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This is an archive of the Food & Drink WikiProject talk page for January - February 2009

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The article Belarusian cuisine was created three years ago, on 1 January 2006, by User:Alies' Biely, who did not provide any sources for the content, although it looked like a straightforward cut and paste job. The content remained essentially unchanged over time, except for wikifying the format, adding pix, and making some substantive changes very recently. As of today, there is not a single reference in this fairly long article. When I started reading through the article, I came across terms that could not be verified (e.g., poliuka, kamy, pauguski). On the other hand, I did not see in the article names of standard Belarusian dishes that are listed on any Belarusian cooking web site (in English or Russian). This leads me to suspect the validity of the entire article. Any comments or suggestions from the food experts on what to do? --Zlerman (talk) 04:28, 4 January 2009 (UTC)

A lot: write to the major editor(s) on the article, write to WikiProject Belarus, write to the Belarus Wikipedia, etc. etc. Go to the horse's mouth, like anything else in life, and you'll get the best feedback. Badagnani (talk) 07:18, 4 January 2009 (UTC)

The Bamm-Bamm Rubble article was wrongly tagged with the food and drink template, I reverted it. I hope it's not a mistake on my part. --Crackthewhip775 (talk) 05:30, 6 January 2009 (UTC)

the reason was that it is associated with Category:Cereal advertising characters, which shouldn't be associated with food. --Jeremy ( Blah blah...) 05:45, 6 January 2009 (UTC)

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I would like the author of the Wheat Germ Oil entry to check whether it is correct to say that wheat germ oil contains the fatty acids with the percentage composition shown in the table. Many vegetable oils consist of mixtures of esters of fatty acids (triglycerides), with low concentrations of the acids themselves. Is this also the case with wheat germ oil, and is the listing of 'fatty acids' per se therefore an error ? I suspect that it is, and that the table is misleading and should be corrected. I suspect also that this type of error will be found in many Wikipedia entries on food oils and fats, and that a radical review of these entries should be made to remove such errors systematically. For example the entry on Olive Oil contains the following statement under 'Composition' - 'Olive oil is composed mainly of oleic acid and palmitic acid and other fatty acids', and a table claims that 80% of olive oil is oleic acid. These statements are absolutely incorrect; the latter is a garbalised version of the correct statement that in olive oil 'nearly 80% of the acid esterified is oleic acid' (Organic Chemistry, B.J. Stokes, 2nd ed., Edward Arnold, London, 1961, p277). The Wikipedia entry on Linseed Oil contains a table which includes a similar error. I have not checked other Wikipedia entries on food oils and fats, but it is likely that many of them contain errors of this kind, and the entire collection of entries is probably unreliable. Andrew Smith —Preceding unsigned comment added by 82.32.50.77 (talk) 09:18, 8 January 2009 (UTC)

Andrew, you seem very knowledgeable about the subject, and we could really use you to help out. May I suggest that you sign up with an account and edit the article yourself? We can gladly provide assistance as needed for issues such as structure, linking and citing the wiki-way. --Jeremy ( Blah blah...) 11:29, 10 January 2009 (UTC)

Hi Jeremy - thank you for your comment. Unfortunately I am not qualified to undertake this task. I am a humble electrical engineer who happens to have done some research on the dielectric properties of oils, and therefore know something about the composition and chemistry of a limited range of substances. I feel that it is primarily the onus of individual authors to see to the accuracy of their writings - the responsibility for accuracy lies with them. The authority I have quoted is an antique A Level school text, studied by 16-18yr olds in the UK; that is the level of chemistry involved. Andrew Smith. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 82.32.50.77 (talk) 15:15, 10 January 2009 (UTC)

I want to add a dietary/product information section to beer articles and brewery articles in regards to their beer range detailing such aspects as vegetarian and coeliac suitability etc. My proposal has faced some considerable opposition by those who consider the information irrelevant. I am trying to canvass opinion to gauge the strength of support my suggestion has. I have laid out my propsal here and would welcome any opinions: Dietary information section on beer/brewery articles

Thanks to anyone who takes a look.Betty Logan (talk) 14:21, 8 January 2009 (UTC)

My father always called white potatoes 'irish' potatoes to differentiate them from sweet potatoes. Does anyone know from where this term originated? ```` —Preceding unsigned comment added by Wallenfox (talk • contribs) 23:35, 11 January 2009 (UTC)

You can try looking here [1]. There's a search box on the right and you can check out different pages and see if it covers the names you're looking for. Report back and let us know. :) What about tater tots? ChildofMidnight (talk) 02:38, 12 January 2009 (UTC)

Hi all. I was writing to ask that some of the more experienced people go look at the MSG page again. A fellow new editor tried to insert a pretty balanced statement but was harshly attacked. Admittedly, him and I started defending pretty viciously too (me more than him). I have promised to back down and learn the rules. I must admit that from all this mud-slinging my reputation is pretty weak and I need to back off no matter what happens. I am not asking for anyone to agree with me, just to look over the health section of the article critically and see what you think. At this point the article still seems pretty incomplete. I am not advocating the position that it IS harmful or IS NOT harmful--just that there are two sides to the issue and both have research in peer-reviewed journals to back up their points. Unfortunately, right now it seems pretty one-sided--when we can get any health information included at all, it doesn't seem neutral at all. Thank you for your consideration.FFN001 (talk) 14:30, 12 January 2009 (UTC)

I'm not sure if an article needs to be reevaluated every time there is a content dispute. This request seems like a sideways way to try and get more people to join in on the debate, while biasing people by stating your side of things before they get to see the evidence for themselves. [Redacted -- I should follow my own advice!] JazzMan 19:38, 12 January 2009 (UTC)

That seems a bit harsh. Asking for input isn't a bad thing. A request without the inclusion of the editor's own take might have been preferrable, but I don't see anything too unseemly here and I don't think we should jump on those seeking input. The food bunch seem to be rather independent minded, so I'm sure they will be candid with their individual opinions. ChildofMidnight (talk) 20:49, 12 January 2009 (UTC)

You are probably right. I was too quick to add my own biasing opinion; I should have taken my own advice and let people read the entire discussion before deciding FFN001's motives :-/ JazzMan 21:17, 12 January 2009 (UTC)

The template of WikiProject Food and drink was automatically added to Alpine Club (UK) by TinucherianBot on 2 July 2008. This inclusion seems inappropriate to me (and to User:80.177.213.144 per post at Talk:Alpine_Club_(UK).) -- 201.37.230.43 (talk) 00:55, 14 January 2009 (UTC)

I removed the tag. ChildofMidnight (talk) 02:19, 14 January 2009 (UTC)

List of Chinese inventions and Fork have two different answers. The “List of Chinese inventions” states that the Chinese invented the fork. While on the “Fork” page, it states that the Japanese invented the fork. I am not able to verify the claim. Thanks, Marasama (talk) 23:14, 19 January 2009 (UTC)

• This question is copied to the following sections:
  • Wikipedia:WikiProject China
  • Wikipedia:WikiProject Food and drink
  • Wikipedia:WikiProject Japan

is any of the food cluten fee —Preceding unsigned comment added by 123.211.249.11 (talk) 23:23, 21 January 2009 (UTC)

Hi. This article was automatically tagged as part of the food and drink project - I believe this is incorrect. I'm guessign it was tagged because fo the 'Soy products' category but, in this case, I don't believe it's appropriate as the article is about a method of measuring protein content and not about an actual foodstuff. I've therefore removed the project tags from the talk page. CultureDrone (talk) 08:53, 23 January 2009 (UTC)

I've been bothered for a while about the separation of candy and confectionery. As far as I can tell from googling and the definition in dictionaries, the former is merely a more colloquial form of the latter. There are some pretty determined attempts to stress the uniqueness of the term "candy" in the wording of candy and in various merge discussions, but I don't see any support for it in the form of concrete evidence.

Sweets, sweetmeats and lollies (all terms that are more common outside of North America) are already redirected to confectionery, so I don't see why candy should be treated differently. Your thoughts?

Peter ^Isotalo 08:50, 27 January 2009 (UTC)

Maybe we can merge those and have the candies article (now moved to list of candies) moved to candy. Obviously an article about candies would be good to have and people should be able to find this information. ChildofMidnight (talk) 17:06, 27 January 2009 (UTC)

Merging the information to confectionery sounds like the best solution. That would be the main article on candy/sweets/lollies/etc and would be the most NPOV-compatible solution. A listing of various types of confectionery would most be most appropriate at list of confectionery.

Peter ^Isotalo 07:19, 29 January 2009 (UTC)

Pizza-ghetti has been sent to WP:PROD for deletion. 76.66.196.229 (talk) 05:50, 29 January 2009 (UTC)

Someone else has since added refs and removed the notice. Thanks for the heads up! JazzMan 19:00, 29 January 2009 (UTC)

I have nominated Black pepper for a featured article review here. Please join the discussion on whether this article meets featured article criteria. Articles are typically reviewed for two weeks. If substantial concerns are not addressed during the review period, the article will be moved to the Featured Article Removal Candidates list for a further period, where editors may declare "Keep" or "Remove" the article's featured status. The instructions for the review process are here. WhiteArcticWolf (talk) 22:15, 29 January 2009 (UTC)

Will someone please do some research on this?? Root beer is NOT the same as sarsaparilla! The former is made with sassafras, whereas the latter is made with... you guessed it, sarsaparilla. They are completely different plants, and completely different beverages. Yet, there seems to be a great deal of confusion between the two... quite saddening, really. No one knows the difference between them any more. Oh, and did I mention that they taste quite different?Fuzzform (talk) 08:55, 2 February 2009 (UTC)

The little curiosity called Pizza-ghetti has been listed for deletion here. Please participate in the discussion. --Zlerman (talk) 15:08, 5 February 2009 (UTC)

Again? --Jeremy ( Blah blah...) 19:36, 5 February 2009 (UTC)

• The discussion was closed on 11 February 2009: the result was keep. --Zlerman (talk) 06:50, 11 February 2009 (UTC)

An editor at Pomelo would like to include a pun on the Japanese word for Pomelo (related to a Dragon Ball Z character) in the article. This has been removed before by other editors. Please provide a 3rd opinion: Talk:Pomelo#Zarbon. Thank you. NJGW (talk) 04:03, 10 February 2009 (UTC)

I have nominated Paleolithic diet for a featured article review here. Please join the discussion on whether this article meets featured article criteria. Articles are typically reviewed for two weeks. If substantial concerns are not addressed during the review period, the article will be moved to the Featured Article Removal Candidates list for a further period, where editors may declare "Keep" or "Remove" the article's featured status. The instructions for the review process are here.

My concerns are with the medical aspects of the page as per the talk page.--Doc James (talk · contribs · email) 03:58, 11 February 2009 (UTC)

I was wondering if this project would be happy to have food-related videogames tagged with the project's template? Specifically Chocolatier (video game) and Cooking Mama, but also looking at games less directly related like BurgerTime (and clones), Pizza Frenzy and Fast Food Dizzy. It would be good to know one way or the other since food and drink has become a very large theme in the casual sector and there's potentially a lot of articles which would prompt the same question. Thanks. Someoneanother 04:41, 13 February 2009 (UTC)

This issue has been addressed when the tagging was done. The problem was that items that were not food were categorized as being food, such as video games, even those about food. Please just remove the tag. --Jeremy ( Blah blah...) 06:27, 13 February 2009 (UTC)

When what tagging was done? None of them have been tagged before unless I missed a talk-page edit and I haven't added any tags since I wanted to ask first. I'm taking that as a no, thanks for replying. Someoneanother 06:57, 13 February 2009 (UTC)

Please help deorphan this. Chris (クリス • フィッチュ) (talk) 05:32, 16 February 2009 (UTC)

An editor has asked for a deletion review of Category:Fad diet. Since you closed the deletion discussion for this page, speedy-deleted it, or otherwise were interested in the page, you might want to participate in the deletion review. Xasodfuih (talk) 09:14, 23 February 2009 (UTC)

It seems to be rather short sided to put one person's negative opinion in the Bacon Explosion article when millions across the web have embraced and loved the recipe.

I believe what the above comment refers to is the opinion about the taste of the (frankly disgusting) Bacon Explosion, found at the bottom of the article from the unnamed, non-notable "Headless Blogger." I have removed it for being subjective and unencyclopedic. :) Intothewoods29 (talk) 21:09, 23 February 2009 (UTC)

have at it. Casliber (talk · contribs) 20:03, 27 February 2009 (UTC)

The article Pretzel, one under the auspices of this WikiProject, is currently the subject of some dispute. I invite members of this project to please view the history of the article and the recent changes that were made, and then to join the discussion of the current format on the talk page. Thank you! KV5 • Squawk box • Fight on! 20:49, 27 February 2009 (UTC)

I also invite other Food and drink project menbers to take a look and participate with a third oppinion.

Warrington (talk) 23:00, 27 February 2009 (UTC)

Will food and drinks be served? Pretzels? I posted a more general question about timelines in general at the Village Pump. I think it's an interesting issue and must have been raised in the past. ChildofMidnight (talk) 00:46, 28 February 2009 (UTC)