017.

Most of what's in the Hamaas Khaalis article is in this one, and there's probably not enough more notable info about him to expand that article into something encyclopedic. —KCinDC (talk) 20:33, 3 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

I agree. In the absence of any other comments in the two months since the merge tag was applied, I've gone ahead and merged the articles. Any opposing views welcome - let's discuss here and see if a consensus can be obtained. Euryalus (talk) 05:54, 9 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

What is not mentioned is that Hamaas Khaalis is the same person who converted Lou Alcindor, now Kareeem Abdul Jabbar. Also, the children that were killed were brutally murdered...the babies were drowned in the sink, and the house was actually Abdul Jabbar's house. There is also a belief that the police fired the shots that killed the reporter and the police officer, this may have been a friendly fire incident.71.111.192.228 (talk) 03:45, 11 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]

NOTE: It is not at all clear from the article, at which of the buildings was Khaalis himself present. Clarifying his location and activities would be nice. 98.234.93.251 (talk) —Preceding undated comment added 02:15, 24 October 2010 (UTC).[reply]

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Here's the Internet Archive capture of the page:

https://web.archive.org/web/20070430050110/http://mediaguidetoislam.sfsu.edu/intheus/10_timeline.htm

There isn't really much there:

1968

The Hanafi Movement is founded by Hamas Abdul Khaalis. The Hanafi Madh-hab Center is established in New York, but later moved to Washington, D.C. In 1977, Khaalis and some of his followers seize control of three District of Columbia buildings, holding hostages for more than 30 hours. One man is killed. Khaalis is serving a sentence of 41 to 120 years in prison.

The site doesn't even mention the siege.

This might be a better source of for explaining Hanafi Islam:

http://www.globalsecurity.org/military/intro/islam-hanafi.htm

Although this source says they held 134 hostages. Ileanadu (talk) 16:24, 6 September 2016 (UTC)[reply]

I was confused about this story as well and started some articles to help bring clarification to what actually was going on. There is now 1973 Hanafi Muslim massacre, 7700 16th Street NW, Hamaas Abdul Khaalis and a few more to help explain the entire situation better.MeropeRiddle (talk) 02:35, 20 March 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Article begins by saying that a radio reporter was killed. Next paragraph says "one of those killed", but so far as the reader knows, only one was killed. Please fix.209.6.52.106 (talk) 14:13, 4 January 2016 (UTC)[reply]

The introduction says that 3 buildings were seized in DC by 12 gunmen led by Hamaas Khaalis "who had broken from the Nation of Islam because he blamed them for murder."

I assume "he" is Khaalis, but is "them" the Nation of Islam? The intro leaves one with more questions than answers. Did he break away because of the murders, or was the seizure of the buildings related to his grievances against the Nation of Islam?

Shouldn't it read along the lines of:

On March 9–11, 1977, three buildings in Washington, D.C., the District Building (the city hall; now called the John A. Wilson Building), the B'nai B'rith headquarters, and the Islamic Center of Washington, were seized by 12 Muslim gunmen, led by Hamaas Abdul Khaalis, a former member and critic of the Nation of Islam who had founded a Hanafi movement in the United States. The gunmen made demands relating to an upcoming film depicting the Prophet Muhammed and and sought the turnover of individuals serving time for the murder of members of Khaalis' family - the Hanafi murders.

The gunmen took 149 hostages and shot three individuals, two of whom died. After a 39-hour standoff and the intervention of three Muslim ambassadors, the gunmen surrendered and all remaining hostages were released.

Everything else involves details that should form the bulk of the article itself. Thoughts? Ileanadu (talk) 22:30, 5 September 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Ileanadu (talk) 22:30, 5 September 2016 (UTC)[reply]

The "See also" section had this entry

• List of journalists killed in the United States

An editor is wanting to add these:

• 1973 New York City hostage incident
• Black Mafia
• Major Coxson
• Zebra murders

and I'm not clear on what the connection is. Having read this article and the Zebra murders article... they were opposite sides of the continent. None of the same people were involved. I'm not seeing a similar motivation. It wasn't the same type of activity (one a hostage situation, the other a series of murders). So what's the connection?

I haven't looked at the other ones, but we can start with this one. The additions have been reverted per WP:BRD and the editor is invited to come here and make his case for Zebra murders and the other additions. Herostratus (talk) 00:50, 20 March 2017 (UTC)[reply]

The 1977 Hanafi Siege happened because of the 1973 Hanafi Muslim massacre. People from the Nation of Islam killed NOI defectors, and Khaalis, the main defector, had just send letters to 57 ministers and the media revealing some embarrassing information about Elijah Muhammad's misdeeds and about the founder of Isalm Wallace_Fard_Muhammad revealing what Khaalis believed was Fard's true identity and that he had raped a child and served time in prison,

• The 1973 New York City hostage incident took place specifically because of the 1973 Hanafi Muslim massacre: "The defense contended that the four men held up the store in January because they feared attacks by their rivals, the Black Muslims because the day before the robbery, seven Sunni Muslims were killed in a house in Washington the massacre took place by members of the black mafia, and these people thought they needed more weapons to protect themselves."

• The people involved in the Hanafi Muslim murder were also involved in the Coxson murder.

• The Death Angels were all members of the Nation of Islam - People that are interested in learning about organized crime that took place from within the Nation of Islam, would be interested in the Death Angels/Zebra murder, probably would also be interested in a number of other scattered articles as well.

• an overarching theme of domestic terrorism/african-american organized crime i.e. Black_Mafia and throught he guise of the Nation of Islam

If you are interested... Chauncey Bailey was going to write about Your Black Muslim Bakery and was assassinated.

Maybe it would be better to use a template or to have a portal for African-American Organized crime. I'm not referring to all/any crime, more specific to organized crime, i.e. BLack Mafia/Philidephia Black Mafia, Death Angels etc. There are many scattered articles, and it would make sense to have a spot that allows people to navigate through the information better.

I'm not sure how the format of my reply will look, so apologies in advance if it needs correctingMeropeRiddle (talk) 02:23, 20 March 2017 (UTC)[reply]

OK. This seems cogent. On that basis I've restored the links. Thanks. Herostratus (talk) 18:00, 20 March 2017 (UTC)[reply]

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I am removing the links from this article that lead to the article on the Hanafi madhhab (one of the traditional schools of fiqh). This is not the same as the Hanafi group behind this attack (described in the Marion Barry article as "a breakaway sect of the Nation of Islam"). Perhaps the splinter group deserves its own article (looks like not, there seems to be little information on it) but for the time being, no link is better than a bad link.