Wikipedia:Requests for permissions/Page mover

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• KingSkyLord (t · th · c ^{(RM/TR · RMs)} · del · cross-wiki · SUL · edit counter · pages created (xtools · sigma) · non-automated edits · BLP edits · undos · manual reverts · rollbacks · logs ^{(blocks · rights · moves)} · CSD log · rfar · spi · cci) (assign permissions)^(notify)

I have been editing for over 7 years and I plan on using this permission in order to help with discussions on WP:RM and deal with cross-redirects for articles that should have more disambiguated titles. KingSkyLord (talk | contribs) 12:46, 2 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

• OnlyNano (requesting New page reviewer, Page mover) (t · th · c ^{(RM/TR · RMs)} · del · cross-wiki · SUL · edit counter · pages created (xtools · sigma) · non-automated edits · BLP edits · undos · manual reverts · rollbacks · logs ^{(blocks · rights · moves)} · CSD log · rfar · spi · cci) (assign permissions)^(notify)

I am an active AfC reviewer, and I frequently move pages, either from userspace to draftspace, or publishing articles. My request for this privilege comes from my anti-vandalism work (which I am highly involved in). I notice several sleeper accounts, in their early stages, however I am unable to effectively take action with move vandalism in a productive manner. OnlyNano^talk 15:20, 28 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@OnlyNano: have you come across much pagemove vandalism that you were unable to reverse? You should be able to revert moves, so long as the redirect page hasn't been edited since the move. Elli (talk | contribs) 15:45, 28 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

From just using anti-vandalism tools (as in just having a lot of experience with anti-vandalism, the tools themselves don't have built in sleeper detection, haha), I can almost tell which accounts end up being sleepers for various purposes. However, I haven't really tracked any users that I suspect, due to me not knowing it is possible to circumvent the need for this privilege for my purpose. OnlyNano^talk 16:03, 28 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@OnlyNano: I'm not really sure how having this permission would help you much with your anti-vandal work. I don't think pagemove vandalism is that common so most of those sleepers you might find probably wouldn't be planning on it anyway? You're right on the borderline for getting the permission granted in terms of tenure and edits, but you don't really engage in many pagemoves so I'm inclined to not grant it at this point. If you start doing WP:NPP (and draftifying articles) or start participating in RMs more, I'd probably grant the permission at that point as I don't see any red flags, though. Elli (talk | contribs) 16:21, 28 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

That sounds good, thanks. I think this has been helpful, and I will make an effort to monitor those accounts more, and re-assess if this privilege would be something I would be using (aside from the standard privileges) frequently enough to warrent the granting of this privilage. I have been looking into getting into doing NPP, however, I think it's best I put a pause on this request, especially with this new information. I plan to come back if I do decide to participate in NPP, and/or I find that these accounts I am referencing are in fact, motivated with page-move vandalism in mind. Thank you very much for all your help today! OnlyNano^talk 16:30, 28 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Alright, then marking this as  Not done. Feel free to reapply if/when you have more of a use for the permission. Elli (talk | contribs) 16:34, 28 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Perfect, thanks! OnlyNano^talk 16:37, 28 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

• Remsense (t · th · c ^{(RM/TR · RMs)} · del · cross-wiki · SUL · edit counter · pages created (xtools · sigma) · non-automated edits · BLP edits · undos · manual reverts · rollbacks · logs ^{(blocks · rights · moves)} · CSD log · rfar · spi · cci) (assign permissions)^(notify)

Was granted page mover for a few months; now requesting it to be extended as the expiry date is coming up. I admit in the interim I earned a 24h block for a 3RR violation that I had to learn from, so I understand if that's a reason it would be appropriate to decline this. Remsense诉 19:17, 28 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

 Automated comment This user was granted temporary page mover rights by Primefac (expires 00:00, 7 August 2024 (UTC)). — MusikBot ^talk 19:20, 28 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@Remsense: So, there are two blocks here, both for warring at Russian Civil War. Can you explain what was problematic about your behavior in those cases, and how you'll avoid that going forwards? Elli (talk | contribs) 19:43, 28 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Sure. The first was my fault in an uncomplicated way: I thought I was in the right because of content guidelines, but was negligent as to the spirit of 3RR as a behavioral guideline, in that I was ultimately being disruptive by perpetuating further cycles of reverts even if I was enforcing consensus, as it were.

The second is a tad more nuanced, though still a learning experience: I thought there was an explicit guideline that the content under discussion during an RfC should not be altered from when the RfC began. While I didn't violate the letter of 3RR here, if I realized there was no such guideline, I wouldn't have engaged in any reversions myself. When I explained this error to the blocking admin, the block was lifted. Like I said, still a learning experience. To sum up, I've had to do better over the past few months not letting bad-faith and gray-faith editors use me as an "amplifier" for disruption in the moment.

If you have any more questions, please let me know? Remsense诉 19:50, 28 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

 Done Elli (talk | contribs) 20:09, 28 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Thank you, esp. for taking me in good faith here. Remsense诉 20:11, 28 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

• ToadetteEdit (t · th · c ^{(RM/TR · RMs)} · del · cross-wiki · SUL · edit counter · pages created (xtools · sigma) · non-automated edits · BLP edits · undos · manual reverts · rollbacks · logs ^{(blocks · rights · moves)} · CSD log · rfar · spi · cci) (assign permissions)^(notify)

Reason for requesting page mover rights: I want to have my page mover rights extended, as I contribute to RM/TR. Was given 3mo trial and it will end on August 20. Toadette^Edit! 08:30, 29 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

 Automated comment This user was granted temporary page mover rights by Robertsky (expires 00:00, 20 August 2024 (UTC)). — MusikBot ^talk 08:40, 29 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

• PadFoot2008 (t · th · c ^{(RM/TR · RMs)} · del · cross-wiki · SUL · edit counter · pages created (xtools · sigma) · non-automated edits · BLP edits · undos · manual reverts · rollbacks · logs ^{(blocks · rights · moves)} · CSD log · rfar · spi · cci) (assign permissions)^(notify)

I was granted pagemover rights nearly a month back, but due to mistakes on my part, the rights have been now revoked. So, I am requesting the rights again on Primefac's advice, explaining why I made the mistakes and how I shall avoid those mistakes going forward.

• On 5 July, Liz told me at my talk page about the terrible quality of my page swap on Polish–Russian War (1609–1618) which I had moved after closing an an RM discussion in the talk page, and that I had left a dozen broken redirects that she had to clean up. This mistake was due to my inexperience, as it was my first page swap. Following that, SilverLocust recommended me User:Ahecht/Scripts/pageswap to prevent such issues, which I have been using ever since, and there have not been any more such errors.

• On 8 July, SilverLocust informed me about MOS:DUALNATIONALITIES after I moved Polish–Russian War of 1792 to Polish-Russian War of 1792. I was not aware of MOS:DUALNATIONALITIES at that time, and since then I've taken up the task to fix other article titles violating it as well. I had been aware of and had read the WP:Article title policy, but I had not completely read through the WP:MOS at that time. I've completely familiarised myself with the guideline now and hence hope to minimise mistakes I might make relating to that.

• On 30 July, I moved British Indian Army to Indian Army (1895–1947) after which Celia Homeford informed me that the move had been unilateral, following which I immediately proceeded to check the talk page of the article for previous RMs, which I did find and had resulted in the move of Indian Army (1895–1947) to British Indian Army. I hadn't checked the talk page before swapping the page and thus had not been aware of this RM when I had swapped — a mistake on my part. I had checked the WP:COMMONNAME of the article and sought to make the article title WP:Consistent with other historical army related articles like German Army (1935–1945) for instance. I should've checked the talk page and it's archives for any previous RMs and discussions before making the swap. That is what I usually do before making a move or a swap, but this step had slipped my mind in this case. In future, I shall make sure to always check the talk page and the archives for RMs and discussions regarding the article title without fail before making a move or a swap.

I've learnt from my mistakes and hope not to repeat them. I also aim to minimise any chance of any other maitakes on my part. PadFoot (talk) 17:56, 30 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

 Automated comment This user has had this permission revoked in the past 180 days ([1]). — MusikBot ^talk 18:00, 30 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]