Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/List of Jewish publishers

The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result of the debate was DELETE. There is no particular support for the category suggestion, but someone can do that freely if they want to (you might need to request a temp undel). Whichever way I count things, there's more than two-thirds to delete, but I observe keep editors without any reason and another with paranoia. -Splash^talk 04:24, 27 November 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Finishing incomplete nomination Nandesuka 11:48, 16 November 2005 (UTC)[reply]

• Delete One of the many spawnlings of listmania. There's a reason wikipedia does not have list of Muslim publishers, list of Atheist publishers, list of Buddhist publishers
• Keep Yet another anonymous person seeking the deletion of a list of Jews. Why do people keep doing this? The arguments for keeping these lists have been well rehearsed in previous requests for deletion, and have always been accepted.
  RachelBrown 22:03, 15 November 2005 (UTC)[reply]
  • No they haven't. See the yesterday's AFD on List of Jewish bankers. - Mgm|^(talk) 12:15, 16 November 2005 (UTC)[reply]
    • They haven't yet been accepted for that article - Londoneye 09:29, 17 November 2005 (UTC)[reply]
• Delete Why do people continously make these ridiculously specifi lists when no other lists of the like are made? EscapeArtistsNeverDie 22:35, 15 November 2005 (UTC)[reply]
• Delete. Don't feed the conspiracy theorists. Nandesuka 23:15, 15 November 2005 (UTC)[reply]
• Delete. Can this be used for anything but anti-Semitic purposes? --Maru (talk) Contribs 23:38, 15 November 2005 (UTC)[reply]
• Delete. Sets bad precedent. Religion and profession are rarely related. Serves no useful purpose. - Mgm|^(talk) 12:15, 16 November 2005 (UTC)[reply]
• Delete per arguments given above and at the List of Jewish bankers AfD. Anville 12:43, 16 November 2005 (UTC)[reply]
• Delete Trivial Carina22 12:44, 16 November 2005 (UTC)[reply]
• Delete per above. BD2412 T 14:21, 16 November 2005 (UTC)
  • In last few months were deleted Lists of Jewish scientists, engineers and so on. An attempts were made to delete Lists of Jewish Fellows of Royal Society, historians and List of Jews. There are a lot of such Lists for various nationalities in Wikipedia.
  • Mr. BD2412! Can you give us, as highly qualified attorney, a legal advice:
  • Can Wikipedia Organisation indorse all this Delitions, if apparently the only reason for them is that Jews are ethnic,relious group and not nationality?
  • LazarKr 07:20, 18 November 2005 (UTC)[reply]
• Categorize members of the list to Category:Publishers and Category:Jewish [Foobarians] according to nationality, then delete the list, so no information is actually lost. — FREAK OF NUR_xTURE (TALK) 14:27, 16 November 2005 (UTC)[reply]
• Categorify and delete, per Freak. - A Man In Bl♟ck (conspire | past ops) 15:21, 16 November 2005 (UTC)[reply]
• Delete - more unnecessary listcruft (as in who gives a damn what religion these guys are?). I would have voted to keep if this had been an actual list of publishing houses that produce books in the language or about exclusively Jewish topics, but this list ain't it. 23skidoo 16:01, 16 November 2005 (UTC)[reply]
• Delete Lists of Jews have been deleted, not kept. See List of Jewish members of the French Academy of Sciences, List of Jewish members of the Russian Academy of Sciences... howcheng [ t • c • w • e ] 17:34, 16 November 2005 (UTC)[reply]
  • Note that others have been kept, such as Wikipedia:Votes for deletion/List of Jews itself. Not that I think this should survive myself. — Haeleth Talk
• Delete or merge with list of deleted lists that tied various Jews to their occupations. Youngamerican 19:02, 16 November 2005 (UTC)[reply]
• Categorize and delete per Freakofnurture. — Haeleth Talk 21:38, 16 November 2005 (UTC)[reply]
• Delete no more encyclopedic than List of Methodist dentists. Durova 23:39, 16 November 2005 (UTC)[reply]
• Keep — if the contents are valid. — RJH 01:16, 17 November 2005 (UTC)[reply]
• Delete. Why on earth do we need to make lists of people by race/religion/ethnicity? Of what possible use is such a list is this? Is anyone ever going to type “List of Jewish publishers” into the search box? ♠DanMS 01:40, 17 November 2005 (UTC)[reply]
  • For some people, examples of accomplished individuals belonging to their shared faith is a significant source of pride and role models. This is just PC-ness run amuck. This type of information is going to be maintained somewhere, so why not do it here and make a proper, balanced, nPoV job of it? — RJH
    • This is not my reason for why I create religion involved lists. Otherwise I wouldn't hace created lists for religions where I have never even met anyone of the given faith. Religion is interesting to me as are religious people. I don't like reading in column form and by creating lists people can categorize them later. That said this might be too specific so I'm just not voting in this case.--T. Anthony 17:44, 17 November 2005 (UTC)[reply]
• Delete per nomination. Jtmichcock 03:03, 17 November 2005 (UTC)[reply]
• Delete per MacGyverMagic. Turnstep 03:44, 17 November 2005 (UTC)[reply]
• Keep LazarKr 07:35, 17 November 2005 (UTC)[reply]
• Keep - Do we really want to adopt the French position of refusing to keep statistics by ethnicity? Look where it's got them. - Londoneye 09:29, 17 November 2005 (UTC)[reply]
• Delete as per all the foregoing. → Ξxtreme Unction {^yakł_blah} 12:02, 17 November 2005 (UTC)[reply]
• Keep Jews can regard themselves as a nation so, if French publishers, American publishers etc. are allowed this should be also. Arniep 12:26, 17 November 2005 (UTC)[reply]
• Keep I abhor the attitude that Jews aren't allowed the same self-identity as anyone else. - Poetlister 12:51, 17 November 2005 (UTC)[reply]
• Keep Astrokey44 13:59, 17 November 2005 (UTC)[reply]
• Delete If there were lists of this detail for other "ethnicities," I'd consider keeping --- but I sense some underlying intentions with these lists. Antidote 17:59, 17 November 2005 (UTC)[reply]
  • Of course there's an underlying intention in my case - to record the contributions of the Jewish people to civilisation. I'm not sure about the list of Jewish criminals, and maybe that should go. Otherwise, I'm just bewildered by the general hostility to these lists. I wonder about the underlying intention of this hostility, and how many well-meaning people are being taken in by it. - RachelBrown 21:35, 17 November 2005 (UTC)[reply]
    • The fact that you are willing to delete the list of criminals shows a bias for only keeping lists that show people in a good light, no? The point is that there are way too many of these lists, and for no reason, since 95% of the people listed in them can be easily found in other lists and categories. 65.9.143.76 23:11, 17 November 2005 (UTC)[reply]
    • -You've missed my point. Well-meaning but misguided people are voting for deletion of this list on the false assumption that its originator and editors had an ulterior anti-Semitic motive. I say that I don't believe that for this list or most other such lists; there may be such a motive for the list of criminals. - RachelBrown 10:43, 18 November 2005 (UTC)[reply]
• Comment: listing only publishing houses that predominantly deal with Jewish subject matter would make sense. This list in its present form doesn't. Delete unless improved. Pilatus 00:29, 18 November 2005 (UTC)[reply]
• STRONG KEEP

All Lists are nominated by Arniep. see [1].

All biographical encyclopedia, "Who's Who", "Persoenlichkeiten" are nominated. It's so crazy.

「努力を尽くした人名一覧（人名百科事典）が、一人の人物によって、すべて削除されようとしている」!! --Sheynhertz_געשׁ״ך 03:06, 18 November 2005 (UTC)[reply]

• p.s. to first person: Judaism (yahaduth) is not only religion, and Jews is not only ethnic people. see mitzvah, taryag and halakha etc. --Sheynhertz_געשׁ״ך 03:06, 18 November 2005 (UTC)[reply]

• Delete being a Jew is not an important property of a publisher.  Grue  18:26, 18 November 2005 (UTC)[reply]
  • then, Judaica Press, JPS, YIVO, Gollancz, Keter..? This is a part of "Jewish culture". --Sheynhertz_געשׁ״ך 05:31, 20 November 2005 (UTC)[reply]
• Keep as nomination is part of a campaign to make a WP:POINT --Elliskev 19:31, 18 November 2005 (UTC)[reply]
• Abstain as it has been pointed out to me that I am wrong in this case. Please accept my apology. --Elliskev 02:13, 19 November 2005 (UTC)[reply]

see Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/List of Jews, when if anyone delete, please tell my talk page. --Sheynhertz_געשׁ״ך 07:12, 19 November 2005 (UTC)[reply]

• • Incase you are not aware, you cannot vote twice on the same AFD. Thanks. Antidote 19:41, 19 November 2005 (UTC)[reply]

• If that's to me, it's not two votes. It's one - abstain. --Elliskev 20:15, 19 November 2005 (UTC)[reply]

No, I'm referring to User:Sheynhertz-Unbayg, who voted twice before. Antidote 21:42, 19 November 2005 (UTC)[reply]

• Delete without prejudice or hostility. Edwardian 22:09, 19 November 2005 (UTC)[reply]
• Delete. Preaky 06:46, 20 November 2005 (UTC)[reply]
• Keep. Lulu of the Lotus-Eaters 00:41, 21 November 2005 (UTC)[reply]
• Strong Delete. I oppose lists by religion and in this specific case can see no purpose except to reinforce racial stereotypes, i.e. the Jews control the media. --JJay 02:13, 21 November 2005 (UTC)[reply]
• Delete. At first I thought this would be a list of publishing companies that publish Jewish resources, but no it's just a list of companies w/purported Jewish executives, which makes me wary of the motives behind such a list (i.e., "Jews run the media" etc ala [http://www.stormfront.org/jewish/whorules.html Stormfront]). Not encyclopedic. --MPerel ^{( talk | contrib)} 02:18, 23 November 2005 (UTC)[reply]

• another way, move to List of Jewish book figures (add Bernstein, Rosenbach rare books.. (book shops) etc) --Sheynhertz_געשׁ״ך 04:21, 23 November 2005 (UTC)[reply]
• Delete can't see this being useful- sorry 72.144.71.234 05:00, 23 November 2005 (UTC)[reply]

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.