Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/La Hoyada massacre

The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was keep‎. Xymmax ^{So let it be written} _{So let it be done} 02:21, 29 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

La Hoyada massacre (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – (View log | edits since nomination)

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Reviewed during NPP. No evidence of wp:notability under GNG or SNG and also per wp:notnews. Neither the English Wikipedia article or the corresponding Spanish Wikipedia has in-depth coverage of the event. All of the sources are about broader topics and just make mention of the event. North8000 (talk) 18:27, 21 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

• Note: This discussion has been included in the deletion sorting lists for the following topics: Crime and Peru. Shaws username . talk . 18:42, 21 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]
• Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Events-related deletion discussions. WCQuidditch ☎ ✎ 20:31, 21 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]
• Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Sexuality and gender-related deletion discussions. Eastmain (talk • contribs) 21:18, 21 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]
• Keep. Significant in Peru's LGBT+ history and also as an example of an atrocity for which revolutionaries rather than the country's security forces were responsible. Eastmain (talk • contribs) 21:19, 21 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

That seems to be a valid argument that it should be covered somewhere. The question really is; "should it be a full separate article?" North8000 (talk) 21:26, 21 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

• Keep Meets WP:GNG: [1][2][3]. While the number of deaths does not determine notability, this is not common and as such is not WP:NOTNEWS. --NoonIcarus (talk) 03:05, 22 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]
• Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Politics-related deletion discussions. NoonIcarus (talk) 03:06, 22 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]
• Comment I created this article on the assumption (flawed) that if there was a Spanish-language article it was probably a notable event. North8000 may be correct that there aren't enough sources, it's hard for me to evaluate since I don't speak Spanish beyond a very basic level. If we're looking for other places where this event could be covered, some options are https://es.wikipedia.org/wiki/Campa%C3%B1a_de_la_lista_negra (which doesn't have an English-language article), the main Shining Path article, or social cleansing (about a much broader phenomenon).Prezbo (talk) 12:57, 22 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]
• Keep. Meets WP:GNG. -- Necrothesp (talk) 13:22, 22 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]
• Keep meets our guidelines for inclusion. Lightburst (talk) 19:22, 22 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]
• Keep Clearly meets notability requirements, excellent sourcing has been provided by NoonIcarus. I am struggling to see why WP:NOTNEWS has been invoked here by the nom. What part of that guideline is relevant here? Is a massacre of LGBT people "routine news"? I can't see a single word in WP:NOTNEWS of any relevance here. AusLondonder (talk) 18:47, 24 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]
• Keep. Meets WP:GNG. The article could be expanded and improved, but the event itself is notable. TH1980 (talk) 01:41, 25 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]
• Snow Keep, easy WP:GNG pass. 23.156.104.104 (talk) 05:03, 27 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]
• Delete. The three sources NoonIcarus identified seems to indicate something happened at La Hoyada, but whether it was the "La Hoyada massacre" seems more up in the air. I grant that my not knowing Spanish may be hindering my ability to parse these sources, but I find myself feeling concerned that my attempt to search for both the English article title and the Spanish article title on Google search and GoogleScholar got no meaningful hits. [4] [5] [6] [7] P-Makoto (she/her) (talk) 05:56, 28 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]
• Comment A big part of WP:Notability is existence of coverage from which to create an article. After all of this discussion, and all of the months this article has existed, the entire coverage of the topic in this article is one "it happened"sentence and IMO this is due to the lack of GNG coverage. The other sentence is basically saying "three other events like this happened". IMO this is best covered in a broader article, doubly so because such would inherently provide the context which seems to be the crux of many opinions posted here. Sincerely, North8000 (talk) 17:37, 28 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

The Spanish article is way more extensive. The main issue is that it currently depends on a single source, but it doesn't mean that it fails WP:SIGCOV. --NoonIcarus (talk) 23:55, 28 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.