How To Predict Markets Catch The Move
How To Predict Markets Catch The Move
How To Predict Markets Catch The Move
"Your ability to determine which market participants are influencing price will
allow you to judge the conviction and behavior of price movement"
In my post above of the Japanese yen its obviously 13 Trend Days in a row. But
there are 5 other types of market days in all and all have importance. Will cover
all in time at a walking pace.
1 -Trend day
2 -Double Distribution Day
3- Typical Day
4- Expanded Typical Day
5 Range Day
6 -Sideways day
''those that deploy there capitol the right way on the day consecutively master the
markets"
Types of Professional Traders
1 Investors
2 Position Traders
3 Swing Traders
4 Day Traders
The double distribution trend day opens with a narrow initial balance. The initial balance is
the base for any day 's trading. A narrow initial balance breaks easerly, but a wide initial
balance is harder to break. The fact that the initial balance is narrow on this type of day
indicates that there is a good possibility of a breakout from the opening range and
subsequent initial range, indicating that you will see a move toward new value. Below chart
demonstrate DDT Day.
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Try to visualize the box with the initial balance on open in the above chart. Its narrow and
with its initial range you can plot its high and low! Therefore if the first distribution fails and
pulls back below the initial opening balance then you can look to plot a sell to capture the
remainder of the day. Visa versa if the first distribution is opposite to the chart i.e 1 st
distribution is short.
heres your lovely GU, I know you like it, 2 consecutive days with inside values and on the
Central pivot range then very tight initial balance on the break out day. Note how the Central
pivot range expanded and opened higher then the prior day, that is a break away play.
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Just to simplify things for newer traders. do you see that the CPR in the chart below white
and orange lines helps you determine a daily center of gravity. And the Grey lines which are
daily pivot points help you to determine reasonable targets. See how GU above reached R3
and pulled back? Now we can determine what the professional day traders are doing. On this
day on GU ! a tight initial balance on the Central Daily Pivot point was to good to miss as this
correlated with the Weekly central Pivot point.
Market hit R3, a reasonable target for day traders so many took to bank. The Swing Traders
that went in long on the Weekly Pivot took some profits at weekly median line with a swing
target of 1 .338 (To be continued)
The position Traders are targeting 1.339 but there filled at 1.308 from the begging of last
month
Positions went on so fast the market went sideways for a bit then broke out. You will see this
play time and time again in the market which is a reputation of days you confronted in the
past. Eventually you will anticipate which market day ahead just from a few clues at the start
of the session.
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Quoting OAPDave
{quote} Ok so far, so what is the Red Line, and what part does that play
Hi Dave hehe....good questions that a 200 sma and I forget to take it of my charts
its saved under my profile...I dont take much notice of it unless i switch to longer
time frames. That will come apparent when we cover market cycles much later
on
Here is the same Chart purely from the perspective of a Position Trader,
however on 1 hour time frame so you can see there in on S1 monthly pivot
point entry from last month. Do you see they covered there longs last month
when the Central monthly pivot pointwas hit? And then this month -
removed short cover on the newly establish Monthly Pivot point
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yUP .........................
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Note how the professional day traders Gap and fade the move on the
CPR. This is 3rd wave up of cycle, wave 2 you can see how it stated
to the left on the very first CPR 30 Aug
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Current position on UJ Short terms Target R1 daily Note how the
professional day traders Gap and fade the move on the CPR. This is
3rd wave up of cycle, wave 2 you can see how it stated to the left on
the very first CPR 30 Aug {image}
If you take a look at the chart up above UJ , see today's opening
balance and initial range, it will be hard to break that on the down
side today, however NFP has the potential to do so as its not a typical
day. See yesterdays initial range similar to today's. market pushed
down hard and could not breakthrough the initial range.
But your points are valid. Particularly when you say the future is
based on the past! your damn right it is. So extremely good points
you have raised. As what we are covering is how professional traders
use Data from the past to anticipate the future. And use information
they see right now at this moment to uderstand who is influencing
the market and where they are targeting.
1 - Initial Balance
2 - Types of Market Days
3 - Rolling Pivot Relationships
4 - The Central Pivot Range
5 - Types of Professional Traders - What they do to time these
moves.
The easiest way to get the extended-session data values (high, low,
and settlement) is to flip to a daily chart of the instrument you are
trading. Most data providers and charting software automatically
include extended-session data when presenting the daily bars. Just
take the high, low, and close from the daily bar, and you'll have the
inputs for the next day's pivots.
So for the Monthly pivots then pivot purists are using the close of last
months bar to calculate the preceding months play by play. Same for
the Weekly.
Most MT4 charting packages wont carry Time adjustable Floor pivot
indicators, D, W, M as those are considered professional trading tools.
Platforms like think or Swim or other advanced plat forms include
Professional Floor trader tools such as Pivots and Market Profile.
I am all of the above apart from Swing trading because that require
times when you trade against the fundamentals, and that I dont do
ever
Quoting Dennis1468
R1 achieved next target in my play by play R2
Guys lets get one thing straight ...I am here to help anyone who want
help to learn some of this stuff that I picked up on from some great
friends and great trading buddies. I may seem crass at times, but I
am purly translating the market for you and how to plot your play.
Tuesday will trade the foot prints. NFP Initial balance will be in play
for the remainder of the month. And its Support and resistance zone
will be pivotal for plotting the next phase your monthly Postiton trade
with correlation to NFP levels and the monthly pivots.
Ah good good good question. This play is a day trader play. I will not
hold this Position over the weekend. Monday day trader entries and
target will shift with the new daily pivot open.
1 Pivot Width - Opening Range - to plot the type of market day ahead
2- Then will look at inside and outside Value
3 - Then will look at the power of confluence
4 Then you be ready to trade the floor pivots
5 - Then the most important thing of All - how to know your
fundamentals - use em there brilliant
The easiest way to get the extended-session data values (high, low,
and settlement) is to flip to a daily chart of the instrument you are
trading. Most data providers and charting software automatically
include extended-session data when presenting the daily bars. Just
take the high, low, and close from the daily bar, and you'll have the
inputs for the next day's pivots.
So for the Monthly pivots then pivot purists are using the close of last
months bar to calculate the preceding months play by play. Same for
the Weekly.
Most MT4 charting packages wont carry Time adjustable Floor pivot
indicators, D, W, M as those are considered professional trading tools.
Platforms like think or Swim or other advanced plat forms include
Professional Floor trader tools such as Pivots and Market Profile
1 Investors
2 Position Traders
3 Swing Traders
4 Day Traders
So today we did live trading on the NFP. I did number 4 Day trade
entries with day trade targets. all whats left to wrap up the play by
play is for me to post current UJ chart with clear enntries printed by
my broker on the chart with some notes. To summarize before I work
on the chart notes:
Trade 3 entry 102 90 closed at 103 80 half take profit and its
remaining balance closed at 104 .40 Those are S1 entry take profit R!
and R 2
Trade 4 104 close 104 30 heavy long scalp
Chart to follow
All entries apart from Trade 4 were pre planned by market orders
based open range and initial balance .. let me do this chart
Trade 2...
Todays NFP Play by play in the charts. See we are dead here.
Because we closed the file. Professional day traders are on the same
plan with similar results.
CPR is Central Pivot Range, (Normally on Daily Eastern Time) This is
normally used by Professional Day traders to view its relationship
with prior rolling days and its band width. If you look at the CPR
yesterday on the NFP chart is has a lower inside value then today.
Then the initial balance to day broke to the upside above the level of
yesterdays CPR and todays CPR.
So easy day to anticipate the play by play. Get filled on Pull backs to
CPR then add news/nfp = Put long additional orders S1 and S2 to get
filled on other people stops
if point of control is daily opeing then how to you determine VAH and
VAL?
There are two ways to determine these values - One is by using
Market Profile but plotting it in a similar way to a pivot. The other
way which I prefer is using the CPR to plot the value areas. on my UJ
chart those values are the orange lines. I have the code I will post. I
use the PP daily as POC. Sometimes I use Market profile for no other
reason then to be a bit bling in front of my wife as she does not know
MP but just trades the big time frame pivs. She has no interest in day
trading.
VP - Volume Profile
MP - Market Profile
VPOC - Volume point of control
POC - Point of control (Classic Market Profile charts only)
VA - Value Area
VAH - Value Area High
VAL - Value Area Low
IB - Initial Balance
IBH - Initial Balance High
IBL - Initial Balance Low
VWAP - Volume Weighted Average Price
MID - Midpoint
RTH - Regular Trading Hours, Pit session
ETH - Electronic Trading Hours
DOM - Depth of Market, Price Ladder
HVN - High Volume Node
LVN - Low Volume Node
OR - Opening Range
Market opened higher then prior days close so you would have
bought. Days CPR was inside yesterdays CPR Value. The professionals
sold of immediately then waited for the gap and fade back to sell of
some more. The crowd caught royally as the marketeers call it a fake
out. Thats nonsense its a gap and fade!
MARKET CANT TAKE 20 MIL ONE LOAD THATS YOUR GAP AND
FADE.....................SLIPPAGE
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Quoting AstroStudent
may I know what and where is the gap you are referring to?
Ah good question.....for a marketeer a gap is unpainted real estate.
For a pro Trader a Gap up or a gap down is preceded by a fade back.
Gap down Fade back - and on the prior day was a Gap up and fade
back....
Only need 7 ticks of the first bar open (You need that so you can
calculate your daily pivs or your indi does) and then measure the
opening balance ...then measure your CPR then plot your moves on
the fade back or play the break away
Target are simple those are plotted for you already , just work out
what type of trader you are, Day, Swing, position, Long term
Thx Bro...I need a moderator. USD CAD S1 GREEN Line Position
Traders Target towards end of this month expect retracment BACK
TO MONTHLY P short term big fat white line is now WHICH IS NOW
major resistance. Selling down big paper sellers/crude inventories
50,aybe re touch a barrel below 28 on the deck(DEC)
Note theres no re touch from the Gap up 1284 so paper sellers on the
fade back 1 302 is now resitance/TARGET 1 28
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USD CAD
note the CPR pivot width /rolling relationship today against
yesterday ............ = TODAY IS OUTSIDE LOWER.
Which means wait - let market gap down and fade back to Value
(Back to CPR) = Sell the CPR fade the move. Same Story different
currency
Please check if this one looks like single distribution trending day
only... then it breaks, short... and continues to do so. It may continue
to do so till Monday, that might begin with an IB which breaks, then
short once again... like a continuation that looks like a double
distribution trending day.
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Quoting v2vboni
0{quote}
Keep in mind that during an Expanded Typical Day, both the upper
and lower boundaries of the initial balance are susceptible to
violations. On any given day, you will see one, or both, of the
boundaries violated, as buyers and sellers attempt to push price
toward their own perceived levels of value
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Dow first used his theory to create the Dow Jones Industrial Index and the Dow Jones
Rail Index (now Transportation Index), which were originally compiled by Dow for The
Wall Street Journal. Dow created these indexes because he felt they were an accurate
reflection of the business conditions within the economy because they covered two
major economic segments: industrial and rail (transportation). While these indexes have
changed over the last 100 years, the theory still applies to current market indexes.
Much of what we know today as technical analysis has its roots in Dow's work. For this
reason, all traders using technical analysis should get to know the six basic tenets of
Dow theory. Let's explore them.
Use your CPR to time the market and get in on the dips or rips:
Hear to there minutes. What your looking for are as follows: Do they
support there currency at current price. Expected rate hikes or
suggested Quantitative easing.
What you do with it: When the Techs = fundamentals you then know
if your a bull or a bear.
I can trade the CPR without using the indicator reference points. All i
need is the market open sentiment IB and wait for break of initial
range. I like to plot the big time pivots simply to know what the pros
are doing and what the game play is on targets and short cover.
Stupid things i will ask my self when working things out may sound
like this. Right looks like long looks good on UJ I may go long! whos
long/ whos participating and driving this move, I need to know that
as i need to be in on a move that has conviction. not in and reverse.
If I see big move up from S! monthly I know big money, big position
traders are driving this move with conviction. The pivs give me
reasonable Targets. See the charts/Quants have back tested/I thinks
its 90% accuracy pivs alone. Knowing how to use them thats another
thing why we here. Thread predicting price...so far 100% hit rat
They are hungry for liquidity so why would anyone want to promote
using limit pending orders, SL and TP and add fuel to their
manipulation schemes? And there are countless threads on
supply/demand and order flow strategies to further manipulate retail
traders
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Quoting Dennis1468
{quote} its alright all is welcome.............lots of truths in all the
comments. logic is never what it seems. Example logic would suggest
that you go long in a up trend. Wisdom may say otherwise.
The CPR is not VAL VAH POC as those are Market Profile Concepts.
CPR is a Floor Trader Pivot Concept.
Good, this helps visual traders stick to a trade plan and have realistic
target that human psychology has money on. Visual traders and a lot
of EA are pivot based.
You could visualise the limit orders say at R! then plot 30 pips back
for the stops make that your entry at value. Same as my S! entry UJ
on the stops
think about what you gonna do before you enter the trade, think
about what u will do if it goes against you. Dont enter any trade
without a plan for failure and win
Also did any of them close above or below daily pivot (Any of the 4)
Your also looking to see if the initial range is wide or Narrow (Wide is
hard to break through but it can gap back - So potential entry on
stops)
Initial Balance
The first type of opening relationship is an open that occurs within the
prior day's price range and within the prior day's value area. An open
that occurs in range and in value indicates market sentiment from the
prior day has not changed and the market is currently in balance.
When it occurs, the day's risk and opportunity are both low.
8 Time out of 10 You will end up with a quiet trading range session
when the open is In range and In Value. So these lead to the
following type of days:
A Typical Day
Trading Range Day
Sideways Day
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If it dont break prior days range and confirm acceptance then your
back to square one , Typical Day, Trading Range Day, or Sideways
Day
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3rd Opening Relationship
Market opens out of the prior day's range and out of the prior day's
value area. On this type of day, the market has opened O/O/B,
Market sentiment has changed from the prior day.
So if the market does fall back within the prior day's range, then the
market is wider and accepting new value which means range
extension.
Big money like this and will enter the market. A Trend Day or Double-
Distribution Trend Day usually arises from this relationship.
But if price drops back within the prior day's range, this means that
responsive market participants were able to push price back toward
prior value, (I.e They drove back price to protect there loosing
orders) indicating a failed breakout attempt, thereby leading to a
Typical Day, Expanded Typical Day, or Trading Range Day. If new
value is rejected in strong fashion, a Trend Day in the opposite
direction could also be seen.
1 Investors
2 Position Traders
3 Swing Traders
4 Day Traders
The initial balance is the high/low from the first hour of a trading
session (i.e. completion of the first 2 letters in the Market Profile). As
Dennis indicated he uses a 24 hour day (some traders may use a
specific session, but he doesn't), so NY open to NY open as an
example.
The value area and POC concepts also come from the Market Profile.
Value Area – The Value Area represents the range of prices that
contain 70% of a day’s trading activity. This 70% represents one
standard deviation and reflects the area where a majority of the
trading occurred. It can be calculated based upon the TPO count
(number of letters in the profile) or more accurately using the actual
volume at each price. It is most commonly referenced to yesterday’s
trading and used as reference points for the current day.
Point of Control (POC) – The price that recorded the most trading
activity
hello dennis, quick one, is your initial balance the 1700hr est?
EDT (Eastern Daylight Time) UTC/GMT -4 hours. your broker may print
the D/O not on Eastern, many will supply extended data if you file
with them.
Your exactly right, I could not agree more and stand corrected. I
should have stated IR and not IB However my charts are 15 Bar not
60 min bars
4) If price breaks above or below your drawn IB box, then use your
Daily or Weekly Pivots in order for you to perceived Buy or Sell entry
with set TP & SL
Yes
So market gaped up and faded back. Your entry was long on the
fade. The initial move up is like your confirmation your in a bull
market,
So
Equity exposure positive and half profit taken of from open position,
We adding back what we took of so use of leverage remain quite
consistent. By taking half of we are enduring that we remember to
bank. If loss on new postion is near = to the open profit of the
remaining half in market i will close both. So minimum profit is first
half banked.
Yes I do its always a concern. I been hurt many times before, hurt
yes really hurt. Thats why I am very low on leverage and how many
pairs \I trade at 1 time.
My psychology is not how to make money, my concern is always not
to loose self control over leverage. Simply UJ is my main pair and EU
is my back up when UJ goes against me. I know many traders will
say why not buy/sell both when your in profit to maximize profits.
Thats not for me. EU is my opposite safe haven. So I can only worry
about over exposure on Uj (Edit) and EU. I dont trade anything else
unless running EA on slots, (Thats another subject)
Max open DD -15% I cant always stick to my rules but thats not
released Draw-down but resulted in a bad positive month. Normal
draw-down is Capt at 5%. That is due to low leverage and narrow
volatility risk levels (-500 pips/$500 usd per every 10k of EQ 5%)
10. Do you carry open positions over weekend? if you do, how do you
manage event risks over the weekend?[/quote]