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Latest comment: 24 days ago4 comments2 people in discussion
Hello,
Three indices I have somewhat recently uploaded to commons are showing up as 0 x 0 pages and I am unsure why, as others which I have uploaded in an identical fashion are fine. For example, File:In the Reign of Coyote.djvu, File:Folk Tales of Beasts and Men.djvu and File:Home-Made Toys for Boys and Girls (Hall).djvu, noting that the former two were the raw djvu file from Internet Archive, and the latter, a pdf2djvu conversion, if that matters. While it would be nice if someone fixes the issue(s), I would much appreciate if someone could also explain exactly how to fix the issue(s), in case it crops up again. And sorry if this question has been asked before and I just can't find a satisfactory answer, i.e. if it is just purging files, how and what exactly?
This is pretty normal with files that have recently been uploaded to Commons. If you have made an Index already, On the Index page, see the top right corner where there is a looping arrow? Hit that and try to purge the file once or twice and that should fix it.If you haven't made an index, trying to purge the page at Commons may fix it or just waiting for a while usually does the trick. The simple "soft purge" method is just Ctrl+Shift+R and that sometimes works. There are also hard purges and null edits. Another purge method is adding ?action=purge to the end of the URI. Sometimes, if you do that once or twice, it will work. In fact, that's what I just did and it worked on my end. —Justin (koavf)❤T☮C☺M☯20:35, 25 September 2024 (UTC)Reply
@Koavf Thanks for the quick and detailed response (e.g. I has seen ?action=purge in comments before, but did not know what to do with it). The indices are now showing up as having pages. Thanks again, TeysaKarlov (talk) 20:47, 25 September 2024 (UTC)Reply
Latest comment: 21 days ago2 comments2 people in discussion
I spent a long long time on the internet exerting all my powers of Google-Fu to chase down the English text of Lord Ellinborough's much-ridiculed Somnauth Proclamation, eventually finding it in John William Kaye's History of the War in Afghanistan (1842). Is it OK to extract the Proclamation and put it as a stand-alone document in Wikisource rather than the entire book?
Latest comment: 18 days ago3 comments2 people in discussion
I'm working on Index:Moralreflection00stangoog.djvu and am not sure if I'm doing the footnotes correctly in the first place to be honest. But there are also some pages where the footnote continues on the next page in the footer section and I'm not sure how to handle that.
I don't know if its too much to ask as well if someone could just give a once-over on my work and see if there is anything I'm doing incorrectly. That would be appreciated. Odhar (talk) 00:49, 1 October 2024 (UTC)Reply
Latest comment: 18 days ago5 comments4 people in discussion
It has happened to me, sometimes, that files generated with the same method as usual have their OCR shifted one or more pages towards the start, which is quite annoying. Does someone know why it happens, and, if so, how to prevent it? Thanks, — Alien 3 3 319:59, 1 October 2024 (UTC)Reply
Alien 333: There is a bug report at Phabricator about this. It is years old. I blamed that choice to remove the first page, but the consensus was no on that. I was given another explanation that was something about the title page causing things to back up. My joining the bug reporters has not helped to fix it, that said, if you would like to join I will dig out the report number for you.--RaboKarbakian (talk) 00:59, 2 October 2024 (UTC)Reply
T194861 is the most common cause, where images from Internet Archive are offset. The issue is that the image sequence becomes out of sequence with the xml, often because there are additional images such as the color targets, before the main sequence. MarkLSteadman (talk) 02:48, 2 October 2024 (UTC)Reply
But some of these files, I built back up myself from the raw JP2s (e.g. File:Poems Nealds.djvu), so I didn't use any external metadata, and I'd expect OCR engines to not depend on the metadata that was in the image files that were used to make a document. — Alien 3 3 305:36, 2 October 2024 (UTC)Reply
From what I see, it does exist there now and it seems like it's a good typographic approximation of the original. If you think that the header isn't really part of the document as such, but is basically metadata, then you can put it in the header section of the page and it won't be transcluded in the main namespace. —Justin (koavf)❤T☮C☺M☯16:33, 2 October 2024 (UTC)Reply
Do you mean the images aren't loading on each page? I see that too, and it happened to me at multilingual WS as well.
If I click the link to the image, I get an error "Too Many Requests" which sounds deeply suboptimal. It might be something wrong on the commons end, since c:File:The Dream-Quest of Unknown Kadath.pdf won't load properly either (although the PDF itself still seems to be accessible.)
Strange indeed: for me it's the first two that work and the third that is broken. Probably related to the WM technical infrastructure (using different servers or whatever). — Alien 3 3 306:42, 5 October 2024 (UTC)Reply
Latest comment: 10 days ago12 comments4 people in discussion
Factotum initials are a kind of cheap drop cap which were popular in the Early Modern period. Instead of using an ornamental drop cap (see left), there was an ornamental frame into which the printer could drop any ordinary capital letter (see right).
Template:Drop initial allows for the case of ornamental drop caps with its image parameter. But there's no way to produce the same effect for factotum initials, which has led to Commons categories with dozens of images identical to their neighbour except for the letter in the middle.
So, I would like to extend Template:Drop initial to add a factotum switch, where the image given will be displayed with the 1 letter centred on top of it. But that template is complicated beyond my confidence, so I'm asking for help here. Marnanel (talk) 14:41, 7 October 2024 (UTC)Reply
Right, but I want to use an image of an empty factotum initial, like the one on the right here, and add the letter in the middle as an actual letter (rather as the type letter would have been inserted into the original). So it would be a sort of combination of the current modes with and without the image.
Otherwise you end up having to upload images for each of the original letters used, which leads to pointless duplication like this:
F
H
C
W
which are all clearly the same factotum with a different initial letter inserted! What we have to preserve here is the factotum itself. Preserving the original initial letter as part of the image makes no more sense than preserving any of the rest of the document as an image: it's the very reverse of what Wikisource is here for. Marnanel (talk) 21:28, 7 October 2024 (UTC)Reply
Also, there are small differences between the frames in the examples you've given, and not just intensity of shading, but outlines of the leaves themselves. See for example the leaf pair at the frame edge just above nine o'clock. The original is not reusing the same floral frame. --EncycloPetey (talk) 21:38, 7 October 2024 (UTC)Reply
The "alt=" property on a image allows you to provide the letter, and readers who have images turned off will then see the letter, so you're objection indicates you did not investigate the option I mentioned above. This property is already built into the template, and there are examples in the documentation. --EncycloPetey (talk) 21:40, 7 October 2024 (UTC)Reply
EncycloPetey: “This property is already built into the template, and there are examples in the documentation.” This is obviously not true. The “alt” property is a technical measure which is present in all images, and bears no relation to the factotum image issue presented. The style/size issue is not a problem, as {{overfloat image}} is a commonly used template. I also don’t think that these are different images, but rather different imprints of the same image; in which case, we should isolate the best example and keep that image. TE(æ)A,ea. (talk) 23:39, 7 October 2024 (UTC)Reply
Overfloat image is fussy and tempermental. Even the example in the template's own documentation does not have the text entirely within the blank space when I view it, though at one time it did. And the template certainly will not play well with the drop initial template. --EncycloPetey (talk) 00:59, 8 October 2024 (UTC)Reply
And these are not all imprints of the same image. The H and C images are clearly different in multiple ways. The images are all very similar, but they were not printed from the same original. --EncycloPetey (talk) 01:00, 8 October 2024 (UTC)Reply
I know how printing works, and I also know what kind of wear happens. In this instance, the outlines of the leaves along all four edges are different between the H and C blocks. Look, for example at the lower left flower, which is flanked by buds in the C image, but is not so flanked in the H image. They were not printed from the same block. --EncycloPetey (talk) 19:38, 8 October 2024 (UTC)Reply
H was definitely from a different block from the rest. F and C are in my opinion probably the same block. W is either very degraded or just badly inked, but it is at least very similar to the F/C block. Cremastra (talk) 23:48, 9 October 2024 (UTC)Reply
I've tried a few things, but have not found anything that makes the content show up in transclusion. It seems to follow the model examples for JPG file transclusion. --EncycloPetey (talk) 05:05, 9 October 2024 (UTC)Reply
It seems to me like everything is working, and even when looking at the first revision, for me it works. Can you describe your problem more precisely? (note: I also marked the index as proofread & transcluded, as it is) — Alien 3 3 312:00, 9 October 2024 (UTC)Reply
I know, but when you look at the first revision, it works too (or at least it does for me). But anyway, as it's solved, doesn't really matter. — Alien 3 3 318:24, 9 October 2024 (UTC)Reply
The actual issue was that somehow the content on the Page: had been put in the header, rather than the body, which on tranclusion meant there wasn't anything to apparrently transclude. I'm not going to say I'm immune from making mistakes like that myself though. ShakespeareFan00 (talk) 12:41, 10 October 2024 (UTC)Reply
'Change to operating expenses' is an 'Income statement' entry in the 'Expenses' section. It's subdivided to 'Freight', 'Fuel,' and 'Salary'. They increase the cost of doing business and affects the 'Equity' section of the 'Balance sheet'.
'Overhead', is an 'Income Statement', can be either a negative 'Revenue' or a positive 'Expenses' entry and also affects the 'Equity' section of the 'Balance sheet'. Namely lowers the company's value.
'Interest' is a 'Revenue' section entry of the 'Income Statement', increasing the bank balance on the 'Balance sheet' and indicates fluidity, and profit.
For the mathematics of double entry bookkeeping, see: Fra Luca Pacioli. The note itself is a prop, and I think it is a McGuffin, like the Maltese Falcon. I hope this helps. — ineuw (talk) 21:56, 18 October 2024 (UTC)Reply
Latest comment: 11 hours ago2 comments2 people in discussion
The text I'm transcribing references the Bible a lot, for example:
As it is written 1. Regum. cha. 17.Dauid brake ye beares chin, and deliuered the ſhéepe out of his mouth &c.
I would like to link these references to Bible texts, but I can only see ways to link to specific translations. There's no obvious translation to use for this, since the translation predates the KJV, and I don't want to make choices about translation for the users.
