Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2024 October 28

This is a list of redirects that have been proposed for deletion or other action on October 28, 2024.

• Universe (artwork) → Universe  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ] 

(NPP action) Categorized as 1960 in art, Found object, and Fluxus. Someone from the Fluxus art movement might have actually described the universe as a found object in 1960, but there's no mention of this at the target. See also Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2024 October 21 § God (artwork), a similar redirect created by the same editor. jlwoodwa (talk) 23:47, 28 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

• Delete. Garbage/inapplicable disambiguator referring to its current target. Steel1943 (talk) 04:13, 29 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

  Yep. Steel1943 (talk) 15:37, 29 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

• Retarget to Universe (disambiguation)#Arts, media and entertainment per the consensus at the linked RfD which found that musical works are plausible targets for an "(artwork)" disambiguator. The found artwork is mentioned there (although the year 1960 isn't). Thryduulf (talk) 13:50, 29 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
• Retarget per Thryduulf. - Presidentman talk · contribs (Talkback) 14:32, 29 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

• Wokot → Godot (game engine)  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ] 

(NPP action) Not mentioned at target. Appears to be a pejorative portmanteau of "woke" and "Godot", coined as part of some recent controversy. I couldn't find any coverage of this term in reliable sources. jlwoodwa (talk) 23:20, 28 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

At present, the relevant content is reported to a certain extent outside the English-speaking world.[1][2] 甜甜圈真好吃 (talk) 23:57, 28 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Delete. Can't find any coverage by RSes and of highly questionable lasting relevance. Also extremely doubtful that a user would know the perjorative but not the actual name.  novov talk edits 09:03, 29 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

• Delete According to Know Your Meme, the term comes from a social media controversy, no actual RS coverage. मल्ल (talk) 15:09, 29 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Delete if not speedy delete per WP:G10 TeapotsOfDoom (talk) 18:56, 30 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

• Jealousy definitions → Jealousy  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ] 

This is no more useful than a Facts about [insert topic here] page. The target page already includes a link to the word's Wiktionary entry. – MrPersonHumanGuy (talk) 21:28, 28 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

• Keep as a valid {{R with history}}. Title is plausible enough for keeping as a redirect. Perhaps it's a bit redundant, but I don't see why it should be deleted. CycloneYoris ^talk! 01:32, 29 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
• Keep per CycloneYoris. Someone will find what they are looking for at the target or at the Wiktionary entry linked from the target. Thryduulf (talk) 13:52, 29 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
• Keep but move to Jealousy (emotion) without leaving a redirect so that it can make more sense as a redirect. ᴢxᴄᴠʙɴᴍ (ᴛ) 16:10, 29 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
• Move without redirect to Jealousy (emotion) to keep the edit history, but to get rid of the search term that sounds like a WP:DICDEF issue that I'd be avocation for deletion otherwise. Steel1943 (talk) 21:10, 29 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

• Nintendo Twilight → Nintendo DSi  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ] 

Not mentioned at target article, doesn't appear relevant LR.127 (talk) 20:38, 28 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

• Mormons Losing Money → Multi-level marketing  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ] 

Implausible redirect LR.127 (talk) 20:14, 28 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

• Delete. While there is scientific research pointing to disproportionate involvement of Mormon women in MLM (cf. Whitehead, Deborah (2023-01-01). "Startup Culture: MLMs, Mormons, and Entrepreneurship". Mormon Studies Review. 10. University of Illinois Press: 31–41. doi:10.5406/21568030.10.04. ISSN 2156-8022.), this redirect appears to be derogatory and carries no benefits for encyclopedia: whoever is interested in Mormons and MLM would not type this phrase into a search engine. Викидим (talk) 20:47, 28 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
• Weak Delete: The user who created the redirect (@Someone who's wrong on the internet) has a history of creating inappropriate (sometimes humorous) joke redirects like ⩘⩗, 2b∣¬2b, and Talk:🚁. These fall under the "who would seriously try searching this on Wikipedia?" category. Do note that they have moved on from creating these and make a lot of constructive edits. Sirocco745 (talk) 04:46, 29 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
• Keep (in the interests of transparency, I probably would not have watched the redirect had it not been mentioned on Discord). I do not believe this meets WP:RDELETE #3 or #8, as such I do not believe there is an argument for deletion rooted in our policies and guidelines. First of all I believe it's arguable that it's derogatory (I'd call it critical myself, but I don't really consider any joke at all derogation), but the threshold for #3, offensive or abusive would need to be more direct than even derogatory to be met. As for plausibility, besides the scholarly article cited above, it is mentioned by a number of NEWSORGs, such as The Nation, Slate, Business Insider, Mother Jones, Fortune, which calls it an old joke, The Salt Lake Tribune, which calls it well-documented and Rolling Stone (most common bastardization) (plus Salon, but there's no consensus for their reliability). Also a 2015 book. I hope the number of RS that have used it is able to convince you that this is a well-attested term, LR.127. I believe this is an WP:RKEEP #3 (it's plausible someone not familiar with the term might hear it, and not know what it refers to), it is neither novel nor particularly obscure, and well within the standards set by WP:RNEUTRAL. Alpha3031 (t • c) 05:06, 29 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

  Unless the person searching already understands the insult, they will not obtain any information about it in the article. So I still fail to see the utility of the redirect (how does it improve the encyclopedia?). Викидим (talk) 05:21, 29 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

  "I don't see the use of it" is not a listed reason to delete a redirect. #8 clearly indicates that both parts (novel or very obscure, not mentioned) need to be met, and the term is neither novel nor obscure. A reader would be informed that the title they tried to go to is an alternate name for the article they were taken to, and (while this is not the forum to discuss article content) the normal way to deal with an {{r without mention}} (other than tagging with a more specific rcat) is to add a mention, to a relevant place, for example, immediately after where the article discusses how common it is in Utah in § United States. Alpha3031 (t • c) 05:42, 29 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

  The context you've provided does give some credibility to the redirect's existence. Regardless, I can't decide if it's a worthwhile redirect, so I'm going to change my delete to weak because of that. Sirocco745 (talk) 05:27, 29 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

• Delete as very seriously implausible. 𝔏𝔲𝔫𝔞𝔪𝔞𝔫𝔫🌙🌙🌙 𝔗𝔥𝔢 𝔐𝔬𝔬𝔬𝔬𝔬𝔫𝔦𝔢𝔰𝔱 (talk) 05:26, 29 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
• Keep. Alpha301 has explained exactly why this is a highly plausible and useful search term. Adding a sentence at Multi-level marketing#United States and refining it to point there would seem to be even more helpful but without the specific mention the top of the article is most useful. Thryduulf (talk) 13:56, 29 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
• Keep Noted in RS as a commonly used parody of the acronym, and not insulting enough to delete outright. ᴢxᴄᴠʙɴᴍ (ᴛ) 16:14, 29 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
• Delete, not mentioned at the target, plain and simple. Outside use of the term is irrelevant, since we have no encyclopedic content about it. 35.139.154.158 (talk) 21:27, 29 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

• 4-aminopurine → 4-Aminopyridine  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ] 

4-Aminopurine and 4-aminopyridine are different chemical compounds and "4-aminopurine" is not mentioned at 4-Aminopyridine. Marbletan (talk) 19:57, 28 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

• delete See PubChem which shows they are completely different. Mangoe (talk) 21:28, 28 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
• Delete per the above. No content on enwiki about 4-aminopurine. Mdewman6 (talk) 07:31, 29 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

• Black Yoshi → Yoshi  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ] 

Anyone looking up "Black Yoshi" is going to want information specifically about Black Yoshi, but the article on Yoshi does not even include the word black. QuicoleJR (talk) 18:41, 28 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

• Delete as a vanity redirect. -1ctinus📝🗨 01:29, 29 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Delete, unmentioned at target. 𝔏𝔲𝔫𝔞𝔪𝔞𝔫𝔫🌙🌙🌙 𝔗𝔥𝔢 𝔐𝔬𝔬𝔬𝔬𝔬𝔫𝔦𝔢𝔰𝔱 (talk) 03:01, 29 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

• Falcoln → Falcon  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ] 

probably an implausible misspelling TeapotsOfDoom (talk) 18:17, 28 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

• Leaning keep. I get about a thousand Google Books hits and about 10,000 Newspapers.com hits, which suggests that it's not all that implausible as a misspelling. BD2412 T 20:17, 28 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

  Do you know if these are actual hits or are these OCR errors? -1ctinus📝🗨 01:30, 29 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

  The first three pages of Google books hits results (that I can see) are approximately equally misspellings of "Falcon" and uses of "Falcoln" that might or might not be errors (e.g. referring to a pub whose name might be either "Falcon" or "Falcoln"). There are some OCR errors but these are less frequent. Thryduulf (talk) 14:06, 29 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

• Comment Phonetically, it's more like Falcone (Italian for falcon), but misspellings in writing probably mostly refer to the bird itself I would assume. Mdewman6 (talk) 07:36, 29 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
• Keep per BD2412. There are also web hits (more commonly for Maltese Falcon or Millennium Falcon than the bird) that use this spelling error, so it's highly plausible. Thryduulf (talk) 14:06, 29 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
• Delete Implausible spelling error. ᴢxᴄᴠʙɴᴍ (ᴛ) 16:08, 29 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

• Mabe Village → The Legend of Zelda: Link's Awakening  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ] 

Not mentioned in target. QuicoleJR (talk) 18:14, 28 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

• Zelda: The Wand of Gannon → Link: The Faces of Evil and Zelda: The Wand of Gamelon  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ] 

his name was initially inconsistently spelled, with "gannon" having been used from 1 to alttp in japan, and only in 1 (and later zelda's adventure, but no one cares about that one) in not japan, so it was already out of the equation by the time the cd-i games were out. point is, getting two names mixed up and using an outdated spelling of that name doesn't seem that plausible cogsan _{talk page? contribs? it's yours, my friend} 13:20, 4 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Keep, plausible and unambiguous; deletion of this does not improve wikipedia BugGhost🦗👻 17:16, 4 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

• Delete. Apparently, "Gamelon" is a setting, not an alternative name for Ganon. For this reason, the redirect is erroneous and not a title match in any form or variation. Steel1943 (talk) 00:14, 6 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

  correct, gamelon is the place, ganon (which the game explicitly spells with only two ns) is the green guy cogsan _{(nag me) (stalk me)} 12:07, 8 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, CycloneYoris ^talk! 21:11, 11 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Very Weak Keep. I will point out that even though Gamelon and Ganon are not the same word, they DO start and end with the same letters. Given Gamelon only appears in this game, while Ganon is the name of the series' overarching antagonist(s), it's perhaps plausible to get the two confused-- "Okay, so the name is Wand of... something? Starts with a G, ends with N... oh, silly me, it's Ganon!"

However-- and this is a big however-- the addition of misspelling Ganon does reduce plausibility a little more-- however, I would like to point out that this is also an extremely common misspelling of Ganon's name, so perhaps it doesn't hurt plausibility as much as it first appears?

I won't fight too terribly hard if it's deemed that this combo is still too implausible to be considered. 𝔏𝔲𝔫𝔞𝔪𝔞𝔫𝔫🌙🌙🌙 𝔗𝔥𝔢 𝔐𝔬𝔬𝔬𝔬𝔬𝔫𝔦𝔢𝔰𝔱 (talk) 02:57, 12 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

• Delete Too many errors. * Pppery * _{it has begun...} 00:44, 13 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
• Slightly Weak Keep per Lunamann, plus the fact that while acknowledged as an error since, the original Zelda game does officially use the spelling "GANNON" with three Ns. This was unambiguously an error, but an official and published error. Someone could plausibly remember that it was an error from back in the day, and think it applied to this trainwreck of a terrible game. My !vote is a bit stronger than Lunamann's very weak keep because of this, but it's still slightly weak as I wouldn't feel the need to fight vigorously for keeping it. But I do think it's harmless, with an unambiguous target (even if in error), and WP:CHEAP. Fieari (talk) 23:31, 14 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
• Delete too many errors. "Gannon" misspelling has no affinity, this is not the original Zelda game, and we won't be having Gannon misspellings for every single future Zelda game just because it was a typo in only the manual of the original. Utopes _{(talk / cont)} 06:02, 19 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
• Delete Too implausible of a mistake. QuicoleJR (talk) 15:46, 28 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Relisting comment: Notified of this discussion at the target talk.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Jay 💬 18:12, 28 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

nah, i think 5 delete votes to a keep, a really weak keep, and a slightly less weak keep would have been enough cogsan _{(nag me) (stalk me)} 12:38, 29 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Discussions are based on the strength of arguments, not the strength of bolded !votes. As it happens, it is 3 to 5 numerically, but WP:NOTDEMOCRACY. You may be right in principle but I'd avoid making a comment like this if you're WP:INVOLVED. Utopes _{(talk / cont)} 14:04, 29 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

i'll also kind of disagree with that, since even the substantially weak keep vote that the less weak but still weak keep vote was based on argued that getting two names mixed up and misspelling said wrong name might not be all that plausible cogsan _{(nag me) (stalk me)} 14:21, 29 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

• Keep - I could reasonably see someone making both errors. Ganon being the main antagonist of the franchise (and of this game) and starting with the first two letters of Gamelon could potentially cause confusion, as well as Gannon being a typo the first game in the series itself made. (Oinkers42) (talk) 16:28, 29 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

  Problem there is then, a reader could search this redirect expecting the target to contain the subject at Ganon, which it does not. Steel1943 (talk) 22:07, 29 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

• Horse Grass → The Legend of Zelda: Twilight Princess#Link's horse  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ] 
• Horse grass → The Legend of Zelda: Twilight Princess#Link's horse  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ] 

Not mentioned in target. QuicoleJR (talk) 17:50, 28 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

• Comment both redirects have history as short articles about the item from the Zelda game Special:Permalink/22262945, Special:Permalink/22745977, the latter is implicitly sourced (to the trailer and a screenshot), the former is unsourced but contains nothing not in the latter. According to Google, this is a term in common use for varieties/mixtures of grasses that are good for horses to graze on (we don't seem to have content on that, but our content on types of grass seems to have been organised only with botanists in mind so I may have overlooked something). Additionally it is possibly a synonym for Horsetail, Alfalfa, Horse parsley ans possibly other plants. Horses and Grasses is an album but I don't think that's a good target. I'm honestly not sure what to recommend here. Thryduulf (talk) 14:24, 29 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
• Delete Overly vague, let the search function do its job rather than co-opting it. ᴢxᴄᴠʙɴᴍ (ᴛ) 16:06, 29 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

• Facecore → List of Star Fox characters  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ] 

Not mentioned in target. QuicoleJR (talk) 16:04, 28 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Weak delete. This redirect originally targeted Andross, before that article was merged into List of Star Fox characters. Andross frequently appears as a giant face, so the redirect could have made sense (a portmanteau of "face" and "hardcore"?). But since I can't find anything about the particular phrase "Facecore" (either in the two articles' history or on Google), I don't see a good reason to keep it. jlwoodwa (talk) 17:27, 28 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

• Delete Per nom. ᴢxᴄᴠʙɴᴍ (ᴛ) 16:07, 29 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
• Delete as a non-notable neologism unless someone can show its use somewhere. Fieari (talk) 23:59, 30 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

• Ruffian (Star Fox) → List of Star Fox characters  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ] 

Not mentioned in target. QuicoleJR (talk) 16:00, 28 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Weak delete – looking at the original revision (completely unsourced, never merged elsewhere AFAICT) and wikia:starfox:Ruffian, "Ruffian" seems to be a description of a number of unnamed minor characters, rather than a named character. I'm unsure whether this is worth mentioning at List of Star Fox characters, but I'm leaning towards no. jlwoodwa (talk) 17:46, 28 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

• Delete per nom. ᴢxᴄᴠʙɴᴍ (ᴛ) 16:07, 29 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

• Herbert the Android Pig → List of Star Fox characters  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ] 

Not mentioned in target. QuicoleJR (talk) 15:58, 28 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

• Fay Spaniel → List of Star Fox characters  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ] 

This character has no confirmed last name, and this isn't even the right dog breed. QuicoleJR (talk) 15:56, 28 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

• Delete Per nom. ᴢxᴄᴠʙɴᴍ (ᴛ) 16:06, 29 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

• Uppers (video game) → Marvelous (company)  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ] 

I am unsure this game is notable. But redirecting it to Marvelous when there is no information on the game there is not helpful at all to readers. I suggest deletion. ᴢxᴄᴠʙɴᴍ (ᴛ) 14:53, 28 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Weak keep. I had created this redirect because the text in Ai Kakuma was pointing to wrong Uppers. I have no opinion on notability of either Ai Kakuma, or the game (the independent notability of the latter is not necessary for the redirect to be justified), but the redirect is actually used (and the - wrong - wikilink existed prior to creation of this one). Marvelous article actually lists the game in the "PlayStation Vita" section. So WP:CHEAP seems to apply. Викидим (talk) 15:04, 28 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

You could just delete the Wikilink. If the game isn't notable, then there should be no link pointing to it. If the game IS notable, WP:REDLINK applies and links should not just be created for everything simply as a matter of course. ᴢxᴄᴠʙɴᴍ (ᴛ) 15:30, 28 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

As I have already stated, I have not created a new link in Ai Kakuma, the link existed, but pointed to a wrong target. I had simply fixed the target through a redirect. I was not (and am not) attempting to judge the notability of either the actress or the game. There was a broken link, I have fixed it. I have no objection to anyone re-fixing it in some other way (hopefully, this volunteer will also take a look at Ai Kakuma that is entirely just a list of links). Викидим (talk) 16:12, 28 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

• Keep - plausible search term. Sources like this make it easy to add a sourced mention at the redirect target. Sergecross73 msg me 17:59, 28 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

  If a mention was added, it would be WP:UNDUE for an article about the entire company. The point of the company article is not as a directory of their games. ᴢxᴄᴠʙɴᴍ (ᴛ) 14:45, 29 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

  The mention was there all the time. We had made this situation possible long time ago by allowing articles that look like lists. Personally, I do not think this arrangement to be very printed-encyclopedia-like, but if we want to change it, this is not the place. While this situation is accepted, however, nothing prevents non-notable games from being mentioned on our pages dedicated to the creators (cf. MOS:EMBED and MOS:WORKS, The individual items in the list do not have to be sufficiently notable to merit their own separate articles.). Thus, even adding an item would be in perfect alignment with our rules. Викидим (talk) 21:09, 29 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

• Greater Luxembourg → Greater Region of SaarLorLux  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
• Greater Luxembourg (modern region) → Greater Region of SaarLorLux  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
• Greater Region of Luxembourg → Greater Region of SaarLorLux  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]

Delete all three.Retarget to Luxembourg annexation plans after the Second World War. This Euroregion is never referred to as "Greater Luxembourg". РоманЖ (talk) 14:16, 28 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

• Keep: Journal of Contemporary European Studies and Organic policies in Luxembourg do talk about a Greater Luxembourg area. The second link also has a map which largely matches the map in Greater Region of SaarLorLux. A mention of the first term needs to be added to the target. The other two are acceptable variants. Retargeting to Luxembourg annexation plans after the Second World War (per the nom's updated recommendation) also seems like a good-enough option. -MPGuy2824 (talk) 14:25, 28 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Keep, possibly redirect to Luxembourg. The thing very definitely exists, see, for example [3] (there are dozens of solid peer-reviewed works using the term). According to this source, the Greater Luxembourg includes "partly derelict French periphery benefiting from the economic spillover of Luxembourg". Having once made an (accidental) stop there, I can vouch for the description. Whether this description matches the Greater Region of SaarLorLux, I do not know (the SaarLorLux seems much larger than what the works describing the Greater Luxembourg imply). Викидим (talk) 15:21, 28 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

See also Luxembourg annexation plans after the Second World War for some historical background of the term. Викидим (talk) 15:39, 28 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

• MPGuy2824, Викидим, I updated my proposal. I think now that it is better to retarget to Luxembourg annexation plans after the Second World War. РоманЖ (talk) 21:31, 28 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

  This is a modern concept as well. It draws a lot of interest among researchers as, I think, the largest (in terms of interaction) trans-border conglomeration in the EU. While not formal, like Greater London or Grand Paris, it seems notable on its own, perhaps, in the future it will have its own article. For now, I think that a section either in SaarLorLux or Luxembourg would do IMHO. Викидим (talk) 23:51, 28 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

  Closest equivalent is IMHO Paris metropolitan area. Викидим (talk) 00:18, 29 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

• Keep, per MPGuy. This is a solution in search of a problem. Whether or not strictly accurate, the term "Greater Region of Luxembourg" is widely used in reliable published academic source (1, 2). As for "Greater Luxembourg", this is also a commonly used term. Ernst & Young offer accountancy services for for "Greater Luxembourg" (3). So too does the UN (4) and the Lux government (5, "Given the important role of Luxembourg in the ‘greater Luxembourg’ labour market, the department could usefully explore funding opportunities in neighbouring regions..."). This is a very small selection. Where exactly is the problem with the current situation? —Brigade Piron (talk) 22:05, 30 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

• Canada bunting → American tree sparrow  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ] 

I could be wrong, but, based on this source from The Canadian Encyclopedia, this is an ambiguous term. I also do not see it mentioned at the target in any capacity. Hey man im josh (talk) 14:08, 28 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

• Delete I can't find any evidence that "Canada bunting" is a species of bird or an alternative name for either the current target or the species mentioned in the link provided by the nominator. When searching "Canada bunting" in Google, I get mainly hits for buntings of the Canadian flag. - Presidentman talk · contribs (Talkback) 15:04, 28 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
• Keep as the original name of the species, given by John James Audubon. Passengerpigeon (talk) 19:41, 28 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

  I saw that when searching, but is there a source specifying that it is this species? The provided source seems ambiguous about which "tree sparrow" is being depicted. Presidentman talk · contribs (Talkback) 13:14, 29 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

• It certainly looks like it, and there were no Tree Sparrows in North America when that was drawn. Passengerpigeon (talk) 13:21, 29 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

• Delete, demonstrably ambiguous with Bunting (decoration) or Bunting (bird) from Canada. No mention of such a phrase at the article of American tree sparrow, and would mislead readers who were looking for other purposes only to end up at a page where the phrase "Canada bunting" never occurs. Utopes _{(talk / cont)} 08:12, 29 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

• Loudward → Ai sponge  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ] 

No mention in the target page. -MPGuy2824 (talk) 14:03, 28 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

august 12th, 2036, heat death of the universe. november 4th, 2024, deletion of this redirect (per nom) cogsan _{(nag me) (stalk me)} 20:42, 30 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

• The Rhythm of ALT → WSTR (FM)  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ] 

Not mentioned at target. -MPGuy2824 (talk) 13:55, 28 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

• Delete The target radio station's slogan is "The Rhythm of ATL," so I presume this is intended to be a misspelling. I do not think it is very plausible, however. - Presidentman talk · contribs (Talkback) 15:07, 28 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

• Swiss Journal of Business Research and Practice → Nomos Publishing House  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ] 
• Die Unternehmung → Nomos Publishing House  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ] 

Not mentioned at the target. Hey man im josh (talk) 12:49, 28 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

• Heather Cerveny → Guantanamo Bay detention camp#Legal issues  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ] 

Per the result of Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Heather Cerveny, it was noted by the closer that "if there was nothing worthwhile to keep after a merge, the page could be nominated at RfD". Well, not only was there apparent consensus to not mention this individual at the target, there was no merge that took place at all, as the page history/latest edit summary indicates. In present day, neither "Heather" nor "Cerveny" appear at the target article of Guantanamo Bay detention camp. People looking for information about this individual would be misled when they are taken to an article about a detention camp where she is never mentioned or alluded to. WP:REDYES would seemingly apply... but it has already been tried and tested at AfD that this person is an apparent WP:BLP1E at this time (during the discussion in 2020), so it should just be deleted, only be recreated if this subject becomes notable for some other means in the future. Or maybe retarget to Colby Vokey, where she is mentioned? If deleted, remove from the Červený disambig page. Utopes _{(talk / cont)} 08:52, 28 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

• Harapanahalli railway station → South Western Railway zone  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ] 

There is no mention of "harapanahalli" at the target article, or any other indication about a "Harapanahalli railway station" at the South Western Railway zone article. The only mention of "harapanahalli railway station" anywhere on Wikipedia is at the overarching article for Harapanahalli, but this article has a good number of problems and only contains two references, so it begs the question whether the railway station needs to be mentioned there either. In any case, it seems that there may need to be a change to either the target, or to the content, or to delete entirely if its not necessary to be included anywhere. Utopes _{(talk / cont)} 08:42, 28 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

• Add mention. Railway stations that verifiably exist (and this one does) are always plausible search terms and are always DUE for a mention on the article about the line and in articles about the settlement they serve. Note also this was a BLAR and should not be deleted without an AfD. Thryduulf (talk) 14:31, 29 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Hello I'm the person who created this page the Harapanahalli Railway Station which is functioning currently six trains are operating through this station please help me to publish this article

Thank you :) Darshan Kavadi (talk) 15:15, 29 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

• comment Each of the three division articles has a list of the stations within the division. These lists appear to be incomplete do I cannot give an appropriate target, but whichever applies would be a good target. Mangoe (talk) 10:29, 30 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

• New York City Birth Index → New York City  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ] 

There does not appear to be a Birth Index located at the page for New York City. Birth Index does not exist, the only thing remotely similar to such a scope that I could find on Wikipedia would be California Birth Index. No mention of "birth index" at the target article, and very few mentions of either "birth" or "index". I tried my best to see if there was anything related within New York City#Demographics, but this just seems unhelpful because I don't think this is what readers would be after if they specified "New York City Birth Index", just to be taken back to the page for "New York City". Demographics of New York City could be slightly better, or Demographic history of New York City, that way it's not just going to the catchall page for "literally all of New York City", if we're able to give a target that is a bit more precise to what readers might be after with this particular search term. Utopes _{(talk / cont)} 08:31, 28 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

• Delete. Not mentioned at target article, only one incoming link from article namespace, and even that is in a reference, not the body text. JIP | Talk 08:43, 28 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

  Catching internal wiki-links is not remotely the primary purpose of redirects, and even zero internal wiki-links is not a valid reason for deletion. The primary purpose is to aid users to find what they are looking for, often by typing something into the search bar. Internal wiki-links are only a very very small part of that-- after all, we can always edit wiki-links to avoid the redirects in the first place using pipes as necessary. Not being mentioned at the target article is a bigger issue-- sometimes the existence of a redirect is enough to provide the information a user is looking for even without a mention, but not in this case. For the simple reason that we don't have any information on NYC's Birth Index, we should probably delete, but not for lack of links on wikipedia. Fieari (talk) 00:05, 31 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

• Fund for the City of New York → New York City  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ] 

"Fund for the City of New York" is not mentioned at the target article. People who use this search term are seemingly looking for the non-profit organization that shares this name. This non-profit is not mentioned or ever alluded to at the target article. The target article, being New York City. People who use this search term would almost certainly not be satisfied when they could have typed in NYC and ended up at the same spot. A non-profit target is desired, which we cannot offer at this time, so this should be converted into a red link to encourage article creation for this non-profit, if it is notable and verifiable, per WP:REDYES. Utopes _{(talk / cont)} 08:22, 28 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

• Strong Remove This redirect is functionally nonsense. If Wikipedia lacked a page for the American Red Cross it would be ridiculous to suggest redirecting to the page for the United States of America, as pointed out by Utopes, same principal applies. Foxtrot620 (talk) 14:17, 28 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
• Delete per mom and WP:RSURPRISE. Steel1943 (talk) 17:38, 29 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
• Delete - Per WP:REDYES, and because it violates WP:ASTONISH. Fieari (talk) 00:07, 31 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

• Fpoon → Spork  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ] 

This is terminology that was created primarily from a Key & Peele sketch. Searching for "fpoon" brings up exclusively K&P related videos and the urban dictionary citing them. While this might be a portmanteau of "fork" and "spoon", this is not a widely accepted or cited synonym, and is not mentioned at the target. The common and non-confusing name for this subject is "spork"; a lack of pageviews indicate that "fpoon" may be a novel and obscure synonym for the subject, and is likely to confuse readers. Especially so as "fpoon" is not a real word, or particularly grammatical. People who use this term may very well be looking for the Continental Breakfast K&P sketch, lol. Utopes _{(talk / cont)} 08:18, 28 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

• Keep I do know Key & Peele are hardly the first to come up with this portmanteau. My Elementary School came up with this term (to roarous laughter) sometime in the mid 2000's, significantly predating Key & Peele's coining, and I would have to guess we got it from somewhere just as they did. Conceptually, the jump to a inverted portmanteau is pretty simple, and while it may not be a word I draw serious issues with litigating the legitimacy of a word in a Wikipedia RfD log. Considering there is no central authority for accepted language in English, the fact that Googling the term provides several results (no mater how focused on one subject they may be) is, I think, enough of a reason to say it is a word. Beyond all of that, fpoon is no more grammatical then spork, we're just used to spork. (yes, the fp is not a frequently found constant grouping in English, but novel use of a constant group is hardly cause to call something not a word, if it was than vroom, vlog, dreamt, and bulb are all in trouble (vr, vl, mt, and lb respectively)). Foxtrot620 (talk) 14:39, 28 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
• Delete "It's funny" and "people have come up with it before" are not valid arguments to retain the redirect. There has to be some evidence of common usage to refer to sporks in that way, which there isn't. See also WP:NOTNEO for more details. ᴢxᴄᴠʙɴᴍ (ᴛ) 15:34, 28 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
• Weak keep. Meh, it's a somewhat plausible {{R from incorrect name}}, and its existence potentially prevents this title from being recreated. (That, and I doubt that the invention of a fork with a spoon-like end, like a handle, four-prong with three holes, then curved end, which is what I picture a "fpoon" being, makes any sense to invent.) Steel1943 (talk) 21:25, 28 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

  Delete. Just realized I'm actually thinking of the more likely search term "foon", which is a redirect to a different target that has a hatnote referring readers to Spork. This nominated redirect is nonsense due to the inclusion of the "p". Steel1943 (talk) 16:45, 29 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

• Weak Keep - I'm shocked foon doesn't redirect to spork, as I've definitely heard that one a lot. Fpoon doesn't seem far off from that, and I don't really think the target is ambiguous... surely Key and Peele aren't the only ones to have ever used the term. Fieari (talk) 04:16, 30 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

  @Fieari: I was thinking the same thing about Foon ... and I'm thinking per WP:DIFFCAPS, I agree with your shockedness and am considering retargeting or starting an RFD. Steel1943 (talk) 05:01, 30 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

• Eugenjusz Andrei Komorowski → Katyn massacre  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ] 

There is no mention of "Eugenjusz" or "Andrei" at the target article. The only mention of "Komorowski" is in relation to the President of Poland, Bronislaw Komorowski. People looking for information about this person, would not be able to find any information about this person at the target article. Do they have any relation to Bronislaw? According to the talk page archive, this person is the "only surviving witness". However, this information would not be ascertainable in mainspace, and there is a problem if the only way this can be found is by delving into the talk page archives. It does not seem as if this person was ever mentioned in the text, and this talk page discussion occurred in 2012 a couple months before this redirect was created. In any case, it is currently misleading, as we contain no information about this individual, and there is no mention of "Eugenjusz Andrei Komorowski" anywhere in the mainspace of Wikipedia. Utopes _{(talk / cont)} 08:06, 28 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

• Delete. Not mentioned at target article. The target article offers no clue about who Eugenjusz Andrei Komorowski is or how he is related to the massacre. No incoming links from article namespace. JIP | Talk 08:46, 28 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Comment. Eugenjusz Andrei Komorowski is an author of a single book, "Night never ending", the only escapee from the Katyn massacre. No other details of his life are known, AFAIK, and he therefore is often considered a fictitious figure created by his supposed co-author, Joseph L. Gilmore. FWIW, Викидим (talk) 20:37, 28 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@Викидим Is this story, book, or other person notable? PARAKANYAA (talk) 08:55, 29 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I do not know. I did not find much myself, but then I did not try very hard. Викидим (talk) 14:27, 29 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

• Erasing rule → Formal grammar  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ] 

There is no mention of "erasing" at the target article, and there is no mention of an "erasing rule" anywhere on Wikipedia, besides a mention on an index for Index of philosophy articles (D–H), which can be removed. People who use this search term will be misled due to a lack of context about their search term. Utopes _{(talk / cont)} 07:58, 28 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Comment: This redirect is a {{R with history}}. There was content at this title 2005–2017 (12 years) prior to the content being subject to a WP:BLAR. Steel1943 (talk) 17:42, 29 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

• redirect to Formal grammar#The_syntax_of_grammars where I have added relevant text. Mangoe (talk) 18:38, 29 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

• Electrotechnology → Electrical engineering  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ] 

According to the brief page history of this WP:DICDEF, electrotechnology is not simply "electrical engineering". From my external searches of this term, I'm getting mixed results. The question then becomes... what would be the best location to target this term? Because the term "electrotechnology" is not written anywhere at the target. It seems to be a valid question if the two terms are "apparently not 1:1 synonyms". But if they are synonyms, then this, too, should probs be indicated somewhere, and I feel something about "electrotechnology" could be added to the article to substantiate the redirect in that case. This would answer the question for people who use an "electrotechnology" search term to navigate Wikipedia, instead of seeking out the very long article on all of electrical engineering. As it happens, Electrical engineering technology also exists as an entirely different article. Utopes _{(talk / cont)} 07:39, 28 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

• Soft redirect to Wiktionary, where readers will learn this refers to both electrical technology and electrical engineering and can look up either or both if they subsequently desire. Thryduulf (talk) 14:43, 29 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

• DXAP-TV → List of ABS-CBN Corporation channels and stations  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ] 

No mention of "DXAP-TV" at the target article. As it happens, "DXAP-TV" is not mentioned anywhere on Wikipedia. People looking for this subject will be misled by this redirect, which does not directly address their search term. Utopes _{(talk / cont)} 07:14, 28 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

• Diana Burnwood → Hitman (franchise)  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ] 

Created on August 9th. Exactly one hour after creation, was AfD'd as Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Diana Burnwood, and nearly exactly 7 days later, it was closed as "redirect to the Hitman franchise". However, neither "Diana" or "Burnwood" is mentioned at the article for Hitman (franchise), and would be misleading to any reader who intended to find information exclusive to Diana Burnwood, but would be disappointed and misled by this redirect. As the AfD's consensus was that "this page should not exist as an article", it should be safe to delete this one. Utopes _{(talk / cont)} 07:07, 28 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

• Dhol (Kirat) → Dhol  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ] 

This is not a helpful disambiguator, as a "Kirat" variant is not discussed at the target article, so people specifying that they desire a "Kirat" form of the Dhol drum, would not receive it when they search for this title. Contains history. Utopes _{(talk / cont)} 07:03, 28 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

• David Carroll (academic) → Cambridge Analytica  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ] 

No mention of "Carroll" at the target article, and the only mention of "David" is three people named David who appear in the references. This redirect was created in 2018 towards this page (i.e., no valuable history which could be lost; it has always been a redirect). The edit summary states: "Redirect for now". It has now been 6 years since this redirect about a person has been created, and no material related to this person has been brought about. The existence of this redirect misleads people into thinking that we have material related to David Carroll the academic on Wikipedia, when we do not. Therefore, it should be deleted in the meantime, to encourage the creation of such an article per WP:REDYES. Utopes _{(talk / cont)} 06:56, 28 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

• September 31 → List of non-standard dates  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ] 

No mention of September 31 in the target page. -MPGuy2824 (talk) 06:54, 28 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Can someone unify it with #April 31? Web-julio (talk) 07:18, 29 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

• Note a redirect with this title was deleted in 2017, but a deletion review discussion overturned G4 speedy deletion as it had a different target (September). Thryduulf (talk) 14:50, 29 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

• Darts Australia → World Darts Federation  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ] 

This is the only redirect to this article. The article for World Darts Federation does mention Australia, which is good, but does not really give any context towards this search term which is already quite vague. I suggest deletion unless there is a better target out there for "[activity] [country]". Utopes _{(talk / cont)} 06:53, 28 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

• Delete per WP:REDYES. Darts Australia is the governing/organising body for darts in Australia (c.f. British Darts Organisation, Athletics Australia) but we don't have any content about it. Thryduulf (talk) 14:55, 29 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

• Danut Murariu → Salt Bank  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ] 

There is no mention of "Danut Maruriu" at the target article. Searching for this subject has led me to uncover... his Facebook profile, confirming this is a undiscussed person, and not a synonym for the target or discussed material. People looking for information about a person would likely not be thrilled to end up at the page about a bank. Even if the two are connected in some way, such a connection is wholly unknown to readers who might not be informed on why they ended up here or who Danut Murariu is. This should be converted into a red link per WP:REDYES to encourage the creation of an article about the subject, or to encourage the creation of a dedicated section in a related article. "Danut Murariu" occurs nowhere on Wikipedia, so there is nowhere else for this to point to at this time that could give insight for readers' specific search term.

I have no opinion or desire relating to the inclusion of material at the target article. Salt Bank is a four line stub. Currently the Danut Murariu redirect is misleading, and based on the current state of the two pages involved, should be deleted. Not all hope is lost, though! The redirect can be recreated whenever it receives content anywhere on Wikipedia, which doesn't have to be this week or even this year. It can be reinstated any point in time. But, for the last 13 years, no dedicated material has been added, so this redirect has been misleading potential readers for 13 years, and tagged as "unmentioned" since 2020. This RfD has been a long time coming. Utopes _{(talk / cont)} 06:49, 28 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

• April 31 → List of non-standard dates  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ] 

The only reasoning for this appears to be "Java (specifically the java.util.Calendar class) allows dates such as February 0 (= January 31) and April 31 (= March 1)." The problem is that that particular class in Java seems to accept any integer for the date. I tested "April 366" which showed up as March 31 of the next year. The internet does say that there is a reference to "April 31" in the The Long Walk by Stephen King, but it is purposely supposed to be a fictional date, even within that universe. -MPGuy2824 (talk) 06:47, 28 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

• The statement was added unsourced (and shouldn't it be "May 1"?). Even if factual, "April 31" is totally arbitrary: it could apply to anything, #September 31, March 32, your "April 366", etc. (fyi Bfinn) Hyphenation Expert (talk) 02:21, 29 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

  The same can be said about December 32, January 0, February 30, and many others. The redirect isn't to imply it's factual or not, it's to fulfill the gaps for the day 31 every month has in Wikipedia, such as June 31 and February 31. Web-julio (talk) 07:17, 29 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

  Each of those has unique encyclopedic information. Unlike September 31.

  And note, "filling in the gaps" is just WP:OTHERSTUFFEXISTS. Hyphenation Expert (talk) 10:15, 29 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

  Except OTHERSTUFFEXISTS exists on Wikipedia:Arguments to avoid in deletion discussions essay (note: not policy), and this is a discussion page (the D in AfD stands for deletion while the D from RfD means discussion).

  Filling the gaps is exactly why many redirects exist, and other stuff existing is the main reason why many redirects should be kept. And for example, different from AfD, WP:CHEAP, WP:USEFUL (see also WP:RFD#KEEP), and HARMLESS are valid arguments to use in RfD, and they are used frequently, including this current page. Web-julio (talk) 03:36, 30 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

  RfDs are deletion discussions, because this is where the deletion of redirects is discussed. That "deletion" is not in the title of the venue is irrelevant. Thryduulf (talk) 12:30, 30 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

• Daesh Tunisia → Ansar al-Sharia (Tunisia)  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ] 

I was highly confused by this redirect, and my external searching of "Daesh Tunisia" led me to uncover that apparently it is the "name of an invasive crustacean", per [4]. This blue crab might be invading Tunisia, but what it is ALSO invading is this article which has nothing to do with the subject. No mention of "daesh", "crab", "crustacean", or even "blue" at the target article. People looking for information on this blue crab would be very confused by the topic of Ansar al-Sharia, and if these two DO have a correlation, such a correlation is unclear with zero mention. Utopes _{(talk / cont)} 06:27, 28 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Comment Daesh is ISIS. This redirect is calling them Tunisian ISIS. They were closer to Al-Qaeda.

This name actually does get used in RS [5], but for Jund Al Khilafa-Tunisia or JAK-T, which we do not have a page on. We do have a page on the Algerian one though PARAKANYAA (talk) 22:02, 28 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I'm quite surprised we do not have a page on JAK-T PARAKANYAA (talk) 22:04, 28 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

• D'ni Restoration Council → Myst (series)#Story  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ] 

No mention of "restoration" or "council" at the target article. Tagged as a fictional element. Page history indicates there used to be content here written entirely in an in-universe style, and any mention that may have once existed to the D'ni Restoration Council, has been wiped out entirely from Myst (series). Utopes _{(talk / cont)} 06:23, 28 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]