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Using a DYK suggestion string (see below examples), list new suggestions in the candidate entries section below under the date the article was created or the expansion began (not the date you submit it here), with the newest dates at the top. Any user may nominate a DYK suggestion; self-nominations are permitted and encouraged. Thanks for participating and please remember to check back for comments on your nomination.

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1. Nom without image: {{subst:NewDYKnom | article= | hook=... that ? | author= }}
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{{subst:NewDYKnom
 | article       = Example
 | status        = new<!--(or) expanded-->
 | hook          = ... that this [[article]] is an '''[[example]]''' ''(pictured)''?
 | author        = User
 | nominator     =
 | image         = Example.png
 | rollover      = An example image
 | comment       =
}}

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• ... that that the candidates for the presidency of the Philippine Commonwealth included Filipino patriot Emilio Aguinaldo, religious leader Gregorio Aglipay (pictured), and the winner Manuel L. Quezon?

Created by 23prootie (talk). Self nom at 10:52, 3 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]

• ... that Joseph Flores, the first Chamorro Governor of Guam, also published the island's first locally owned newspaper?

Created by Scapler (talk). Self nom at 07:58, 3 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]

• The article looks good; will assume good faith on the offline sources. –Katerenka (talk • contribs) 08:42, 3 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]

• ...that English author Selina Davenport, in an attempt to support herself and her two daughters after separating from her husband, ran both a coffee house and a dance school?

Created by Katerenka (talk). Self nom at 07:57, 3 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]

• Source and date of hook verified. Looks good. Pmlineditor ∞ 08:07, 3 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]

• ... that the name of the village Kokkarebellur, an important breeding ground for Spot-billed Pelican (pictured), is derived from word "Kokkare" meaning stork or pelican in Kannada language?

5x expanded by Nvvchar (talk). Nominated by Chanakal (talk) at 06:11, 3 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]

• ... that John Banister's 1679 description of the devil's dipstick (example pictured) is thought to be the first account of a fungus in North America?

• ALT2:... that the devil's dipstick (pictured) is covered with a gelatinous, foul-smelling, slimy green spore mass?

Created by Sasata (talk). Self nom at 05:04, 3 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]

• ... that the first known Japanese who landed on the Marshall Islands in 1884 were killed by the islanders preceded permanent or long-term Japanese settlement in the Marshall Islands?

Created by Mr Tan (talk). Self nom at 06:59, 3 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]

I Didn't Raise My Boy To Be A Soldier

• ... that "I Didn't Raise My Boy To Be A Soldier" (example right) was a popular pacifist song of World War I?

Created by JoshuaZ and Durova³²⁰ 05:07, 3 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]

• ... that the Adel Mountains Volcanic Field was formed by a thrust fault which led to overlapping rock formations known as horses?

Created/expanded by Tim1965 (talk). Self nom at 23:07, 2 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]

• ... that old houses in England saw an increased number of visitors in the 1840s due to published lithographs depicting architecture and historical scenes in them drawn by Joseph Nash?

Created by Majorly (talk). Self nom at 21:55, 2 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]

• ... that Karl Wilhelm Scheibler, the "Cotton King" of Łódź, sold his stock at triple the price after the American Civil War broke out?

Created by User:HerkusMonte. Self nom at 18:23, 2 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]

• ... that the hairy black cup (pictured) is the first fungal species known to have a defensin?

Created by Sasata (talk). Self nom at 18:13, 2 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]

• ... that one of the French ships captured at the Battle of Cape Ortegal in 1805 (pictured) went on to serve the Royal Navy for the next 144 years?

5x expanded by Benea (talk). Self nom at 14:58, 2 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]

• Length and 5x expansion verified. Offline book source for hook accepted on good faith. —mattisse (Talk) 16:03, 2 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]

• ... that the French School at Athens, which have provided for the Delos Archaeological Museum, began excavating at Delos in 1872 and are still excavating the area today?

5x expanded by Himalayan Explorer (talk). Self nom at 13:48, 2 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]

• ... that referee Johnny LoBianco awarded boxer Roberto Durán a 1972 knockout despite his apparent low blow, with sportswriter Red Smith stating "anything short of pulling a knife is regarded indulgently"?

Created by Alansohn (talk). Self nom at 11:45, 2 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]

• Length and date verified. Non free source for hook accepted on good faith. —mattisse (Talk) 16:15, 2 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]

• ... that the first two movie theatres in Detroit opened in 1906 in the Monroe Avenue Commercial Buildings historic district, and by 1914 six of the 13 buildings housed movie theatres?

5x expanded by Andrew Jameson (talk). Self nom at 11:43, 2 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Note: Hook refs located in the middle of the History and significance section; the six theatres are the Casino (1906), Bijou (1906), Star/Royal (1907), Columbia (1911), National (1911), and the Family (1914). Also note the 1913 image includes 4-1/2 of the six theatres (part of the National is at far left, the Star/Royal is just to the right of the National, the smaller Casino and Bijou are just visible in the center, the Columbia is prominently at left center, and the (unopened in 1913) Family would be past the right side of the image. Andrew Jameson (talk) 11:57, 2 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]

• ... that the new world's record for the largest formation of women skydivers was organized by the daughter of Lamb Chops puppeteer, Shari Lewis?

Created by B.s.n.R.N. (talk). Self nom at 08:30, 2 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]

• Article has 1009 bytes of prose whereas 1500 is a minimum for DYK. Materialscientist (talk) 10:34, 2 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]

• Oh, will expand 2x - 3x by day's end. Thanks ♠ B.s.n. ♥R.N.contribs 10:50, 2 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]

• Article now at 1675 characters of prose; will assume good faith on offline references. The picture is out because images that appear on the main page must be free media. –Katerenka (talk • contribs) 06:29, 3 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]

  The image is OTRS-confirmed, but its copyright status is unclear to me. Perhaps an administrator should check. Materialscientist (talk) 07:29, 3 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]

• According to the tag on the file, an email has been sent to OTRS, but permission has yet to be confirmed. –Katerenka (talk • contribs) 07:32, 3 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]

• ... that in 1939 Sri Lankan Elephant was reported still present in Hakgala Strict Nature Reserve?

Created by Chanakal (talk). Self nom at 08:07, 2 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]

• Sorry, I don't understand the hook - those elephants are not extinct and are still present in thousands in various parks. Materialscientist (talk) 10:40, 2 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]

• You are quite correct. But the books says they disappeared from this particular reserve. Cheers!--Chanaka L (talk) 10:45, 2 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]

  Then sorry, could you find a more appropriate hook? That they disappeared merely from that park is hardly a notable DYK hook. Materialscientist (talk) 11:10, 2 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]

I thought it is bit confusing too. How about ALT... that Hakgala Strict Nature Reserve is an important and isolated cloud forest, however its small size and isolation is jeopardizing its long term survival? Best!--Chanaka L (talk) 03:16, 3 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]

• ... that the painted suillus (pictured) has a disjunct distribution?

Created by Sasata (talk). Self nom at 06:51, 2 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]

• New article, length and hook verified. Good to go. Smartse (talk) 13:25, 2 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]

• ... that twin brothers Bubber Jonnard and Claude Jonnard formed the Nashville Volunteers baseball team's battery in 1920 and 1921?

• ALT1:... that twin brothers Bubber Jonnard and Claude Jonnard both were members of the New York Giants baseball organization?

Created by Rlendog (talk). Self nom at 03:17, 2 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]

• ... that Garry Gross was the original photographer of a controversial nude image of a then ten-year-old Brooke Shields recently banned from the Tate Gallery in London?

Created by Francium12 (talk). Self nom at 02:07, 2 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]

• What does "original" mean here? Someone re-took the photo? --74.14.17.249 (talk) 05:56, 2 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]
  • Yes, someone called Richard Prince is famous for "re-photographing" photos, a so called "appropriation artist". I think he was trying to make some bold statement about authorship and copyright? 09:33, 2 October 2009 (UTC)
    • alt hook ... that Richard Prince's controversial "rephotograph" of Garry Gross 's nude image of Brooke Shields at age 10 was recently banned from the Tate Gallery in London? —mattisse (Talk) 18:51, 2 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]
• Length, date and source for hook verified. I think the alt hook describes the situation more clearly. —mattisse (Talk) 18:54, 2 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]

• ... that Yehuda Hiss has been the chief pathologist at Israel's National Institute of Forensic Medicine since 1988?

Created by Epycwin (talk), Tiamut (talk), Nominated by Tiamut. Self nom at 22:40, 2 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]

• ... that the Classic Period Mesoamerican archaeological site of Bilbao on the Pacific coastal plain of Guatemala, features a significant amount of sculpture with ballgame imagery?

Created by Simon Burchell (talk). Self nom at 11:11, 2 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]

• Length, date and source for hook verified. —mattisse (Talk) 16:22, 2 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]

• ... that Roy Frankhouser, a Ku Klux Klan Grand Dragon, was arrested at least 142 times?

Created by Will Beback (talk). Self nom at 04:28, 2 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]

• Date, length, fact verified. Changed 142 to "at least 142" - that is what the source says. Materialscientist (talk) 11:16, 2 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]

• ... that the 1979 Abbotsford landslip was the biggest landslide ever in an urban area in New Zealand?

Created by Grutness (talk). Self nom at 00:35, 2 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]

• ... that Voina is a Russian art collective whose provocative works have included public group sex and staged hangings?

Created by Gamaliel (talk). Self nom at 21:38, 1 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]

• Length and date verified. The hook needs to have inline citations in the article per DYKRules. —mattisse (Talk) 19:11, 2 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Added inline citations to the article. Gamaliel (talk) 19:46, 2 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]

• ... that the patriotic song "Llévame Donde Nací" became an anthem for Gibraltarians during the World War II evacuation, remaining popular thereafter as Spanish sovereignty claims over Gibraltar during the 1960s led to its complete discommunication from Spain?

Created by Gibmetal77 (talk). Self nom at 20:12, 1 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]

• 256 character hook (254 characters before my 5 tweaks). Art LaPella (talk) 00:44, 2 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]

• The hook could easily be shortened by taking out everything after the word "evacuation" - ... that the patriotic song "Llévame Donde Nací" became an anthem for Gibraltarians during the World War II evacuation? Grutness...wha? 01:16, 2 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]

• The article has 1303 bytes of prose whereas a minimum is 1500. Materialscientist (talk) 11:27, 2 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]

• ... that the British submarine HMS Graph was a captured German U-boat, and was the only German submarine to see combat service with both sides during World War II?

5x expanded by Catsmeat (talk). Self nom at 20:03, 1 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]

• DYKCheck indicates that this does not satisfy the criteria for 5x expansion, in particular F2 - looks like around 3.2x based on comparison of versions. Is there anything more that can be added? Nick Ottery (talk) 07:47, 2 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]

• ... that David Davies was transported to Australia for his part in the Rebecca Riots, an uprising that saw the mob leaders cross-dressing as women?

Expanded by FruitMonkey (talk). Self nom at FruitMonkey (talk) 19:13, 1 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]

• ... that American folk blues guitarist and Grammy-winning music historian Elijah Wald (pictured) is the son of prominent biologists Ruth Hubbard and Nobel laureate George Wald?

Created by Jmabel (talk). Self nom at 18:29, 1 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]

• Length, date and sources for hook verified. —mattisse (Talk) 16:32, 2 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]

• ... that two steam trains were involved in a head-on collision on the Lößnitzgrundbahn heritage railway in Saxony, Germany, on 12 September 2009?

Created by Mjroots (talk). Self nom at 18:11, 1 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]

• ... that Howell Peacock coached the future Governor of North Carolina Luther H. Hodges while at the University of North Carolina?

Created by Remember (talk) and Jrcla2(talk) . Self nom at 17:08, 1 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Alternative hook: ... that Howell Peacock, while a medical student, coached the North Carolina Tar Heels men's basketball team as well as future Governor of North Carolina Luther H. Hodges? Remember (talk) 17:14, 1 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]

• I reworded hook slightly to remove two "future"s and unnecessary repetition of "coached". —mattisse (Talk) 16:39, 2 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]

• ... that the sculptor Emile Norman’s largest and most famous work is a four-story high endomosaic window in the lobby of the Masonic Memorial Temple in San Francisco?

Created by Nick Ottery (talk). Self nom at 09:57, 1 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]

• Would sculptor be appropriate here instead?--Wetman (talk) 19:51, 1 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]

• ALT1: ... that the sculptor Emile Norman's largest and most famous work is a four-story high endomosaic window above the entrance of the Masonic Memorial Temple in San Francisco? —Preceding unsigned comment added by Nick Ottery (talk • contribs) 21:41, 1 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]

• ... that the three high crosses at Monasterboice—most notable of which is Muiredach's High Cross—are regarded as Ireland's greatest contribution to European sculpture?

5x expanded by Breandán MacAmhlaidh (talk). Self nom at 07:32, 1 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]

• The article has been updated to reflect the fact that the source says these could probably be regarded as Ireland's greatest contribution... Should the hook be updated to reflect this too, or reworded to say something like have been described as...? Otherwise this looks good for DYK. Nick Ottery (talk) 08:00, 2 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]

• OK, how about ... that the three high crosses at Monasterboice—one of which is Muiredach's High Cross—have been described as possibly Ireland's greatest contribution to European sculpture?--Breandán MacAmhlaidh (talk) 08:37, 2 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]

• ... that some Polish cities were destroyed by 90% and over in World War II?

Created by Brandmeister (talk). Self nom at 07:23, 1 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]

• ALT1:... that some Polish cities were over 90% destroyed in World War II? Art LaPella (talk) 00:44, 2 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]
• This list article currently doesn't have enough prose for Did You Know. Please see C2 for details. Art LaPella (talk) 00:44, 2 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]

• ... that the Anatolic, Armeniac, Opsician, and Thracesian themes, the first four Byzantine themes to be established, descended from the field armies of the East Roman army?

• Comment: Thracesian Theme would actually count as new, created by User:Catalographer and expanded by me

Created by Cplakidas (talk). Self nom at 03:07, 1 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]

• ... that over 6,000 fans of the late Michael Jackson were in attendance at a memorial service held at U.S. Steel Yard in Gary, Indiana?

5x expanded by MuZemike (talk). Self nom at 01:56, 1 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]

• ... that John Cantius, patron saint of the Jagiellonian University, is buried in the Church of St. Anne, Kraków?

Created by Gryffindor (talk). Self nom at 22:58, 2 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]

• The hook must be cited with an inline citation. In addition, this article as a whole has no references or inline cites. DYK articles must be referenced with generally one inline cite per paragraph. –Katerenka (talk • contribs) 23:04, 2 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Done. Is it better now? Gryffindor (talk) 23:28, 2 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]

• Looks good, thanks. :) Will assume good faith on the references. –Katerenka (talk • contribs) 05:34, 3 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]

• ... that during the Second World War, the Japanese-American family of Tsuyako "Sox" Kitashima were interned in a horse stall?

Created by Skomorokh (talk). Self nom at 06:47, 2 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]

• Hook, date and length (just!) all check out. Looks good for DYK! Nick Ottery (talk) 08:12, 2 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]

• Cheers Nick! (and sorry about the length – I'm very lazy)  Skomorokh, barbarian  09:06, 2 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]

• ... that in Archuleta v. Hedrick, the petitioner, among other requests, sought to withdraw his successful insanity defense through a writ of habeus corpus?

Created by Mattisse (talk). Self nom at 20:56, 1 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]

• ... that the medieval English bishop Alexander of Lincoln was the patron of the chronicler Geoffrey of Monmouth, who dedicated his Prophecies of Merlin to the bishop?

5x expanded by Ealdgyth (talk). Self nom at 19:49, 1 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]

• ALT:... that the Prophecies of Merlin by Geoffrey of Monmouth was dedicated to his patron, the medieval English bishop Alexander of Lincoln? --74.14.17.249 (talk) 06:00, 2 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]

• ... that the Holding Institute community center in Laredo, Texas, was formerly a boarding school which was destroyed by Rio Grande flooding in 1954?

Created by Billy Hathorn (talk). Self nom at 02:52, 1 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]

• ... that three U.S. Presidents gave speeches from the balcony of the Casa Alcaldia de Ponce (pictured), a former jail and execution site?

5x expanded by Plain87dice (talk). Nominated by Doncram (talk) at 02:44, 1 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]

This is a 5x expansion although DYKcheck does not show that, due to a previous copyvio expansion. doncram (talk) 02:43, 1 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]

• ... that the new Utah towns of Bryce Canyon City, Hideout, and Independence were

incorporated under a controversial, short-lived state law?

• Comment: Expanded Bryce Canyon City, created the other two

Created/expanded by Ntsimp (talk). Self nom at 23:43, 30 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]

• ... that Elia Kazan's 1947 film Boomerang!, about a murder defendant whose innocence was proven by the prosecutor, was based on the true story of Harold Israel?

Created by Stetsonharry (talk). Self nom at 21:58, 30 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]

• Length and date verified. However, I don't see a source for the hook that the movie was based on the life of Harold Israel. —mattisse (Talk) 23:05, 1 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Oops, plumb forgot. Here[1] (Life magazine). Am adding to article.--Stetsonharry (talk) 00:54, 2 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]

• ... that William S. Dix had a 22 year career as Librarian at Princeton University without ever obtaining a degree in Library Science?

• • Alternate:

• ... that William S. Dix was recognised as one of the American Libraries' 100 most important figures although he never obtained a degree in Library Science?

Created by Tragiccnet (talk). Nominated by Dr.K. (talk) at 21:36, 30 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]

• Length and date verified. Offline book sources for hook accepted in good faith. (You should add ISBNs for the books.) —mattisse (Talk) 23:08, 1 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Thank you very much Matisse. The ISBNs etc. were added. Take care. Tasos (Dr.K. logos 02:24, 2 October 2009 (UTC))[reply]

• ... that some of the mallees in the Australian Inland Botanic Gardens may be up to 2500 years old?

Created by Rosiestep (talk). Self nom at 21:30, 30 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]

• ALT1: ... that the Australian Inland Botanic Gardens are the Southern Hemisphere's first semi-arid botanical gardens? --Rosiestep (talk) 22:50, 30 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]

• Length, Date verified. References checks out for both the hooks. Could use a picture here. I think first hook would attract more people here. Regards!--Chanaka L (talk) 09:16, 2 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]

• ... that the Georgia Marble Company supplied the marble that was used to build New York Stock Exchange and the Lincoln Memorial?

Created by SparksBoy (talk). Self nom at 21:19, 30 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]

• OK, several issues. First, it sounds like marble which that company mined was used in the construction of those buildings, but not that the company actually built them. Second, those sentences are not explicitly referenced in the text. Third, your first reference talks about the Georgia Marble Company, not the Georgia Mining Company. These do not appear to be the same entities. In fact, given that your article seems to be about the former, not the latter, I've moved it to Georgia Marble Company. -Kieran (talk) 00:57, 1 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Ok I have fixed all of it up.. If there are any other problems let me know. SparksBoy (talk) 01:17, 1 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Hmmm - the reference you use only talks about the stock exchange annex. Also, there's a better list of uses here, which mentions that only the statue of Lincoln at the memorial was Georgia Marble. I would try the following (but reference the dozens of others to the link I've provided):

Alt1: ... that the Georgia Marble Company supplied the marble used to build the New York Stock Exchange annex and the statue of Lincoln at the Lincoln Memorial, among dozens of other major architectural and memorial projects? -Kieran (talk) 09:16, 1 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Ok I like that one, I will work on the article a bit more today. SparksBoy (talk) 18:14, 1 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]

• ... that footballer Tony Hawksworth had only made three appearances for Manchester United's reserve team when he made his Football League debut, but never played another League match?

5x expanded by PeeJay2K3 (talk). Self nom at 20:49, 30 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]

• ... that reticulated foam is used to protect the fuel tanks of the A-10 Thunderbolt II?

Created by Silverchemist (talk). Self nom at 19:58, 30 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]

• Nice article. I would slap some categories on, though. Also, although the source for the fuel tanks has a photo of an A-10, it does not explicitly state that the A-10 uses the foam. The sentence on the A-10 page referring to it is unreferenced, too. You need a reference explicitly stating that it is used. For the hook, how about mentioning military aircraft in general, ie. "fuel tanks of military aircraft such as the A-10 Thunderbolt II? -Kieran (talk) 01:16, 1 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Added a reference from US govt source for the use of foam in the A-10. Added categories. Hook changed as suggested.Silverchemist (talk) 04:30, 1 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]

• New:

• ... that reticulated foam is used to protect the fuel tanks of military aircraft such as the A-10 Thunderbolt II?

Created by Silverchemist (talk). Self nom at 19:58, 30 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]

• Looks good! (Just to confirm - length, date and references all check out. Ready for DYK.) -Kieran (talk) 05:29, 1 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]

• ... that the recording of "Fría Como el Viento" by Luis Miguel became his third number-one song in the Billboard Hot Latin Tracks chart?

Created by Jaespinoza (talk) 19:32, 30 September 2009 (UTC). Self nom at 19:31, 30 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]

• ... that 150 Pomeranian prelates and landlords confirmed the Treaty of Pyritz by oath?

Created by Skäpperöd (talk). Self nom at 18:11, 30 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]

• ... that Karen L. Gould, a scholar of French-Canadian literature and francophone women writers, is the first woman president of Brooklyn College?

Created by Dwalls (talk). Self nom at 17:09, 30 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]

• Length, date, and hook verified. --Cryptic C62 · Talk 17:30, 30 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]

• ... that the Sholes and Glidden typewriter was the first commercially successful typewriter?

Created by Elcobbola (talk). Self nom at 16:59, 30 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]

• Comment: note this was moved from userspace to mainspace on 30 September (diff). Эlcobbola _talk 21:44, 1 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]

• ... that actress Maxine Audley was married four times?

5x expanded by Cryptic C62 (talk). Self nom at 16:22, 30 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]

• ... that high school dropout Esther Reed studied at Harvard University under an assumed name?

Created by Decp85 (talk), Hack (talk). Self nom at 14:46, 30 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]

• Hmm, article could be nominated for deletion per WP:ONEEVENT, but she has received press coverage from several major news sources. I'll give it the benefit of the doubt. Length, creation date, and hook verified. --Cryptic C62 · Talk 16:28, 30 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]

• ... that Abba Garima Monastery, located near Adwa, Ethiopia, contains the crown of the Emperor Zara Yaqob of the Solomonic dynasty?

Created by Himalayan Explorer (talk). Self nom at 14:38, 30 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]

• All verified, good to go. Skäpperöd (talk) 06:33, 2 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]

• ... that the Abir Congo Company was once described as "the black spot on the history of Central African settlement"?

• ALT1:... that the Abir Congo Company was mentioned in Roger Casement's 1904 Report into human rights abuses in the Congo Free State?

Created by Dumelow (talk). Self nom at 13:41, 30 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]

• ... that philanthropist Joseph Gurwin lost over $30 million to Bernard Madoff, but promised he would continue making charitable donations even if he had "to sell apples on the street"?

• ALT1:... that philanthropist Joseph Gurwin had space satellites Gurwin-1b and Gurwin-2-TechSAT named in his honor after he contributed money to Technion to cover their launch costs?

Created by Alansohn (talk). Self nom at 12:27, 30 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]

• Length, date of creation, and first hook verified. --Cryptic C62 · Talk 16:32, 30 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]

• ... that RAAF fighter ace John Waddy later became a Minister of the Crown, while British Army paratrooper John Waddy went on to command the SAS?

Created by Ian Rose (talk), Ranger Steve (talk), Skinny87 (talk). Nominated by David Underdown (talk) at 09:10, 30 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]

• ... that the chicks of the Australian Little Bittern are covered with orange-buff down and are fed by regurgitation by both parents?

Created by Maias (talk). Self nom at 06:15, 30 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]

• ... that the Australian town of Acland, once host to Queensland's oldest and smallest continuously worked coal mine, now has a population of one?

Created by Hamiltonstone (talk). Self nom at 05:56, 30 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]

• ALT:... that the Australian town of Acland, once host to Queensland's smallest continuously worked coal mine, is proposed to be demolished for an open-pit mine that will produce 10 million tonnes of coal each year?

  Primary hook and article is fine, but (i) Isn't it two (+his wife)? (ii) I would add Australia somewhere in the hook, (iii) I'm curious how do they manage to keep a town status? Materialscientist (talk) 11:52, 1 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]

• Cmt the ref 2006 Census QuickStats : Acland (Rosalie Shire) (State Suburb) states not town but "state suburb"? Sebastian scha. (talk) 12:19, 1 October 2009 (UTC) PS: In Acland is a lonely place its named town. So I think its okay. Sebastian scha. (talk) 12:22, 1 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]

• I don't think town was meant as a formal legal status but as an everyday English description of the place. Second, the "state suburb" language of the census is a rather strange and cumbersome terminology used nowhere else that i think is a product of their technical processes. I'll come back about the Q re his wife. I think I missed the fact that he had one. hamiltonstone (talk) 23:23, 1 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]

• I've just re-read the main sources - I do not believe Mr Beutel has a spouse, so "one" appears correct. Have added "Australian" in both versions of hook. Look OK? hamiltonstone (talk) 03:02, 2 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]

  I might have mixed up him and other couples described in one of the refs. Nice short article. Date, length, refs Ok. Favor the main hook. Materialscientist (talk) 06:34, 2 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]

• ... that according to the book Who's Your City?, in the United States neurotic people are concentrated in the New York and ChiPitts area?

• Comment: hook cited in the lead paragraph. The cite is to a book but the relevant map from the book can be viewed here

5x expanded by Maclean25 (talk). Self nom at 04:52, 30 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]

• ... that the illegal Galician castle constructed by Muño Peláez in 1121 was considered a "den of robbers and bandits" by contemporaries, and was soon razed?

Created by Srnec (talk). Self nom at 03:06, 30 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]

• ... that women's professional wrestlers Tammy Sytch and Dawn Marie resumed a ten-year-old feud when they were reunited in Women Superstars Uncensored?

5x expanded by GaryColemanFan (talk). Self nom at 03:03, 30 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]

• "Women's professional wrestlers" gets plenty of Google hits but no Google Books hits, presumably because the wrestlers don't belong to women. I suggest an alternative such as "professional woman wrestlers". Art LaPella (talk) 04:43, 1 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]

• I completely agree. When I was writing the hook, I checked with other articles to see how it was written. I went with the most common phrasing, but it's just not grammatically correct. I like your suggestion: "... that professional woman wrestlers Tammy Sytch and Dawn Marie resumed a ten-year-old feud when they were reunited in Women Superstars Uncensored?" GaryColemanFan (talk) 05:30, 1 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]

• ... that the Kodaikanal–Munnar Road in Tamil Nadu and Kerala, was built by the British in 1942 as an evacuation route in preparation for a possible Japanese invasion and, with a maximum elevation of Template:M to ft, was among the highest roads in India, south of the Himalayas, prior to its closure in 1990?

Created by Marcus334 (talk). Self nom at 00:37, 30 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Hook over 200 characters in length.--LAAFan^sign _review 01:22, 30 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]

• Oops! now 172 characters: alt 1: ... that the Kodaikanal–Munnar Road in Tamil Nadu and Kerala, was built by the British in 1942 as an evacuation route in preparation for a possible Japanese invasion of South India? Marcus (talk) 02:15, 30 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]

• ... that 12 former managers of the St. Louis Cardinals have been inducted into the Baseball Hall of Fame?

Created by Gary King (talk). Expanded and nominated by LAAFan (talk) on 30 September 2009

• ... that Marie Wadley helped to introduce legislation to establish the Five Civilized Tribes Museum and later served as its first president?

Created by Scanlan (talk). Self nom at 02:02, 3 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]

• ... that in 1644, during the English Civil War, Haggate was the scene of a skirmish in which five people were killed by King Charles' troops?

Created by BigDom (talk). Self nom at 16:37, 2 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]

• ... that the East Side Historic District (R. Newton Brezee house, pictured) of Saratoga Springs, New York, contains 82 buildings formerly used by Skidmore College?

Created by Daniel Case (talk). Self nom at 15:03, 1 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]

• ... that Giuseppe Giulietti, a leader of the Italian seamen's union, once hijacked a ship in order to give weapons to the White movement in Russia?

Created by Keresaspa (talk). Nominated by Carabinieri (talk) at 12:12, 1 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]

• ... that as a child, Czech painter Kamil Lhoták was infected with poliomyelitis by his father, a physician?

Created by Vejvančický (talk). Self nom at 10:54, 1 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]

• ... that in 2009, the Czech Republic hosts more than fifty international music competitions?

• ALT1:... that the first international music competition in the Czech Republic took place in May 1947, as a part of the Prague Spring International Music Festival?

Created by Vejvančický (talk). Self nom at 10:24, 1 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]

• ... that the library in the Calumet and Hecla Industrial District (pictured) originally housed public baths in its basement?

Created by Andrew Jameson (talk). Self nom at 09:37, 30 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]

• ... that silent film comedian Shorty Hamilton served in the U.S. Cavalry and worked as a cowboy in Montana before becoming an actor?

Created by Cbl62 (talk). Self nom at 23:55, 29 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]

• alt 1 ... that silent film comedian Shorty Hamilton died in 1925 when his automobile crashed into a steam shovel in Hollywood? Cbl62 (talk) 23:57, 29 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Comment Terrible tragedy, of course, but I have to say that the alternative hook is much more interesting to the reader.--Wehwalt (talk) 13:06, 30 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]

• ... that it is uncertain whether the extinct oryzomyine rodent Megalomys audreyae came from Barbuda or Barbados?

• Comment: There are several other facts which may make for a more interesting hook, but I'm going with this one for now. Ucucha 21:18, 29 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Created by Ucucha (talk). Self nom at 21:18, 29 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]

• ... what Polish Jew under German occupation was a former officer of the Polish Home Army with the rank of lieutenant, and one of the insurgents in the Warsaw Uprising of 1944?

Created by User:Radeksz. Nominated by User:Pernambuko at 23:09, 29 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Comment I don't want to bite, but the format of the hook seems to be a little more suited to Jeopardy!--Wehwalt (talk) 21:52, 29 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]

• Just in case it isn't clear yet, a better way to express this might be:

ALT1: ... that Stanisław Aronson was an officer of the Polish Home Army with the rank of lieutenant during the German occupation of Poland and an insurgent in the Warsaw Uprising of 1944?

Did You Know hooks almost always begin with "... that ..." instead of "... what ...". --Metropolitan90 (talk) 04:51, 2 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]

• ... that in 1992, 29 years after his defection to the USSR, American Victor Norris Hamilton was discovered in a Russian mental hospital?

Created by Wehwalt (talk). Self nom at 20:33, 29 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]

• ... that despite historically good relations, Libyan leader Muammar al-Gaddafi called for Switzerland's dissolution in September 2009?

Created by TM (talk). Self nom at 20:17, 29 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]

• ... that marketing executive Edward Gelsthorpe, who introduced Ban roll-on deodorant and Manwich sloppy joe sauce, earned the nickname "Cran-Apple Ed" after introducing the product while at Ocean Spray?

Created by Alansohn (talk). Self nom at 20:06, 29 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]

• ... that the Tuvan People's Revolutionary Party was admitted as a 'sympathizing party' in the Communist International in 1935?

5x expanded by Mrdie (talk). Nominated by Soman (talk) at 19:35, 29 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]

• ... that The Committee for the Propagation of Virtue and the Prevention of Vice is a police force of the Hamas de-facto government in the Gaza Strip, tasked with enforcing Islamic codes of behavior such as women not laughing in public?

Created by Jalapenos do exist (talk). Nominated by B.s.n.R.N. (talk) at 18:13, 29 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]

• ... that to avoid being hit by Allied bombers during the Battle of Elephant Point, British officers and other ranks carried orange umbrellas?

Created by User:Skinny87 (talk). Self nom at 16:06, 29 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]

• The British Commonwealth does not have an army, and India was not part of it during WW2, if existed then, which is arguable. Both hook & article need changing. Johnbod (talk) 22:06, 29 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Eh, fair enough, I wasn't sure of the terminology so I altered it for the hook. I'll change it back now to just British. Skinny87 (talk) 16:16, 30 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Ok, or British and Indian, or as below. Only British Indian Army ground troops were involved, as far as I can see. Johnbod (talk) 19:49, 30 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]

ALT1:... that to avoid being hit by Allied bombers during the Battle of Elephant Point in 1945, troops of the British Indian Army carried orange umbrellas? Johnbod (talk) 19:54, 30 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Yeah, that sounds just as good, and makes more sense. Cheers! Skinny87 (talk) 06:58, 1 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]

• ... that the stilt roots of Socratea exorrhiza allow it to re-root in a different location from where it germinated if a tree falls on it?

5x expanded by Smartse (talk). Self nom at 15:26, 29 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Comment, this might not make sense, so please feel free to suggest an alternative... Smartse (talk) 15:26, 29 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]

ALT 1 How does that sound? Skinny87 (talk) 16:37, 29 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Yeah that's better thanks, I've added that it is only the seedlings though as from what I gathered in the source it is only the case with them. Smartse (talk) 19:18, 30 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]

ALT2: ... that if a tree falls on seedlings of the Walking Plm its stilt roots allow it to re-root in a different location? Smartse (talk) 13:02, 2 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]

The common name is a bit more exciting! Smartse (talk) 13:02, 2 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]

• ... that director Asit Sen received his first and only Filmfare Best Director Award for his 1970 film Safar, which was not nominated for the Best Film award?

Created by Shshshsh (talk). Self nom at 15:09, 29 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]

• "First and only award" is not supported by given ref. Also, the article says he received the "best director" award, but what he has actually won is the "best screenplay" award according to the ref. ≈ Chamal ^talk ¤ 08:27, 1 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]

No - you are talking about BFJA - it's not Filmfare. I'm talking about the Filmfare Best Director Award, the first and only he has got. It is supported by the list of Filmfare nominees and winners. Shahid • ^Talk2me 08:37, 1 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Then please move the ref to the appropriate place (ref should be directly after the hook fact - see WP:DYKDN). The fact appears after the reference. ≈ Chamal ^talk ¤ 08:46, 1 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Fine, done. Thank you. Shahid • ^Talk2me 10:28, 1 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]

• ... that in 941, the Byzantine chamberlain Theophanes, at the head of 15 old ships armed with Greek fire, defeated a Rus' fleet of 1,000 ships?

Created by Cplakidas (talk). Self nom at 12:58, 29 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]

• ... that Bonar Law became Leader of the Conservative Party with fewer than forty supporting Members of Parliament after both of the frontrunners simultaneously withdrew? fivefold expansion as part of my "lets get Law to GA" plan. Ironholds (talk) 10:49, 29 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Shouldn't "with less than" be "with fewer than"? Ericoides (talk) 10:09, 1 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Yes, so I changed it. Art LaPella (talk) 00:44, 2 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]

• ... that the Icehotel in Jukkasjärvi, Sweden, was the world's first ice hotel, and has opened each winter since 1990?

Created by Epson291 (talk). Self nom at 08:56, 29 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]

• You have three uncited paragraphs there. Please add a cite for each, thanks. Gatoclass (talk) 10:10, 29 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]
• Text from an old version of ice hotel was copy/pasted to create this split-off article, which then is not new and thus does not qualify for DYK. Materialscientist (talk) 10:14, 29 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]

• I didn't realize that wasn't allowed for DYK. - Epson291 (talk) 12:12, 29 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]

• M2. Art LaPella (talk) 00:04, 30 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]

• ... that De Hoop (pictured), a mill in Norg, Drenthe, is the only windmill in the Netherlands equipped with Bilau sails?

Created by Mjroots (talk). Self nom at 08:54, 29 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]

• ... that philanthropist James W. Davidson spent CAN$250,000 of his own money in 1914 and 1915 to establish over 20 branches of Rotary International on three continents?

• ALT1:... that James W. Davidson's 1903 book Formosa Past and Present has been called "the major English language survey of Taiwan for its days"?

Created by Taiwantaffy (talk). Self nom at 08:47, 29 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]

• Verified the first hook, couldn't verify the second as the quote does not appear in the provided reference. Gatoclass (talk) 10:17, 29 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]

• Oops! Well spotted there, I'd used the wrong reference for that quote. Fixed now. Taiwantaffy (talk) 10:36, 3 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]

• ... that Yana, India, in Karnataka is famous for trekking to two unique rock outcrops of black crystalline limestone (pictured) with a cave temple in one rock where a self manifest Shiva Linga is venerated?

• Comment: Stub article expanded by more than five times

Created/expanded by Nvvchar (talk). Self nom at 08:37, 29 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]

ALT1... that Yana in Karnataka, India, offers treks to two unique rock outcrops of black crystalline limestone (pictured), one with a cave temple where a "self-manifest" Shiva Linga is venerated? - clearer. The "self-mainfest" bit could maybe be explained. Johnbod (talk) 01:54, 2 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]

• Agreed. Thanks for the modification.--Nvvchar (talk) 04:55, 2 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Self-manifest used in this hook is translation of the Sankrit word Swayambu. The article on this subject states: "Swayambhu (also spelt Svayambhu) means Self-manifested or that which is created by its own accord". --Nvvchar (talk) 15:00, 2 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]

I've linked that, though the article could do with improving. Johnbod (talk) 15:06, 2 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]

• Yes, done.--Nvvchar (talk) 02:24, 3 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]

• ... that last recorded sighting of Knob-billed Duck (pictured), now thought be extinct in Sri Lanka, occurred in Lahugala Kitulana National Park?

Created by Chanakal (talk). Self nom at 06:49, 29 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]

• Good to go. Rlendog (talk) 16:20, 29 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]

• ... that prolific screenwriter C. Gardner Sullivan (pictured) was selected as one of the ten individuals who contributed the most to the motion picture industry?

5x expanded by Cbl62 (talk). Self nom at 05:26, 29 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]

• Nice expansion, but an important detail is missing in the hook: selected "in 1924". Materialscientist (talk) 12:12, 2 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]

• ... that the term "Moonie" was first used by American media sources to refer to members of Sun Myung Moon's Unification Church in 1974, during church events at the Madison Square Garden?

5x expanded by Cirt (talk). Self nom at 05:15, 29 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]

• ... that the first town plans for Bunbury (pictured) in Western Australia, by surveyor Thomas Watson were discarded?

Created by Hesperian (talk). Nominated by Casliber (talk) at 05:13, 29 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]

• ... that Hirsh Lekert, a Bundist, tried unsuccessfully to assassinate the governor of Vilna, and became a folk hero in the Jewish workers’ movement, with poems and dramas written about him in Yiddish?

Created by Radeksz (talk). Self nom at 08:47, 1 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]

• ... that Colombia produces 95 percent of the world's emeralds (Gachala Emerald pictured)?

Created by Koven.rm (talk). Self nom at 13:18, 30 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]

• Can't find a reference for the hook in the article. Materialscientist (talk) 07:22, 2 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]

  Sorry, I don't believe the 95% number (see e.g. here and therefore propose ALT1 ... that Colombia produces most of the world's emeralds (Gachala Emerald pictured)?

• ... that George Osbaldeston (pictured) was twice Master of the Quorn?

Created by Moonraker2 (talk). Self nom at 03:01, 30 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]

• ... that Sahara, a 1919 film of a woman (actress pictured) who deserts her husband and child in the desert, was called "one of the really great dramas" of recent years?

Created by Cbl62 (talk). Self nom at 01:22, 30 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]

• ... that Antonio Frasconi spent ten years creating an artwork that shows the people who disappeared during the dictatorships in Uruguay?

Created by Victuallers (talk). Self nom at 13:36, 29 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]

• ... that the first known Japanese settlement in the Federated States of Micronesia dates back to 1890?

Created by Mr Tan (talk). Self nom at 11:56, 29 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]

• ... that in the Treaty of Saint-Germain-en-Laye (1679), Brandenburg was forced by France to return just conquered Swedish Pomerania to Sweden?

Created by Skäpperöd (talk). Self nom at 08:28, 29 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]

• ... that Lucy Vodden was John Lennon's inspiration for the song "Lucy in the Sky with Diamonds"?

Created by Scanlan (talk). Nominated by Cbl62 (talk) at 06:00, 29 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]

• Length, date, refs, fact checked. Materialscientist (talk) 06:42, 2 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]

• ... that Starfall, a free website that teaches children how to read, had 987,000 visitors in May 2009, which was a 300 percent increase from the previous year?

Created by Erich gasboy (talk), Cunard (talk). Self nom at 05:37, 29 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]

• The web stats are for May 2007, not 2009, and a 3X increase is not interesting. Let's try some other hooks... --Una Smith (talk) 14:13, 1 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]

• ALT1 ... that in May 2007 alone 987,000 unique visitors tried Starfall, a free website that helps children learn to read?

• ALT2 ... that US House of Representatives member from Colorado Jared Polis founded a children's reading education free website, Starfall?

• ALT2a: ... a free reading education website for children, Starfall? (I think "education free" sounds too much like "free of education".) Art LaPella (talk) 00:44, 2 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]

• Works for me. --Una Smith (talk) 01:55, 2 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]

• ... that Eugenio Pacelli's (future Pope Pius XII) 1936 visit is credited with silencing Catholic priest and New Deal opponent Charles Coughlin (pictured)?

Created by Savidan (talk). Self nom at 04:04, 29 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]

• ... that in June 2004, the only businesses in operation at Normal, Illinois' College Hills Mall (now The Shoppes at College Hills) were its three anchor stores and a restaurant?

• Comment: I'd like to see both of this and the Eastland Mall hook make the main page at the same time.

Created by TenPoundHammer (talk). Self nom at 02:55, 29 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]

• ... that when Bloomington, Illinois' Eastland Mall opened, the only other businesses at its intersection were a gas station, a Kmart and General Electric plant?

Created by TenPoundHammer (talk). Self nom at 02:20, 29 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]

• Just wondering -- is this considered unusual? At most intersections, there are only four corners to locate businesses on. So if the mall was on one corner, and there were two businesses on two of the other two corners, that would just leave one corner unbuilt. And the article indicates that there was already a K mart under development on the fourth corner. --Metropolitan90 (talk) 06:20, 29 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]

• It is sometimes; most malls are built in the mid of an already growing business district, but every now and then, they do build out in the middle of nowhere. I think this hook is a good way to show how Bloomington-Normal has grown over time. I did add Kmart to the hook. Ten Pound Hammer, his otters and a clue-bat • ^{(Many otters • One bat • One hammer)} 15:42, 29 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]

• I'm not sure this is much of an improvement. Suppose there was a suggested hook that said "... that John Doe was raised by only one of his parents, his mother?". Then I would comment, "Is this considered unusual? He couldn't have more than two parents anyway, and anyway the article says that his father lived with him and his mother for some of his childhood." I wouldn't fix the hook by changing it to "... that John Doe was raised by only two of his parents?". There are only four corners at the intersection where this mall is, like most intersections in the United States. If the mall is on one corner, there would normally be only be three other businesses on the three other corners. So I don't see how this works as a hook. --Metropolitan90 (talk) 04:46, 30 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]

• Alt 1: …that one of the tenants of Bloomington, Illinois' Eastland Mall had operated a store in town since 1892?
• Alt 2: …that the 1973 opening of the Bergner's at Bloomington, Illinois' Eastland Mall made it the first new department store in town in 30 years?

Suggested two alts: Ten Pound Hammer, his otters and a clue-bat • ^{(Many otters • One bat • One hammer)} 16:08, 30 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]

• ... that breaker boys were at risk for acid burns, asthma, black lung disease, accidental amputation, and death by smothering or crushing while working in coal breakers?

5x expanded by Tim1965 (talk). Self nom at 01:51, 29 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]

• ALT: ... that as many as 20,000 breaker boys were working in anthracite coal breakers in Pennsylvania in 1907?

• Truth-in-advertising: The "coal breaker" article came second. It incorporates most (but not all) of the "breaker boy" piece. However, even removing that, the coal breaker article is way more than five-fold expansion. The breaker boy article is also way more than five-fold expansion. - Tim1965 (talk) 02:44, 29 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]

• ... that the Carbon Market (pictured) is the oldest and largest farmer's market in Cebu City, the Philippines, and is a major tourist attraction in that city of over 2 million people?

Created by Bearian (talk). Self nom at 22:09, 28 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]

• Wouldn't this make a good April fools? ... something like although famous person now offsets their carbon when flying to famous place, the Carbon market has been operating for 100s of years? Victuallers (talk) 09:28, 30 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]

• Technically good to go. I agree with Victuallers that it should be possible to find a more snatchy hook (and not just for April 1st). --Stephan Schulz (talk) 09:44, 30 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]

• Well, one of the big jokes (at my expense) at the last WikiMeetup in NYC was that I'm a terribly stiff writer! LOL. And yes, it would make a great April fools' day article, but we have to start somewhere. Bearian (talk) 15:13, 30 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]

• ALT 1:

... that the largest and oldest farmer's market in Cebu City, the Carbon Market (pictured), is wheelchair accessible? --ᜊᜓᜅ ᜅ᜔ ᜑᜎᜋᜅ᜔ ᜋᜑᜒᜏᜄ (ᜂᜐᜉ)^Baybayin 16:34, 1 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]

• ALT 2:

... that the Carbon Market (pictured) was once used as a dump in the 19th century before it became the largest and oldest farmer's market in Cebu City? --ᜊᜓᜅ ᜅ᜔ ᜑᜎᜋᜅ᜔ ᜋᜑᜒᜏᜄ (ᜂᜐᜉ)^Baybayin 16:34, 1 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]

• Oh, those are much better, and I like both, so you folks choose which of the three you like. Bearian (talk) 18:21, 2 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]

• ... that the three Error: {{sclass}} invalid format code: 6. Should be 0–5, or blank (help)s (pictured) were the first ocean-going battleships built by the Austro-Hungarian Navy since the ironclad SMS Tegetthoff of the late 1870s?

Created/expanded by Parsecboy (talk). Self nom at 21:57, 28 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]

• I don't think we should have a red link in a DYK hook. Ten Pound Hammer, his otters and a clue-bat • ^{(Many otters • One bat • One hammer)} 02:49, 29 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]

• I7 does forbid red links in hooks, so I changed {{SMS|Tegetthoff|1878|2}} to {{SMS|Tegetthoff}}. I'm not sure what was intended. Art LaPella (talk) 05:36, 29 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]

• I'll start a basic stub on the 1878 article then. Parsecboy (talk) 11:16, 30 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]

• ... that in the Polish–Muscovite War (1577–1582) Muscovy failed in its attempt to gain access to the Baltic Sea?

Created by Piotrus (talk). Self nom at 21:04, 28 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]

• Note that in this period Muscovy already proclaimed a different name, Tsardom of Russia so technically the hook and lead contradict the lead of Grand Duchy of Moscow. Perhaps, delink Muscovy in the hook. NVO (talk) 10:00, 2 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]

• ... that Dhaka Residential Model College has the largest college campus (60 acres) in Dhaka as well as in Bangladesh?

5x expanded by Tanweer drmc (talk). Self nom at 16:53, 28 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]

• ... that Tropical Storm Christine was the easternmost forming Atlantic tropical cyclone on record?

Created by Cyclonebiskit (talk). Self nom at 16:33, 28 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]

• ... that the Byzantine chapel of the Theotokos of the Pharos at Constantinople housed a huge collection of holy relics, many of which were acquired by Louis IX of France for his Sainte-Chapelle?

Created by Cplakidas (talk). Self nom at 16:14, 28 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]

• All ok. Johnbod (talk) 23:02, 28 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]

• ... that James Howden (pictured) invented the marine forced draught system, which made steam-powered transatlantic journeys a practical possibility?

Created by Ericoides (talk). Self nom at 15:51, 28 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]

• Length, date and online refs verified, offline refs accepted in good faith. --Bruce1ee^talk 09:44, 29 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]

• Sorry, but I don't think this hook is acceptable. "Steam powered transatlantic journeys" were a "practical possibility" since at least 1838, when the first regular transatlantic steamship service went into operation, and Mr Howden did not invent his gadget until the 1880s. Gatoclass (talk) 11:02, 29 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Well, it's what the ref said but I too wondered about it. I'll take your word for it and remove the claim from the article. Alt hook is: ... that James Howden (pictured) invented the marine forced draught system, which was used on the Lusitania, Mauritania, Queen Mary, Normandie and Queen Elizabeth? Ericoides (talk) 11:22, 29 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Actually, I was just looking at the article and I have my doubts about that claim too. Obviously he patented a particular type of forced draught system, but it seems pretty unlikely he was the first to apply a forced draught to marine boilers, since forced draught technology had been around for a long time before the 1880s. I might have a browse through some of my references and see what I can find. Gatoclass (talk) 11:24, 29 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Great, thanks for that Gatoclass, much appreciated. I posted an appeal for help on this very question on two project pages yesterday[2][3], as the topic lies well north of my area of expertise. Regards, Ericoides (talk) 11:31, 29 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]

A possible further alt: ... that James Howden (pictured) invented the Howden System of Forced Draught, which was used on the Lusitania, Mauritania, Queen Mary, Normandie and Queen Elizabeth? Ericoides (talk) 11:35, 29 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]

I've confirmed that forced drafts for marine boilers were in use since at least the 1850s, so it can't be said that he invented it. As for your alt hook, I think it's a bit misleading to link "Howden system of forced draught" to a generic link about boilers. But I think your original alt would probably be fine without the comma after "forced draught system". Gatoclass (talk) 11:49, 29 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]

OK, here it is (I've changed "which" to "that", removed the comma and amended the article in the light of your remarks).

... that James Howden (pictured) invented the marine forced draught system that was used on the Lusitania, Mauretania, Queen Mary, Normandie and Queen Elizabeth? Ericoides (talk) 11:58, 29 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Sorry to put you to more trouble, but on closer inspection I'm not sure the reference referring to the ships is up to scratch - it's basically a blog. Any chance you could verify that info from other sources? If not, you may have to come up with a different hook. Gatoclass (talk) 12:10, 29 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Please don't apologise, this process is very worthwhile. I've found cast-iron refs for three ships (but I've not the time at the mo to verify the Queen Mary, Normandie and Queen Elizabeth).

New (final?) alt: ... that James Howden (pictured) invented the marine forced draught system that was used on the Lusitania and Mauretania? Ericoides (talk) 12:39, 29 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]

• Trimmed the last hook to refer only to first two ships as I'm not sure the third is referring to the same technology (and I doubt many people have heard of the Paris anyhow). Nice hook, and thankyou for your gracious response to my comments! Gatoclass (talk) 08:29, 30 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Excellent. I think I'll take this whole exercise as a cautionary tale about what happens when I foolishly venture out of my depth ... Regards, Ericoides (talk) 14:44, 30 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]

• ... that Hurricane Brenda was the first tropical cyclone on record to make landfall in Mexican Province of Campeche?

Created by Cyclonebiskit (talk). Self nom at 14:52, 28 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]

• Campeche is an estado, which is usually translated as "state" not "province". So ALT1: ... in the Mexican state of Campeche? Art LaPella (talk) 22:39, 28 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]

• Yea, go with state then. Cyclonebiskit (talk) 00:47, 29 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]

• ... that from 1946 to 1999, Ordnance Survey International provided a central survey and mapping organisation for British colonies and protectorates?

Created by Arb (talk). Self nom at 13:28, 28 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]

• ... that the Francophonie games are being held for the first time in Lebanon?

5x expanded by Eli+ 12:25, 28 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]

• ... that Lord Nuffield rejected the first designs for the buildings of Nuffield College, Oxford by the architect Austen Harrison, saying that they were "un-English"?

• Comment: File:Nuffield College, Oxford.jpg could be used as an image, but it's of the college as built and would require some lengthy text such as (college as built pictured); see what you think. Bencherlite^Talk 09:06, 28 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Created by Bencherlite (talk). Self nom at 09:06, 28 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]

• ... that professional wrestler La Parka is the second man to wrestle under the name "La Parka" as Adolfo Tapia, the original La Parka, did not own the copyright to the name?

Created by MPJ-DK (talk). Self nom at 08:14, 28 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]

• To avoid repetition, suggest slight reword to "...the second man to wrestle under the name" -- ChrisTheDude (talk) 11:09, 29 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]

• Well I fixed it again, let's hope someone does not once again revert the edit for no good reason.  MPJ-DK  (No Drama) Talk  05:06, 30 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]

• ... that as the first Vice Chief of Naval Operations, four-star admiral Frederick J. Horne was responsible for all United States Navy logistics during World War II?

Created by Morinao (talk). Self nom at 07:00, 28 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]

• ... that when the Neilson Brothers platted the townsite of Lind, Washington, they named all of the north to south streets to eventually spell out their surname? The town only grew large enough to spell "Neilso".

5x expanded by Publichall (talk). Self nom at 06:58, 28 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]

• Prose expansion 4315/2663=1.6, too far from required 5x. Materialscientist (talk) 12:31, 28 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]

• ... that Michał Klepfisz, a hero of the Warsaw Ghetto Uprising, saved his comrades' lives by throwing himself on a German machine gun and was awarded the Virtuti Militari cross by the Polish General Sikorski?

• Comment: This is an expansion, not a new article. By my count I've done the 5X expansion from this version [4] though I'm not sure how this is actually measured (characters? kbs?). Anyway, I've pretty much exhausted every online source available in Polish and English, and a few offline as well. I've also found and added an image.

5x expanded by Radeksz (talk). Self nom at 06:40, 2 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]

• No, 2523/677=3.7x expansion so far, not 5x. Our calculation is explained at F1 (the word "prose" can be clicked for more explanation.) Art LaPella (talk) 22:49, 2 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Expanded and it should be long enough now.radek (talk) 06:05, 3 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]

• ... that the monogram of King Haakon VII of Norway, H7 (pictured on coin), became a resistance symbol during the Second World War?

• Comment: Moved from userpage on 27 september

Created by Geschichte (talk), Oceanh (talk). Self nom at 22:38, 30 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]

• ... that a church in Worthing, England (pictured), has the world's only known replica of the Sistine Chapel ceiling, hand-painted at two-thirds scale by an untrained artist?

• Comment: Reffed at the end of the "Location of Worthing..." paragraph. No pic of the ceiling ... sorry ... they sell postcards of it and stuff, so I don't think I could take a photo and release it under a suitably free licence.

Created by Hassocks5489 (talk). Self nom at 22:24, 30 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]

• ... that following the capture of Kafr 'Inan during the 1948 Arab-Israeli war, its inhabitants were expelled by the Israel Defense Forces on three separate occasions in 1949?

5x expanded by Tiamut (talk), Huldra (talk). Self nom at 11:38, 30 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]

• ... that Rakhine State in present-day western Burma was an independent country before it was invaded and annexed by Konbaung Burmese forces led by Thado Minsaw in 1784?

Created by Hybernator (talk). Nominated by PFHLai (talk) at 08:06, 30 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]

• ... that the Norwegian company Maarud was the largest snack food producer in Scandinavia in the 1970s?

Created by Sjakkalle (talk). Nominated by PFHLai (talk) at 07:53, 30 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]

• Ready to go up. Norwegian language ref accepted in good faith. Tiamut^talk 16:17, 30 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]

I have checked the Norwegian refs, and they are fine. (What I miss is a link to the greatest film-diva in Norway; Wenche Foss ..AFAIK, the Thomas Stang mentioned in the article was her late husband (also father of the present Mayor of Oslo)). Perhaps for future expansion? Cheers, Huldra (talk) 16:43, 30 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]

• ... that Anna Deinet created the role of Brangäne in Richard Wagner's Tristan und Isolde, the first of two Wagner characters she premiered?

Created by Rlendog (talk), Singingdaisies (talk). Self nom at 00:18, 30 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]

• ... that the Chilean forestry company Complejo Forestal y Maderero Panguipulli faced problems such as guerrilla activity and military intervention in the 1980s?

Created by Dentren (talk). Self nom at 09:03, 29 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]

• ... that Freddy Bienstock was the designated song screener for Elvis Presley?

5x expanded by Alansohn (talk). Nominated by Alansohn (talk) at 02:48, 29 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]

• Expansion, date and hook refs verified. --Bruce1ee^talk 06:12, 29 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]

• ... that Marie Haupt, Josephine Schefsky‎ and Friederike Grün‎ each premiered a character in Richard Wagner's first Ring cycle at the Bayreuth Festspielhaus in August 1876?

Created by Rlendog (talk), Singingdaisies (talk). Self nom at 01:40, 29 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]

• ... that Luise Jaide created two roles in Richard Wagner's Der Ring des Nibelungen opera cycle?

Created by Rlendog (talk), Singingdaisies (talk). Self nom at 01:15, 29 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]

• ... that the dwarf lanternshark, spined pygmy shark (pictured), and pygmy ribbontail catshark are candidates for being the smallest shark in the world, all maturing at under 20 cm (7.9 in) long?

5x expanded by Yzx (talk). Self nom at 04:20, 28 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]

• This looks OK - ref checks out. The second and third articles don't get a tick with the DYKcheck tool but they appear, based on bytes added, to both be large expansions, from less than 2000kb in both cases, to over 7000 in one case, and over 12000 in the other. i would give the whole thing the tick. hamiltonstone (talk) 01:15, 1 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]

• ... that Truman C. Everts (pictured) was lost for 37 days while exploring what would become Yellowstone Park?

Created by Dmadeo (talk). Self nom at 04:12, 28 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]

• ... that the Louisiana State Representative Pinkie C. Wilkerson was killed in a six-vehicle accident two weeks before she was to be a delegate to the 2000 Democratic National Convention?

Created by Billy Hathorn (talk). Self nom at 00:34, 28 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]

OR ALT1... that an annual award honoring "outstanding state legislators" presented by the National Bar Association is named for the Louisiana State Representative Pinkie C. Wilkerson?

OR ALT2 ... the Louisiana State Representative Pinkie C. Wilkerson sponsored awareness programs to prevent diabetes, cancer, lupus, and cardiovascular disease?

OR ALT3 ... the Louisiana State Representative Pinkie C. Wilkerson succeeded in 1993 in establishing a statewide hot line to reach compulsive gamblers?

• ... that Dymitr of Goraj, one of the most powerful people in the late 14th-century Kingdom of Poland, was instrumental in preventing the marriage between Jadwiga of Poland and William, Duke of Austria (event pictured)?

Created by Piotrus (talk). Self nom at 23:11, 27 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]

• Length, date Ok. Refs accepted AGF. Fact cross checked. Hook 196 chars. Picture doesn't really fit into the hook and could be stripped (non-lead hook). Materialscientist (talk) 10:40, 29 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]

• ... that Horkstow Bridge (pictured) in North Lincolnshire, completed in 1836, is one of "only a handfull" [sic] of early suspension bridges to remain as originally designed?

• ALT1:... that Horkstow Bridge (pictured) in North Lincolnshire, completed in 1836, is the only suspension bridge designed by Sir John Rennie, builder of London Bridge?

Created by Struway2 (talk). Self nom at 22:31, 27 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Nice. Length and age are good, as are references. I would go with ALT1. -Kieran (talk) 01:24, 29 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]

• ... that Urdu poet Faiz Ahmed Faiz was suspected of involvement in the first of several military coup attempts in Pakistan?

Created by S h i v a (Visnu) (talk). Self nom at 21:23, 27 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]

• ... that Irish business man and philanthropist Bill Cullen bought the rights to distribute Renault cars in Ireland for just IR£1 in 1986?

5x expanded by GainLine (talk). Self nom at 21:01, 27 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]

• ALT 1 ... that Bill Cullen took the Guinness World Record for the largest ever book signing in Easons, O’Connell Street on 16th April 2005 by signing 1849 copies of his self help book Golden Apples?

• ... that Tacchi Venturi, the personal liaison between Mussolini and the popes, was the architect of the Lateran Treaty, which created Vatican City and made Catholicism the state religion of Italy?

Created by Savidan (talk). Self nom at 20:54, 27 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]

• ... that Wong Fu Productions does not make a profit from the short films it produces?

Created by Arsonal (talk). Self nom at 19:42, 27 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]

• Ready to go up. Well done. Tiamut^talk 21:33, 1 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]

• ... that the Lhasa Brewery Company, which produces Tibetan beer is the highest commercial brewery in the world?

Created by Himalayan Explorer (talk). Self nom at 16:30, 27 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]

• Good to go. Nice work. Tiamut^talk 21:31, 1 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]

• ... that the 1976 aviation accident occurring on Turkish Airlines Flight 452, causing the death of 154 people, is the worst to have happened in Turkey?

Created by CeeGee (talk). Self nom at 14:54, 27 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]

• Hook makes no sense. The accident didn't occur on the plane, the plane crashed. I suggest ALT 2: ... that the 1976 crash of Turkish Airlines Flight 452, resulting in the death of 154 people, is the worst accident in Turkish aviation history? LargoLarry (talk) 18:12, 27 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]

• Do we mean the "aircraft" when we say "flight"? I mean "the accident occurred on the flight", which is for my POV the correct expression. However, I am eager to be tought. Besides, it is not the worst accident in Turkish aviation history, because the crash of Turkish Airlines Flight 981, which occurred in France, caused the death of 346 people. The accident of Turkish Airlines Flight 452 is the worst aviation accident in Turkey. Please recheck. CeeGee (talk) 17:41, 28 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]

• In aviation parlance, "Flight 452" refers to the aircraft itself, as in "We can't find Flight 452 on our radar" or "Flight 452 will be arriving 15 minutes early." If you say an accident occured on Flight 452, it sounds like the flight attendant spilled coffee on someone's lap or a passenger was hit on the head by a piece of luggage that fell out of the overhead bin. As far as my thinking the accident was the worst in Turkish aviation history, this misunderstanding was due to the sentence "It is Turkey's all times worst aviation accident," which does not necessarily mean it was the worst accident ever within the borders of Turkey, which is what you meant to say. I think it's simply a matter of wording things to make them as clear and as accurate as possible. I made a few minor changes to the article lead so the facts are clear.
• ALT 3: ... that the 1976 crash of Turkish Airlines Flight 452, resulting in the death of 154 people, is the all-time worst aviation accident on Turkish soil?
• ALT 4: ... that the 1976 crash of Turkish Airlines Flight 452, resulting in the death of 154 people, was due to pilot error? LargoLarry (talk) 13:14, 29 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]

• Thank you very much indeed for clarification. I would prefer "ALT 3" with a tiny modification like this:

ALT 3A: ... that the 1976 crash of Turkish Airlines Flight 452, resulting in the death of 154 people, is the all-time worst aviation accident in Turkey? CeeGee (talk) 18:29, 29 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]

• ... that the brilliantly-coloured blue and black neon cuckoo bee of Australia is a parasite of the Blue banded bee?

Created by Casliber (talk). Self nom at 13:38, 27 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]

• Good to go (just) on exactly 1500 characters! Smartse (talk) 23:46, 27 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]

• ... that Phuntsok Wangyal, a progressive pro-Communist Tibetan who founded the Tibetan Communist Party, once taught at Tromzikhang in Barkhor, Lhasa?

Created by Himalayan Explorer (talk). Self nom at 12:24, 27 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]

• ... that the rapid automatized naming of objects, pictures and colors in pre-literate children predicts their later success in learning to read?

Created by LittleHow (talk). Self nom at 09:56, 27 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]

• New article, passes DYKcheck, good to go. Smartse (talk) 15:14, 29 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]

• ... that the 1974 floods along the Finke River in Australia's Northern Territory resulted in the dramatic spread of the introduced Athel Tamarisk (T. aphylla) through the desert?

5x expanded by Casliber (talk). Self nom at 07:02, 27 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]

• Good to go but there are a couple of paragraphs that aren't referenced. Could this be rectified? Smartse (talk) 15:31, 29 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]

• added some so every para has at least one. Casliber (talk · contribs) 11:34, 30 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]

• ... that for the score of the Prince of Persia, composer Inon Zur combined classical orchestral music with Arabic flutes and the woodwind duduk (pictured)?

5x expanded by Casliber (talk). Self nom at 04:32, 27 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]

• ... that Women of the Sun was the first Australian television series to portray the lives of Aboriginal women in 19th century Australia?

Created by 72.74.196.197 (talk). Nominated by Someguy1221 (talk) at 04:10, 27 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]

• Ready to go. hamiltonstone (talk) 23:28, 30 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]

• ... that former State Representative Taylor Townsend of Natchitoches, Louisiana, was defeated in 2007 for the state senate by the first yet Long family candidate running as a Republican?

Created by Billy Hathorn (talk). Self nom at 04:30, 2 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]

• ... that Gibraltar's National Day is celebrated every 10 September by releasing 30,000 red and white balloons which represent the people of Gibraltar?

Created by Gibmetal77 (talk). Self nom at 21:00, 30 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]

• Looks good.--LAAFan^sign _review 23:27, 30 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]

• ... that the Christian Byzantine Emperor Leo V performed pagan rituals in Constantinople at the signing of a peace treaty in 815 with the Bulgarians?

Created by Gligan (talk). Nominated by PFHLai (talk) at 08:19, 30 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]

• ... that Llandovery Bank, established in Wales in 1799, was locally known as the "Black Ox Bank" because it issued banknotes bearing a black ox?

Created by Vouliagmeni (talk). Nominated by PFHLai (talk) at 07:53, 30 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]

• ... that the leader of the Bund and organizer of the Jewish Anti-Fascist Committee, Victor Alter, was executed on Stalin’s orders, which provoked an international outcry of protest?

• Comment: I'd make this one and Henryk Ehrlich a two for one but I have no idea how to do that.

Created by Radeksz (talk). Self nom at 08:12, 29 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]

• ... that in 1991, Victor Erlich, the grandson of Henryk Ehrlich, was informed that his father, a Jewish Bund leader who had been executed on Stalin’s orders, had been "rehabilitated"?

Created by Radeksz (talk). Self nom at 08:07, 29 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]

• ... that the former Union Mill Complex (pictured) in Ballston Spa, New York, has been used to make textiles, paper bags and chocolate?

Created by Daniel Case (talk). Self nom at 19:43, 28 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]

• ... that Nikolai Militov and Makary Ivanov of the Holy Assumption of the Virgin Mary Church (pictured) in Kenai, Alaska, travelled the Kenai Peninsula and vaccinated thousands of Alaskan natives from smallpox?

Created/expanded by Grsz11 (talk). Self nom at 14:24, 28 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]

• ALT ... that Orthodox churches in Russian Alaska like Holy Assumption of the Virgin Mary Church (pictured) served as a means to assimilate the native Alaskans to the Russian culture? Grsz¹¹ 00:32, 29 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]

• The hook source is pretty long. It's the National Park Service reference, section 8, "Statement of Significance". Grsz¹¹ 14:12, 30 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]

• The original nomination was better because it was objective and stuck to the facts. This version is subjective and sounds very loaded to me. —gorgan_almighty (talk) 09:58, 2 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]

• Not really. It's all fact. At that time the natives in that region went to Russian churches and Russian schools. Even today, the Dena'ina make up a majority of the Orthodox population in the region. Grsz¹¹ 14:16, 2 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]

• What you just stated may well be fact (and could even be a possible DYK), but your ALT suggestion above is a loaded POV based on that fact. Your use of the word "assimilate" makes that particularly evident. You turned a DYK nomination about humanitarian efforts to save lives into an ALT about assimilation and implied domination. —gorgan_almighty (talk) 15:18, 2 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]

• No, I never said anything about domination. Cultural assimilation isn't necessarily forced, read the article on it. Is there a better word you would prefer? Grsz¹¹ 15:25, 2 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]

• ... that after a fanatical evangelist prays for a fire to destroy a saloon run by The Lady of Red Butte (pictured), a fire sweeps through the town, leaving only the saloon unharmed?

Created by Cbl62 (talk). Self nom at 16:10, 27 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]

• This hook is written about a work of fiction but from an in-universe perspective. Under the additional rules, that kind of hook would not normally be used. The hook needs to be true from the point of view of the real world. --Metropolitan90 (talk) 22:08, 27 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]

• You're right. It was not a very good hook. Here's an alt hook that I think is better.

• alt 1 ... that a fire "fanned into a fury by three huge wind machines" destroyed a two-block western set as 200 players acted scenes and seven cameras shot the action for The Lady of Red Butte? Cbl62 (talk) 06:42, 30 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]

• ... that husband and wife Heinrich Vogl and Therese Vogl created the roles of the incestuous lovers Siegmund and Siegfried in Richard Wagner's Die Walküre on June 26, 1870?

Created by Rlendog (talk). Self nom at 13:57, 27 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]

• ... that The Other Economic Summit (TOES) was first held in 1984 and called for the system of global economic governance to be democratised?

Created by SasiSasi (talk). Self nom at 12:18, 27 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]

• ... that Wagon Tracks starring William S. Hart (pictured) was hailed as a "masterpiece" and Hollywood's "greatest desert epic"?

Created by Cbl62 (talk). Self nom at 07:56, 27 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]

• ... that the pulcinello of the Hamburg Police has educated children in road traffic safety since 1948?

Created by Sebastian scha. (talk). Self nom at 07:16, 27 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]

• ... that The Coronas had to be escorted out of the building after being mobbed by their fans following a performance at The Music Show in 2008?

Created by Candlewicke (talk). Self-nom at 03:49, 27 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]

• ... that the French politician Jean Fontenoy, initially a communist, later a fascist, was once rumored to have had an affair with Soong May-ling, the wife of the Chinese leader Chiang Kai-shek?

Created by Keresaspa (talk). Nominated by Carabinieri (talk) at 01:54, 27 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]

• Rumors of extramarital affairs are normally unsuitable for DYK. A "subject of gossip campaign" would sound better, but, you have to provide details in the article on that campaign (so that we could decide whether it is notable for a DYK hook). Materialscientist (talk) 11:43, 30 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]

• Being the "subject of a gossip campaign" and "being rumored" is the same thing. What do you mean by "decide whether it is notable for a DYK hook"?--Carabinieri (talk) 12:43, 30 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Example. If it were rumors which did not pretend to be credible then it is not for DYK. If it was something like a media campaign, which pretended to be true and aimed to discredit the subject then it might be notable. In any case, the hook issue needs a clear description in the article. Materialscientist (talk) 22:52, 30 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Yeah, I guess you're right. I don't know if the source elaborates on that point at all. I don't think the article has any other usable facts, so I guess this nomination is dead.--Carabinieri (talk) 20:32, 2 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]

• ... that the Belgian-born Dutch politician Robert van Genechten collaborated with the German occupiers in Belgium during World War I and in the Netherlands during the Second World War?

Created by Keresaspa (talk). Nominated by Carabinieri (talk) at 01:50, 27 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]

• ... that amateur telescope maker Robert E. Cox helped make the first live coverage of a solar eclipse?

Created by GHJmover (talk). Nominated by Secret Saturdays (talk) at 01:08, 27 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]

• Hook is unreferenced in the article and is unclear (both here and in the article): helped how? Materialscientist (talk) 11:47, 27 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]
• Hook is now referenced. GHJmover (talk) 12:45, 27 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]

  but 2nd question remains. Materialscientist (talk) 09:38, 28 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]

• ... that university president of Northwest Missouri State University Dean L. Hubbard is responsible for creating the first electronic campus in the U.S.?

Created by Americasroof (talk). Nominated by Secret Saturdays (talk) at 00:59, 27 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]

• ... that the Stone Bridge was built by the United States Army in 1867 to cross the Warner wetlands near Hart Mountain in Lake County, Oregon?

Created by Orygun (talk). Self nom at 23:38, 26 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]

• ALT ... that the Stone Bridge near Hart Mountain in Lake County, Oregon, is completely underwater? Aboutmovies (talk) 07:25, 28 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]

• Offline refs AGF, date and length are fine. ≈ Chamal ^talk ¤ 16:24, 2 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]

• ... that opera singer Gary Lakes played defensive tackle as a high school football player?

Created by Rlendog (talk). Self nom at 20:27, 26 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]

• Length, date and source for hook verified. —mattisse (Talk) 00:08, 27 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]

• Original hook is boring. I suggest ALT 2: ... that Gary Lakes became an opera singer because a cracked vertebra sustained as a high school football defensive tackle derailed his plans for a sports career? LargoLarry (talk) 18:22, 27 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]
  • I don't have a problem with the ALT2. Rlendog (talk) 16:31, 29 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]

• ... that in the 1861 Tsushima Incident Japanese warships (pictured) failed to repel a Russian naval intrusion and had to be helped by the Royal Navy?

Created by PHG (talk). Self nom at 19:25, 26 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]

• It's called the Royal Navy, not British Navy. David Underdown (talk) 15:06, 29 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]

•  Done Corrected, thanks. PHG ^{Per Honor et Gloria} 18:55, 29 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]

• ... that Khwaja Ahmad Abbas's 1963 film, Shehar Aur Sapna, won both the President's Gold Medal Award and the National Film Award for Best Film as well as a Filmfare Best Supporting Actor Award for actor Nana Palsikar?

Created by Shshshsh (talk) and Himalayan Explorer (talk). Nominated by Himalayan Explorer (talk) at 16:14, 26 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]

• Hook has 212 characters when max is around 200, according to DYK rules. —mattisse (Talk) 19:13, 26 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]

• alt hook ... that Indian director Khwaja Ahmad Abbas's film, Shehar Aur Sapna, won the National Film Award for Best Film as well as Filmfare Best Supporting Actor Award for Hindi actor Nana Palsikar in 1964?

• Length and date of article verified. This hook is shorter (193 characters) and sources for hook verified. —mattisse (Talk) 18:58, 26 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]

• alt hook2 ... that the Indian film Shehar Aur Sapna, a love story set in a drain pipe, won the National Film Award for Best Film and Filmfare Best Supporting Actor Award for Hindi actor Nana Palsikar in 1964? (194 characters) Source for hook verified. —mattisse (Talk) 19:13, 26 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]

The film is a 1963 film, why have you changed this. As pretty normal with film awards the film was awarded the following year in 1964. Danny Boyle's film for instance was released in 2008 but one an Oscar in 2009.19:24, 26 September 2009 (UTC)

I changed it to try to match the sources given for the article. You are (of course) free to change it, but please make sure the reference citations back up what you say in the article, including dates. Thanks! Regards, —mattisse (Talk) 19:39, 26 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]

The awards for these particular films were given two years later (1962, first award; 1965, second award). It often happens when a film does not get a wide release at the beginning. So the award years should be precise. As for the films - the year of release, that's what matters. For the record, sources should back up claims, not claims the sources. Shahid • ^Talk2me 19:58, 26 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]

No, the other way around, per WP:V and WP:RS are the standards for referencing. Regards, —mattisse (Talk) 20:02, 26 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]

That's actually what the policies support. The awards for Shehar Aur Sapna were given to him in the year 1965, not 64. Shahid • ^Talk2me 21:45, 30 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]

• ... that the first building designed by Richard Rogers in Wales was the Inmos microprocessor factory in Newport?

• ALT1:... that the Inmos microprocessor factory in Newport was the first building in Wales designed by Richard Rogers?

Created by Seth Whales (talk). Self nom at 13:09, 26 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]

• ... that Cranbury Park (pictured) near Winchester, England, was the home of the astronomer, Sir Isaac Newton?

Created by Daemonic Kangaroo (talk). Self nom at 07:11, 26 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]

• ALT: ... that Isaac Newton lived in Cranbury Park (pictured) near Winchester, England? --74.14.17.249 (talk) 20:15, 26 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]

• ... that the 58-foot (18 m) motor yacht Sundowner, manned by Charles Lightoller, his son Roger, and a Sea Scout called Gerald, evacuated 130 men from Dunkirk?

5x expanded by Dawkeye (talk). Self nom at 16:31, 26 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]

• ... that the early photographer Reverend George Wilson Bridges's publisher was found guilty of publishing his libels?

Created by Victuallers (talk). Self nom at 21:23, 28 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]

• ... that Bruce Spizer, a New Orleans tax attorney, wrote 2,592 questions for a special Beatles edition of Trivial Pursuit?

• ALT1:... that Bruce Spizer, a New Orleans tax attorney, has written seven books about The Beatles?

Created by Arxiloxos (talk). Self nom at 21:06, 28 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]

• First hook verified, which I prefer. The 2nd hook's supporting reference says he wrote 6 books; I know the 7th book was published after the NYT article, but I can't find a reference. --Bruce1ee^talk 08:34, 1 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Thank you. I also prefer the first hook. As to the second, now that you point it out, I see the potential ambiguity: the NYT article refers to six books but then lists all seven, including the then-unreleased seventh one. The recent Times-Picayune article states, "Because Spizer wrote the book about the Mop Tops. In fact, he wrote seven." (But it doesn't list them all.) I'll add additional footnotes (including one to Spizer's website to confirm that the seventh book was actually released), but as far as the DYK is concerned, I agree that the first hook is the way to go.--Arxiloxos (talk) 16:55, 1 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]

• ... that W. S. Gilbert's 1878 play The Ne'er-do-Weel was so poorly received by the critics that he was forced to rewrite and restage it as The Vagabond?

Created by Jack1956 (talk) and Ssilvers (talk). Nom by Jack1956 at 15:48, 28 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]

• ALT: ... that W. S. Gilbert's 1878 play The Ne'er-do-Weel was the second that he wrote for actor E. A. Sothern, who did not appear in either. -- Ssilvers (talk) 05:43, 29 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]

• Fine work. Good to go. Offline sources taken in good faith.--Wehwalt (talk) 01:47, 3 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]

• ... that before taking Charles Darwin to South America as captain of HMS Beagle, Robert FitzRoy visited the Galápagos Islands a decade earlier as a midshipman aboard HMS Owen Glendower (pictured)?

• Comment: Footnotes pending. --PFHLai (talk) 18:41, 27 September 2009 (UTC) I'm happy with the footnote and the referencing. --PFHLai (talk) 04:51, 28 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Created by Acad Ronin (talk). Nominated by PFHLai (talk) at 18:41, 27 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]

• Nice article - well nominated PFHLai - Life of Fitzroy looks like a good read Victuallers (talk) 13:46, 29 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Thank you, Victuallers. BTW, the page has moved from "HMS Owen Glendower" to "HMS Owen Glendower (1808)", and I've updated the links in the hook and the wikicodes of DYK templates. --PFHLai (talk) 01:30, 30 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]

• ... that the Finnish chemist Edvard Hjelt (pictured) organized the training of a infantry unit later used in the Finnish Civil War in 1918?

5x expanded by Stone (talk). Self nom at 17:24, 27 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]

• Please provide in-line references covering every non-trivial paragraph (except for lead). Materialscientist (talk) 11:24, 1 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]

• Made it for every paragraph, I hope this is sufficient.--Stone (talk) 12:06, 1 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]

  It is. Date, length, refs, fact verified. Materialscientist (talk) 06:13, 2 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]

• ... that the Mahiyangana Raja Maha Vihara is one of the Solosmasthana, the 16 religious sites in Sri Lanka that Buddhists believe to have been hallowed by visits of Gautama Buddha?

5x expanded by Chamal N (talk). Self nom at 14:52, 27 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]

• I've made this into a double article hook, with the new article Mahiyangana Raja Maha Vihara also added to the nom. ≈ Chamal ^talk ¤ 03:55, 30 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]

• ... that a legend ties the name of the late Roman Elenska Basilica in central western Bulgaria to deer sacrifice which predated its construction?

Created by TodorBozhinov (talk). Self nom at 13:22, 27 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]

• ... that James Fenimore Cooper supposedly wrote some of The Last of the Mohicans during his stay at Brookside (pictured) in Ballston Spa, New York?

Created by Daniel Case (talk). Self nom at 05:43, 27 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]

• ... that Dutch rocker Wally Tax learned English before he was 11, so he could be a more effective pimp to American sailors in the Port of Amsterdam?

Created by Drmies (talk). Self nom at 13:09, 26 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]

• ... that Julius Anton Glaser's 1873 code of criminal procedure was the first to introduce trial by jury in Austria?

Created by Sandstein (talk). Self nom at 07:31, 26 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]

• Offline ref AGF. ≈ Chamal ^talk ¤ 16:29, 2 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]

• ... that National Football League offensive tackle Jake Long was hospitalized in intensive care for smoke inhalation while in college?

5x expanded by TonyTheTiger (talk). Self nom at 06:54, 26 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]

• Very uninteresting hook, especially considering the length of the article. Materialscientist (talk) 11:56, 27 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]

• I am expanding the article. In the next few days, I may find something more interesting. I also may tinker with the hook since he was unconscious for days and had tubes helping him breath.--TonyTheTiger (t/c/bio/WP:CHICAGO/WP:LOTM) 16:58, 27 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]

• (alt)... that although Jake Long has always been an offensive lineman, he scored four touchdowns in high school?--TonyTheTiger (t/c/bio/WP:CHICAGO/WP:LOTM) 15:58, 1 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]

• ... that Jean de La Forêt was the first French ambassador to the Ottoman Empire in 1534, and that he negotiated in 1536 a Franco-Ottoman treaty of alliance (Letter of Suleiman to Francis I pictured)?

Created by PHG (talk). Self nom at 05:09, 26 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]

• Excellent work. Good to go. hamiltonstone (talk) 23:35, 30 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]

• ... that nine years before being cast as the heartless J. Homer Bedloe on CBS's Petticoat Junction, Charles Lane appeared as a hard-nosed newspaper editor in Peter Lawford's short-lived NBC sitcom, Dear Phoebe?

Created by Billy Hathorn (talk). Self nom at 04:55, 26 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]

• ... that despite efforts of fledgling writers Norman Lear and Larry Gelbart, Celeste Holm bombed after only eight episodes in her 1954 CBS sitcom Honestly, Celeste!?

Created by Billy Hathorn (talk). Self nom at 05:07, 26 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]

• ... that Ricks Spring has been a recreation area since the 19th century, but cave divers didn't enter it until the 21st?

• Comment: I'm not sure that hook is the best written ever.

Created by Miami33139 (talk). Self nom at 03:33, 26 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]

• ... that Brad Lidge (pictured) won the MLB Comeback Player of the Year Award, Rolaids Relief Man Award, DHL Delivery Man Award, and placed fourth in Cy Young Award voting all in the 2008 season?

5x expanded by Staxringold (talk). Self nom at 01:01, 26 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]

• Note For DYK reviewer. I believe this qualifies via 5x expansion, but I need your opinion. The original article was created ages ago but was wildly incorrect, combining the TSN award and the MLB award incorrectly. The fixed version by Killervogel5 was 2522 bytes, and following my revision it is at 14,866 bytes. Staxringold _talk^contribs 01:04, 26 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]

• Unfortunately, I don't believe we can count the text within the tables toward the minimum prose requirement of 1500 characters. The page size tool doesn't include the tables and so it reports the article's length at 1104 characters. --Metropolitan90 (talk) 03:32, 26 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]

I agree, but for a different reason. There are about 3000 bytes of text in the table that we don't count, so we might count that for 400 more characters. But it isn't 5x. F2 makes it clear that "wildly incorrect" doesn't count. It's the prose portion, not the entire article, that has to expand 5 times. So it expanded from 780 to 1104. Only by counting nearly all the text in the table as prose would it make 5x. So I don't predict it will be approved (I don't do approvals). 5x780-1104=2796 more bytes of prose as defined above (not tables or list) would take the article beyond the gray area. Art LaPella (talk) 03:43, 26 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]

• ... that the 1703 Apennine earthquakes were a sequence of three magnitude ≥6 events in the central Italian Apennines that progressed southwards 36 km over 19 days, killing at least 10,000 people?

Created by Mikenorton (talk). Self nom at 21:32, 25 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]

• How about trimming it? ... that the 1703 Apennine earthquakes, in the central Italian Apennines, progressed southwards 36 km over 19 days, killing at least 10,000 people? Law _{type! snype?} 07:49, 28 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]

• I would prefer to keep the magnitudes, but I could use M_s rather than magnitude and make it ... that the three M_s≥6 1703 Apennine earthquakes, in the central Italian Apennines, progressed southwards 36 km over 19 days, killing at least 10,000 people?, but I'm not sure that's any better. Mikenorton (talk) 16:25, 28 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]

• ... that National Prayer Network founder Ted Pike has appeared on The Political Cesspool, the Jeff Rense program, and Hesham Tillawi's radio show, Current Issues?

Created by Stonemason89 (talk). Self nom at 20:48, 25 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Here are some other hooks you could use instead if you prefer:

Hook2: "... that the National Prayer Network has published video called Shaking Campus Liberalism: How Christian Students Defied the Pro-Gay Faculty…and Won!?

Hook3: "... that the Clackamas, Oregon-based National Prayer Network is now run by Ted Pike, but was originally founded in 1979 by Ted's late father Claude Pike? Stonemason89 (talk) 00:29, 26 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]

• This is currently up for AfD.--Arxiloxos (talk) 04:11, 26 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]
• Not enough prose. Law _{type! snype?} 07:43, 28 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]

• ... that the balangay was used in the Philippines to trade goods, like this statue of Avalokiteśvara (pictured), with the empire of Srivijaya?

Created by Lovebus (talk). --> Nominated by ᜊᜓᜅ ᜅ᜔ ᜑᜎᜋᜅ᜔ ᜋᜑᜒᜏᜄ (ᜂᜐᜉ)^Baybayin 21:05, 25 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]

• (i) Most refs are either incomplete, bare-url or non-reliable. (ii) The article reads "Goods, such as the statue of Avalokiteśvara and the Golden Tara of Butuan, were vital products traded across the Malay Archipelago" (?!?) and this reflects into this hook. The supporting ref doesn't seem to confirm that, and it is really hard to believe that the unique statue shown was a regular and vital trade object. Materialscientist (talk) 12:11, 27 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Several objects like that have been found al over the Malay Archipelago so it's pretty common but I won't argue.--ᜊᜓᜅ ᜅ᜔ ᜑᜎᜋᜅ᜔ ᜋᜑᜒᜏᜄ (ᜂᜐᜉ)^Baybayin 17:42, 30 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]

• Don't know who's rated that article but it's never B-class. -- BigDom 12:22, 27 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]

ALT 1

• ... that people of Austronesian origin traveled in and around the Philippine Islands using balangays, which were eventually used to trade with the Srivijayan empire?--ᜊᜓᜅ ᜅ᜔ ᜑᜎᜋᜅ᜔ ᜋᜑᜒᜏᜄ (ᜂᜐᜉ)^Baybayin 12:47, 30 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]

  Better, but refs issue is still not rectified - bare urls and unreliable sources. Many refs. (including the supporting ref. 1) are private, tourist-related sites, and not a historical authority. Materialscientist (talk) 00:33, 1 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]

FYI User who nominated Balangay to DYK modified a re-assessed the article without consulting the WikiProject involved. WP:PINOY was not contacted or called somebody who are "in-charge" of the re-assessment. Per WP:PINOY guidelines in re-assessing articles, "Any participant of the Tambayan Philippines is free to add—or change—the rating of an article. If you want to request that an article be rated, please suggest it at the talk page. If you don't agree with a rating, you can also request that it be reassessed at the talk page." (see here).--JL 09 _^q?c 18:04, 30 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]

This is not a DYK issue. Materialscientist (talk) 00:33, 1 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Re: to Materialscientist. I added a fact based on BigDoom's comment. Thanks.--JL 09 _^q?c 07:36, 1 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]

I've added some reliable sources, mostly about the lead, could you check them, thanks.--ᜊᜓᜅ ᜅ᜔ ᜑᜎᜋᜅ᜔ ᜋᜑᜒᜏᜄ (ᜂᜐᜉ)^Baybayin 06:12, 1 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Better, but not there yet. We require the content of every paragraph to be covered by at least one reliable-source reference, which is far from the case. (note I've kept ref. 1 for now, but it is actually a blog, i.e. not a reliable source). Materialscientist (talk) 11:12, 1 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Is it fine now?--ᜊᜓᜅ ᜅ᜔ ᜑᜎᜋᜅ᜔ ᜋᜑᜒᜏᜄ (ᜂᜐᜉ)^Baybayin 16:27, 1 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]

It is Ok for DYK, but I would recommend further quality improvement. Materialscientist (talk) 06:22, 2 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]

• ... that Bank Indonesia Governor J. Soedradjad Djiwandono was not officially informed of his dismissal from office in 1998 until six days after President Suharto's decree?

Created by Arsonal (talk). Self nom at 17:45, 25 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]

• ... that wine produced from grapes grown in Washington, California, Chile, Argentina and South Africa can be labeled "Cellared in Canada" and sold as Canadian wine?

5x expanded by Agne27 (talk). Self nom at 17:35, 25 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]

• ... that Tutinama is a collection of 52 Persian stories narrated through a parrot to prevent his owner (pictured) from committing adultery while her husband was away on business affairs?

• Comment: Stub article expanded by more than five times

Created/expanded by Nvvchar (talk). Self nom at 14:27, 25 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]

• ... that Peter Rosted served as chief judge at Inderøy District Court (pictured) for 46 years, from 1733 to 1776?

Created by Arsenikk (talk). Self nom at 13:23, 25 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]

• ... that the Great Western Railway built three different stations to serve the town of Wootton Bassett in just 63 years?

Created by Geof Sheppard (talk). Self nom at 13:00, 25 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]

• ... that professional wrestler Misterioso, Jr. teamed with Perro Aguayo, Jr. to win the 2006 Gran Alternativa tournament?

Created by MPJ-DK (talk). Self nom at 12:11, 25 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]

• ... that the American progressive rock/avant-jazz group The Muffins were influenced by the English Canterbury scene?

Created by Bruce1ee (talk). Self nom at 06:39, 25 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]

• ... that Gina Krog and Hagbard Emanuel Berner founded the Norwegian Association for Women's Rights in 1884?

Created by Oceanh (talk). Self nom at 01:29, 30 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]

• ... that Paul L. Foshee, who served in both houses of the Louisiana State Legislature, is a retired crop duster from Natchitoches who holds a patent on an airplane mount bracket?

Created by Billy Hathorn (talk). Self nom at 20:53, 29 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]

• ... that Byne's disease ("infected" bivalve shell pictured) attacks shells of molluscs that are in storage?

Created by Daniel Cavallari (talk). Nominated by Snek01 (talk) at 10:42, 29 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Or slightly rewritten: 

• Alt 1: ... that Byne's disease (pictured) is not actually a disease, but a chemical reaction that attacks shells in storage or on display?

Invertzoo (talk) 14:24, 29 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]

• ... that 51 Ophiuchi has a disk of dust and gas that is likely a planetary system in the late stages of formation?

Created by Mkuchner (talk). Nominated by Bender235 (talk) at 10:54, 26 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]

• At under 1,000 characters, this article is too short for DYK. Also, the first paragraph appears to be unreferenced.--Carabinieri (talk) 00:50, 30 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]

• I have supplied the omitted reference and expanded to 1500 characters. Is now good to go. hamiltonstone (talk) 00:40, 1 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]

• ... that Ray Milland starred in the 1953–1955 CBS sitcom, Meet Mr. McNutley, the story of a sometimes absent-minded college professor at a women's college?

Created by Billy Hathorn (talk). Self nom at 05:22, 26 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]

ALT ... that after Walt Disney saw child actor David Stollery in an episode of CBS's The Ray Milland Show, he signed him to play Marty in the serial, The Adventures of Spin and Marty?

• ... that Rabbi Wolfe Kelman prepared the way for the rabbinic ordination of women in Conservative Judaism and his daughter Naamah Kelman was the first woman in Israel ordained by the Reform Judaism movement?

Created by Alansohn (talk). Self nom at 21:14, 25 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]

• ... that the cryptographic primitives CAST-128, CAST-256, Grain, and HAVAL were all designed using bent functions for cryptographic security?

Created by Ntsimp (talk). Self nom at 16:17, 25 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]

• ... that the married Western Ukrainian Clergy became a hereditary caste that dominated western Ukrainian society?

Created by Faustian (Faustian). Nominated by Self-nominated (self-nominated) at 14:19, 25 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]

• ... that the Klamath Diversion in the 1960s would have involved diverting the entire Klamath River to the Central Valley and Southern California?

Created by Shannon^talk _contribs ^sign!_:) 04:16, 25 September 2009 (UTC). Self nom at 04:15, 25 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]

• (checked using DYKcheck) Everything checks out, assuming good faith with offline ref. --Dylan620 (contribs, logs, review) 22:26, 30 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]

• ... that in 2007, Rachel Robinson (pictured, center), the wife of Jackie Robinson, was the first non-player to be presented with Major League Baseball's Commissioner's Historic Achievement Award?

5x expanded by Killervogel5 (talk). Self nom at 02:06, 25 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]

• Expansion, date, fact Ok. Materialscientist (talk) 06:49, 1 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]

• ... that between the 19th and 20th century, rural population of Germany declined from 75% to 35%?

Created by Piotrus (talk). Self nom at 22:38, 24 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]

• Below 1,500 characters. Also, I don't really understand the need for this article, as its title is merely translation of "rural flight", which already has an article.--Carabinieri (talk) 01:06, 30 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]

  Agree with Carabinieri above. Materialscientist (talk) 06:44, 1 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]

• ... that over 600 people helped write the Encyclopedia of Chicago?

Created by TonyTheTiger (talk). Self nom at 20:58, 24 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]

• (alt)... that the Encyclopedia of Chicago was one of the bestsellers in the Chicago metropolitan area during the 2004 Christmas holiday season?--TonyTheTiger (t/c/bio/WP:CHICAGO/WP:LOTM) 21:01, 24 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]
• (alt2)... that the Electronic version of the Encyclopedia of Chicago was the second extensive Internet encyclopedia dedicated to the history of a U.S. city?--TonyTheTiger (t/c/bio/WP:CHICAGO/WP:LOTM) 04:58, 25 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]
• (alt3)... that the Electronic version of the Encyclopedia of Chicago would have required 10,000 pages to produce in hardcover format?--TonyTheTiger (t/c/bio/WP:CHICAGO/WP:LOTM) 04:58, 25 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]
• ALT 4: ... that the Encyclopedia of Chicago is the result of a ten-year collaboration between the Newberry Library and the Chicago Historical Society? LargoLarry (talk) 17:20, 27 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]

• I don't see anything spectacular about ALT4.--TonyTheTiger (t/c/bio/WP:CHICAGO/WP:LOTM) 01:52, 29 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]

• ... that the Microsoft Courier tablet PC prototype is a favorite of Microsoft founder Bill Gates?

Created by Blaxthos (talk). Self nom at 06:40, 3 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]

• Article is too old (9 days), additionally the article is only 1208 characters of prose (requirement is 1500) and labeled as a stub. –Katerenka (talk • contribs) 06:42, 3 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]

• ... that the Eparchaean Unconformity in India is a fault plane between Proterozoic Nagari Quartzites and Archaean granite with a time gap of 500 million years between the two formations?

Created/expanded by Nvvchar (talk). Self nom at 09:20, 23 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]

• Boldly corrected the hook - this one got deleted (I think) in error Victuallers (talk) 20:05, 30 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]

• i think this will get sorted out, but one of the lead sentences has raised some problems which I have flagged with the article creator. Once that is copyedited for clarity i hope this will be OK to go. hamiltonstone (talk) 23:58, 30 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]

• Please see my reply in my talk page.--Nvvchar (talk) 01:33, 1 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]

• Thanks - copyedit issue has been dealt with; a fact issue is still outstanding. Nominator has been advised. Issues are being resolved OK so far. hamiltonstone (talk) 01:37, 1 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]

• Online refs OK (though one appears to contain a significant typo, which led to an age gap of 800 rather than 500 being quoted in the first draft of the hook - and article). Offline AGF. Copyedited the main issues. Now good to go. hamiltonstone (talk) 02:37, 1 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]

• Thank you very much.--Nvvchar (talk) 02:45, 1 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]

It's not obvious to me how this unconformity is also a fault. Mikenorton (talk) 16:33, 1 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Forgive me if I'm teaching you to suck eggs but in geography/plate tectonics a "crack" between plates is a "fault" and its an "unconformity" in the rock structure .... oh and if you are reading this and you are a Ph.d in geography then forgive that explanation Victuallers (talk) 20:29, 1 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Fault (geology) linked in hook. In fact he has a PhD in geology per user page, so the question better be answered. Johnbod (talk) 01:35, 2 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]

• Please see my reply on my talk page.--Nvvchar (talk) 04:52, 2 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]

• And see my further comment in the same place, I would be happy with a change from "is a fault plane" to "is a major discontinuity".

also the granite is not archean if it's 2100 Ma, that's early Proterozoic. Mikenorton (talk) 07:08, 2 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Since I am a civil engineer working with geologists on projects in Himalayas, I accept your valued suggestions as a geologist. I am making the necessary change in the artcile.--Nvvchar (talk) 14:47, 2 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]

On the issue of Archaean age please some extracts from the GSI document and map given in the talk page for you take a view.--Nvvchar (talk) 07:55, 3 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]

• ... that the Otter Centre was presented at the 2006 Football World Cup?

Created by Bermicourt (talk). Nominated by Secret Saturdays (talk) at 04:48, 25 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]

• Nice hook and article, but no inline citations at all. Fails criteria 3. Nominator informed. Sebastian scha. (talk) 15:19, 29 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]

• Creator has been notified about the problem. Gatoclass (talk) 08:11, 1 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]

• ... the Christian music industry was the fastest growing segment of the music industry in the 1990s?

5x expanded by DantheCowMan (talk). Self nom at 06:13, 24 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]

• I don't get what exactly distinguishes the topic of this article from Christian music and Contemporary Christian music. We also don't have both an article about the rock music industry or the pop music industry; those are adequately covered in rock music and pop music respectively.--Carabinieri (talk) 13:36, 30 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]

  Visually, this article looks much better than Christian music and Contemporary Christian music, and the nominator hasn't created Christian music industry, but expanded it. I believe (s)he's done good job on that and it is not a DYK issue to sort out redundancy (which could be rather a split-off against article overload). Materialscientist (talk) 07:15, 1 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]

• Can't find this fact. Shoemaker's Holiday ^{Over 209 FCs served} 16:25, 30 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]

  I pressed <CTRL-F> with "fastest" and quickly found. Expansion, date Ok. Can't check the ref but might agree on AGF. No clear decision, but rather Yes than No. Materialscientist (talk) 07:15, 1 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]

  • I mean I cannot find it in the sources. Shoemaker's Holiday ^{Over 210 FCs served} 11:37, 1 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]

What, you happen to have access to a copy of the 1997 CCM Magazine issue, and it isn't in there? This is not an online source. Johnbod (talk) 14:22, 1 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]

How can a 1997 source cover a period that ends in 1999? I checked source [4] which covers a very similar claim. Shoemaker's Holiday ^{Over 210 FCs served} 16:54, 1 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]

(Unindent) It's actually a broad statement and can be backed by multiple general sources. In addition to source #15 try these:

• Cusic (pp 384-385, 2002 edition) states "Between 1991 and 1996 Gospel / Christian averaged a 22% growth rate each year while other formats has a growth rate of about 5 percent."

Cusic is echoing data produced by the RIAA, as indicated by a report in CCM update, 1996-03-25, "Survey Reports Gospel As Fastest-Growing Genre", which reported that "ACCORDING TO A new survey released last week by the Gospel Music Association (GMA), gospel music is growing at a faster rate than any other major form of popular music. Since 1991, gospel music has averaged 22 percent growth each year, while genres such as rock, pop, urban, country and rap have seen annual growth rates of five percent or below, according the study and independent data provided by the Recording Industry Association of America (RIAA)."

• Source #13 covers 1998, it's text begins "OF THE $1.5 BILLION increase in sales of recorded music in 1998, topping out at $13.7 billion, gospel saw the most growth of any genre, climbing from a 4.5 percent marketshare in 1997 to 6.3 percent in 1998 -- a 29 percent increase -- according to the Recording Industry Association of America's annual Consumer Profile Report released last week. Gospel music's 6.3 percent marketshare translates into $863 million in '98, up from $549 million in '97."

Anyway, that covers most of the 1990s, and there may be more out there, if one digs a little. Additionally, CCM Update is a different publication from CCM Magazine. Although they both share the same publisher, Update was a weekly trade publication, aimed at the industry rather than the consumer. I have an electronic archive of it, and I offer to send the file in it's entirety to anyone who would like a copy. Dan, the CowMan (talk) 20:34, 1 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Er, thanks, no. I'm ready to AGF on that, especially with the above. You might explain more about the update at the top of the refs. Johnbod (talk) 01:31, 2 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]

• ... that the proposed Congestion Control for Road Vehicles is planned to help reduce operating costs and encourage use of public transport?

Created by Dougdoug2doug (talk). Nominated by Secret Saturdays (talk) at 21:58, 23 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]

• I changed "to help reduced cost operating costs" to "to help reduce operating costs". Art LaPella (talk) 22:15, 23 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]

• Hook unreferenced + we require at least 1 ref per paragraph in the article; the latter is almost unreferenced now. Materialscientist (talk) 11:51, 30 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]

• Not seeing the cites. Shoemaker's Holiday ^{Over 209 FCs served} 16:25, 30 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]

• ... that the English far-right hooligan group Casuals United was formed in response to Islamist protests against Britain's involvement in the Iraq War?

Created/expanded by Francium12 (talk). Self nom at 15:43, 23 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]

• Hook is verified and it has been 5x expanded, it fails DYK check but I think that is because it was expanded too long ago now but that wouldn't have been the case if it has been reviewed earlier. Smartse (talk) 16:04, 29 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]

• I would be deeply and profoundly uncomfortable if this article went on the main page in its current form.

• What is your concern? Just saying you'll be uncomfortable won't help us much. ≈ Chamal ^talk ¤ 09:34, 2 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]

• If you have any concerns please raise them on the talk page. I realise promoting articles on far right hooligan groups isn't to everyones taste but it is a neutral article which is well referenced and now free of any POV  Francium12  09:42, 2 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]

• ... that Adolf Bniński, Polish presidential candidate in 1926, is rumored to have been killed by Nazi Germans by being thrown to lions?

Created by Piotrus (talk). Self nom at 23:29, 22 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]

• ... the article gives the impression that he was torture and killed and then (his body?) he was maybe fed to wild animals ...maybe lions. I can't , get to/understand the ref, but I think the hook stretches what the article says .... oh! and I copyeditted the article.Victuallers (talk) 09:22, 28 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]
• The article says "according to some sources he could have even been fed to wild animals (lions)" and cites a newspaper interview (no factual evidence there). Facts please. Materialscientist (talk) 11:23, 29 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]

• ... that the seven mile long New Jersey Route 85 freeway was never built and ended up becoming a twenty-mile light rail line?

5x expanded by Mitchazenia (talk). Self nom at 00:42, 22 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]

• Not clear the rail line is on the same route. Shoemaker's Holiday ^{Over 209 FCs served} 15:07, 29 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]

What the article says, I think, is that the state focused on a rail line instead of route 85. The hook should be reworded to make this clear. Or how about this alt:

• ALT1: ... that although the New Jersey Route 85 freeway was never built, it is still listed in the state's Route Log?

≈ Chamal ^talk ¤ 07:56, 1 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Note: Articles nominated for a special occasion should be nominated within five days of creation or expansion as usual (with the exception of April Fools'). Also, articles should be nominated at least five days before the occasion to give reviewers time to check the nomination.

• ... that while being a member of the Spanish colonial guardia civil, Francisco Carreón also served as a member of the Philippine Revolutionary group Katipunan (first official flag pictured)?

Created by 23prootie (talk). Self nom at 12:06, 1 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]

• I suspect that flag might not be a good idea to use in situations like this where the context won't be immediately clear. Shoemaker's Holiday ^{Over 210 FCs served} 00:52, 2 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]

• Refs are needed right after the hook fact (see WP:DYKDN). ≈ Chamal ^talk ¤ 01:25, 2 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]

• Fixed both.--ᜊᜓᜅ ᜅ᜔ ᜑᜎᜋᜅ᜔ ᜋᜑᜒᜏᜄ (ᜂᜐᜉ)^Baybayin 01:44, 2 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]

• Good to go. ≈ Chamal ^talk ¤ 09:31, 2 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]

• ... that one driver was killed at Suzuka Circuit (pictured) when he was struck by another car just after he exited his stricken car?

• ALT1:... that although Daijiro Kato fatally crashed near Casio Triangle at Suzuka Circuit (pictured), which should have required a red flag to be waved, the race was not stopped?
• Comment: The date reflects that the Japanese Grand Prix returns to the circuit after a 2 year hiatus.

Created/expanded by Donnie Park (talk). Self nom at 15:09, 27 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]

• I tweaked ALT1 to make more sense in English. Art LaPella (talk) 20:17, 27 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]

• Hmm... it's a list article, and per C1, tables are not counted as prose. A list article should have a lead section that is more than 1500 characters for it to be featured on DYK. Could you please expand the lead? ≈ Chamal ^talk ¤ 03:22, 3 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]

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