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This template was considered for deletion on 26 March 2010. The result of the discussion was "keep".

The Alcohol and health portal was recently deleted. I've removed the red link from the template. BlackcurrantTea (talk) 12:40, 28 April 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Religious use is unrelated to the topic of this template, as it is not directly related to health, nor do the religion article linked address health issues. If there is not an alcohol and religion template, then make one - but don't try to WP:COATRACK this only tangentially related topic here. We don't want this template on the religion articles listed, because it is clearly an attempt to promote that alcohol has health issues on articles that have nothing to do with those health issues. Skyerise (talk) 19:35, 7 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@Skyerise: I agree, how about a "Drugs and religion" template? --94.255.152.53 (talk) 19:38, 7 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

That is covered in the appropriate template {{Religion and topic}}. I think these are better covered in article space, and the robust template that covers all the composite topics is perfectly sufficient for navigation. You use of templates seems sort of POV-pushy to me. Skyerise (talk) 19:44, 7 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@Skyerise: It's not POV. I'm just used to use this template. I don't mind at all that you removed the text. Thank you for your suggestion. Night. --94.255.152.53 (talk) 19:49, 7 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

The {{Religion and topic}} template was created specifically to avoid a long list of templates for all sorts of 'religion and' combinations on all the religion articles. Perhaps you should discuss at the appropriate WP:WikiProject Religion talk pages before just wading into a controversial topic without consensus from the project? Skyerise (talk) 19:53, 7 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

"There are already an astonishing number of articles on alcohol on Wikipedia, see Index of alcohol-related articles and Template:Alcohol and health (which that same IP has helpfully expanded). Not to mention the confusion about which article is the overview of the overviews - this [[Alcohol (drug)]] page? Ethanol? Alcohol (chemistry)? Alcoholic beverage? I really think some tree shaking is needed to consolidate the articles along lines that make more sense. Probably some renames too, like I think at this point I would just rename Template:Alcohol and health to Template:Alcohol. That being said, I don't think the split you propose would make the situation significantly worse, and it would fill in a link for the "Social issues" item of the template, so I have no objections to it. Mathnerd314159 (talk) 01:55, 17 October 2024 (UTC)" - https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Talk:Alcohol_(drug)&oldid=1251615052#Proposed_Split[reply]

@Mathnerd314159: The current template titled "Alcohol" is problematic due to the existence of both Alcohol (drug) and Alcohol (chemistry). I suggest renaming it to Template:Alcohol (drug) since it specifically addresses alcohol in a drug context. What do you think about it? 94.255.152.53 (talk) 21:59, 18 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Well, Alcohol (chemistry) uses Template:Alcohols. The "s" means there would be no confusion. But at the end of the day, what the template is called doesn't matter, since it is an internal name. What I was talking about was less about moving the template per se and instead changing the header of the template; "Alcohol and health" no longer describes the scope and I would say at this point it should just be "Alcohol". Mathnerd314159 (talk) 00:46, 19 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@Mathnerd314159: I see. So, if I understand correctly, you're suggesting that we change |title = [[Alcohol and health]] to |title = [[Alcohol (drug)|Alcohol]]? Feel free to make that change if you think it's appropriate. --94.255.152.53 (talk) 08:38, 19 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@Willondon, Mathnerd314159, and EducatedRedneck: This template is focused on Alcohol (drug) in general, which also includes Alcohol and health. So do you support renaming this wiki template ('Template:Alcohol_and_health') to 'Template:Alcohol_(drug)'?

• Support as proposer --94.255.152.53 (talk) 18:15, 19 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

• Weak support It seems like a good idea to me, but I'm too unfamiliar with the template space to cast an informed vote, so feel free to disregard this. (Hence weak.) Alcohol (drug) makes it clear which is the highest-level overview, restricts it to the interaction between the substance and humans, and is broad enough to contain the various facets (abuse, social interactions, religion, adverse effects, etc.) That's my $0.02. EducatedRedneck (talk) 18:21, 19 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]