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On wikipedia, we don't include any "Reception" section in a biography about a band: those sections are present in articles about releases of albums. We try to build an encyclopedia and including in a biography, quotes such as "It'd be hard to truly dislike Haim. They're an eminently likeable, albeit slightly kooky, trio whose story already bears the frisson of legend" makes this article looking like a hagiography. Hagiography is when authors embellish the reception and neatly avoid to include any negative view. wp:neutrality is one of our rules. Some of the sentences from that section should be included in the "Musical style" section. This is why I had rearranged the section, moving the most neutral quote of the "reception" section to include it the Musical Style section [1]. This was reverted with the summary, "the layout has had consensus for ages" [2] which is untrue as there aren't any result of a consensus about this "reception" section, nowhere here or in the archive of this talk. Woovee (talk) 00:01, 14 March 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Crikey, chill out and take a deep breath. See WP:Silence and consensus and Talk:Haim (band)/GA1. Reliably sourced opinions are fine to put in articles generally, but in this instance I feel they're best parked out in a separate section where they're obviously opinions. Other articles for more established bands have a "Legacy" section. For example, in Genesis (band) (one of my favourite GAs to work on), we've got "Genesis has had a hard time getting respect. In the early '70s ... it attracted an avid cult following but was largely ignored by the rock press and public at large ... Even in the early '80s ... the press was unimpressed, dismissing the group as easy-listening lightweights ... All of which, to be honest, has been grossly unfair to the group" and "Genesis were a daring and groundbreaking band (certainly in their early career)" which is hardly neutral, but it's obviously opinion. If the opinions break some (imagined) neutrality guideline, they shouldn't be in the article full stop.

"wp:neutrality is one of our rules." There are no rules here. Rather, we should assess each article on its own merits and not bow down to absolute dogma. Frankly I tire of editors who think everything has to follow the same format - a bit of common sense and weighing up values on a case by case basis is all is required. Ritchie333 ^{(talk) (cont)} 00:10, 14 March 2018 (UTC)[reply]

The result of a GA is not a consensus. A consensus is a decision taken by a neutral user, at the end of a discussion between several users over one specific issue. Here clearly, there was only one person that gave Ritchie333 a GA for their article. And an article may be reassessed at any time. This "reception" section makes this article look like a hagiography because the main contributor neatly avoided to include any negative view. If we include a reception section in an article, we must also include negative views as well from reliable sources. See wp:NPOV. It is not "Reliably sourced opinions are fine to put in articles generally" that matters, it is how they are presented. Woovee (talk) 00:27, 14 March 2018 (UTC)[reply]

So go find a reliable, independent source that says "this band are total shit" and add it to the article. Problem solved! Ritchie333 ^{(talk) (cont)} 08:20, 14 March 2018 (UTC)[reply]

I propose that some photos be removed from this article, leaving one group photo, and one photo of each individual group member. Currently there are multiple individual photos that do not add significantly to the article.Design (talk) 03:30, 27 May 2018 (UTC)[reply]

The excess photos can be placed in Wikicommons.-Design (talk) 04:17, 12 June 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Your personal opinion has been noted. The pictures are all on Commons anyway, as you can see via the link at the bottom of the page. Have a nice day. Ritchie333 ^{(talk) (cont)} 16:06, 5 July 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Can somebody explain why this belongs in the lead. (Also bear in mind as this is a good article, it needs to comply with the manual of style for lead sections, and hence information should not be in the lead unless it is in the body, properly sourced, and of significant magnitude to mention there). Ritchie333 ^{(talk) (cont)} 16:05, 5 July 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Would like to add something to indicate that their first show was on July 7, 2007, at the California Institute of Abnormal Arts, a clown museum.^[1] This information is from their interview on the Graham Norton Show,^[2] shortly before the release of their "Something to Tell You" album in July of 2017.

I'll let someone else come up with the wording and positioning in the article.-Rubiks6 (talk) 17:50, 8 April 2019 (UTC)[reply]