Commons:Deletion requests/Anikushin

• Pushkin statue in subway of St. Petersburg (ru:Пушкинская (станция метро, Санкт-Петербург))
  • File:Pushkin in spb metro edited.jpg
  • File:Pushkin in spb metro.JPG
  • File:Портрет Пушикина на ст.м. Пушкинская original.jpg
  • File:Портрет Пушикина на ст.м. Пушкинская.jpg
• Outside sculptures and architecture in St. Petersburg
  • File:Gedenkst tte belagerung.JPG
  • File:Pushkin Saint Petersburg.jpg
  • File:Poesjkin-standbeeld.jpg
  • File:Monument van de Blokkade.jpg
  • File:Памятник Пушкину на площади Искусств.jpg
  • File:Moscplosh vid na mosk i len.jpg
  • File:Sankt-Petěrburg 039.jpg

These are images of architecturial works of en:Mikhail Anikushin, who died in 1997. There is no FOP in Russia ([1]), and Russian law is applied retroactively to Soviet works ([2]). Should be in category "Undelete in 2068/72". --Fernrohr (talk) 21:15, 23 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]

If the current Commons policy forces to such mass deletions, the policy should be urgently revised. --ŠJů (talk) 22:08, 23 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]

This is not something we can change at Commons because it would otherwise conflict with this WMF resolution (look at point 2). --AFBorchert (talk) 06:06, 24 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Yes, this is stupid policy that could lead in case of uncompromising application to deletion about 70% of images from former Soviet Union. --Dezidor (talk) 08:12, 24 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]

@AFBorchert: When I said "the policy should be urgently revised", I mean that he who prescribed such policy should revise whether these consequences and application are really in accordance with his intent. --ŠJů (talk) 09:26, 24 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]

• И где тут "основное изображение фотографии? Половина фотографий - скульптура занимает процентов 15 кадра, не больше. А в законе, между прочим, явным текстом написано, что МОЖЕТ воспроизводиться, если не является основным объектом изображения. #!95.161.2.76 04:31, 24 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]

• File:Sankt-Petěrburg 039.jpg and File:Moscplosh vid na mosk i len.jpg ---> Commons:De minimis. --Dezidor (talk) 08:12, 24 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]

  The problem is that Russian De minimis applies only to non-commercial use. «Допускается ... воспроизведение ..., за исключением случаев, когда (when it isn't "de minimis") ... либо когда изображение произведения используется в коммерческих целях.» The fatal problem is that Commons policy is "rather no image than a non-commercially limited image". The real effect is that we can delete almost all photos from countries where is not an absolute FOP. Every building, every park, every street and forest can be understood to be an architectural work, when we want be copyright-fundamentalists. --ŠJů (talk) 09:26, 24 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]

 Keep. As NVO wrote on Fernrohr's talk page: A policy is in place but there's no commitment. None. [...] practically anything built in the Union fails COM:FOP in this or that way. It's a five-digit mass of photos. Current "consensus" is to disregard COM:FOP in this case: no one really cares about legalese crap fabricated in Russia or North Korea. [...] Can this simple statement lead to a summary deletion of all photography in the Union-related categories? (accentuation by me) - yes, it can, if you go ahead deleting stuff like this, resulting in Wikimedia Commons becoming virtually useless for illustrating articles about Russia and/or or the Soviet Union (which occupied 1/6 of the Earth's land area). Change this policy right now because of common sense and the nullo actore, nullus iudex principle, and stop deletions at least until this point is clarified! And BTW, we do not need administrators implementing "commons policies" acting like robots not considering any issues around, like the mentioned above... --SibFreak (talk) 07:31, 29 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]

I consider the argument "deletion is inconvenient and nobody will sue WMF based on this legalese crap, so let's ignore it" particularly inadequate. Nothing needs to be clarified, it is all pretty clear. Dura lex, sed lex, since you like Latin. --Fernrohr (talk) 08:19, 29 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]

•  Delete No FOP for sculpture in Russia; those that disagree should work on changing the rules on Commons. /Pieter Kuiper (talk) 13:47, 4 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]
•  Delete No FOP for sculptures in Russia. Photographs of copyrighted sculptures are routinely deleted from Commons. This issue affects all countries where FOP does not exist or does not include statues. MKFI (talk) 16:03, 17 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Deleted, no freedom of panorama in the former Soviet Union. Kept one that was de minimis. Kameraad Pjotr 20:29, 13 December 2010 (UTC)[reply]