Property talk:P1961

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CTHS society ID
identifier of organization of Comité des travaux historiques et scientifiques

Associated item	Comité des travaux historiques et scientifiques (Q2985434)
Applicable "stated in" value	annuaire des sociétés savantes de France (Q55740770)
Data type	External identifier
Domain	organization (Q43229)
Allowed values	[1-9]\d{1,5}
Example	Académie Française (Q161806) → 2789 Montpellier Academy of Sciences and Letters (Q2822394) → 1119
Source	According to this template: external reference, Wikipedia list article, etc. According to statements in the property: http://cths.fr/an/annuaire.php When possible, data should only be stored as statements
Formatter URL	https://cths.fr/an/societe.php?id=$1
Related to country	France (Q142) (See 654 others)
See also	CTHS person ID (P2383)
Lists	Items with the most statements of this property Count of items by number of statements (chart) Items with the most statements Items with the fewest statements Count of items by number of sitelinks (chart) Items with the most sitelinks Items with the most sitelinks, but no link to one Wikipedia (sample: Welsh Wikipedia, cywiki) Items with the fewest sitelinks Most linked wikis Items with the most identifier properties Items with no other external identifier Items with no other statements Most recently created items Items with novalue claims Items with unknown value claims Usage history (total) Usage history (main statement) Chart by item creation date Mix'n'match (Report) Database reports/Constraint violations/P1961 Map Random list
Proposal discussion	Proposal discussion
Current uses	Total 959 Main statement 931 out of 4,854 (19% complete) 97.1% of uses Qualifier 2 0.2% of uses Reference 26 2.7% of uses
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Format “[1-9]\d{0,5}”: value must be formatted using this pattern (PCRE syntax). (Help)

List of violations of this constraint: Database reports/Constraint violations/P1961#Format, hourly updated report, SPARQL

Distinct values: this property likely contains a value that is different from all other items. (Help)

List of violations of this constraint: Database reports/Constraint violations/P1961#Unique value, hourly updated report, SPARQL (every item), SPARQL (by value)

Single value: this property generally contains a single value. (Help)

Exceptions are possible as rare values may exist. Exceptions can be specified using exception to constraint (P2303).
List of violations of this constraint: Database reports/Constraint violations/P1961#Single value, SPARQL

Type “organization (Q43229)”: item must contain property “instance of (P31)” with classes “organization (Q43229)” or their subclasses (defined using subclass of (P279)). (Help)

Exceptions are possible as rare values may exist. Exceptions can be specified using exception to constraint (P2303). Known exceptions: Ballons des Vosges Regional Natural Park (Q2376227)
List of violations of this constraint: Database reports/Constraint violations/P1961#Type Q43229, SPARQL

Item “country (P17): France (Q142)”: Items with this property should also have “country (P17): France (Q142)”. (Help)

Exceptions are possible as rare values may exist. Exceptions can be specified using exception to constraint (P2303). Known exceptions: Société d'histoire et d'archéologie du canton de Neuchâtel (Q47928615), Société des arts de Genève (Q50364270)
List of violations of this constraint: Database reports/Constraint violations/P1961#Item P17, search, SPARQL

Allowed entity types are Wikibase item (Q29934200): the property may only be used on a certain entity type (Help)

Exceptions are possible as rare values may exist. Exceptions can be specified using exception to constraint (P2303).
List of violations of this constraint: Database reports/Constraint violations/P1961#Entity types

Item “country (P17)”: Items with this property should also have “country (P17)”. (Help)

Exceptions are possible as rare values may exist. Exceptions can be specified using exception to constraint (P2303).
List of violations of this constraint: Database reports/Constraint violations/P1961#Item P17, search, SPARQL

Scope is as main value (Q54828448), as reference (Q54828450): the property must be used by specified way only (Help)

Exceptions are possible as rare values may exist. Exceptions can be specified using exception to constraint (P2303).
List of violations of this constraint: Database reports/Constraint violations/P1961#Scope, SPARQL

Motivation

The CTHS is a French learned society created in 1834 which contains a lot of informations about artists. Note there's also a different URL which is used to request information on an organization (ex : leads to nothing but leads to ROGNIAT Louis. JeanBono (talk) 19:32, 12 June 2015 (UTC)[reply]

This property has just been found to be an exact equivalent to CTHS person ID (P2383). This other one was already used more than 6,000 times while CTHS society ID (P1961) was used only 6 times. Instead of deleting the property, I changed its scope a little bit so that instead of targeting people it would target a learned society (Q955824). The database maintained by the Comité des travaux historiques et scientifiques (Q2985434) is twofold and there was no property allowing us to import the IDs related to the scientific associations. Now this is what CTHS society ID (P1961) does. Thierry Caro (talk) 17:19, 1 November 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Currently if an object with this proparty doesn't also have the property country::France it'll return the message An entity with CTHS society ID should also have a statement country France.

I don't think this is appropriate as for example Q3488633 directs to http://cths.fr/an/societe.php?id=100600, with CHTS pointing to french speaking countries, so not limiting to france: Domaines géographiques: Etranger, Pays francophones --Deelthx (talk) 10:01, 22 January 2021 (UTC)[reply]

• Yes, I don't think it's meant to be limited to France. Looking at Wikidata:Database_reports/Constraint_violations/P1961#"Item_country_(P17)_=_France_(Q142)"_violations, most do need a statement P17=Q142. I refined the constraint a bit based on that. What do you think? --- Jura 10:23, 22 January 2021 (UTC)[reply]

That's a very interesting page you linked, I didn't know we had these! It seems quite a few objects that violate the constriction at the moment are Swiss or Belgian. Altough it seems most indeed need P17=Q142. If I interpret CTHS correctly, it could be any country that is French speaking. Perhaps, if it's possible, a constriction that allows any value for country that also has official language P37 French? Alternativly, it seems CTHS captures addresses under Coordonnées, so we could restrict it to need a value in country P17 and hope it gets filled in correctly. --Deelthx (talk) 12:31, 22 January 2021 (UTC)[reply]