Diskussion:Sachsen-Coburg

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--Zwobot 04:14, 27. Nov. 2006 (CET)Beantworten

Hübsches Bild eines alten Grenzpfahls. Auch wenn ich mich der Gefahr des Krümelkackens aussetze: Der Wappenspruch fideliter et constanter, den man auf dem Schilde aber leider nicht entziffern kann, lautet übersetzt wohl eher "Treu und standhaft" - nicht umgekehrt.--Hvs50 14:19, 29. Nov. 2007 (CET)Beantworten

The first sentence in the current article contains errors, which are quite interesting from the point of view of the History of Ideas. Namely the negation (in Neo Platonist Philosophy) of the right to inherit of women.

Now I come from a country where women always kept their right to inherit.

The change seems to be late Medieval/Renaissance, and the article about Coburg comes near the moment in time. Coburg was inherited by women over several generations at least from the extinction of the House of Merania in 1248, if not before that year. Around 1248 the territories around Coburg were inherited by Hermann I of Henneberg, whose grandmother Sophie of Istrien †1218 is called heiress to territories in Itzergrund, and was a sister to the first Duke in Merania.

According to available literature, from 1247 Coburg and other territories known as "Neue Herrschaft" were held by Herman, who passed them on to his son Poppo in 1290. Poppo willed them by testament to his sister Jutta, who inherited in 1291. Jutta was married (October 1268) to Otto der Lange, Margrave in Brandenburg-Salzwedel. From Jutta the "Neue Herrschaft" passed in 1308 to her grandson Johann *1302 and was sold during 1311-1316 to Berthold VII of Henneberg, Juttas second cousin, with the exception of 1/4 comprising Coburg. Johann's sister Jutta of Brandenburg-Salzwedel married Berthold's son Heinrich about 1316.

Jutta’s and Heinrich’s son died young in 1329 so their four daughters inherited the “Neue Herrschaft” in 1347 from their father (Elisabeth, married to Eberhard of Württemberg, got Irrmelshausen, Sophie, married to Albrecht the Fair of Zollern, got Hildburghausen, and Anna, Abbess of Sonneberg, probably got Sonneberg. Catharine, the 2nd daughter, was married to Friedrich der Strenge the same year. She was promised Coburg on her mother’s death.

This seems to have caused a clash between the ancient custom (daughters inherit after a brother, but before an uncle) and the novel philosophy from Roman Canon Law (this was only later termed “Salic law”, but the ancient law of the Salian Franks, as well as that of other Germanic peoples, had been precisely that daughters inherit after a brother, but before an uncle).

Now Friedrich wanted his wife's part immediately, although his mother-in-law (who owned it) was still alive. War ensued.

One should note that the girls' grandfather Berthold VII, as German Chancellor had adhered to the understanding that King Edward III of England was rightful heir to France by his mother Isabel de France.

However, one week after his mother-in-law’s death on the 1st January 1353 Friedrich der Strenge, made the Emperor (who was at Prague) grant him is deceased mother-in-laws’ inheritance as a Fief of the Crown. Catharine put on black clothing for the next 20 years – until she eventually produced a son and heir; Friedrich der Streitbare.

(nicht signierter Beitrag von 83.251.30.48 (Diskussion) 14:26, 2. Mär. 2009)

stammt von meiner disk und bevor das im Archiv landet kommt das (also der Teil welcher den Artikel betrifft) mal hierher. --Shadak 15:41, 3. Mär. 2009 (CET)Beantworten