Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/County Route 35 (Warren County, New York)

The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was redirect to List of highways in Warren County, New York. All that content still fails to establish notability. King of ♥ ♦ ♣ ♠ 00:41, 26 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

County Route 35 (Warren County, New York)

Per precedent at WP:USRD/NT, county routes usually are not notable. This one is only a very short one, just like another currently at AFD. Yes, I'm aware that it's a GA. Ten Pound Hammer, his otters and a clue-bat • ^{(Many otters • One bat • One hammer)} 19:10, 18 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Redirect to List of highways in Warren County, New York. Most non-filler belongs in the I-87 article, and the route (US 9 to NY 9N via I-87 exit 23) only needs one sentence in the list. --NE2 19:18, 18 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Redirect to List of highways in Warren County, New York per NE2. The only relevant part of the history is better suited for I-87; also, the route passes through incredibly rural areas; how anyone milked three paragraphs out of it is astounding. – T M F 19:32, 18 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Redirect Concur with NE2. --Polaron | Talk 19:56, 18 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Keep - has well-sourced history section, besides other information, that would overload another unrelated article if merged. Numbered routes are usually notable. Sebwite (talk) 20:42, 18 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]
- The history section talks about the I-87 interchange, and then rambles on about how the FHWA made an error in their database and how melting salts have environmental impacts. The other information is basically a list of curves and intersections. --NE2 22:14, 18 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Weak keep - "outstanding" considering this road is so short and just goes through the woods. Bearian (talk) 21:08, 18 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Redirect to List of highways in Warren County, New York. This route is rather short and the basic information needed to describe CE 35 can be described in that list. Dough4872 (talk) 22:42, 18 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Note: This debate has been included in the list of New York-related deletion discussions. -- TexasAndroid (talk) 22:48, 18 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Merge or redirect to List of highways in Warren County, New York. There is nothing both unique and encyclopaedic about this road that cannot be said on the list of highways article. Thryduulf (talk) 07:26, 19 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Comment: I'm abstaining as I don't think I can be impartial. But would like to point out that the aside from the I-87 stuff, the rest of this article applies to highways in general, not this specific highway. Environmental issues with road salt is a worldwide problem. (what does it say about the effort put into this GA if nobody even checked for synonyms of melting salt) Also errors in highway databases are the norm, not a notable mention. The Federal Highway Administration is tasked with trying to document an ever changing network of hundreds of thousands of roads. Many roads have a complicated history ranging from segments that existed before the American revolution, to segments dedicated just this morning. It's trivially easy to see how outdated or incorrect information makes it's way into those logs.Dave (talk) 20:26, 19 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Keep - Some WikiProjects notability guideline is not a reason to delete an article. This stands up well on its own, well sourced, notable. Jenuk1985 | Talk 15:44, 20 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

And the inclusionists have made their appearance here as well... This article does not at all assert why an unsigned, backwoods county road deserves an article. The vast majority of the history relates more to I-87 than this road, and the remainder of the history either does nothing to prove why the route is notable or contains trivial database errors. And if you're going to tell me some article on a local issue about melting salts makes a highway notable, then this site is going to hell in a handcart faster than I thought it was. – T M F 16:01, 20 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

I'm an inclusionist, and I think this is too much to include... --NE2 01:07, 21 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Keep Apparently well-sourced, and notable in part for being the cause of an apparently significant environmental problem, affecting the water quality of Lake George, a large and important body of water (whose cold waters also happen to preserve America's oldest intact warship). If road salt on ring roads or other nearby highways is a major contributing problem for the water quality of previously pristine Lake Baikal or Lake Tahoe, and there is documentation in reliable sources, that would support the notability of those roads as well. In almost all other areas of the world the use of road salt is unknown or its use causes less significant, perhaps negligible, environmental problems. doncram (talk) 16:21, 20 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Redirect to List of highways in Warren County, New York per NE2. –Juliancolton | ^Talk 23:39, 20 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Keep This is one of the relatively few cases where country roads are notable. It seems to be in fact a fairly major road. DGG (talk) 14:58, 21 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]
- I hope you realize this is just a long exit ramp that the state doesn't want to maintain any more. The bulk of the history in the article doesn't even focus on the actual roadway. --Polaron | Talk 15:34, 21 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]
  - I wouldn't call that an accurate description, since it existed before I-87. --NE2 19:39, 21 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]
- I find it hard to believe this counts as a major county road, see Clark County Route 215 for a major county road.Dave (talk) 22:05, 21 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Delete/Merge — per the comments and reasoning given by NE2, Dave and TMF, this article doesn't warrant a separate article. If this did, then every exit ramp deserves an article. Honestly, the road that my grandma lives on shows up on aerial maps/photos. It connects her driveway to the main road, and except for a period when her neighbors on the corner had a mobile home in their backyard facing the side road, my grandma's house is the only address on the road. Does that mean her street and driveway which continues from it, deserve an article as "a major connector for a residential area in location"? Imzadi1979 (talk) 04:11, 24 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.