Randazza Arbitration Testimony

Case 15-01193-abl Doc 144-3 Entered 04/07/17 10:04:43 Page 1 of 239
Arbitration Proceedings ~ Volume II ~ February 10, 2015

***Marc J. Randazza vs. Excelsior Media Corporation***
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1 A. Yes.
2 Q. Short version: Liberty feels entitled to
3 any extra, so the 75K goes to them.
4 Do you see that?
5 A. I do.
6 Q. That's the new ethical problem that
7 you've developed, correct?
8 A. That's how I communicated it to
9 Mr. Gurvits.
10 Q. Are you trying to say now that that
11 statement to Mr. Gurvits is untrue?
12 A. It's -- in part, it is, because I had a
13 conversation with Mr. Gurvits earlier, and I don't
14 recall precisely when or which date, but I told
15 him that I wanted whatever he paid to go to the
16 company. And for some reason, Oron insisted,
17 according to Val, that the maximum amount of money
18 that would ever go to Liberty would be 600,000.
19 At this point, we were dancing around and
20 getting close to the money being transmitted, and
21 I didn't feel like I should continue to BS Val
22 that it was going to go to me as a settlement or
23 some other way that I could then essentially
24 divert it to Liberty.
25 Q. So --
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1 A. I was -- I was confessing to him that the
2 75 has to go to them.
3 Q. So Val, up to this point, believed that
4 he -- the $75,000 was going to you; is that what
5 you are saying?
6 A. I was leading him to believe that. I
7 don't know if he actually believed me or not.
8 Q. Now, Mr. Gurvits responds and he says,
9 Liberty has another problem. It's past Monday.
10 That ship has sailed.
11 Do you see that?
12 A. I do.
13 Q. Mr. Gurvits had previously expressed to
14 you that the settlement offer was only good if it
15 was executed by both parties by August 13th,
16 correct?
17 A. His proposed settlement agreement, yes.
18 That was his stated position at the time.
19 Q. Now, it's your contention in this
20 arbitration that by early August 2012, even before
21 the August 13th meeting when you gave Jason the
22 Oron settlement with the bribe in it, that your
23 relationship with Jason was really bad?
24 A. Yes. I would say it was quite bad by
25 then.

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1 Q. Can you please turn to Exhibit 365?
2 A. I can. I'm there.
3 Q. I'm just going to ask you, Mr. Randazza,
4 about the first e-mail on this page. It's from
5 you to Mr. Gibson on Sunday, August 5th, 2012.
6 A. Yes.
7 Q. You say to Mr. Gibson, Also, I am sorry
8 that I have not provided you with such up-to-date
9 information on what is going on lately. As I have
10 been in the "heat of battle."
11 Do you see that?
12 A. Yes.
13 Q. And then in the last paragraph of your
14 e-mail, you say, Over the next few days, I will be
15 in complete "war mode," but I will still endeavor
16 to keep you better informed about what's going on.
17 Do you see that?
18 A. I do.
19 Q. So it appears that early August, you were
20 very busy with handling the day-to-day of the Oron
21 litigation; is that true?
22 A. That among other things for the company,
23 yes.
24 Q. Can you please go to Exhibit 331?
25 A. Okay. I'm there.

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1 Q. And I want to ask you first about
2 three-quarters of the way down on the first page
3 of Exhibit 331, which is EMC466.
5 Q. So August 7th, in the evening, you text
6 Jason, and you ask him to have dinner, correct?
7 A. Yep.
8 Q. And then Jason responds, he tells you
9 he's at the hair salon, correct?
10 A. Yes.
11 Q. You respond, When you are done, if you
12 want to get some dinner, I'm stag tonight. Don't
13 forget Sunday is Antonio's birthday party, and you
14 are invited.
15 Do you see that?
16 A. Yes.
17 Q. So August 7th, you invite Mr. Gibson to
18 dinner, and you also remind him that he's invited
19 to your son's birthday party that weekend,
20 correct?
21 A. Yes.
22 Q. If you would turn to the next page,
23 EMC467.
24 A. Yes.
25 Q. On August 8th, Mr. Gibson texted you and

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1 said he will be there with JD and Cody. He also
2 says, I'd like you and Erika, if her back allows
3 it, to join us on the lake tomorrow afternoon,
4 since the hearing has been rendered moot.
5 And you respond, I would love to be
6 there. If it is required that I stick around here
7 to get you your Oron money, though, but I bet I
8 can do it on my phone.
9 And Jason responds, There is excellent
10 signal out over the lake. And you respond, Great?
11 Do you see that?
12 A. Yes.
13 Q. So that's the part where Jason invited
14 you out to the houseboat outing on August -- that
15 happened on August 9th, 2012, correct?
16 A. Yes.
17 Q. Going down a little bit further, also on
18 August 8th, there is a text from Jason at 6:36
19 where he says, Would you prefer Rhythm Kitchen
20 instead? And you respond, No difference to me. I
21 like both. But off the Strip is sort of our
22 neighborhood joint. Let's support them. Jason
23 says, Okay. And he says, We are here.
24 Do you recall that you had dinner on
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1 A. I don't deny it, but I have no specific
2 recollection of it.
3 Q. And at 6:54 you say, On my way, on the
4 next page, which is EMC468.
5 Do you see that?
6 A. Yes.
7 Q. And then at 8:21 p.m., you text Jason and
8 say, What's the code? And going to change.
9 Do you see that?
10 A. Uh-huh, yes.
11 Q. And then Jason responds, and he says,
12 Garage door is open. I don't know gate code.
13 Do you recall that after having dinner on
14 August 8th, you went to Jason's home?
15 A. Again, I have no specific recollection of
16 that, but I don't deny that I did.
17 Q. And you respond, and you say, Okay, I'll
18 get it. Am I on your permanent list? Jason says,
19 Yeah, I re-added you, with a winky face.
20 Do you see that?
21 MR. WHITE: I'm sorry. What page are you
22 reading from, Ms. Krincek?
23 MS. KRINCEK: 468.
24 MR. WHITE: Thank you very much.
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1 BY MS. KRINCEK:
2 Q. On August 9th, further down on the page,
3 you texted Jason, and you said, Sorry I forgot to
4 close your garage door last night. I was wicked
5 high.
6 Do you see that?
7 A. Yes.
8 Q. And Jason responds, I figured as much.
9 And this is August 9th. Again he says, I need to
10 put my gun in your car while we are on the boat,
11 if that's okay. You say, Of course.
12 And that's -- he stored his gun in your
13 boat (sic) while the houseboat outing on Lake Mead
14 was happening, correct?
15 A. He stored his gun in my car.
16 Q. I'm sorry. In your car.
17 Later on August 9th, you text Jason, you
18 say, Guess what, Oron is fucking around again.
19 And then you texted him, I'm glad that I did not
20 slack off on the motion for fees or the execution
21 of judgment. These fucking Russian pieces of
22 shit, correct?
23 A. Yes.
24 Q. Then you text Jason, you said, We should
25 have killed them all during the Cold War.

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1 If you move on to the next page, 469.
2 A. Yep.
3 Q. You say, Now I'm going to destroy them.
4 I'm shopping around for a plaintiff who wants to
5 piggyback on our work in Hong Kong and pay up a
6 little bit for it.
7 And then the next day, August 10th, Jason
8 texts you and asks for the Oron status, correct?
9 A. Yes.
10 Q. And then it looks like you exchange some
11 more texts on August 10th, correct?
12 A. Yep.
13 Q. And then August 11th, Jason texts you and
14 he says, Going to go out on the boat later this
15 morning with JD and Cody. Would you, slash,
16 Natalia care to join us, slash, meet up with us
17 out there? You say -- you texted him back, When
18 are you leaving? And he texts you back and says,
19 Flexible. We can leave in 20 minutes or 60 to
20 90 minutes. You are welcome to meet us out there,
21 too. We can pick you up and drop you off if you
22 need to be back earlier.
23 Do you see that?
24 A. I do.
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1 Lake Mead on August 11th, you and your daughter,
2 and offered to drive you out there, correct?
3 A. I -- yes.
4 Q. Do you recall that you joined Jason and
5 his friends on Jason's boat on Lake Mead on
6 August 11th?
7 A. I do.
8 Q. If you will turn to the next page, 470,
9 we're still on August 11th, about three-quarters
10 of the way down, at 6:09 you text Jason after the
11 boat outing, you say, Thank you. We had a great
12 time. Jason texted you back saying, It was cute
13 seeing Natalia drive the boat.
14 Do you see that?
15 A. Yes.
16 Q. Did Natalia get a chance to drive the
17 boat when you guys were out on Lake Mead that day?
18 A. Yes.
19 Q. If you flip over to August -- or, I'm
20 sorry, to EMC471.
21 A. 471, yep.
22 Q. Over the course of the day on
23 August 12th, you and Jason exchange several texts
24 during that day, correct?
25 A. Correct.

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1 Q. Anything hostile about the e-mails that
2 you and Jason exchange that day?
3 A. No.
4 Q. Can you turn to Exhibit 337, please?
5 A. I'm there.
6 Q. The first page of Exhibit 337, which is
7 Bates stamped EMC793, that's a photograph of you
8 and your kids taken while you were out on the boat
9 with Jason on August 11th, 2012, correct?
10 A. Correct.
11 Q. And Page 2 of that exhibit, which is
12 Bates stamped EMC774, that's a photograph of you
13 from the houseboat party on Lake Mead that
14 Mr. Gibson was also at on August 9th, 2012,
15 correct?
16 A. I believe it is. I believe it is, yes.
17 Q. And do you recall that Jason attended
18 your son's birthday party on August 12th?
19 A. He did stop by, yes.
20 Q. If I could have you go back to the text
21 exchanges with Jason, which are Exhibit 331,
22 please.
23 A. Okay.
24 Q. If you'll go to page EMC472.
25 A. Okay.

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1 Q. About a third of the way down on the
2 right, Jason has a text to you on August 12th,
3 2012, at 8:23, and then the next e-mail -- or the
4 next text is from you to Jason on August 14th.
5 Do you see that?
6 A. Yes.
7 Q. So there's no text exchanges between you
8 and Jason on August 13th, correct?
9 A. Not on this printout, no.
10 Q. You said on this printout. Are you aware
11 of other text exchanges on a different printout?
12 A. I just don't know if there -- you know,
13 if -- it would seem strange that a whole day would
14 go by that we wouldn't text message with each
15 other, so I don't know if any are -- have been
16 deleted before this was printed out.
17 Q. Well, you had presented Mr. Gibson on
18 August 13th with the version of the Oron
19 settlement agreement that had a $75,000 bribe in
20 it, correct?
21 A. I don't agree with your characterization,
22 but I understand what you are saying.
23 Q. So August 14th, you text Jason, you say,
24 Ugh, Antonio has it, too, 103 temp. And Jason
25 responds, That sucks.

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1 Do you see that?
2 A. Yeah, that's what leads me to believe
3 there is something -- there may have been some
4 communications there that aren't there anymore,
5 because what am I saying, Antonio has it, too.
6 But I don't recall anything here.
7 Q. And on August 14th, you also text Jason,
8 you say, He just went into tremors. Jennifer is
9 soaking him in cold water prior to taking him to
10 ER. And there is no responsive text from
11 Mr. Gibson to that, correct?
12 A. Not on this printout, no.
13 Q. August 15th, you text Jason, and you say,
14 Lamb chops and filet mignon on the grill. You and
15 Cody like to join us?
16 Do you see that?
17 A. Yes.
18 Q. So on August 15th, you invited Mr. Gibson
19 to dinner, and he did not respond. There is no
20 responsive text, correct?
21 A. Again, it appears to me that there are
22 messages that have been deleted.
23 Q. Well, do you have them?
24 A. I don't.
25 Q. So what are you basing -- have you seen

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1 any of these possibly missing texts? Do you know
2 where we could find them?
3 A. No. Jason would have them. I didn't
4 regularly maintain my texts with Jason because he
5 told me not to.
6 Q. And you -- you turned over your iPhone
7 for forensic examination in this case, correct?
8 A. I did.
9 Q. And the forensic examiner downloaded all
10 the text messages and even jail broke it so he
11 could recover some of the deleted text messages;
12 is that your understanding?
13 A. I guess so, yes.
14 Q. And have you seen any texts in there from
15 that examination?
16 A. I haven't reviewed that.
17 Q. August 16th, you text Jason and say,
18 Breakfast, question mark.
19 Do you see that?
20 A. Yes.
21 Q. And Jason responds, he says, I already
22 ate. Thanks.
23 A. Yes.
24 Q. And later on August 16th, you text Jason,
25 you say, Speed trap on Valley View. If you're

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1 still at home.
2 And there's no responsive text to that,
3 correct?
4 A. Not here, no.
5 Q. Later on August 16th, you text Jason, and
6 you say, You have five minutes? And Jason
7 responds, I do not. And then he responds, Hence
8 the do not disturb sign on my door.
9 Do you see that?
10 A. I do.
11 Q. There is a noticeable change in the tenor
12 of your text exchanges between yourself and
13 Mr. Gibson after August 13th; wouldn't you agree?
14 A. He does appear to be less responsive.
15 Q. And the issue that you and Jason are
16 having at this time is that he is upset about the
17 $75,000 payment, correct?
18 A. I don't believe that.
19 Q. Can you turn to Exhibit 327?
20 A. I see it.
21 Q. This is an e-mail from yourself to
22 Mr. Gibson on August 16th, the same date as those
23 texts we were just looking at.
24 Do you understand that?
25 A. Yes.

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1 Q. Can you read to me the first sentence of
2 your e-mail communication to Jason that day?
3 A. I know you are chafing about that 75K.
4 Q. Thank you. Can you also read for me the
5 second to the last paragraph of the e-mail that
6 you wrote to Jason on August 16th that starts off,
7 Honestly?
8 A. Honestly, if you thought I'd screw you in
9 any way, do you think that I'd have advised you,
10 the other night, that you were not contractually
11 obligated to give me a raise? Remember that? You
12 told me that you thought that, and I was the one
13 who corrected you? I've made about a million
14 bucks here since you hired me. You think I'd put
15 that at risk for a measly 75K?
16 Q. So you state here to Mr. Gibson that you
17 advised him the other night that you were not
18 contractually obligated to give -- he was not
19 contractually obligated to give you a raise,
20 correct?
21 A. Right. He had an option that he didn't
22 have to do it then, as long as he lived up to
23 other conditions. And I made sure he was aware of
24 that.
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1 that?
2 A. Well, he brought up to me, you know, we
3 were talking about a raise, and he said, Well,
4 aren't I obliged -- I'm obliged to give you one.
5 And I said, Well, technically you are not. There
6 are -- there's an out for you in the contract.
7 And it was something like he had to give me a
8 written reason why not, and then some other --
9 some other conditions, which I can't recall right
10 now, but I'm sure we can go back to the contract
11 and look at them if it's relevant.
12 Q. Do you recall telling Mr. Gibson that he
13 had to execute a written memorandum of
14 understanding in order to not give you a raise?
15 A. I don't recall telling him precisely
16 those words, but I think I did tell him that that
17 was the option.
18 Q. Do you think it is appropriate for you to
19 be providing the company legal advice on its
20 contractual obligations towards you?
21 A. Well, as I understood it at that point,
22 he was getting advice from you, so he had separate
23 counsel.
24 Q. When did your conversation about the
25 raise occur?

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1 A. I don't remember the exact evening.
2 Q. When did you find out that he had legal
3 representation?
4 A. Andrew told me at some point in August.
5 Q. So your testimony right now is that you
6 already knew he had legal representation when you
7 had the conversation about the raise, that's not
8 correct?
9 A. I'm sorry. I don't understand the --
10 Q. You just testified --
11 A. -- question.
12 Q. You just testified that at the point
13 where you had the conversation with Jason about
14 the five percent raise --
15 A. Right.
16 Q. -- that you were aware that the company
17 had legal representation through me?
18 A. I suspected that, yes.
19 Q. You didn't know that for sure?
20 A. I didn't have any proof of that, no.
21 Q. And --
22 A. Andrew had just told me that he was
23 meeting with attorneys.
24 Q. Do you know that text exchange about --
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1 meeting with attorneys occurred on August 30th,
2 after you resigned your employment?
3 A. Well, he told me that before, while I
4 still worked there, in his office.
5 Q. Okay.
6 A. So I think that was a second meeting that
7 he was talking about.
8 Q. Do you have any documentation showing
9 that Andrew told you prior to August 30th that the
10 company had retained counsel?
11 A. No. He just told me that there had been
12 a number of meetings with attorneys about me.
13 Q. August 17th, do you recall you attended
14 an executive meeting, and you were asked to
15 compile financial documentation from the legal
16 department, correct?
17 A. I remember a meeting in August. I don't
18 remember -- I can't tell you exactly that date,
19 but --
20 Q. And do you recall being asked at that
21 meeting to compile financial documentation from
22 the legal department?
23 A. Yes, I remember being asked, among other
24 things, for a complete list of all of my clients
25 for RLG.

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1 Q. You refused to provide that list of
2 clients?
3 A. I did.
4 Q. You claimed that was confidential and you
5 couldn't disclose it?
6 A. I said that I would disclose the clients
7 that I had represented in matters of public
8 record, but nobody that I hadn't represented in a
9 matter of public record.
10 And, yes, it was my position that the
11 mere fact that they had retained me was
12 confidential.
13 Q. During the company happy hour on
14 August 17th, you backed your car up to the door of
15 the building and took personal belongings out of
16 your office and loaded them into the trunk of your
17 car, correct?
18 A. Yes.
19 Q. And that was on August 17th?
20 A. I think it was before the happy hour,
21 but, yes.
22 Q. You don't deny that on August 17th at the
23 office you said, Fuck this shit, I quit, or
24 something similar to that; do you?
25 A. I do deny that.

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1 Q. Can you go back to Exhibit 331, which is
2 your texts with Mr. Gibson?
3 A. Yes.
4 Q. Can you go to the page Bates stamped
5 EMC473?
6 A. I'm there.
7 Q. August 18th, towards the bottom, at 7:44,
8 you texted Jason.
9 Do you see which text I'm referring to?
10 A. Yes.
11 Q. You say, I want to have a talk about the
12 terms of my departure and what we can do to
13 preserve the friendship, if anything.
14 And that's on August 18th --
15 A. Yep.
16 Q. -- do you see that?
17 A. I do.
18 Q. You then text, It doesn't have to be now.
19 And then you texted, But I don't think it's
20 appropriate or constructive for it to wait until
21 the end of the shoot. That's just going to make
22 it stew, which I don't think helps either of us.
23 Do you see that?
24 A. Yep.
25 Q. You were considering quitting,

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1 correctly -- I'm sorry.
2 You were considering quitting, correct?
3 A. I was considering it, yes.
4 Q. On the next page, EMC474, Jason responds,
5 and he says, Let's talk Monday. That okay? I
6 have two important scenes to film tomorrow and had
7 two today, which went well. In the interim, I
8 would ask that you please quit assuming the worst
9 and give me the benefit of the doubt, as you are
10 expecting of me, and enjoy your weekend. Of
11 course, any future arrangements, should one be
12 necessary, will be completely amicable to both of
13 us. And you respond, Yes, Monday is fine. Let's
14 have a real conversation then. Glad to hear the
15 above, correct?
16 A. Yes.
17 Q. On August 29th, Mr. Randazza, you were
18 able to get PayPal to transfer the $550,000 of
19 Oron's funds into your trust account, which is the
20 settlement from the July 1st settlement agreement,
21 correct?
22 A. Yeah, they finally did that.
23 Q. Can you go to Exhibit 328?
24 A. I am there.
25 THE WITNESS: Before we start this, can I

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1 take a bathroom break?
2 MS. KRINCEK: Sure.
3 ARBITRATOR HABERFELD: Let's take a
4 recess. Ten minutes.
5 (Whereupon, a recess was taken.)
6 ARBITRATOR HABERFELD: Back on the
7 record.
8 Ms. Krincek?
9 BY MS. KRINCEK:
10 Q. Mr. Randazza, prior to taking the break
11 one of the questions I had asked you was whether
12 you deny that on August 16th, 2012, you said, Fuck
13 this shit, I quit.
14 Do you recall that?
15 A. Yes, I recall denying it.
16 Q. You deny it. Can you turn to Page 191 of
17 your deposition transcript?
18 A. Yes.
19 Q. Lines 2 to 8. Question: Do you recall
20 saying, Fuck this shit, I quit once or twice
21 during the course of that evening?
22 Answer: I do not.
23 Question: Do you deny that you said
24 that?
25 Answer: No. I just don't recall saying

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1 exactly those words.
2 Do you see that?
3 A. Uh-huh.
4 Q. Are you changing your testimony today to
5 deny that you said that?
6 A. I still don't recall saying those words,
7 so --
8 Q. But you do deny it today?
9 A. Yes. I can specifically deny saying, I
10 quit.
12 A. Yes, I'm there.
13 Q. Exhibit 328, and I want to start at the
14 fourth page, which is EMC179.
15 A. All right. I'm there.
16 Q. The middle e-mail, it appears that you
17 had forwarded to Mr. Gibson some correspondence
18 from the Hong Kong counsel, and Jason e-mailed you
19 and said, Gall says in his letter to S.T. Poon
20 that you have already received the $550,000 in
21 your trust account. I'm happy to read that. We
22 need the settlement money wired into the Liberty
23 account today.
24 A. Yes, I see that here.
25 Q. And then you responded on that page,

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1 EMC179, you said, I can't do that today. The
2 settlement terms have not been fully executed, and
3 until they are, I am personally liable for the
4 money plus $55,000 extra. I'm doing what I can to
5 get it all done, correct?
6 A. Yes.
7 Q. And then on Page 178, Jason responds, and
8 one of the things he asks is, What are the terms
9 that haven't been executed?
10 Do you see that at the bottom of the
11 page?
12 A. Yes.
13 Q. And then in your responsive e-mail, you
14 explain to him about how the money got released,
15 and then you tell him about what's left to be done
16 to execute the terms of the settlement, correct?
17 A. Yes.
18 Q. And in Jason's response to you, which
19 starts on the first page of Exhibit 328, Jason
20 says, Thanks for the update. Two questions need
21 to be answered first: How soon can the HK legal
22 fees be frozen? And how soon can the NV legal
23 fees be frozen?
24 Do you see that?
25 A. Yes.

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1 Q. And he says, From what you have said in
2 the past and considering how desperately the
3 company needs the funds, I see three conditions of
4 the settlement agreement that need to be met ASAP,
5 and then he discusses those three conditions.
6 And then at the bottom of Mr. Gibson's
7 response, he says, This is your priority. How
8 soon can you get items 1, 2 and 3 taken care of
9 and forward the 550K to the company account, with
10 the legal fee amounts in Hong Kong and Nevada
11 frozen?
12 Do you see that?
13 Mr. Gibson has told you that getting the
14 remaining settlement terms executed is your
15 priority?
16 A. He's -- I'm sorry. I might not be
17 reading the same place. Okay. Yeah. At the
18 bottom?
19 Q. Yes.
20 A. He asks, How soon can I get 1, 2, and 3
21 taken care of and forward the 550 to the company
22 account?
23 Q. Right.
24 A. Yes, I see that.
25 Q. He's not -- Mr. Gibson is not demanding

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1 that you wire the $550,000 to the company before
2 the remaining settlement terms are executed, he
3 just wants you to expedite getting the remaining
4 settlement terms executed; is that fair?
5 A. Yes.
6 Q. And Mr. Gibson, in his responsive e-mail,
7 also provided a breakdown of how he thought the
8 $550,000 settlement funds would be distributed,
9 and you take issue with that because that has you
10 getting a bonus based upon the net amount, rather
11 than the gross amount; is that fair?
12 A. Yes, that's -- I think that's a fair
13 assessment.
14 Q. And in response on the first page of 328
15 to Mr. Gibson's e-mail, you respond and you say,
16 I'm not forwarding $550,000.
17 Do you see that?
18 A. Yes, yes.
19 Q. You say, I'm taking out my share, the
20 costs we owe to outside parties, and paying myself
21 back the 25,000 I advanced. Then I'm giving you
22 your net, which is more than you expected.
23 And you provide your own breakdown,
24 correct?
25 A. Correct.

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1 Q. Now, that's not how settlements had
2 worked in the past for the company; is it? In the
3 past, you would remit the settlement amounts to
4 the company, and the company would pay vendors?
5 A. There may have been some sporadic
6 situations when it was done that way, but that
7 would have been unusual, so, no, normally I would
8 put the money into the funds -- into the company's
9 account, and then the company would disburse.
10 Q. Was it normal, Mr. Randazza, for you to
11 withhold your own bonus from a settlement payment?
12 A. It was not.
13 Q. Was it normal for you to take out payment
14 for attorney's fees to your firm?
15 A. No. That was very unusual.
16 Q. Can I have you turn to Exhibit 329?
17 A. I'm there.
18 Q. Can you turn to Page 2, which is Bates
19 stamped EMC186?
21 Q. Bottom half of the page, you e-mailed
22 Mr. Gibson, copied Henry Leonard and Brian
23 Lowderman on this e-mail, correct?
24 A. Correct.
25 Q. You send it at 3:10 p.m.; is that

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1 correct?
2 A. That's correct.
3 Q. And you say to Jason, Given our now
4 openly adversarial relationship, it seems
5 appropriate that I withdraw from representing
6 Liberty in any further matters. There might be a
7 way that I continue to wind down existing matters,
8 but it's going to require a call to discuss it.
9 When are you free?
10 Correct?
11 A. Correct.
12 Q. And your subject line was: My continued
13 representation of the company, correct?
14 A. Yep.
15 Q. Is it your position that this is not your
16 resignation from the company?
17 A. That is my position.
18 Q. Is it your contention that your reference
19 to Liberty, specifically, as opposed to Excelsior
20 is significant in any way?
21 A. Yes.
22 Q. What significance does that have?
23 A. Well, I only filed lawsuits on behalf of
24 Liberty, so I didn't think that I should start any
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1 Q. You would -- you testified at the start
2 of your direct testimony that the vast majority of
3 your work was for Liberty Media, correct?
4 A. Yes, yes. So I didn't want to start any
5 new litigation.
6 Q. Well, you don't just say litigation, you
7 say, Any further matters; is that correct?
8 A. Yeah. This was a very quick e-mail
9 whipped off from my iPhone. It wasn't exactly
10 spelling out a contract.
12 A. Sure.
13 Q. Exhibit 306 is the sworn declaration to
14 the arbitrator that you submitted from March 2013
15 when you were arguing to the arbitrator that
16 Excelsior, Liberty, and Mr. Gibson were all alter
17 egos of each other.
18 Can you please turn to Page 7?
19 A. I'm there.
20 Q. Paragraph 25.
21 A. Okay.
22 Q. Can you please read the first two
23 sentences of your declaration?
24 A. Throughout my time at Excelsior, I
25 observed Mr. Gibson giving orders and directing

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1 business on behalf of Excelsior, Liberty, Becar,
2 and HMF. I did not observe any particular
3 attention being paid to the separate identities of
4 those entities when it came to who directed the
5 business of each or how money moved among them.
6 Mr. Gibson gave orders --
7 Q. That's fine. I just wanted the first two
8 sentences. Thank you.
9 A. Oh, sorry.
10 Q. Now, the day before you sent the e-mail
11 that we just looked at regarding your continuing
12 representation of the company, you did wipe your
13 company-issued laptop, correct?
14 A. Correct.
15 Q. You wiped your company laptop on
16 August 28th, 2012, at 12:08 p.m.; is that correct?
17 A. Yes. And can I clarify? Because there's
18 been some apparent discussion of this being
19 inconsistent. I directed Nick Mosier to help me
20 do it. I still say I did it. Nick was merely
21 executing that for me. But in the interest of
22 being completely thorough and accurate, I want to
23 make that clear. I'm not claiming, No, Nick went
24 and did it. I'm claiming I did it, but I had Nick
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1 Q. You are claiming, I think you testified
2 on direct, that Nick remotely accessed your laptop
3 using something called TeamViewer and initiated
4 the wiping?
5 A. At my request, yes.
6 Q. Is that -- you are not changing that
7 testimony, are you?
8 A. No. I just -- I know that there's been
9 some back and forth that I -- that there was some
10 inconsistency when I said I did it, and I said
11 Nick did it. I want to make sure we're very
12 clear. I'm not claiming this was Nick's idea.
13 Q. And you had a part in it. He did it at
14 your request?
16 Q. At your deposition, you actually
17 testified that Nick just verbally told you how to
18 initiate the wiping, and you did it.
20 A. I do recall that.
21 Q. But now you are saying Nick got on the
22 computer and initiated the wiping?
23 A. I have recalled additional details,
24 including the use of TeamViewer software.
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1 to do it, or were you able to watch how he did it
2 when he did it on TeamViewer?
3 A. I don't remember that detail. I mean, I
4 saw the mouse moving around a little bit, but I
5 was off doing other things.
6 Q. So you did agree that you wiped your
7 company laptop on August 28th, 2012, at 12:08.
8 Do you recall that you initiated the
9 wiping feature again on August 29th at 5:40 a.m.?
10 A. I don't recall specifically when it was
11 done. That doesn't sound right. That may be a
12 time zone issue, because I doubt I was up that
13 early in Massachusetts.
14 Q. You are aware the computer forensic
15 examination and the report that we had
16 commissioned for this case shows that the wiping
17 feature was initiated four times on your laptop;
18 once on August 28th, and then three additional
19 times on August 29th, at 5:40 a.m. -- I'm sorry.
20 Twice on August 29th, once in the morning at
21 5:40 a.m., once in the afternoon at 4:11 p.m., and
22 then a fourth time the wiping was initiated on
23 August 30th at 5:41?
24 A. Yeah, I remember seeing that.
25 ARBITRATOR HABERFELD: 5:41 a.m. or p.m.?

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1 MS. KRINCEK: I don't have it. I didn't
2 put the a.m. or p.m.
3 ARBITRATOR HABERFELD: Thank you.
4 MS. KRINCEK: We are submitting the
5 report into evidence with the expert testimony.
6 THE WITNESS: I recall seeing that, yes.
7 BY MS. KRINCEK:
8 Q. So do you admit that you initiated the
9 wiping feature four times on your laptop?
10 A. I remember doing -- I remember doing it
11 again because it had hung up. It seemed like the
12 computer had frozen. I don't personally remember
13 how many times I did it or how many times Nick did
14 it, but I do remember it looking like the computer
15 had frozen a few times.
16 Q. And you initiated the wiping feature more
17 than once because you were deleting things on your
18 laptop, and each time you moved over -- you
19 deleted things, you would initiate the wiping
20 feature. And then when you had a chance to go to
21 your laptop and delete more things, then you would
22 initiate the wiping feature again; is that
23 correct?
24 A. No. I don't know where you are getting
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1 Q. No one from Excelsior told you to wipe
2 the laptop, correct?
3 A. No one instructed me to wipe it.
4 Q. No one told Nick from the company to wipe
5 the laptop, correct?
6 A. Only me.
7 Q. As an attorney, you are aware of the
8 obligation to preserve potentially relevant
9 evidence, correct?
10 A. Correct.
11 Q. You mentioned a few times yesterday
12 prevailing on a case against an entity known as
13 GLBT for discovery abuses; do you recall
14 referencing that?
15 A. I do.
16 Q. The discovery abuse was a spoliation of
17 evidence issue; is that correct?
18 A. I think it was that they refused to turn
19 over evidence when ordered, but I don't recall the
20 exact details.
21 Q. Could it have been that they hadn't
22 preserved or had deleted e-mails or other
23 electronic evidence?
24 A. Again, I don't remember the exact details
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1 Q. Yourself and Mr. Sperlein accused GLBT of
2 spoliating evidence.
4 A. I don't remember the exact details of
5 that case, but that sounds -- sounds right.
6 Q. You had concerns about personal
7 information on your iPhone, correct?
8 A. I did.
9 Q. And when you had personal -- concerns
10 about personal information on your iPhone, instead
11 of wiping your iPhone, you refused to turn it over
12 to the company, correct?
13 A. Correct.
14 Q. And then you were able to put into place
15 a protocol with the arbitrator where there was a
16 forensic examination of your iPhone, and you were
17 allowed to keep out certain personal information
18 from the production.
20 A. Vaguely, yes.
21 Q. That's also a procedure that would have
22 been available to use with your laptop, correct?
23 A. Yeah. At that point, I didn't think we
24 would be in litigation.
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1 aware that the company had retained an attorney,
2 you communicated that you had retained an
3 attorney?
4 A. Yeah. I assumed at that point that Jason
5 and I could work it out. I didn't think there was
6 going to be any fisticuffs.
7 Q. There hasn't been any fisticuffs, have
8 there been?
9 A. Well, that's a colloquial expression for
10 where we are right now, so I didn't expect that
11 there would be litigation or arbitration, or it
12 would get really past us sitting down and having a
13 conversation.
14 Q. Can you go to Exhibit 76 of
15 Complainant's, your exhibits?
16 A. Okay.
17 Q. On Page 2 of this e-mail chain, which is
18 Bates stamped EMC3882, this is an e-mail chain
19 that Mr. White asked you about on direct
20 examination, and he pointed out to you that on
21 Thursday, August 30th, you e-mailed Kirk Addison
22 at the company and said, Okay, I'll try to log in.
23 Do you know my employee number? It was on my
24 computer, which has been wiped.
25 Do you see where I'm referring?

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1 A. Yeah, I remember this e-mail from
2 yesterday.
3 Q. And then Mr. White asked you if
4 Mr. Addison ever responded and told you, Don't
5 wipe your computer.
7 A. Yes.
8 Q. You had already told him that the
9 computer was wiped, right? So there is no point
10 in him telling you not to wipe the computer?
11 A. I don't know. He could have responded
12 any way he wanted, but --
14 A. Do I have that volume? Yes.
15 Q. Mr. Randazza, Exhibit 421 are a series of
16 text messages that were produced by Erika Dillon,
17 your former paralegal --
18 A. Uh-huh.
19 Q. -- at Excelsior --
20 A. Yeah, I see them.
21 Q. -- when she was subpoenaed for
22 deposition.
23 On the first -- on the first page, I just
24 wanted you to note the date before we look at the
25 texts on the following page.

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1 But the first page is dated August 24th,
2 2012.
3 Do you see that?
4 A. I do.
5 Q. So on August 24th, 2012, on Page 2, you
6 texted Erika Dillon, your paralegal at Excelsior,
7 and you said, BTW, which I presume means by the
8 way, if I get my severance, which I might, you are
9 not taking a pay cut of any significance, if at
10 all.
11 Do you see that?
12 A. I do.
13 Q. Now, you are not entitled to severance if
14 you resign, correct?
15 A. Actually, there are conditions under
16 which I would be.
17 Q. If it's on a constructive discharge. If
18 it's a voluntary resignation, you don't get
19 severance; is that your understanding of the
20 contract?
21 A. If it's a voluntary non-coercive
22 resignation, yes.
23 Q. Erika responded, and she said, That would
24 certainly be awesome.
25 Do you see that?

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1 A. Yes.
2 Q. So you and Erika already had an
3 arrangement where Erika knew that she was going to
4 be going to work for you at your firm at Randazza
5 Legal Group as of August 24th, 2012, correct?
6 A. Erika and I had discussed it, yes.
7 Q. And on the bottom of that page, on
8 August 27th, 2012, you texted Erika Dillon and you
9 said, Dictation goes to EED at Randazza.com.
10 Do you see that?
11 A. I do.
12 Q. So there had been an e-mail address for
13 Erika set up at Randazza Legal Group, your law
14 firm, by August 27th, 2012, correct?
15 A. Yes, in anticipation if my employment
16 ended.
17 Q. If you can move forward to the first page
18 that's time stamped at the top 10:40 a.m.
19 A. I'm there.
20 MS. KRINCEK: The first text, Your Honor,
21 on that page says, Nerd up. Need disk info to
22 finalize.
23 BY MS. KRINCEK:
24 Q. Incidentally, before I ask you about
25 August 29th, on August 24th, you filed Articles of

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1 Incorporation for your law firm, Randazza Legal
2 Group, with the Secretary of State here in Nevada;
3 is that correct?
4 A. That sounds right.
5 ARBITRATOR HABERFELD: Can I have that
6 question and answer again, please?
7 (Whereupon, the pertinent part of the record
8 was read back by the court reporter.)
9 THE WITNESS: That was actually for a new
10 Nevada entity. At the time I already had a
11 Florida entity in existence.
12 BY MS. KRINCEK:
13 Q. Your law firm was only registered to do
14 business in Nevada, not incorporated in Nevada up
15 until August 24th, 2012, correct?
16 A. Correct.
17 Q. On August 29th at 12:19 p.m., you texted
18 Erika, you said, Hey, in my review folder in Oron
19 I have a settlement of account document. E-mail
20 it to me, not as an attachment. Use your gmail.
21 Do you see that?
22 A. Yes.
23 Q. So you are having -- asking Erika Dillon
24 to send you something using her personal e-mail
25 address instead of the company e-mail address,

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1 correct?
2 A. Correct.
3 Q. If you'll turn the page, and on -- on
4 this page, just to make sure we're all on the same
5 document, the very top text says. On it. Docs
6 have been filed. Both motions.
7 A. Yeah.
8 Q. Halfway down on that page, on
9 August 29th, 2012, at 12:32, you text Erika, and
10 you say, Get ready. And then you text her, Make
11 sure to log out of servers.
12 Do you see that?
13 A. I do.
14 Q. Now, this is at 12:32 p.m., and your
15 resignation e-mail is not until 3:10 p.m.
16 Do you agree with that?
17 A. No. You -- I think you are confused
18 about time zones, because I think this is her.
19 I'm on the East Coast when I send my e-mails.
20 And, again, I don't agree that it's a resignation
21 e-mail, but I think we should be clear that she is
22 on Pacific time at that time, and I'm on Eastern
23 time at that time.
24 Q. So are you disputing that your e-mail was
25 sent at 3:10 p.m. Pacific time zone?

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1 A. I'm pretty -- can you tell me, just to be
2 clear, which exact e-mail we're talking about?
3 Q. Sure. It is Exhibit 329.
4 A. I mean, I don't know if this makes a
5 difference, but I want to make sure.
6 Q. I have looked, and I do not believe it
7 does off the e-mails regardless of who they're
8 coming from, on what coast, they are all the same
9 time zone, but feel free to prove me wrong.
10 A. I am -- I am certain that the e-mail
11 where it says on -- in Exhibit EMC00186, where it
12 says, Given our now openly adversarial
13 relationship, and that says 3:10 p.m., it is my
14 testimony that that was sent 3:10 p.m. Eastern
15 time, and I -- I have enough signals of
16 recollection to say that, because I remember where
17 I was and who I was with.
18 Q. So it's your testimony that it would have
19 been 12:10 p.m. Pacific time when you sent that
20 e-mail?
21 A. Yes.
22 Q. And then it's your testimony, then, that
23 Excelsior did not respond until 4:04 p.m.,
24 four hours later?
25 A. Yes. No. Wait. What? No. 3:10 p.m.,

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1 I sent something, and then 4:04 p.m. I got my
2 response. So it is my testimony that I got the
3 response approximately 50 minutes later.
4 Q. And you are saying that the company sent
5 you their response at 4:04 p.m. --
6 A. Eastern time.
7 Q. -- Eastern time? Okay.
8 Isn't it true that the time on e-mails
9 are all from the same server, that is the
10 company's server?
11 A. Well, if you are asking me as an expert,
12 I'm not qualified to tell you that, but I can tell
13 you with absolute certainty that this was -- if
14 this was 3:10 p.m. Pacific time, then that would
15 have meant 6:10 p.m. Eastern time, and that
16 wouldn't make any sense.
17 Because I remember we were out wedding
18 dress shopping with my sister at the time, and we
19 wouldn't have been there at that time.
20 Q. Wouldn't have been where?
21 A. At the store. I remember standing
22 outside the store when this happened, and it was
23 mid afternoon.
24 Q. We can establish --
25 A. Again, I don't know --

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1 Q. We can establish the server time, and if
2 you are saying you are certain that is all Eastern
3 time --
4 A. I'm certain that's Eastern time, and I'm
5 relatively certain, although I don't know where
6 Erika was at 12:32 p.m. on August 29th, I'm pretty
7 sure she was in Vegas, which would mean that this
8 was -- that her phone was logging things on
9 Pacific time.
10 Q. Correct. So you are not disputing the
11 times on Exhibit 421 are Pacific time, because
12 this is Erika Dillon's phone?
13 A. I have no basis to dispute that that is
14 the time -- that that is Pacific time there.
15 Q. Okay.
16 A. Correct.
17 Q. So 12:32 p.m. on August 29th, you text
18 Erika, and you say, Get ready. Make sure to log
19 out of servers.
20 Do you see that?
21 A. Yes.
22 Q. And then she responds, and she says, Oh
23 jeeze. Really? Hold on. I have some shit I
24 still need to wipe delete. Give me 15?
25 Do you see that?

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1 A. Yes.
2 Q. And you say, K. Just be ready, correct?
3 A. Yes.
4 Q. And she says, Yeah. I just want to make
5 sure I have everything together.
6 Do you see that?
7 A. I do.
8 Q. On the next page Erika texts you and
9 says, Hey, I need a little more time. I've got
10 the disk stuff transferring now. It's segregated
11 on the CF legal, but it's not done transferring to
12 the shared admin.
13 Do you see that?
14 A. I do.
15 Q. And Erika was in the process of removing
16 information or documents off of the company server
17 and moving it onto a cloud service between two
18 different files, one called the CF legal file and
19 another called a shared admin file for your firm,
20 Randazza Legal Group?
21 A. Yeah, I don't think you have that
22 accurate.
23 Q. What's inaccurate about it?
24 A. What it sounds like she's doing here is
25 she's moving stuff from her laptop to CF legal, if

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1 it was legal files for them. And then shared
2 admin was kind of administrative files that were
3 used for RLG, but like, for example, one of the
4 things that was kept on that shared admin file was
5 the RLG letterhead that we used in correspondence
6 with -- well, for example, with Oron.
7 So I think what she was doing was taking
8 those things that were not Corbin Fisher files and
9 putting them there. She may have also been
10 putting personal documents there, which was her
11 right to do.
12 So it looks to me, if I interpret this,
13 as she was saving files from her laptop.
14 Q. Well, on the day of August 29th, 2012,
15 prior to sending the e-mail, which Liberty
16 construed as a resignation, you had Erika Dillon
17 transfer anything that had to do with Excelsior
18 and Liberty to a cloud-based storage, and cut off
19 the company's access so that they could only have
20 access to it through you, correct?
21 A. Not just that, I wanted her to cut off --
22 Jungle Disk has a number of drives on it that we
23 were using.
24 Q. Can I just stop you for a minute and get
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1 question is, yes, you did have Erika do that move,
2 anything related to Excelsior or Liberty to a
3 cloud-based storage system and cut off the
4 company's access to it so they couldn't access it
5 except through you?
6 A. If you want to break that down into its
7 constituent parts, I can answer each part.
8 Q. Okay.
9 ARBITRATOR HABERFELD: Okay.
10 THE WITNESS: But if you want a global
11 answer to the whole thing --
12 ARBITRATOR HABERFELD: Do you hear --
13 it's Mr. Randazza's way without objecting as
14 counsel, saying you are asking a couple -- it's
15 compound.
16 MS. KRINCEK: I can break it down.
17 ARBITRATOR HABERFELD: If you'd break it
18 down for him.
19 MS. KRINCEK: Okay.
20 ARBITRATOR HABERFELD: Maybe if you would
21 for the arbitrator's benefit get answers to those,
22 unless you wish to jump to something else.
23 MS. KRINCEK: No, that's fine. I can
24 break -- I can break it down.
25 ///

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1 BY MS. KRINCEK:
2 Q. So on August 29th, 2012 -- are you with
3 me?
4 A. I am.
5 Q. Before you send the e-mail to Liberty
6 that it construes as a resignation, you had Erika
7 Dillon transfer anything that had to do with
8 Excelsior and Liberty to a cloud-based storage
9 system, correct?
10 A. I don't know if it was before. I don't
11 think so. I think we're still having some
12 confusion here on the time here.
13 And this seems like it was something she
14 was telling me she was doing, not something that I
15 told her to do.
16 Q. Can you please turn to Page 338 of your
17 deposition?
18 A. Sure. Okay. I'm there.
19 Q. Page 338, Lines 13 to 22. Question:
20 You're having Erika transfer a lot of stuff over
21 to Jungle Disk and then cutting off the Liberty
22 and Excelsior access to that information?
23 Answer: Yes. I wanted all -- all of
24 them -- all documents that had anything to do with
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1 Question: And they wouldn't have access
2 to those documents?
3 Answer: Not without asking me for them.
4 Do you see that?
5 A. I do.
6 Q. Are you disputing your sworn deposition
7 testimony today?
8 A. No.
9 Q. Back to Exhibit 421 and the texts you and
10 Erika are exchanging on August 29th, 2012.
11 12:45 Erika texts you and says, There are
12 still some personal things in your office; tools,
13 shoes, guns, boxes. Should I be trying to take
14 all of that with me?
15 Do you see that?
16 A. I do.
17 Q. And you respond, Ya, correct?
18 A. It doesn't show here, but I believe that
19 looks like the top of a Y.
20 Q. If you turn to the next page, your text
21 is there.
22 Do you see that?
23 A. I don't see it, actually.
24 Q. Oh, in your book we printed out two pages
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1 A. Okay. So let me switch these around.
2 And, yep, I say, Ya.
3 Q. And then Erika texts you and says, Okay.
4 Then I have a lot of stuff to get out of here.
5 Would it be possible for me to walk t-m-r-w, I'm
6 presuming that means tomorrow.
7 Is that your understanding?
8 A. Yes.
9 Q. So I can come in early and clear this all
10 out, or is that not going to happen?
11 And you say, Yep?
12 A. Right.
13 Q. And you tell Erika at the bottom of the
14 page, You can boogie tomorrow?
15 A. Right.
16 Q. Now, at this point are you contending
17 that you haven't sent the e-mail that Liberty
18 construes as a resignation yet?
19 A. I'm really not sure, because I'm confused
20 about the time here. But it's easy to figure that
21 out. Yeah, I sent that at 12:00 -- I think at
22 12:10 p.m. Pacific time, so, yes, that would have
23 already been sent.
24 Q. You are saying your resignation e-mail
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1 e-mail?
2 A. Yes. I decline to refer to it as a
3 resignation e-mail, but that e-mail was sent prior
4 to that.
5 Q. Erika texts you back and says, Phew.
6 Sweet. I'm going to run to lunch while this
7 finishes transferring. And you respond, Just log
8 out of Jungle Disk when you leave today. And
9 erase any e-mails that have the keys in them. Put
10 them in your gmail, correct?
11 A. Correct.
12 Q. And then she e-mails (sic) you, and she
13 says, I've already removed any e-mails with your
14 PW or links.
15 Does PW mean passwords?
16 A. It does.
17 Q. And you say, Okay. Good?
18 A. Yes.
19 Q. And then Erika texts you, and she says,
20 I'll check the e-mail again tonight, and I'll get
21 Nick to help me finish a wipe of everything. And
22 you say, Okay, correct?
23 A. Right.
24 Q. And on August 29th, 2012, at 1:06 p.m.
25 Pacific time, you text Erika, and you say, It

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1 might be today?
2 A. Yes.
3 Q. What are you referring to? What might be
4 today?
5 A. That I might be fired that day.
6 Q. Okay.
7 A. Because I knew I was about to send that
8 e-mail, and I thought Jason might erupt into a
9 fury and fire me.
10 Q. Now, Erika responds, and she says, Okay.
11 I just might have a hard time getting all of your
12 stuff out if they object.
13 Do you see that?
14 A. I do.
15 Q. You say okay?
16 A. Yep.
17 Q. And then at 3:14 p.m., which on the time
18 stamp on your e-mail that Liberty construed as a
19 resignation, the time is 3:10 p.m. So on this
20 text is at 3:14 p.m., you text Erika, and you say,
21 Anything going on?
22 Do you see that?
23 A. Again, I mean, I -- we keep going back to
24 these. These are hours apart, not minutes apart.
25 Q. Okay. The next page, Erika texts you

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1 back, and says, Yeah. We should talk when you
2 have a minute. You respond, you say, Okay. So
3 they are making it out to be like it might all get
4 worked out?
5 Do you see that?
6 A. Yes.
7 Q. And then you text Erika and say, Call me.
8 She responds and says, Hey. Can d-e-f -- I assume
9 means definitely not call you ATM.
10 Is that at the moment?
11 A. At this moment, yeah.
12 Q. And you respond, Okay. Pull the trigger.
13 Do you see that?
14 A. Yes.
15 Q. Does "pull the trigger" mean she should
16 quit?
17 A. Yes.
18 Q. Or does "pull the trigger" mean she
19 should cut off the company's access to the Jungle
20 Disk file?
21 A. It was she should quit.
22 Q. So you say, Okay. Pull the trigger. And
23 then you say, Right away.
24 And then she responds, and she says, Hold
25 on. I want to make sure the Jungle Disk is

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1 offline. And you say, It is.
2 Do you see that?
3 A. Yes.
4 Q. Fischer killed it?
5 A. Yes.
6 Q. That's Jason Fischer, an employee of
7 Randazza Legal Group?
8 A. Yes.
9 Q. He cut off the company's access to the
10 Jungle Disk drive where their documents had been
11 moved?
12 A. He changed all of the passwords for all
13 the drives on Jungle Disk, yes.
14 Q. And then you text Erika and say, Report
15 to RLG office tomorrow with a smiley face,
16 correct?
17 A. Correct.
18 Q. Can you turn to be Exhibit 375?
19 A. All right. I'm there.
20 Q. This, Mr. Randazza, is a document that
21 was Bates stamped EMC1979, and it's a portion of
22 Skype exchanges by yourself and Erika Dillon?
23 A. Yes.
24 Q. Let me direct your attention to a little
25 more than halfway down, there is a Skype exchange

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1 on August 29th, 2012, at 9:22:57 a.m.
2 Do you see that?
3 A. 9:22:57?
4 Q. 57.
5 A. Yes.
6 Q. Marc Randazza, so this is you Skyping
7 Erika, you say, Make a folder in the shared admin
8 drive and move anything remotely personal from the
9 CF drive into it.
10 Do you see that?
11 A. Yes.
12 Q. And then on August 29th, 2012, further
13 down, at 9:26:23 a.m. --
14 A. Yes.
15 Q. -- you Skype Erika, and you say, Today
16 may be D-Day. And she responds, It shall be done,
17 correct?
18 A. Yes.
19 Q. And then at 8/29/2012 at 9:28:56 a.m. --
20 A. Uh-huh.
21 Q. -- you Skype Erika, and you say, When you
22 do quit, make sure you delete your Jungle Disk
23 program, and Erika responds, Roger?
24 A. Right.
25 Q. So in the morning of -- in the morning of

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1 August 29th, 2012, you already knew that Erika
2 would be quitting, correct?
3 A. We were planning for that contingency.
4 Q. Well, you don't say, If you do quit, you
5 say, When you do quit, correct?
6 A. Well, that may be what I say in a very
7 brief Skype from a phone, but, yeah, that's -- it
8 was a contingency. I presumed that while I was
9 away on vacation, Jason would use that opportunity
10 to fire me.
11 Q. I'm going to switch topics now and talk
12 about some of your other allegations.
13 Your amended arbitration claim --
14 THE WITNESS: If we're -- excuse me, if
15 you don't mind. If we're changing topics, can we
16 take a five-minute, not a ten-minute?
17 ARBITRATOR HABERFELD: There really is no
18 such thing in my history, unless you are really
19 warranting that it's truly going to be a
20 five-minute break.
21 In fact, you can go take care of your
22 things, and we'll all stay in place, otherwise
23 it's probably a ten-minute break for everybody.
24 THE WITNESS: You've been doing this
25 longer than I have.

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1 ARBITRATOR HABERFELD: All right. Let's
2 take a ten-minute recess.
3 MR. WHITE: Your Honor, may I inquire?
4 The witness who is next for me, Mr. Green, is
5 across town, and I'm just wondering whether I
6 should be calling him over this afternoon.
7 I will have maybe a half an hour of
8 redirect after Ms. Krincek is finished, so I'm
9 just not sure whether I should call him over here
10 today or not.
11 ARBITRATOR HABERFELD: Why don't you
12 discuss that off the record during this break?
13 MR. WHITE: Yes, sir.
16 record.
17 Ms. Krincek?
18 BY MS. KRINCEK:
19 Q. Mr. Randazza, your Amended Arbitration
20 Claim sets forth a cause of action as Claim 1 for
21 reimbursement of expenses under California Labor
22 Code Section 2802. And in your Amended
23 Arbitration Complaint, that claim refers to
24 expenses that you allegedly weren't reimbursed for
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1 pursuing that portion of the claim, correct?
2 A. I don't recall. But if that's -- has
3 that been stipulated to?
4 ARBITRATOR HABERFELD: Mr. White?
5 MR. WHITE: We did stipulate to drop that
6 portion of it.
8 BY MS. KRINCEK:
9 Q. And then it also refers to the 25,000
10 payment to Gall in Hong Kong that you contributed.
11 Did you reside and work in Nevada at the
12 time you contributed $25,000 to Gall for the Oron
13 litigation?
14 A. I wouldn't call it a contribution, but
15 when I advanced that money out of my own pocket,
16 yes.
17 Q. You lived and worked in Nevada at that
18 time, correct?
19 A. Yes.
20 Q. In Claim 2 of your Amended Arbitration
21 Demand, which is for unpaid wages and vacation
22 time under California Labor Code Sections 201 to
23 203 --
24 A. Can you tell me what exhibit you're
25 referring to? I mean, I know --

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1 Q. If you want to follow along, it's your
2 Amended Arbitration Demand.
3 A. I have a lot of binders in front of me,
4 if there is any way I can --
5 ARBITRATOR HABERFELD: Do you have your
6 own numbering for that?
7 BY MS. KRINCEK:
8 Q. You can look at 302.
9 A. 302, thanks. Counsel, what page would
10 you like me to look at?
11 Q. I'm on Claim Number 2.
12 ARBITRATOR HABERFELD: Showing that it's
13 starting at Page 18; is that correct?
14 MS. KRINCEK: Yes.
15 THE WITNESS: Thank you. Okay. I'm
16 there.
17 BY MS. KRINCEK:
18 Q. So that claim for unpaid wages and
19 vacation time under California Labor Code Sections
20 201 to 203; do you see that?
21 A. I do.
22 Q. You are alleging that Excelsior
23 improperly prorated your salary for your final
24 week of employment in violation of those statutes,
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1 A. Yes.
2 Q. And you resided and worked in Nevada at
3 the time of your separation from employment with
4 Excelsior, correct?
5 A. Yes.
6 Q. And you're alleging that you were owed a
7 five percent raise effective July 1st, 2012, that
8 you were not paid; is that correct?
9 A. Correct.
10 Q. And you lived in and worked in Nevada at
11 that time, correct?
12 A. Correct.
13 Q. Do you recall when you relocated to
14 Nevada; was it mid 2011, approximately?
15 A. Yes.
16 Q. Do you know how much money you are
17 currently holding in your trust account as
18 disputed funds of Liberty's?
19 A. I don't know that number off the top of
20 my head.
21 Q. It's more in excess of $275,000, though,
22 correct?
23 A. I can't give you an exact number. I know
24 it's 200-something thousand.
25 Q. Do you know it's more than 275,000?

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1 A. I don't know the exact figure.
2 Q. Well, you are holding the $275,000 that's
3 remaining from the settlement that was made with
4 Oron, correct?
5 A. Yes, whatever -- whatever is left from
6 what I transmitted is in there. I mean, I can
7 look it up if you would like me to get the exact
8 number.
9 Q. Well, you received, Mr. Randazza,
10 $550,000 into your trust account wired from Oron,
11 correct?
12 A. Yes. I'm -- I'm not trying to be
13 difficult. I just don't remember the exact
14 number.
15 Q. I'm not asking you for the exact number
16 right now. And then you agreed to the release of
17 $275,000 of that to Liberty when they resettled
18 the Oron case, correct; do you recall that?
19 A. I agreed to release a certain portion of
20 it. I remember that was upwards of $200,000.
21 Again, I don't know the exact number. I would be
22 delighted to look it up for you if you would like
23 me to testify to the exact number.
24 Q. Okay.
25 A. Would you like me to look it up?

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1 Q. No, that's okay.
2 If you were going to look it up right
3 now, how would you look it up?
4 A. I would call my office and ask somebody
5 to look at my trust report.
6 Q. Do you agree that the employment
7 agreement does not specifically address the issue
8 of whether your bonus is paid upon the gross or
9 net amount of a settlement?
10 A. No, I wouldn't agree with that. I think
11 it strongly -- I think the totality of it is that
12 it would be gross.
15 Q. On Page 2 of that exhibit, which is Bates
16 stamped 4090, Mr. Randazza, the very bottom text
17 on February 9th, 2010, Jason Gibson e-mailed you
18 and said, I've been wondering about a hypothetical
19 question. Say, for example, we spend 100K in
20 local counsel, expert witness fees, and fees other
21 than your salary and Eric's, and we get 100K
22 judgment that we collect on, does that mean that
23 we owe you 25 percent of the judgment, even though
24 Brian, Andrew, and I end up with nothing? Did we
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1 expenses in the lengthy agreement you and I
2 signed.
3 Do you see that?
4 A. Yes.
5 Q. And you responded, the first sentence of
6 your response, is, We didn't account for that.
7 Do you see that?
8 A. Yes.
9 Q. Thank you. The agreement for you to put
10 $25,000 towards legal fees to Hong Kong is
11 something that you drafted, correct?
12 A. What exhibit are we talking about?
13 Q. Well, did you draft the promissory note
14 for $25,000?
15 A. Yes.
18 Q. This is the promissory note that you
19 drafted regarding the $25,000, correct?
20 A. Yes.
21 Q. You believed obtaining a Mareva
22 injunction would either assist obtaining a
23 settlement with Oron or potentially assist
24 obtaining an even bigger settlement with Oron,
25 correct?

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1 A. I did believe that that would happen.
2 Q. Because if you got the Mareva injunction,
3 then you would be tying up Oron's money on two
4 fronts. You already had it tied up by virtue of
5 the Nevada litigation in the PayPal account, and
6 if you got the Mareva injunction, you would have
7 the Hong Kong money tied up, as well, correct?
8 A. I'm not entirely sure that that timeline
9 is accurate. I mean, it may be, but I thought we
10 did both of them virtually simultaneously.
11 Q. Do you know whether or not the money in
12 the PayPal account was already frozen at the time
13 you had the meeting with the company where you
14 agreed to put in $25,000?
15 A. I don't remember, but I'm sure that's
16 quite well-documented in our -- in our papers
17 here.
18 Q. Do you recall, Mr. Randazza, how much
19 monies of Oron's you were able to have frozen in
20 their PayPal account?
21 A. I could guess about around $2 million,
22 but I didn't know exactly where. And that was
23 just of the money that I knew where it was. I
24 didn't know where all of their money was.
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1 their money anywhere that had a British flag over
2 it.
3 Q. You received a bonus on settlement
4 amounts pursuant to your settlement -- or your
5 employment agreement, correct?
6 A. Yes.
7 Q. So obtaining a settlement with Oron or
8 obtaining an even larger settlement with Oron
9 would both be of benefit to you personally,
10 because you would be getting a bonus or getting a
11 bigger bonus; is that fair?
12 A. Yes.
13 Q. Did Mr. Gibson say to you that you were
14 going to be fired if you didn't contribute
15 $25,000?
16 A. He did not say those exact words.
17 Q. Did you ever advise Liberty in writing of
18 the desirability of consulting with independent
19 counsel about entering this transaction with you?
20 A. I did not.
21 ARBITRATOR HABERFELD: Which transaction?
22 MS. KRINCEK: The $25,000 promissory
23 note.
24 ARBITRATOR HABERFELD: Thank you.
25 THE WITNESS: No, because I had -- I

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1 think this was based on an exact promissory note
2 that the company had me write for another employee
3 that was borrowing money from the company.
4 Q. But when you presented this promissory
5 note to the company for execution, you did not
6 advise them that they should consult with
7 independent counsel, correct?
8 A. I have no recollection of doing so.
9 Q. And did you ever explain to Liberty in
10 writing your role as a lender with respect to this
11 promissory note?
12 A. I didn't look at myself as a lender.
13 Q. But you had no discussions with Liberty
14 whether or not you were a lender and what your
15 responsibilities as a lender would be towards
16 them; is that correct?
17 A. Well, I wouldn't say that. We had
18 always -- in the course of my employment, I had
19 often advanced money that I got reimbursed for.
20 But this time it was the biggest amount of money
21 that I had ever advanced, and I was very nervous
22 about it, so I don't think it was -- it was not a
23 lender relationship here. This was just an
24 advance of funds.
25 Q. Did you ever, prior to presenting Liberty

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1 with this promissory note for execution, enter
2 another promissory note with the company?
3 A. No.
4 Q. I'm going to move on to a different topic
5 now. It's an entity called XNXX.
6 What is XNXX?
7 A. It's an adult Website.
8 MS. KRINCEK: And so the arbitrator
9 understands, Mr. Randazza was not asked about XNXX
10 at his deposition because we were not aware that
11 XNXX was a client of his until the retainer
12 agreement with XVideos was unredacted and the
13 reference -- we could see the references to XNXX
14 being his client.
15 BY MS. KRINCEK:
16 Q. XNXX is a tube site, correct?
17 A. Actually, that's not how I understand it.
18 Q. What type of entity do you understand
19 them to be?
20 A. I understand it to be a framing site,
21 which is a -- it's a -- it's a species of Website.
22 The most famous one is Vidster or MyVidster, where
23 the videos are actually not uploaded to or present
24 on the Website, they are present on other
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1 Really interesting legal issue there,
2 but -- that the Seventh Circuit went through in a
3 not too recent opinion. Vidster or MyVidster is
4 really the paradigm.
5 But it puts a frame around a video that
6 is hosted on another Website.
7 Q. Is XNXX sometimes accused of copyright
8 infringement because pirated materials are found
9 on it?
10 A. See, that's the problem, they are not
11 found on it, they are on another Website that,
12 then, XNXX frames. However --
13 ARBITRATOR HABERFELD: Do you want to --
14 no pun intended -- reframe the question?
15 BY MS. KRINCEK:
16 Q. Well, I asked if they were ever accused
17 of it, I believe?
18 A. Yeah. And I was going to say -- I just
19 wanted to be thorough in my answer -- that,
20 however, they do receive accusations of it, as
21 you've asked.
22 Q. Is XVideos a tube site?
23 A. Yes.
25 A. All right. I am there.

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1 Q. On this is an e-mail from you to Jason
2 Gibson dated January 27th, 2010.
3 Do you see that?
4 A. Yep.
5 Q. You say, Jason, Gill Sperlein is bringing
6 a lawsuit against XVideos, which was a target I
7 had in my cross hairs.
8 So you were considering bringing suit
9 against XVideos on behalf of Liberty Media,
10 correct?
11 A. Yes.
12 Q. He's gathered a consortium of adult
13 companies to join in. He would like us to join
14 in. We would have to kick in 5K for costs.
15 The last paragraph you say, I think it --
16 that it has a good chance of making more than that
17 in net profit. Even if it does not, XVideos and
18 XNXX will probably be destroyed by the litigation,
19 and I think that 5K to have our name on that
20 result will be worth it.
21 Do you see that?
22 A. Yes.
23 Q. So it appears from the last paragraph
24 that you believed at this time that XVideos and
25 XNXX were affiliated, correct?

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1 A. Yes. On that date, yes, and thereafter.
3 A. Okay. I'm looking at it.
4 Q. Exhibit 394 is billing records for Corbin
5 Fisher from Randazza Legal Group that you produced
6 in this arbitration proceeding.
7 Please turn your attention to the middle
8 billing entries under where it says XVideos.com.
9 A. I'm looking at it.
10 Q. February 15th, 2010?
11 A. Yes.
12 Q. It appears that you reported billing
13 2.3 hours to research and drafting documents to be
14 used to expose owner of XNXX.com presumed to be
15 the same as XVideos.
16 Do you see that?
17 A. I do.
18 Q. So you spent time researching the
19 connection between XVideos and XNXX on behalf of
20 Liberty Media, correct?
21 A. Yes, because at the time, I didn't -- I
22 saw the framing site, and it confused me, the same
23 way it confused -- confused -- it may have
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2 Q. This is a legal services fee agreement
3 that you entered with XVideos and also with XNXX,
4 correct?
5 A. Yes.
6 Q. And you entered this fee agreement with
7 XVideos and XNXX on June 19th, 2010, according to
8 the last page of the document; is that correct?
9 A. Yes.
10 Q. So in February 2010, you were researching
11 pursuing XVideos, XNXX. In June 2010, you take on
12 XNXX and XVideos as your client, correct?
13 A. Correct.
14 Q. Under Scope of Services, which was also a
15 portion that was previously redacted, it appears
16 that you were being retained by XVideos and XNXX
17 for prelitigation informal and formal mediation
18 that they were going to engage in with several
19 different entities, Digital Playground, LPF Video
20 Group, IO Group DBA Titan Media, et cetera.
21 What type of entities are those,
22 generally?
23 A. Those were Gill's clients.
24 Q. Do they produce pornography?
25 A. Yes.

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1 Q. And they were accusing XVideos and XNXX
2 of copyright infringement?
3 A. They were.
4 Q. And they're companies like Liberty Media,
5 that produce and sell pornography, correct?
6 A. I don't know if they are like Liberty
7 Media.
8 Q. But they produce and sell pornography?
9 A. They do.
10 Q. And Liberty Media produces and sells
11 pornography?
12 A. Yes, it does.
13 Q. They were represented by Gill Sperlein,
14 correct?
15 A. They were.
16 Q. Is this the matter that you e-mailed
17 Jason about in January when you said Gill Sperlein
18 was putting together a consortium?
19 A. Yes.
20 Q. So when you e-mailed Jason in January,
21 you were proposing that Liberty Media join this
22 group of entities that was pursuing XVideos and
23 XNXX, correct?
24 A. Yes.
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1 the fence, you are going to represent XVideos and
2 XNXX, correct?
3 A. Correct.
4 Q. And you received a $35,000 retainer from
5 XVideos and XNXX for your representation, correct?
6 A. We did.
7 Q. And there is no conflict waiver from XNXX
8 or XVideos in its retainer agreement that would
9 allow you to sue them on behalf of Liberty,
10 correct?
11 A. I saw no need for one.
12 Q. Did you obtain written consent from
13 Excelsior or Liberty to represent XNXX in
14 June 2010?
15 A. No, I saw no need for it.
16 Q. Did you ever, during the course of your
17 employment with Excelsior, obtain written consent
18 to represent XNXX?
19 A. Again, I never saw a conflict by this
20 point. Had this happened in February, I probably
21 would have. But after doing my due diligence, I
22 didn't see a conflict.
23 Q. Let me have you actually answer the
24 question that I asked. Did you ever, during the
25 course of your employment with Excelsior, obtain

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1 written consent to represent XNXX?
2 A. No.
3 Q. Did you ever, during the course of your
4 employment, disclose to Excelsior or Liberty in
5 any fashion that XNXX was a client of yours?
6 A. I can't testify that I recall doing so,
7 but there may be something that refreshes my
8 recollection of that.
9 Q. You were able to settle this matter with
10 Mr. Sperlein on behalf of XNXX and XVideos,
11 correct?
12 A. I was.
13 Q. And what amount of monetary payments did
14 the plaintiffs receive as part of that settlement?
15 A. I don't recall the exact amount, but I do
16 recall it being quite small. It was something
17 around -- I want to say around $100,000, but I
18 don't have the settlement agreement. And even if
19 I did, I'm not sure if I'm able to disclose that
20 information.
21 Q. Well, you already disclosed to the XNXX
22 and XVideos installed -- installation -- installed
23 Vobile as part of the settlement, so you've
24 already disclosed some of the terms of the
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1 A. That was actually public, publicly
2 disclosed.
3 Q. It was publicly disclosed that they
4 install Vobile or publicly disclosed they
5 installed it as a result of a settlement?
6 A. I don't recall, but I recall that being a
7 public term.
8 Q. So you are not sure of the exact monetary
9 amount as you sit here today that the matter with
10 XNXX and XVideos resolved for, but you believe it
11 was in the six figures?
12 A. The very low six figures, maybe 100 to
13 125,000.
14 Q. When you took on XNXX as a client, you
15 were aware that infringing material belonging to
16 Liberty was being located on that Website; is that
17 correct?
18 A. No. That's the thing, it's a framing
19 site.
21 A. Yes. I see it.
22 Q. You've referenced several times that it's
23 a framing site, but Mr. Sperlein brought claims
24 against XNXX and XVideos, notwithstanding the fact
25 that it's a framing site, correct?

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1 A. Yes.
2 Q. Exhibit 422.
4 Q. Somebody e-mails into the company and
5 says, Below, please find a link to your
6 copyrighted content, Josh's First Time on
7 XNXX.com.
8 Do you see that?
9 A. Yes.
10 Q. And that was forwarded to your attention
11 on October 9th, 2009, correct?
12 A. Yes.
13 Q. And if you turn the page to EMC4999.
14 A. Yes.
15 Q. January 1, 2010, someone forwards to you
16 a link to XNXX to alert you that that and several
17 other Corbin Fisher clips are found on this tube
18 site.
19 Do you see that?
20 A. I'm sorry. Give me the Bates number
21 again, please.
22 Q. 4999.
23 A. Okay. I'm there. Yes.
24 Q. January 1, 2010, somebody alerts you to
25 other videos on XNXX.com, correct?

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1 A. Yes.
2 Q. And you respond, you say, Lucas, thank
3 you very much. I knew of this site, but had no
4 idea they were hitting us. Thanks a whole ton,
5 correct?
6 A. Yes.
7 Q. If you turn the page to EMC5000.
9 Q. March 27th, 2010, another alert is sent
10 about XNXX having Corbin Fisher content on it,
11 correct?
12 A. Yes.
13 Q. And you were notified of that, that
14 e-mail was forwarded to you on March 28th, 2010,
15 it looks like, correct?
16 A. Yes.
17 Q. Can you turn the page? This page is
18 Bates stamped MJR59781, so it's a document that
19 you produced in this litigation, and it's dated
20 September 19, 2010. June 2010 is when XNXX and
21 XVideos signed the retainer agreement with you.
22 An alert had come in about more Corbin Fisher
23 content being found on XNXX.com, correct?
24 A. Yes.
25 Q. The next page, 59781, is a duplicate that

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1 I included by accident, so I'm not going to ask
2 you about that.
3 A. Okay.
4 Q. But the page after that, MJR65307.
5 A. Okay.
6 Q. December 8, 2007, you receive an e-mail
7 that says, Here you go. I watch way too much
8 porn. And there is links to XNXX and Corbin
9 Fisher, movies available on it, correct?
10 A. Correct.
11 Q. And you respond and say, Thank you,
12 correct?
13 A. Yes.
14 Q. Next page, MJR66782, this is from
15 January 3rd, 2011, and a report is received that
16 this site is full of your videos, and it's a
17 link -- or the Website identified as XNXX.com,
18 correct?
19 A. Yes.
20 Q. Next page, MJR67961, January 20th, 2011,
21 somebody e-mails and says, Brian, I caught this,
22 and it's another link to Corbin Fisher videos on
23 XNXX.
24 Which is then forwarded to you, correct?
25 A. Correct.

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1 Q. Next page, MJR73603, it's an alert that
2 comes in on April 4th, 2011, showing that more --
3 another video is found on XNXX.com of Corbin
4 Fisher's, correct?
5 A. I don't know if this came to me.
6 Q. Well, it's coming to the
7 privacy@corbinfisher.com e-mail address, correct?
8 A. Correct.
9 Q. You had access to that e-mail address,
10 correct?
11 A. I think I was copied on these e-mails,
12 but most of them would go into a folder that I
13 only looked through periodically, so it didn't
14 come directly into my inbox.
15 Q. You produced these e-mails in this case,
16 correct?
17 A. I don't know.
18 Q. They have your Bates stamp on it.
19 A. Okay.
20 Q. So you are not disputing that you
21 produced them, are you?
22 A. No, I'm not.
23 Q. Okay.
24 A. But we -- we produced everything that we
25 had, whether I had clicked it open or not at the

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1 time.
2 Q. Please look at the next page, MJR74236.
3 April 26th, 2011, another alert is
4 received of Corbin Fisher material being found on
5 XNXX.com, correct?
6 A. I see it.
7 Q. Next page, MJR74391, April 30th, 2011,
8 another report is received of Corbin Fisher
9 material on XNXX.com, correct?
10 A. Yes, that's what the e-mail says.
11 Q. The next page, MJR76662. It appears in
12 this e-mail, Ms. Randazza, that Brian Dunlap of
13 Excelsior sent a takedown request to XNXX, and the
14 e-mail was returned as not being able to be
15 delivered.
16 A. Uh-huh.
17 Q. Do you see that?
18 A. Yes.
19 Q. And so then at the top, it says, From:
20 Marc Randazza, To: Randazza Legal Group, and then
21 BCC: Marc J. Randazza.
22 You forwarded the e-mail to your law firm
23 address, correct?
24 A. Yes.
25 Q. Can you turn to MJR77883?

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1 A. Yes.
2 Q. This is an e-mail from Cameron Frost to
3 Jason Gibson, you are copied on it, from
4 August 23rd, 2011. And Mr. Frost is reporting
5 Corbin Fisher material found on XNXX.com, correct?
6 A. Correct.
7 Q. And then at the bottom of that e-mail,
8 Cameron says, They claim that they're sponsored
9 and provide a link to CF, but the clips are three
10 minutes long and certainly enough for people to
11 get off to.
12 Do you see that?
13 A. Yes.
14 Q. And on the next page, MJR77903.
15 A. Yes.
16 Q. This is a continuation of the e-mail from
17 Cameron Frost. On Page 1 at the bottom, you
18 respond to Mr. Frost's e-mail on August 23rd,
19 2011, and you say, They, referring to XNXX, are
20 "sort of" sponsored. These are part of the FSC's
21 Vobile network. The system truncates them to
22 three minutes because that is what we set our
23 rules to. We can change them at any time.
24 Do you see that?
25 A. Yes.

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1 Q. And the top e-mail is Mr. Gibson
2 e-mailing you that same day, August 23rd, 2011,
3 and he says to you, You just proved that Vobile is
4 shit.
5 Do you see that?
6 A. Yes.
7 Q. Says, Get us out of it. Get our content
8 off that site and sue the fuck out of them, if we
9 can.
10 Do you see that?
11 A. Yes.
12 Q. He's asking you to sue XNXX, correct?
13 A. Yes.
14 Q. Did you ever sue XNXX on behalf of
15 Liberty?
16 A. I did not.
17 Q. With respect to tube sites, is it
18 significant when you find a copyright infringer
19 that does not have a registered DMCA agent?
20 A. It is a factor.
21 Q. That makes them an easier target to sue,
22 correct?
23 A. It is one factor among many under the
24 DMCA's absolute immunity. If they have that, then
25 they have absolutely immunity. So if they don't

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1 have it, they don't have absolutely immunity.
2 Q. So that's a good thing if you find
3 someone that is infringing your material and they
4 don't have a DMCA agent, it's easier for you to
5 get liability, correct?
6 A. No, you don't understand how it works.
7 Q. I'll withdraw the question.
8 But it's preferable for -- if you are
9 pursuing a copyright infringer, it's better for
10 the plaintiff if they don't have a DMCA agent?
11 A. No, it is not. It's better if, as I was
12 commanded by Jason, to get links down, it's better
13 if they have an agent, because then they take
14 everything down when they get the notice.
15 Q. That's not what I'm asking. If you are
16 suing a tube site for copyright infringement, it's
17 preferable that they not have a DMCA agent,
18 correct?
19 A. No.
20 Q. Okay.
21 A. I don't know why you are raising your
22 voice to make that point, but it's not.
23 Q. I don't think I'm raising my voice, but I
24 don't mean to.
25 So XVideos and XNXX agree to use Vobile

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1 as part of the settlement on the matter that you
2 represented them on, correct?
3 A. Correct.
4 Q. Can you go to -- can you go to
5 Exhibit 389?
6 A. I'm there.
7 Q. If you go to Page 2 of Exhibit 389, which
8 is Bates stamped 4578.
10 Q. There's a report at the very first e-mail
11 on the bottom of the page on 4578, it says, We
12 have identified a Website stealing Corbin Fisher
13 videos, full videos stolen from you, and in use on
14 the site.
15 And that is an e-mail that comes into the
16 company, and then it is forwarded to you from the
17 Corbin Fisher feedback@amateurcollegemen.com
18 e-mail address, correct?
19 A. Correct.
20 Q. And then on the first page, Brian Dunlap
21 then e-mails Corbin Fisher e-mail address and
22 copies you, and says XVideos.com is the actual
23 site, correct?
24 A. Correct.
25 Q. And Jason e-mails and asks you, Are we

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1 pursuing these guys? And you respond, and you
2 say, I am pursuing them, yes. But, this guy, I'm
3 building a little trap around. Jason responds and
4 say, Just a little one? And you respond and say,
5 Just big enough to snap a nasty metal bar across
6 his wiener.
7 Do you see that?
8 A. Yes.
9 Q. And that's on February 15th, 2010,
10 correct?
11 A. Correct.
12 Q. And you are referring to XVideos.com,
13 correct?
14 A. Correct. I was investigating them at
15 that point.
17 A. Okay.
18 Q. The first page of Exhibit 410 is Bates
19 stamped MJR46321. This is the report of Corbin
20 Fisher material found on XVideos.com that came in
21 on March 24th, 2010, correct?
22 A. Correct.
23 Q. Next page, MJR52478, this is a report of
24 Corbin Fisher material found on XVideos.com that
25 came in on March 25th, 2010, correct?

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1 A. Correct.
2 Q. Next page, MJR52479, March 25th, 2010,
3 another report of Corbin Fisher material found on
4 XVideos.com, correct?
5 A. Correct.
6 Q. Next page, MJR46930, May 11th, 2010,
7 another report of Corbin Fisher material being
8 found on XVideos.com comes in, correct?
9 A. Correct.
10 Q. MJR47020, May 19th, 2010, another report
11 of Corbin Fisher material found on XVideos comes
12 in, correct?
13 A. Yes.
14 Q. June 21st, 2010, another report of
15 XVideos material being found on Corbin -- another
16 report of Corbin Fisher material being found on
17 XVideos.com comes in, correct?
18 A. Correct.
19 I'd ask you to turn your attention to who
20 these are from and to, though. Some of these are
21 forwarded back and forth amongst the same e-mail
22 address.
23 So, again, I'm not saying that I read any
24 of these at the time. They were in my --
25 essentially in my Spam folder.

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1 Q. You don't know whether or not you read
2 these; is that what you are saying?
3 A. The majority of these that came in, I did
4 not read.
5 Q. Okay.
6 A. Because I was not the only person that
7 they went to.
8 Q. You were aware at this time that Corbin
9 Fisher material was being found on XVideos.com?
10 A. I was aware that third parties were
11 uploading Corbin Fisher videos to XVideos, yes.
12 Q. Next page, MJR55477, June 21st, 2010,
13 this is another report of Corbin Fisher material
14 being found on XVideos.com, correct?
15 A. Correct.
16 Q. And the next page, MJR55478, another
17 report of XVideos.com having copyrighted material
18 of Corbin Fisher on it on June 21st, 2010,
19 correct?
20 A. Yes.
21 Q. MJR55480, the next page, another report
22 from June 21st of more Corbin Fisher material
23 being found on XVideos.com, correct?
24 A. Correct.
25 Q. MJR55481, also on June 21st, 2010,

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2 found on XVideos.com, correct?
3 A. Yes.
4 Q. MJR47906, July 8th, 2010, another report
5 of Corbin Fisher material being found on
7 A. Yep.
8 Q. Next page, 48026, another report is
9 received of Corbin Fisher material received --
10 being -- sorry -- being found on XVideos.com on
11 July 10th, 2010, correct?
12 A. Correct.
13 Q. Next page, MJR48302, July 22nd, 2010,
15 found on XVideos.com, correct?
16 A. Correct.
17 Q. Next page, MJR48303, July 22nd, 2010,
18 another report of Corbin Fisher material on
20 A. Which Bates are we on? I'm lost.
21 Q. 48303.
22 A. Correct.
23 Q. Let me have you, if you could page
24 through, there is a lot more reports of Corbin
25 Fisher material being found on XVideos.com, but

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1 we'll skip over them so we can move on a little
2 bit.
3 Can you move forward to the page that's
4 Bates stamped MJR61169?
5 A. I'm there.
6 Q. Bottom of this e-mail looks like a report
7 comes in, and says, There are a ton of your videos
8 on this site. We just had ours taken down, but
9 usually they go back up under a different name.
10 And there's a link to XVideos.com,
11 correct; do you see that?
12 A. From Randy Blue, yeah.
13 Q. And then Brian Dunlap forwarded that to
14 you with an FYI September 28th, 2010, correct?
15 A. Correct.
16 Q. Let's skip the next two pages.
17 Can you go to the page that Bates stamped
18 MJR62013?
19 A. Yeah, I'm there.
20 Q. Report came in on October 9th, 2010, of
21 Corbin Fisher material being found on XVideos.
22 Do you see that?
23 A. Yes.
24 Q. And you forwarded that report to your
25 client at XVideos, correct?

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1 A. I did.
2 Q. So you did see that
3 piracy@corbinfisher.com report, correct?
4 A. Yes. When I saw them, and the video was
5 live still and hadn't been already suppressed by
6 them, I would forward it to them, and they would
7 take care of it for me.
8 Q. And then XVideos responded to you, and
9 said, Hi, the video is being deleted?
10 A. Correct.
11 Q. It's the next page, EMC4583.
12 A. Yeah.
13 Q. On January 17th, 2011, Andrew Rasmus
14 wrote to you, he included a link to XVideos, and
15 he says, Does not have a registered DMCA agent.
16 Do you see that?
17 A. Yeah. He was actually incorrect about
18 that.
19 Q. And then he included a link to a Corbin
20 Fisher video on XVideos, and he said, Can we go
21 after them?
22 Do you see that?
23 A. Yep.
24 Q. XVideos is your client at this time,
25 correct?

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1 A. Yes.
2 Q. And you respond to Mr. Rasmus, and you
3 say, They actually got on board with the FSC's
4 Vobile program that should, if we do our business
5 rules correctly, turn into a trailer for us; is
6 that correct?
7 A. That was the deal we made with Vobile.
8 Q. Can you flip through a few pages until
9 you are at MJR74331?
10 A. I don't think I have it.
11 Q. MJR74331.
12 A. There it is. These are a little out of
13 order. Yep.
14 Q. A report of Corbin Fisher material came
15 into the piracy e-mail address at Corbin Fisher
16 about Corbin Fisher material being found on
17 XVideos.com on April 27th, 2011, correct?
18 A. Yes.
19 Q. And you forward it to Jason Fischer,
20 who's an attorney for Randazza Legal Group,
21 correct?
22 A. I did.
23 Q. And you tell Jason Fischer, send a
24 warning, bill at least .4.
25 A. Yep.

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1 Q. So you are telling Jason Fischer to send
2 a warning to XVideos about Corbin Fisher content
3 being found on it and to bill XVideos four-tenths
4 of an hour for that; is that correct?
5 A. Well, he would be sending them a written
6 warning with an explanation of the deal that we
7 had with them, that they would take everything
8 down. I think that would take him at least that
9 much time.
10 Q. But that bill at least .4 is your
11 direction to Jason Fischer to bill XVideos?
12 A. Right.
13 Q. Not to bill Liberty?
14 A. Oh, yeah.
16 A. Okay.
17 Q. So when Andrew Rasmus e-mailed you on
18 January 17th, 2011, and provided the link to the
19 XVideos Website and said, It does not have a
20 registered DMCA agent, you responded to Andrew and
21 you said, Plus there's a complication. As an
22 alternative avenue of trying to get tube sites to
23 behave themselves, as opposed to suing every one
24 of them, Jessica Christensen and I personally
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1 Speech Coalition, thus making it an ethical
2 problem if we sue this particular tube site.
3 Do you see that?
4 A. I do.
5 Q. When you told Andrew Rasmus this Jessica
6 Christensen and yourself personally shoved Vobile
7 down their throats for the Free Speech Coalition,
8 that wasn't true, correct?
9 Vobile was adopted by XVideos as part of
10 the settlement with Gill Sperlein's clients that
11 you represented them in, correct?
12 A. Well, that coalition was the Free Speech
13 Coalition.
14 ARBITRATOR HABERFELD: I think you should
15 listen to the question one more time.
17 ARBITRATOR HABERFELD: I may be not
18 accurate, but let's make sure everybody hears the
19 question, please. Please listen carefully,
20 Ms. Krincek.
21 (Whereupon, the pertinent part of the record
22 was read back by the court reporter.)
23 ARBITRATOR HABERFELD: Was the "them" --
24 do you understand what I'm saying?
25 MS. KRINCEK: Yeah. So let me -- let me

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1 just withdraw that and rephrase it.
2 BY MS. KRINCEK:
3 Q. So you're representing here that you and
4 Jessica shoved Vobile down XVideos' throat for the
5 Free Speech Coalition, correct?
6 A. Yes.
7 Q. In fact, XVideos agreed to adopt Vobile
8 as part of the settlement with Mr. Sperlein's
9 clients in the matter that you represented them on
10 in mediation, correct?
11 A. As part of it, yes.
12 Q. The last paragraph of your e-mail to
13 Andrew Rasmus you say regarding XVideos, Naturally
14 there is this particular fuck up on their part.
15 But let's set the ethical issue aside. The fact
16 that they have installed Vobile creates a strong
17 defense on their part, correct?
18 A. Correct.
19 Q. You're advising Andrew Rasmus about the
20 strength of XVideos' defenses to a claim against
21 them by Liberty Media, correct?
23 Q. Now, on this e-mail, you told Andrew that
24 Vobile was shoved down XVideos' throat for the
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1 disclose to the company that XVideos was a client
2 you had represented, correct?
3 A. No.
5 A. Yes. I remember this from yesterday.
6 Q. This is the e-mail where somebody has
7 sent a report of Corbin Fisher material being
8 found on XVideos.com?
9 A. Yes.
10 Q. And you respond, and you say, This is a
11 good example of fair use of our materials. I see
12 the reporter's point, but using parts of our films
13 for a compilation is likely to be held as fair
14 use.
15 Do you see that?
16 A. I do.
17 Q. And further down you say, However, if we
18 brought a claim against this, and you're referring
19 to the video that was found on XVideos, correct?
20 A. If we brought a claim against the user
21 who uploaded it, yes, that's exactly what I'm
22 referring to.
23 Q. We would look bad.
24 A. Yes.

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1 A. Yes.
2 Q. If we did a DMCA takedown, we would be
3 subject to counter-notification and attorney's
4 fees.
5 Do you see that?
6 A. I do.
7 Q. A DMCA takedown would be going to
8 XVideos; do you -- is that correct?
9 A. That would be the first place it would
10 go.
11 Q. Right.
12 ARBITRATOR HABERFELD: Are we at a
13 convenient break point, or getting to one?
14 MS. KRINCEK: Yes. Let me just ask a few
15 more question.
16 ARBITRATOR HABERFELD: How about five
17 more minutes?
19 BY MS. KRINCEK:
20 Q. So you -- you also say in this e-mail, So
21 this is a very good example of us needing to be
22 careful. Please do not file a takedown request on
23 this video.
24 That was your instruction, correct?
25 A. Yes.

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1 Q. Now, you never disclosed to any of the
2 individuals on this e-mail that XVideos was a
3 client of yours, correct?
4 A. It wasn't relevant, no.
5 Q. And you didn't disclose to Jason Gibson
6 that XVideos was a client of yours, correct?
7 A. Correct.
8 Q. You understood when you took on XVideos
9 as a client, that you and your firm could not now
10 be adverse to them in a lawsuit initiated by
11 Liberty Media, correct?
12 A. Correct.
13 Q. Did you ever make any written disclosure
14 to Liberty Media or Excelsior that XVideos was
15 your client?
16 A. No.
17 Q. Did you ever obtain written consent from
18 Liberty Media or Excelsior to represent XVideos?
19 A. No.
20 MS. KRINCEK: Now is a good point to
21 stop.
22 ARBITRATOR HABERFELD: Let's take ten
23 minutes, please.
24 (Whereupon, an off-record
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2 record.
3 Ms. Krincek?
4 BY MS. KRINCEK:
5 Q. Mr. Randazza, can you please turn to
6 Exhibit 414?
7 A. Okay.
8 Q. Exhibit 414, Mr. Randazza, are billing
9 records of your time billed to XVideos that were
10 produced in this arbitration, correct?
11 A. Uh-huh.
12 Q. And they do not include time billed by
13 other attorneys at RLG to XVideos, correct?
14 A. Correct.
15 Q. Just for -- if you look at the last page
16 of this exhibit.
17 A. Okay.
18 Q. Just for your time, you invoiced XVideos
19 over $44,000 during the time that you were
20 employed by Excelsior Media, correct?
21 A. Yes.
22 I would like to clarify something, a
23 question you asked me from before. When you asked
24 me if there was any disclosure, I thought you
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1 Q. Your attorney can ask you questions on
2 redirect or recross-examination.
3 A. Well, it occurred to me, so --
4 Q. Okay.
5 ARBITRATOR HABERFELD: Let's save that
6 for then.
7 THE WITNESS: Okay.
8 BY MS. KRINCEK:
9 Q. I wanted to ask you about some specific
10 entries. The first entry that you had for
11 XVideos.
12 A. Okay.
13 Q. First page of the exhibit.
14 A. Yes.
15 Q. And it's on 6/20/2010.
16 A. Yes.
17 Q. Review of strategy plan and assignment of
18 research projects to lower cost attorneys.
19 Do you see that?
20 A. I do.
21 Q. And then in the next day, 6/21/2010, you
22 have an entry for exchange calls with co-counsel
23 and e-mails with client, and e-mails with opposing
24 counsel.
25 Do you see that?

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1 A. I see that.
2 Q. Is all your -- are those entries and your
3 initial work for XVideos related to the mediation
4 matter you were representing them in with Gill
5 Sperlein on the opposing side?
6 A. The first two?
7 Q. Uh-huh. Yes.
8 A. I think so.
9 Q. Okay.
10 A. They seem to be mischaracterized as far
11 as matter goes, if that's the case, but --
12 Q. But you have a matter that's called
13 negotiation of suit, correct?
14 A. Yeah. I've got general advice, and then
15 negotiation of suit.
16 Q. Can you turn to the next page? There is
17 an entry for July 15th, 2010. And you say, Back
18 and forth e-mails with co-counsel and client,
19 settlement discussions with opposing counsel.
20 Is that related to the mediation matter
21 with Gill Sperlein?
22 A. I imagine so, yes.
23 Q. On the next page for July -- 7/20/2010.
24 A. Yes.
25 Q. Billed to the matter general advice, your

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1 description is exchange e-mails regarding DMCA
2 issue with client and with co-counsel, correct?
3 A. Correct.
4 Q. Further down on the page, August 29th,
5 2010 you have an entry to general advice,
6 telephone call with JMD regarding strategy for
7 client future compliance with US laws.
8 Do you see that?
9 A. Yes.
10 Q. So you had a call with your associate Jay
11 DeVoy regarding XVideos' strategy for future
12 compliance with US law, correct?
13 A. Yes.
14 Q. September 7th, 2010, you billed time to
15 the general advice matter for XVideos for receipt
16 and review of DMCA complaints and analysis of same
17 in transmission of same to client.
18 Do you see that?
19 A. Yes.
20 Q. So you were reviewing DMCA complaints
21 that were received by XVideos, correct?
22 A. Yes. They may have even come directly to
23 me. I think we were their DMCA agent at that
24 time, but I don't -- I can't -- I'm not precisely
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1 Q. You were the DMCA agent for XVideos.com?
2 A. I think so. I would have to look in my
3 records to confirm that.
4 Q. When did you become the DMCA agent for
5 XVideos?
6 A. Like I said, I'm not even sure we ever
7 were. I --
8 Q. Well, you wouldn't --
9 A. I would have to look that up.
10 Q. Well, you wouldn't have been the DMCA
11 agent prior to June of 2010, when they retained
12 you as an attorney, correct?
13 A. No.
14 Q. So sometime after June 2010, you might
15 have become the DMCA agent for XVideos.com?
16 A. Might have been.
17 Q. So when Corbin Fisher, Liberty Media is
18 sending DMCA takedown notices to XVideos, they are
19 potentially coming to you; is that correct?
20 A. You know, like I said, I'm not sure.
21 You know, that wouldn't make any sense at
22 that time.
23 Q. Could you turn the page to an entry on
24 September 30th, 2010?
25 A. Okay.

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1 Q. September 30th, 2010, you have an entry
2 under negotiation of suit.
3 A. Yeah.
4 Q. And it's for finalize and sign settlement
5 and transfer to opposing counsel.
6 Do you see that?
7 A. Yes.
8 Q. Does that appear to you to be when the
9 matter you were representing XVideos and XNXX
10 regarding with Gill Sperlein was settled,
11 September 30th, 2010?
12 A. That's what that suggests to me.
13 Q. After the matter with Gill Sperlein
14 resolved, do you continue to represent XVideos and
15 XNXX through at least when your employment with
16 Excelsior ended, correct?
17 A. Correct.
18 Q. Can I have you look at Exhibit 313?
19 A. Okay.
20 Q. Exhibit 313, Mr. Randazza, is your
21 responses to some interrogatories that we sent in
22 this matter. And before I ask you a question
23 about the substance of your response, if you could
24 just go to the second to last page and verify for
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1 page?
2 A. That's my signature on the verification
3 page.
4 Q. Could you turn to Page Number 4 of the
5 interrogatory response?
6 A. I'm there.
7 Q. I'm sorry. Page Number 5.
8 A. I'm there.
9 Q. You respond to an interrogatory
10 requesting a monthly breakdown of how much time
11 you billed to some of the clients that Excelsior
12 believes represented a conflict of interest in
13 this interrogatory response.
14 So on Page 5 there's a box that labels --
15 that's labeled XVideos.
16 Do you see that?
17 A. I do.
18 Q. And so we just identified in your billing
19 records that the matter with Mr. Sperlein settled
20 at the end of September 2010.
21 A. Yes.
22 Q. And after that matter settled, you billed
23 time to XVideos every month for the remainder of
24 the time that you worked for Excelsior with the
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1 A. It looks that way.
3 A. Yes.
4 Q. 372 is the Bar response that you sent to
5 the Florida State Bar in June of 2013.
6 If you could turn to the page that's
7 Bates stamped at the bottom EMC1610.
8 A. Okay. Yes.
9 Q. Can you please read the paragraph under
10 the heading XVideos?
11 A. You want me to read that whole paragraph?
12 Q. Three-quarters of it. I can tell you
13 when to stop.
14 A. Okay. Randazza initially represented
15 XVideos when a dispute arose between them and
16 clients of a friend of Randazza. That friend sent
17 a threat to another adult industry lawyer who
18 responded negatively. Randazza had met XVideos'
19 French attorneys at some point in 2009. When the
20 plaintiff's attorney contacted Randazza and asked
21 if he knew anything about XVideos, Randazza called
22 their French attorney, and he told them to talk to
23 Randazza. Strangely phrased. At that point,
24 Randazza agreed to assist with resolving the
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1 litigation ensued, he would not continue
2 representing them. Most of the negotiations were
3 done by one of Randazza's partners, although
4 Randazza did have a role in the matter. After
5 that, Randazza did not do any work for XVideos.
6 Q. You can stop there.
7 A. Randazza maintained communication.
8 Q. Let me ask you a question about that.
9 A. Yes.
10 Q. You reported to the Bar, After that,
11 Randazza did not do any work for XVideos.
12 Do you see that?
13 A. Yes. Mr. Tannebaum wrote that.
14 Q. And you did, in fact, continue to do work
15 for XVideos for another two years, at least,
16 correct?
17 A. I did. Mr. Tannebaum's statement there
18 is inaccurate.
19 Q. You didn't happen to review this Bar
20 response before it was submitted, did you?
21 A. I believe I did, and I missed that
22 detail.
23 Q. In the next sentence after that, you
24 reported to the Bar, Randazza maintained
25 communications with them and utilized the fact

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1 that he had a direct line of communication to
2 their CEO to continually forward CF takedown
3 requests to that company, which were acted on much
4 more quickly and much more thoroughly because of
5 Randazza's prior relationship with XVideos.
6 Do you see that?
7 A. I do. I do.
8 Q. You were representing to the State Bar
9 that XVideos was no longer a client of yours after
10 the matter with Gill Sperlein was settled,
11 correct?
12 A. Like I said, this -- that's an error.
13 Q. Do you still represent XVideos?
14 A. I do.
15 Q. If you would go back to, Mr. Randazza,
16 Exhibit 414, the billing records for XVideos you
17 produced in this matter.
18 A. Okay.
19 Q. If you would turn to the pages on -- my
20 draft has the holes, the binder holes through
21 them, but it's an entry for September 21st, 2011.
22 A. Okay.
23 Q. September 21st, 2011, you recorded a time
24 to the general advice matter for XVideos that you
25 exchange e-mails regarding tube suits and prepared

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1 an outline for repeat infringer policy, correct?
2 A. Correct.
3 Q. If you will skip forward two pages to an
4 entry for October 28th, 2011.
5 A. Okay.
6 Q. October 28th, 2011, the bottom entry on
7 that page, you recorded time to XVideos to
8 research concerning tactics by anti-tube
9 litigators.
10 Do you see that?
11 A. I do.
12 Q. Anti-tube litigators are people that sue
13 tube sites for copyright infringement, correct?
14 A. Not necessarily just for copyright
15 infringement.
16 Q. But they would be included within the
17 category of anti-tube litigators, correct?
18 A. I think on this one, it was actually in
19 response to a -- some right of publicity claims
20 that some people had been floating.
21 Q. If you turn to the next page, you've got
22 entries on November -- 11/1/2011.
23 A. Yes.
24 Q. There's one for one and a half hours that
25 you billed to XVideos for research concerning DMCA

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1 and theories regarding DMCA protection.
2 Do you see that?
3 A. I do.
4 Q. You're advising XVideos about how they
5 can be protected by the DMCA, correct?
6 A. I was probably reviewing new case law
7 about it.
8 Q. I'm done with the topic of XVideos.
9 I'm going to ask you some questions now
10 about Bang Brothers.
11 A. Okay.
12 Q. You're obviously familiar with a company
13 named Bang Brothers, correct?
14 A. I'm very familiar with them.
15 Q. They produce pornography, correct?
16 A. They do.
17 Q. A gentleman named Mark Bryn is general
18 counsel for Bang Brothers?
19 A. Yes. He's actually outside counsel for
20 them, but he acts as their general counsel.
21 Q. Okay. During the course of your
22 employment with Excelsior, you represented Bang
23 Brothers, correct?
24 A. Yes.
25 Q. You never obtained written informed

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1 consent from Excelsior or Liberty for your
2 representation of Bang Brothers, correct?
3 A. I didn't think it was necessary.
4 Q. And you never made a written disclosure
5 to Excelsior or Liberty that you represented Bang
7 A. No, I did not.
8 Q. The billing records you produced in this
9 matter for Bang Brothers have the client name
10 listed as Mark Bryn, correct?
11 A. Correct.
13 A. 415, yeah, I'm on that.
14 Q. Exhibit 415 is the billing records you
15 produced for Bang Brothers, correct?
16 A. Correct.
17 And to be precise, I did the work for
18 Mark, but it was inure to the benefit of Bang
19 Brothers, so I want to be precise, but not
20 evasive.
21 Q. And according to the last page of that
22 exhibit, you billed over $20,000 to Bang Brothers
23 while you work for Excelsior, correct?
24 A. That's what that page says, yes.
25 Q. And that doesn't include time billed by

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1 your associates at Randazza Legal Group spent
2 working on Bang Brothers work, correct?
3 A. That's just the time I spent.
4 Q. And this doesn't include any time billed
5 by you for Bang Brothers work prior to February of
6 2010, correct?
7 A. Yeah, I don't have records prior to that.
8 Q. If you would look at the page that's
9 Bates stamped MJR104025.
10 A. Yes.
11 Q. On October 19th, 2010 --
12 A. Yeah.
13 Q. -- you billed Bang Brothers four hours
14 for attendance at a content protection retreat in
15 Tucson, correct?
16 A. Yes.
17 Q. To Liberty Media's knowledge, you were at
18 the content protection retreat on their behalf,
19 correct?
20 A. Correct.
21 Q. You did not disclose to Liberty Media
22 that you were also attending on behalf of and
23 being paid for your attendance at that retreat by
24 Bang Brothers, correct?
25 A. I don't recall discussing it with anyone.

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1 Q. During the time period of your
2 representation of both Excelsior and Bang
3 Brothers, you knew that Bang Brothers owned one or
4 more tube sites, correct?
5 A. I did not.
6 Q. Can I have you look at MJR104033?
7 A. I'm there.
8 Q. There is an entry on November 20th, 2011,
9 where you billed time to Bang Brothers to update a
10 memo to JAF regarding tube site best practices.
11 Do you see that?
12 A. Yes, yes.
13 Q. You were billing Bang Brothers for
14 information about best practices for tube sites on
15 November 20th of 2011, correct?
16 A. Yes.
17 Q. You at least agree that you were aware
18 Bang Brothers was interested in acquiring tube
19 sites, correct?
20 A. I knew they had some interest in the
21 space.
22 Q. In fact, you advised Liberty that Liberty
23 should consider acquiring tube sites, and that
24 Bang Brothers was doing it and making a lot of
25 money on it, correct?

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1 A. I don't recall telling them that they
2 were making a lot of money on it, but I thought it
3 was a good idea. I think the comparison I made
4 for Liberty was with a company called Manwin.
5 Q. You acquired a tube site for Bang
6 Brothers through a settlement agreement; is that
7 correct?
8 A. That's not accurate.
9 Q. You didn't acquire a tube site called
10 Fapzap.com for them?
11 A. Not the site, no. We acquired the domain
12 name.
13 Q. Can you turn to Page 247 of your
14 deposition?
15 A. Okay.
16 Q. Page 247, Lines 4 to 12. Question:
17 Okay. Bang Brothers was -- you knew Bang Brothers
18 was interested in acquiring tube sites?
19 Answer: They were. In fact, I can
20 specifically recall Fapzap being one of them.
21 Question: You acquired Fapzap for Bang
23 Answer: And $60,000 for Liberty Media.
24 Do you see that?
25 A. Yes.

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1 Q. During your employment, you knew that
2 Bang Brothers was affiliated with Manhub; is that
3 correct?
4 A. I actually did not know that.
6 A. Okay. I see that.
7 Q. Exhibit 344 shows that on November 17th,
8 2011, you received an e-mail from Keith Webb of
9 Titan Media, correct?
10 A. Yes.
11 Q. Titan Media produces and sells
12 pornography, correct?
13 A. It does.
14 Q. And Mr. Webb e-mailed you and said,
15 810,929 views, he includes a link to the Website
16 www.manhub.com. Then he says, I'm sure there's
17 more. I believe the site is owned by Bang Bros.
18 Do you see that?
19 A. Yes.
20 Q. And then you responded, If it has a DMCA
21 agent, it has some immunity, and I'd be conflicted
22 out.
23 Do you see that?
24 A. Yep.
25 Q. In 2012 Liberty Media was considering

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1 purchasing a competitor called Cody Media,
2 correct?
3 A. I don't think they were actually
4 considering buying it. But that was the topic of
5 some discussions.
6 Q. You knew Liberty Media was talking to the
7 owners of Cody Media about potentially buying Cody
8 Media, correct?
9 A. Well, again, I -- what I am sure was
10 really happening was Jason was using it as an
11 opportunity to get intelligence on a competitor,
12 as he had done before with Suite 703.
13 But I was involved and privy to
14 discussions, which, at the time, I thought were
15 good faith discussions about buying the company.
16 Q. So while you were employed with
17 Excelsior, you knew Excelsior was talking to Cody
18 Media about potentially buying Cody Media, yes or
19 no?
20 A. Yes, those discussions were taking place.
21 Q. The acquisition -- potential acquisition
22 price being discussed was -- or Liberty was
23 considering was $5 million, correct?
24 A. Correct.
25 Q. Liberty was looking at financing the

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1 purchase by using a third-party lender, correct?
2 A. Yes.
3 Q. They were in discussions with Manwin to
4 provide financing, correct?
5 A. I don't believe that's accurate.
6 Q. What about an organization called
7 Ackrell, A-k-r-e-l-l (sic)?
8 A. I think there were conversations with
9 Ackrell Capital, yes.
10 Q. And did you believe Ackrell Capital had
11 some relationship with Manwin?
12 A. I think that they were -- they had some
13 connection to the financing that Manwin used for
14 its borrowing.
15 Q. You advised Excelsior about downsides of
16 using the Ackrell Capital financing proposal,
17 correct?
18 A. I don't know if it was Excelsior, but I
19 advised that Corbin Fisher should look at
20 alternate funding sources.
21 Q. And you encouraged them to use --
22 consider using Bang Brothers to provide financing,
23 correct?
24 A. I wanted them to at least talk to them
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2 Liberty or Excelsior to advise them about Bang
3 Brothers potentially offering financing for the
4 Cody Media purchase?
5 A. I saw no reason to. I consistently
6 bragged about my relationship with Bang Brothers,
7 as well as with these other companies that we're
8 talking. So, no, I did not get any written
9 consent to give them that advice.
10 Q. To be clear, when you say you bragged
11 about your relationship, that does not mean that
12 you told anyone at Excelsior that Bang Brothers
13 was a client of yours, correct?
14 A. No. I said that all the time.
15 Q. You --
16 A. On a regular basis.
17 Q. You actually used the words "Bang
18 Brothers is my client"?
19 A. I represent them is probably what I said,
20 or I do work for them.
21 Q. Who did you use the words I represent
22 them with respect to Bang Brothers to at the
23 company?
24 A. You know, I can't give you an exact date,
25 time, and who was in the conversation. But it was

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1 such a ubiquitous topic of conversation. In fact,
2 it was the reason why I could get access to
3 Mr. Bryn to call them and see if they wanted to
4 make a $5 million loan at a better interest rate
5 than 37 and a half percent, which was the number
6 that was being batted around by Ackrell.
7 Q. Well, I'm assuming there are people other
8 than -- that are paying clients of yours that you
9 can pick up the phone and call to talk about
10 things, correct?
11 A. There are people other than my clients I
12 can call, pick up the phone and call and talk
13 about things with.
14 Q. You represented an entity known as GRHK,
15 LLC, while you were employed with Excelsior,
16 correct?
17 A. Yes.
18 Q. They're owned by Bang Brothers, correct?
19 A. They have a relationship with Bang
20 Brothers. Even I am not at this time entirely
21 clear on what that relationship is.
22 Q. You --
23 A. But they are affiliated.
24 Q. You never disclosed to Liberty or
25 Excelsior that you represented GRHK, correct?

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1 A. No.
2 Q. Did you ever receive written informed
3 consent from Excelsior or Liberty to your
4 representation of GRHK?
5 A. I saw no reason to.
6 Q. GRHK operated a Website called
7 DancingBear.com, correct?
8 A. Yes.
9 Q. In August of 2011, you sent a demand
10 letter to a tube site Fapzap.com on behalf of GRHK
11 alleging copyright infringement; is that correct?
12 A. I think so.
13 Q. Well, let me have you turn to
14 Exhibit 312.
15 A. Yep, that's it, Choopa.
16 Q. For the record, Exhibit 312 is a copy of
17 a demand letter you sent to Fapzap.com on behalf
18 of GRHK on August 10th, 2011, correct?
19 A. Correct.
20 Q. And you eventually settled the dispute on
21 behalf of GRHK against Fapzap.com and obtained the
22 tube site for GRHK/Bang Brothers, correct?
23 A. I got the domain name, Fapzap. GRHK took
24 that, and Liberty took $60,000.
25 Q. At the same time you were pursuing Fapzap

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1 for GRHK, you were pursuing Fapzap for Liberty
2 Media, correct?
3 A. Yes. We had a -- we had a joint
4 representation and agreement. We had agreed we
5 were going to do it together.
6 Q. Who had agreed you were going to do it
7 together?
8 A. Liberty and GRHK.
9 Q. Well, you never disclosed to Liberty that
10 GRHK was your client, though, correct?
11 A. Well, I'm sure I did.
12 Q. Did you make the written disclosure to
13 anyone at Liberty that GRHK was your client?
14 A. You know, I recall seeing a document
15 where we had a joint representation agreement and
16 who was going to represent who in it. So I don't
17 even know if I represented GRHK at that time.
18 Q. Can you turn back to Exhibit 312?
19 A. Sure. Okay.
20 Q. The first line of this document, this
21 letter, Mr. Randazza, says, This firm has the
22 honor and privilege of representing GRHK.
23 Do you see that?
24 A. Right, yeah.

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1 Liberty or Excelsior to represent GRHK?
2 A. Again, I'm pretty sure -- first of all,
3 no, because I don't think I needed to. But,
4 second, I'm pretty sure there's a lengthy joint
5 representation agreement that we went over.
6 Q. Well, where is this joint representation
7 agreement? It has never been produced in this
8 case.
9 A. I don't know.
10 Q. Who signed this joint representation
11 agreement?
12 A. I know Larry Walters signed it at one
13 point, because he was representing Fapzap.
14 Well, no, that wouldn't make sense.
15 Maybe Bryn.
16 I don't know. I know that there was some
17 kind of an agreement that we all made amongst one
18 another, though.
19 Q. And who on behalf of the company was
20 aware -- or who on behalf of the company made the
21 agreement?
22 ARBITRATOR HABERFELD: The company being?
23 BY MS. KRINCEK:
24 Q. Liberty Media or Excelsior Media.
25 A. I would have probably entered into the

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1 agreement. I'm sure I discussed it with Jason
2 that we were going to do this jointly with -- I
3 think I told Jason it was with Bang Bros, being
4 inaccurate about the actual entity, being GRHK.
5 Q. Mr. Randazza, you've produced over
6 100,000 documents in this matter. Can you
7 identify for me a single document that reflects
8 that you and Jason discussed you representing both
9 GRHK and Liberty Media?
10 A. No. And not that -- I can't tell you in
11 all of these binders which one of those -- these
12 documents may say that.
13 But I would be surprised if there isn't
14 any e-mail exchange about it at all.
15 Q. Well, we've got a few days left in the
16 arbitration, so if you find one, please bring it
17 forward.
18 You resolved Liberty's dispute with
19 Fapzap and got them a $30,000 settlement, correct?
20 A. I thought it was $60,000.
21 Q. Liberty believes it was $30,000. Are you
22 sure it was 60,000?
23 A. No, I'm not.
24 Q. So you got $30,000 for Liberty, and you
25 got the domain name for GRHK, correct?

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1 A. Yes. And I -- and I'm pretty sure I
2 disclosed some trust account reports of those
3 would be -- those would have that number on it.
4 Q. Is it your understanding that under your
5 bonus -- or under your employment agreement, that
6 you don't receive any bonus for nonmonetary
7 settlement terms, correct?
8 A. Correct.
9 Q. So if Liberty Media had gotten the
10 Fapzap.com domain name, you wouldn't receive any
11 bonus for that, correct?
12 A. No, I wouldn't.
13 Q. You did not bill GRHK for any work you
14 did for them, even as it relates to the Fapzap
15 dispute, correct?
16 A. I don't think I did.
17 Q. And you did not bill Bang Brothers for
18 any work you did for GRHK, correct?
19 A. I don't think so.
20 Q. But you were paid by Excelsior for
21 working on the Fapzap matter, correct?
22 A. Yes. What we did was we created a -- we
23 had an agreement that -- Mr. Fischer also works
24 for Mr. Bryn, so under Mr. Bryn's auspices, he
25 would -- he and Bryn worked on behalf of GRHK, I

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1 worked on behalf of Liberty.
2 Q. But you took a bonus on the settlement
3 that Liberty Media received from Fapzap.com,
4 correct?
5 A. I'm sure I did, yes. 25 percent of the
6 gross.
7 Q. I'm going to move on to a new topic, and
8 that is PornGuardian.
9 ARBITRATOR HABERFELD: Can we just take a
10 short break in place?
15 record.
16 BY MS. KRINCEK:
17 Q. Mr. Randazza, PornGuardian was a vendor
18 for Excelsior, correct?
19 A. Correct.
21 A. Yep.
22 Q. This is the retainer agreement,
23 Exhibit 417, that you entered with PornGuardian,
24 correct?
25 A. Correct.

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1 Q. And that was on March 1st of 2011 they
2 officially became a client of yours, correct?
3 A. That seems right.
5 A. Yes.
6 Q. These are billing records that you
7 produced for PornGuardian, correct, Exhibit 413?
8 A. This looks like XVideos, actually.
9 Q. Exhibit 413. I think 414 was XVideos.
10 A. Yes. Okay. Here we go. Okay.
11 Q. If you look at the entry, the second
12 entry for PornGuardian on May 30th, 2012 --
13 A. Uh-huh.
14 Q. -- in your description you say, Phone
15 call regarding defamation threat and Oron
16 litigation.
17 A. Uh-huh.
18 Q. No charge for Oron litigation time,
19 correct?
20 A. Correct.
21 Q. You weren't charging Oron for the -- you
22 weren't charging PornGuardian for this time that
23 you spent working for them on the Oron litigation,
24 correct?
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1 I spent on their work.
2 Q. Yep. And the entry for June 20th, 2012,
3 you have another entry, Call with client
4 regarding -- call with client regarding
5 litigation, and you have no charge down for that,
6 correct?
7 A. Correct.
8 Q. You recommended to Excelsior that they
9 contract with PornGuardian, correct?
10 A. Correct.
11 Q. You were responsible for reviewing for
12 Excelsior their service agreements with vendors
13 like PornGuardian, correct?
14 A. Correct.
15 Q. You don't have a recollection of
16 disclosing to Liberty that PornGuardian was your
17 client, correct?
18 A. I don't have a specific recollection of
19 when it would have happened, but, again, it was
20 ubiquitous bragging about the concessions they
21 gave us because I did work for them.
22 Q. You never received written consent from
23 Excelsior or Liberty to represent PornGuardian,
24 correct?
25 A. Correct.

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1 Q. Mr. Randazza, is it your position that if
2 you are bragging about getting concessions from
3 PornGuardian, that Liberty Media or Excelsior is
4 supposed to glean from that that PornGuardian is a
5 paying client of yours?
6 A. Well, I think the best practice is to get
7 a -- get it all in writing and to do all the CYA
8 you can.
9 However, as a practical matter, I think
10 when I talk to somebody on a regular basis about
11 something that I do, I might not go through that
12 formality.
13 Q. You negotiated for PornGuardian with Oron
14 at the same time you were negotiating with Oron on
15 behalf of Liberty Media, correct?
16 A. Very briefly, yes.
18 A. Okay.
19 Q. Exhibit 400 is an e-mail from Stevan
20 Lieberman to you on July 1st, 2012, correct?
21 A. Correct.
22 Q. Mr. Lieberman attaches his redlining to a
23 letter from you to him, correct?
24 A. Correct.
25 Q. And Page 2 of that exhibit, which is

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1 MJR16298, provides for payment of $550,000 to
2 Liberty from Oron, correct?
3 A. Correct.
4 Q. And it also provides for a $50,000
5 payment from Oron to Privacy Stops Here; is that
6 correct?
7 A. Yes.
8 Q. PornGuardian was never a party to the
9 Oron litigation you filed, correct?
10 A. They were not.
11 Q. You did not disclose to Mr. Gibson that
12 you were representing PornGuardian in dispute with
13 Oron, correct?
14 A. I think I did.
15 Q. When did you do that, Mr. Randazza?
16 A. I'd say when it all started, because
17 really Liberty was riding on PornGuardian's
18 coattails to get into this settlement, although it
19 might seen otherwise from the inverted amounts of
20 the money.
21 Q. Do you have any documentation to show
22 that you disclosed to Mr. Gibson that you were
23 representing PornGuardian in a dispute with Oron?
24 A. I don't have any documentation of that,
25 that I know of.

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1 Q. And you didn't tell Mr. Gibson that you
2 were negotiating with Oron for a $50,000
3 settlement on behalf of PornGuardian, correct?
4 A. I think I told him that they were going
5 to pay PornGuardian something. I don't think I
6 gave him the exact details.
7 Q. At your deposition on Page 269, Lines 4
8 to 7, I asked you: Question: All right. Did you
9 disclose to Jason that you had received an offer
10 from Oron where PornGuardian was going to receive
11 $50,000?
12 You answered no.
13 Do you recall that testimony?
14 A. Yes.
16 A. Okay.
17 Q. This is an e-mail from the same day that
18 Mr. Lieberman sent you the settlement agreement
19 that we just looked at, July 1st, 2012.
20 A. Yep.
21 Q. And he says in his cover e-mail, Changes
22 in wording in 14 and 19, and calling you now.
23 A. Right.
25 A. Yes.

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1 Q. And the settlement agreement that
2 Mr. Lieberman attached to this e-mail still has a
3 $550,000 payment going to Liberty Media and a
4 $50,000 payment going to PornGuardian, correct?
5 A. Yes.
6 Q. And in the cover e-mail, Mr. Lieberman
7 says he's calling you now, correct?
8 A. Correct.
9 Q. Can you turn to Page 402 -- or
10 Exhibit 402?
12 Q. This is the next e-mail from
13 Mr. Lieberman to you at 3:49, so just about an
14 hour later after he sent you the last version of
15 the settlement agreement and said he was going to
16 call you, and he says to you, I am pretty sure I
17 got each of their agreements separated out as
18 discussed. Please review.
19 Do you see that?
20 A. Yes, yes.
21 Q. And he also says to you, Also, as
22 discussed, we have an agreement only if they both
23 agree.
24 Do you see that?
25 A. Yes.

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1 Q. And now Mr. Lieberman has separated out
2 Oron and PornGuardian into two separate -- I'm
3 sorry, not Oron and PornGuardian -- but
4 Mr. Lieberman is separating out PornGuardian and
5 Liberty Media into two separate settlement
6 agreements, correct?
7 A. Correct.
8 Q. Does this explain, Mr. Randazza, why the
9 child pornography related provisions are in
10 Liberty Media's settlement agreement, even though
11 that was a dispute between PornGuardian and Oron,
12 because they were first part of the same agreement
13 and then got separated into two agreements?
14 A. I'm not seeing that.
15 Q. Separating the agreements was done at
16 your request, correct?
17 A. Yes, because I started to sense that
18 there could be a possible conflict.
19 Q. The Liberty settlement agreement contains
20 no references to PornGuardian receiving $50,000,
21 correct?
22 A. Correct.
23 Q. You separated -- you had the agreements
24 separated out so that Mr. Gibson would not find
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1 correct?
2 A. No matter how many times you say that,
3 I'm not going to say correct. No, that's not
4 correct.
5 Q. Let me have you look at Exhibit 395.
6 A. Okay.
7 Q. 395 is an e-mail exchange where
8 PornGuardian was being discussed, correct?
9 A. Correct.
10 Q. And on Page 2 of that e-mail, MJR12635,
11 there is an e-mail from Jason Gibson to you on
12 June 29th at 4:08 p.m.
13 Do you see that?
14 A. Yes.
15 Q. And Mr. Gibson says, I am nervous relying
16 on a third-party system like that -- like this.
17 When there was issues with our in-house system, I
18 had someone I could go to and fire, if necessary,
19 if it wasn't working right. Now we are playing
20 guessing games on why things aren't -- why things
21 aren't taken down in a timely manner. Is it the
22 host site or is it something on PG's end? I don't
23 like being in bed with them.
24 Do you see that?
25 A. Yes.

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1 Q. Mr. Gibson, when he says he doesn't like
2 being in bed with them, he's referring to
3 PornGuardian, correct?
4 A. Yes.
5 Q. And then on the first page of this
6 exhibit, there is another e-mail from Jason to
7 yourself on July 1st at 9:00 o'clock in the
8 morning.
9 Before I get to that, let me get to your
10 response to Mr. Gibson's e-mail.
11 After Mr. Gibson e-mailed and said he
12 didn't like being in bed with them, you e-mailed
13 him back, and you said, They've given us so much
14 intelligence over the years, including much of
15 which led to some of our biggest scores, Hotfile,
16 Megaupload. Without their information and help,
17 all without charge, we would have had almost a
18 million dollars less in collections.
19 Also, I had them lined up to be a
20 co-plaintiff in the Oron case with them bringing
21 in a bunch of contributors, who were going to toss
22 in about 15,000 each, but were not going to have
23 any control over the case. Since Hong Kong is
24 costing us another 8,000 to date and likely
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1 you'd prefer someone else foot that bill.
2 If you don't want to be in bed with them,
3 okay. Let's just fire them after the Oron case is
4 wrapped up. In the meantime, can we stay in bed
5 with them until I get money out of Oron?
6 That's what you wrote to Mr. Gibson,
7 correct?
8 A. Yes.
9 Q. And in Mr. Gibson's response on Page 1,
10 if you go down to the sixth paragraph, Mr. Gibson
11 wrote to you, PG itself is not a content creator.
12 They own no copyrights, and therefore should not
13 be entitled to a penny of money recovered from
14 Oron. They are not even doing a particularly
15 effective job at focusing on CF content. If they
16 were, Andrew would not have to be involved in this
17 process and wouldn't be finding hundreds of links
18 each week. Cameron wouldn't be finding so much of
19 our content in his free time.
20 Do you see that?
21 A. I do.
22 Q. And because of this e-mail, where
23 Mr. Gibson told you he didn't want to be in bed
24 with PornGuardian and he didn't want them to get a
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1 Mr. Lieberman to separate them out into two
2 separate agreements so Jason wouldn't see the
3 payment to PornGuardian, correct?
4 A. Your narrative is incorrect.
5 Q. Well, then why did you have them
6 separated into two agreements?
7 A. It was starting to get that instead of --
8 this does refresh my memory that what we were
9 going to do, is this was not going to be a solo
10 case by Corbin Fisher against Oron.
11 PornGuardian was supposed to be the nerve
12 center and bring a number of its clients together
13 with us, with AEBN, and we were all going to split
14 the expenses and split the take on this case.
15 When I finally filed without them,
16 PornGuardian actually started to get upset with me
17 about it. But I needed them, I needed their data
18 in order to continue prosecuting the case.
19 So when I saw that PornGuardian was going
20 to start wanting a, you know, kind of a ridiculous
21 amount of money, for them to get $50,000 was going
22 to be a lot.
23 When they wanted more, I saw that this
24 might weigh down the settlement for Corbin Fisher.
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1 please?
2 A. Yeah. Here we are.
3 Q. This is an e-mail from you and Jason
4 later on July 1st where you have sent him the
5 Liberty Media version of the settlement agreement
6 with Oron and asked him to give you permission to
7 sign.
8 You say, I think it looks fine, correct?
9 A. Yes.
10 Q. You didn't provide him with the
11 PornGuardian settlement agreement, correct?
12 A. I don't recall what was attached to this,
13 but I'm pretty sure it was the final one that I
14 actually signed.
15 Q. Did you provide Mr. Gibson with the
16 PornGuardian settlement agreement with Oron?
17 A. I don't recall one way or the other.
19 deposition transcript?
20 A. Yes.
21 Q. Page 281?
22 A. Yes.
23 Q. Lines 3 to 5. Question: You didn't
24 provide him with the PornGuardian settlement
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1 Answer: Right.
2 Does that refresh your recollection?
3 A. Of what I testified then, yes.
4 Q. Are you changing your testimony now?
5 A. Honestly, I'm so tired, I don't know what
6 the hell I'm saying. I'm sorry. I'm exhausted.
7 MS. KRINCEK: If you want to stop now,
8 that's fine.
9 THE WITNESS: That would be outstanding,
10 because the droning is killing me.
11 ARBITRATOR HABERFELD: I think at this
12 point it's probably best to recess until tomorrow
13 9:00 o'clock.
15 MR. WHITE: 9:00 o'clock.
16 ARBITRATOR HABERFELD: See you then.
17 We're in recess.
18 (Thereupon, the proceedings
19 were concluded at 5:08 p.m.)
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1 CERTIFICATE OF REPORTER
2
3 STATE OF NEVADA )
) SS:
4 COUNTY OF CLARK )
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7 I, Jo A. Scott, Certified Court Reporter, do
8 hereby certify:
9 That I reported in shorthand (Stenotype) the
10 proceedings had in the above-entitled matter at
11 the place and date indicated. That I thereafter
12 transcribed my said shorthand notes into
13 typewriting, and that the typewritten transcript
14 is a complete, true and accurate transcription of
15 my said shorthand notes.
16 IN WITNESS WHEREOF, I have set my hand in my
17 office in the County of Clark, State of Nevada,
18 this 23rd day of February, 2015.
19
20
21 ________________________________
Jo A. Scott, RPR, CCR NO. 669
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Arbitration Proceedings ~ Volume III ~ February 11, 2015

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1 ARBITRATION BEFORE
2 JUDICIAL ARBITRATION AND MEDIATION SERVICE
3
4 MARC J. RANDAZZA, )
)
5 Complainant, )
)
6 vs. ) Ref. No. 1260002283
)
7 EXCELSIOR MEDIA )
CORPORATION, a Nevada )
8 corporation; LIBERTY )
MEDIA HOLDINGS, LLC, a )
9 California limited )
liability company; and )
10 JASON GIBSON, )
individually, )
11 )
Respondents. )
12 __________________________)
13
14 TRANSCRIPT OF ARBITRATION PROCEEDINGS
15 VOLUME III
16 BEFORE THE HONORABLE STEPHEN E. HABERFELD
17 Taken on Wednesday, February 11, 2015
18 At 3800 Howard Hughes Parkway
19 Eleventh Floor
20 Las Vegas, Nevada
21
22
23
24
25 REPORTED BY: JO A. SCOTT, RPR, CCR NO. 669

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1 APPEARANCES:
2 For the Complainant:
3 KENNETH P. WHITE, ESQ.

HENRY L. WHITEHEAD, ESQ.
4 Brown White & Newhouse
333 South Hope Street
5 40th Floor
Los Angeles, California 90071
6 (213) 613-0500
7 For the Respondents:
8 WENDY MEDURA KRINCEK, ESQ.

ETHAN THOMAS, ESQ.
9 Littler Mendelson
3960 Howard Hughes Parkway
10 Suite 300
Las Vegas, Nevada 89169
11 (702) 862-8800
12 Also Present:
13 MARC J. RANDAZZA
JASON GIBSON
14 BRIAN LOWDERMAN
BRIAN DUNLAP
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1 I N D E X
2 WITNESS PAGE
3 MARC J. RANDAZZA
Cont. Cross-Examination by Ms. Krincek 577
4 Redirect Examination by Mr. White 613
5 RONALD D. GREEN, JR.

Direct Examination by Mr. Whitehead 638
6 Cross-Examination by Mr. Thomas 647
7 JASON GIBSON
Direct Examination by Ms. Krincek 659
8 Cross-Examination by Mr. White 776
Redirect Examination by Ms. Krincek 839
9
BRIAN FLOYD LOWDERMAN
10 Direct Examination by Ms. Krincek 840
Cross-Examination by Mr. Whitehead 848
11 Redirect Examination by Ms. Krincek 852
Furt. Cross-Examination by Mr. Whitehead 853
12
BRIAN DUNLAP
13 Direct Examination by Ms. Krincek 855
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1 LAS VEGAS, NEVADA; WEDNESDAY, FEBRUARY 11, 2015
2 8:58 A.M.
3 -oOo-
4
5 ARBITRATOR HABERFELD: Reminder to
6 Mr. Randazza. Good morning, sir.
7 THE WITNESS: Good morning.
8 ARBITRATOR HABERFELD: You understand you
9 are still under oath?
10 THE WITNESS: I do.
11 Ms. Krincek?
12 CONTINUED CROSS-EXAMINATION
13 BY MS. KRINCEK:
14 Q. Mr. Randazza, when we left off yesterday,
15 we were talking about Exhibit 403 in Respondents'
16 binders.
17 Can you turn back to that?
18 A. I'm there.
19 Q. Exhibit 403, Mr. Randazza, is the e-mail
20 where you forwarded to Mr. Gibson the settlement
21 agreement between Liberty Media and Oron the
22 version that was enforced by Judge Navarro.
23 And what I was trying to establish is
24 whether or not when you forwarded that settlement
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1 did you also send the settlement agreement, a
2 separate one between PornGuardian and Liberty
3 Media to Mr. Gibson?
4 A. I do not believe I did, no.
5 Q. And do you verbally tell Mr. Gibson that
6 there was a separate settlement agreement with
7 PornGuardian providing for a $50,000 payment to
8 them?
9 A. I don't believe I gave them details. I
10 do believe I told them that there was some payment
11 going to PornGuardian.
12 Q. Did you disclose to Mr. Gibson that there
13 was a separate settlement agreement with
14 PornGuardian that was tied to Liberty Media's
15 settlement agreement? In other words, that
16 Mr. Gurvits had said both of them had to be
17 signed, executed for them to be in force?
18 Did you tell Mr. Gibson that?
19 A. No.
20 Q. And you signed the settlement agreement
21 between Oron and Liberty on behalf of Liberty on
22 this day, July 1st, 2012, after speaking with
23 Mr. Gibson; is that correct?
24 A. I think it was that day, yes.
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1 some other clients.
2 You accepted Kink.com as a new client
3 during your employment with Excelsior, correct?
4 A. Incorrect.
5 Q. When did you first start working with
6 Kink.com as a client?
7 A. 2000 -- 2006 or '7. I can't tell you
8 exactly when, but it was before -- before I had
9 even met the Corbin Fisher guys.
10 Q. That was with your prior firm that you
11 worked for, before you went to work for Excelsior,
12 correct?
13 A. Correct.
14 Q. They were a client of your former firm,
15 correct?
16 A. They were my client at the firm, yes.
17 Q. Turn to Exhibit 416, please.
18 A. Yes.
19 Q. Exhibit 416 is the retainer agreement
20 between Kink.com and your law firm, correct?
21 A. Yes.
22 Q. And if you turn to the page that's Bates
23 stamped MJR104051 --
24 A. Yes.
25 Q. -- it was entered on October 25th, 2011,

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1 correct?
2 A. That's when I transmitted it to them.
3 Q. And October 2011, you were employed by
5 A. Correct.
6 Q. You also did work for Titan Media while
7 you were employed by Excelsior, correct?
8 A. I believe their parent company IO Group.
10 A. Yes.
11 Q. Exhibit 313 is some interrogatory
12 responses that you provided in this arbitration
13 proceeding. We looked at them a bit earlier. I
14 wanted to turn your attention to Page 6.
15 A. Okay. I am there.
16 Q. This is the report that you provided of
17 the hours billed by yourself by month to clients
18 other than Excelsior and Liberty starting in
19 October of 2009, correct?
20 A. Correct.
21 Q. And you billed time to other clients that
22 may not necessarily be reflected in this -- in
23 this chart. For example, time spent working on
24 the GRHK matter that you had no billing records
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1 MR. WHITE: Objection. Misstates the
2 document.
3 ARBITRATOR HABERFELD: Let's have the
4 question read back, unless you want to rephrase,
5 Ms. Krincek?
6 MS. KRINCEK: I can rephrase.
7 BY MS. KRINCEK:
8 Q. Are you sure that this is a complete
9 listing of all the hours you worked for other
10 clients during the time that you were employed by
11 Excelsior?
12 A. I am reasonably certain of that, that
13 this is the full amount of time that I worked for
14 other clients during that period of time.
15 Q. Can you turn to Page 7?
16 A. Yes.
17 Q. In July of 2010, you billed 73.6 hours to
18 clients other than Excelsior Media, correct?
19 A. Yes.
20 Q. And in July 2011, you billed 52 and a
21 half hours to other clients than Excelsior Media,
22 correct?
23 A. Correct.
24 Q. September 2011, 68.8 hours, correct?
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1 clients?
2 A. Yes.
3 Q. November 2011, 92.3 hours; is that
4 correct?
5 A. Yes.
6 Q. December 2011, 83.45 hours; is that
7 correct?
8 A. Yes.
9 Q. And in the last -- if you turn to the
10 following Page 8, in the last four months of your
11 employment with Excelsior, in May of 2012, you
12 billed 91.75 hours to clients other than Excelsior
13 Media, correct?
14 A. Yes.
15 Q. In June of 2012, 73.8 hours to other
16 clients you billed, correct?
17 A. Yes.
18 Q. July 2012, 60.15 hours to other clients,
19 correct?
20 A. Yes.
21 Q. And August of 2012, 63.9 hours to other
22 clients; is that correct?
23 A. Correct.
24 Q. There's been some reference to something
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1 understanding is that's a cloud-based storage
2 system; is that correct?
3 A. That's what I would call it.
4 Q. And what types of records related to
5 Excelsior and -- sorry -- Excelsior and Liberty
6 Media would the legal department store on the
7 Jungle Drive?
8 A. Pleadings that we had filed, copies of
9 correspondence.
10 Q. Would you store research memorandums on
11 there?
12 A. Yes.
13 Q. Would you store investigation documents
14 that you gathered?
15 A. Yes.
16 Q. You're aware that Oron appealed
17 Judge Navarro's Order enforcing the settlement
18 agreement between Oron and Liberty; is that
19 correct?
20 A. I'm aware of that.
21 Q. And you're aware that Oron filed a demand
22 for arbitration against Liberty with JAMS,
23 correct?
25 Q. You are aware that Oron claimed that

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1 Liberty breached the settlement agreement; is that
2 correct?
4 Q. Are you aware that part of their claim
5 was that the settlement agreement was breached by
6 the company assisting Gill Sperlein suing Oron on
7 behalf of Datatech?
8 A. I've heard that.
9 Q. And you did assist Datatech in filing
10 suit against Oron after Liberty's settlement
11 agreement was enforced by the court, correct?
12 A. I don't recall if -- I believe the
13 assistance began well before that. I think, as I
14 testified, AEBN was intimately involved in this
15 before we even filed suit. They were supposed to
16 be our co-plaintiff.
17 Q. Is it your position that you told
18 Mr. Gibson Datatech had asked if you could give
19 Gill Sperlein any information, and you told
20 Mr. Gibson that was technically a violation of the
21 settlement agreement, but Mr. Gibson told you to
22 go ahead and do it anyway?
23 A. I said it could be interpreted as one.
24 Q. You don't have a date for this alleged
25 conversation, do you?

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1 A. No, I don't.
3 A. I'm there.
4 Q. In Exhibit 331, can I have you turn to
5 the page that's numbered 10 at the bottom? It's
6 also Bates stamped EMC -- I'm sorry. Go to
7 Page 9, which is EMC474?
9 Q. These are -- this is another document we
10 looked at previously, but these are text exchanges
11 between yourself and Mr. Gibson.
12 If you could direct your attention to the
13 bottom half of the page, and the text exchange
14 that starts with the entry on August 24th, 2012,
15 at 7:51 a.m., Oron appealed, you texted to
16 Mr. Gibson.
17 Do you see where I'm at?
18 A. I do see that.
19 Q. So you texted Mr. Gibson and said, Oron
20 appealed. Mr. Gibson texted you back and said, I
21 saw that, correct?
22 A. That's what is reflected on this page,
23 yes.
24 Q. You texted Mr. Gibson back, Gill
25 Sperlein, that looks to be a typo Gill Sperlein

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1 and AEBN want to go after Oron now. And Jason
2 texted back, Okay. You texted Jason, If they use
3 our Hong Kong attorneys, they will need a conflict
4 waiver. I told AEBN that it would probably be
5 okay as long as we get the first $550,000. Jason
6 texted back, Any downside to this? You texted
7 back to Jason, AEBN is okay with that. The
8 downside is if Oron wins the appeal and sets aside
9 the settlement, both us and AEBN will be going
10 after the same pile of money.
11 The following page, you texted
12 Mr. Gibson, Thus potentially competing for the
13 same cash. Mr. Gibson texted you, What is the
14 likelihood that the settlement will be set aside?
15 You texted Jason, Of course they can do that with
16 other counsel, too. So I think better to call
17 them an ally. And you texted, Microscopic. Then
18 you texted, The standard is abuse of discretion.
19 And Jason texted you back, In that case, I don't
20 have a problem with that.
21 During that text exchange, you gave no
22 advice to Mr. Gibson that providing a conflict
23 waiver for the Hong Kong counsel to assist Gill
24 Sperlein could potentially be a breach of the
25 settlement agreement with Oron, correct?

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1 A. No, because we had talked about it
2 before. And I think, as I've testified, there are
3 clearly missing text messages in all this, but I
4 don't believe that there were any that would
5 change my testimony.
6 Q. Okay.
7 A. At least in this segment.
8 Q. And you said you believe there are
9 missing text messages, but you have your own
10 iPhone, and it was forensically examined, and the
11 results of that examination were made available
12 and given to both parties, correct?
13 A. I don't know.
14 Q. I'm curious why, if your relationship
15 with Jason is so bad at this point in time, in
16 August 2012, and you believe you are going to be
17 terminated, that when you supposedly warned
18 Mr. Gibson that assisting Mr. Sperlein could
19 violate the settlement agreement, and he instructs
20 you to go ahead and do it, nonetheless, that we
21 haven't seen any documentation, why didn't you do
22 something to cover yourself and document when that
23 conversation took place?
24 A. I don't understand your question.
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1 time, your relationship with Mr. Gibson was really
2 bad; that was your testimony, correct?
3 A. Yes.
4 Q. And Mr. Gibson is instructing you to do
5 something that could potentially violate a
6 settlement agreement the company has entered;
7 that's your position, correct?
8 A. Yes.
9 Q. And you go ahead and take action that
10 could potentially breach the settlement agreement,
11 correct, at Mr. Gibson's instruction; that's your
12 position?
13 A. Yes.
14 Q. But you don't do anything to document
15 that Mr. Gibson gave that instruction. That seems
16 odd. So I'm wondering why you didn't do that?
17 A. If your testimony is that it seems odd,
18 I'll accept your opinion. But this was all -- all
19 explained to him. And at this point, there was no
20 certainty that there was even a settlement
21 agreement.
22 And you see, the goal here was to get
23 $550,000. So our discussions with both AEBN, and
24 I -- and there was another party that we talked
25 about this with, as well, where I have no

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1 documentation of it, but we also spoke with
2 attorneys for Manwin, who wanted to go after Oron.
3 And the agreement was always, We'll help you, but
4 we get the first $550,000.
5 The settlement agreement or not, the
6 belief was the 550 was a pretty low number,
7 considering we had $2 million locked up. So the
8 mission here was get the $550,000 one way or the
9 other. I don't think Jason cared if we got it --
10 in fact, I know Jason didn't care if we got it
11 under the July 1st agreement or if we got it as
12 tribute from another party that was happy with our
13 assistance.
14 Q. Mr. Randazza, isn't it true that you
15 never told Mr. Gibson that you were helping Gill
16 Sperlein, and the only reason you even told him
17 about the conflict waiver is because clients have
18 to sign the conflict waiver?
19 A. Nope, that's not true at all.
21 A. I'm there.
22 Q. Exhibit 346, Mr. Randazza, the first
23 e-mail on the top of the page, first page,
24 EMC1165, that's an e-mail from Jason Fischer, and
25 he works for your firm, correct?

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1 A. Yes.
2 Q. To Mr. Sperlein on August 23rd, 2012?
3 A. Yes.
4 Q. And Mr. Fischer is providing Gill with
5 access to your entire Oron file, correct?
6 A. Yeah. What we did is we created a
7 separate server so that he could get access to the
8 filings on that server, but not access to any
9 other files that belonged to Corbin Fisher.
10 Q. And that was on the Jungle Disk cloud
11 storage service; is that correct?
12 A. Yes. If you look back to the EMC1167,
13 that will show you what that was about.
14 Q. And Mr. Fischer informs Mr. Gill that
15 he's going to have access to our entire Oron file,
16 correct?
17 A. Correct.
19 A. I'm there.
20 Q. Exhibit 348 is an e-mail between Erika
21 Dillon and Mr. Sperlein on August 28th, 2012. And
22 Erika Dillon sent to Mr. Sperlein all known bank
23 accounts that your firm was aware of related to
24 Oron, correct?
25 A. That's what that looks like.

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1 Q. And giving Mr. Sperlein information about
2 all known bank accounts would assist Mr. Sperlein
3 in also obtaining injunctions to freeze Oron's
4 funds, correct?
5 A. Now, more importantly, it would freeze
6 the funds on a continuing basis, so we could
7 continue to have a bite at them in the event that
8 things went sour in our -- in the appeal, and in
9 the continued negotiations over this settlement
10 agreement or non-settlement agreement.
12 Exhibit 371 is an e-mail from you to
13 Mr. Sperlein on August 28th. You wrote to
14 Mr. Sperlein, I spoke to our HK attorneys this
15 morning. They pointed out a pretty obvious issue
16 that I think I should have identified before. The
17 settlement agreement states that Liberty will
18 dissuade others from bringing suit. I think we
19 can share stuff that is in the public domain, but
20 having Liberty execute a waiver could be a
21 violation of that portion of the agreement.
22 Do you see that?
23 A. Yes.
24 Q. Gall pointed out to you on or about
25 August 28th that their representation of

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1 Mr. Sperlein could potentially be a breach of this
2 settlement agreement provision, correct?
3 A. That's what this says, yes.
4 Q. And that's when you became aware that
5 that was a possibility, that helping Gill could
6 breach the settlement agreement, correct?
7 A. Oh, no. I had some concerns about that
8 going back. But we felt that strategically -- and
9 by "we," I mean Jason and myself felt that
10 strategically it was still to our advantage to
11 assist someone else in freezing those funds.
12 Q. Can you now turn to Exhibit 349, which is
13 in the other binder?
14 A. Yes. Okay. I'm there.
15 ARBITRATOR HABERFELD: 340 what?
16 MS. KRINCEK: 349, second to last exhibit
17 in that binder.
18 THE WITNESS: Okay. I'm there.
19 ARBITRATOR HABERFELD: I have it. Yes.
20 Thank you.
21 BY MS. KRINCEK:
22 Q. Exhibit 349 is an e-mail from yourself to
23 Erika at Corbin Fisher. She is your paralegal,
24 correct?
25 A. Yes.

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1 Q. And it's also copied to Jay DeVoy, and he
2 was your associate at Randazza Legal Group,
3 correct?
4 A. Correct.
5 Q. And you wrote to Erika, Despite Gill's
6 good fortune, I think we should file a
7 half-hearted motion to stay asking the court to
8 please keep the PayPal funds frozen pending the
9 appeal deadline or FF Magnat's stipulation that it
10 will not appeal.
11 And then you list three reasons.
12 Number 1 was, It can't hurt. Number 2, It would
13 be grounds to continue the Mareva in HK. And
14 Number 3, it will help us with our mask that we
15 are not helping Gill.
16 And by the way, we can't help Gill until
17 the appeal deadline passes, correct?
18 A. Correct.
19 Q. You were trying to hide the fact that you
20 were assisting Gill Sperlein, correct?
21 A. We did not want Oron to know that.
22 Q. You didn't want anyone outside of your
23 group of yourself, Erika, and your law firm to
24 know that you were helping Gill, correct?
25 A. No, you are not being truthful.

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1 ARBITRATOR HABERFELD: I would appreciate
2 it if you would in future answers use the word
3 "accurate," unless you really want to come back
4 and use "truthful," because that's creating
5 something that I think is unnecessary, unless you
6 believe it to be.
7 THE WITNESS: I believe that statement to
8 be untruthful.
9 ARBITRATOR HABERFELD: All right. Then
10 we'll leave it where it is.
11 BY MS. KRINCEK:
12 Q. Mr. White on direct examination asked you
13 some questions about some assistance with respect
14 to Oron that was provided to you by an individual
15 named James Grady.
16 Do you recall that testimony?
17 A. I do.
18 Q. And Mr. Grady provided you with
19 information to assist in the Oron dispute,
20 correct?
21 A. He did.
22 Q. Mr. Grady had obtained access to Oron's
23 e-mail accounts, including privileged e-mails that
24 Oron exchanged with their attorney, Mr. Lieberman,
25 correct?

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1 A. That's what he told me, yes.
2 Q. And you asked Mr. Grady on more than one
3 occasion to share those intercepted privileged
4 communications with you, correct?
5 A. He volunteered it at first, but, yes.
6 Q. And Mr. Grady provided you with financial
7 and business records of Oron, correct?
8 A. He did.
9 Q. And he was providing you information
10 about e-mails sent and received from Oron's e-mail
11 accounts, correct?
12 A. That is my recollection at this time.
13 Q. And Mr. Grady provided to you the
14 suspected owner of Oron, Mr. Bochenko's personal
15 e-mail account and Skype phone logs, correct?
16 A. Correct.
17 Q. And you asked Mr. Grady to have
18 documentation that he had gathered regarding Oron
19 sent in an anonymous package to the company,
20 correct?
21 A. Correct.
22 Q. And you submitted some of the information
23 provided to you by Mr. Grady, including private
24 banking records for Oron to the US District Court,
25 correct?

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1 A. Correct.
2 Q. And you represented to the court that
3 that documentation was received anonymously,
4 correct?
5 A. Correct.
8 Q. On the first page of Exhibit 396, the
9 bottom portion, you were e-mailing Mr. Grady. In
10 the last paragraph, you said, How certain are you
11 of the owner's identity and location? Their
12 lawyer is telling me that they are in Hong Kong.
13 Of course I don't buy it. But what's your backup
14 for that information?
15 There you are talking about Oron,
16 correct?
17 A. Yes.
18 Q. And in the top portion of the e-mail, and
19 this is James Grady responding to you, Mr. Grady
20 said, I pay a guy, call him a forensic
21 investigator, to dig past domains by proxy and
22 things like that.
23 He called me today while I was sitting in
24 Ft. Lauderdale airport with the info. Haven't
25 seen it myself yet, but the guy has never been

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1 wrong.
2 And further down in the e-mail, Mr. Grady
3 said to you, But my guy didn't get info at Walmart
4 in the course of normal commerce.
5 Do you see that?
6 A. I do.
7 Q. So Mr. Grady informed you that he was
8 using a guy, call him a forensic investigator, to
9 dig past domains by proxy and things like that,
10 correct?
11 A. Correct.
12 Q. That's the information Mr. Grady gave to
13 you about the source of the information he was
14 providing about Oron to you, correct?
15 A. That was his initial explanation.
16 Q. He gave you no other information about
17 the source of his information, other than the
18 content of this e-mail, correct?
19 A. No, incorrect.
22 A. I'm there.
23 Q. I'm going to start at Line 7. Question:
24 So this is the communication where he tells you
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1 normal -- in the course of normal commerce?
2 Answer: That's it, yeah. Yep, now I
3 remember it.
4 Question: He tells you in there he pays
5 a guy, call him a forensic investigator, to dig
6 past domains by proxy and things like that.
7 Answer: Uh-huh.
8 Question: Nowhere in this e-mail does he
9 tell you he didn't get them illegally, correct?
10 Answer: He did not tell me -- he did not
11 say, I did not get them illegally, but I
12 understood this to be that he did not -- he did
13 get them legally, either digging them from the
14 trash or some other way that they had waived their
15 ability to keep them confidential.
16 Question: You have no other information
17 to work on, other than what's in this e-mail
18 communication, correct?
19 Answer: I don't recall any other
20 information now.
21 So at deposition you testified you had no
22 other information about the source of Mr. Grady's
23 information he was providing to you, correct?
24 A. I testified that I did not recall any at
25 that date and time. However, if you continue

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1 down, you can see that there is more.
3 A. Yes. I'm there.
4 Q. Exhibit 397 is an e-mail communication
5 between Mr. Grady and yourself on June 20th, 2012.
6 And Mr. Grady is sharing with you information he's
7 learned about Oron. He says in his e-mail on the
8 first page, Summary of on topic e-mails today.
9 Steve L -- and to your understanding, was he
10 referring to Steve Lieberman, counsel for Oron?
11 A. Looking at this now, that's what I would
12 say that's what that means.
13 Q. Steve L, with Oron help, contacts two
14 German law firms to ask about a preemptive-style
15 suit that would prevent legal action in the USA.
16 One firm states they not interested if
17 reasoning is just to delay legal action in USA.
18 Second firm loosely mentions some
19 options, but insists on seeing not only the draft
20 you sent, but the exhibits, which Steve doesn't
21 have. Later the German lawyer, Sven Podworny,
22 says he could start something versus Liberty, but
23 he can't guarantee would solve issue or be binding
24 in the USA and would be costly.
25 Further discussions involve terms of

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1 service changes for Oron.com.
2 Mr. Grady is reporting to you on the
3 privileged communications between Oron and their
4 counsel, and the counsel they are seeking; is that
5 correct?
6 A. That's what he was -- seems to be
7 communicating.
8 Q. And if you turn to Page 2 of this
9 exhibit, MJR13974?
10 A. I'm there.
11 ARBITRATOR HABERFELD: Let's go off the
12 record for a second.
16 record.
17 BY MS. KRINCEK:
18 Q. Page 2 of the e-mail, at the top, on
19 June 20th, 2012, you e-mailed Mr. Grady, and you
20 said, You have any indication that Lieberman told
21 him to move their domain name or money?
22 Do you see that?
23 A. Yes.
24 Q. So you are asking Mr. Grady to relay to
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1 communications between Lieberman and Oron,
2 correct?
3 A. I believe that that's who the "they" is
4 in that, yes.
6 A. Okay. All right. I'm there.
7 Q. This is an e-mail that Mr. White
8 questioned you about on direct examination, but we
9 didn't talk about all portions of it.
10 So it's an e-mail exchange between
11 yourself and James Grady where in the bottom
12 e-mail you asked him if he was interested in
13 coming down to Vegas for a hearing on July 3rd,
14 and he responded, Sure. Whatever you need.
15 And then -- and then you respond to
16 Mr. Grady, and you say, Okay. I need you to
17 develop a report, everything you know about Oron.
18 And Number 2, you to consider what happens if the
19 judge wants to know where you got your
20 information. As far as I know, it was lawfully
21 obtained. You certainly got it lawfully. If the
22 source is a disgruntled Oron employee, great;
23 jilted lover, great; hacker, problematic.
24 Do you see that?
25 A. Yes.

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1 Q. But Mr. Grady had already told you he was
2 using a forensic investigator to dig past domains
3 by proxy and things like that, correct?
4 A. That was what he said in his e-mail.
5 Q. Okay.
6 A. He said, Let's call him a forensic
7 investigator.
8 Q. And he digs back -- he digs past domains
9 by proxy and things like that, correct?
10 A. I don't actually know what that means. I
11 mean, that's what he said, but I don't know what
12 it means.
13 Q. During this time period, you entered a
14 retainer agreement with Mr. Grady, correct?
15 A. I did.
16 Q. And Mr. Grady contributed $5,000 to going
17 after Oron, correct?
18 A. He contributed to Liberty's legal fees,
19 yes.
20 Q. You kept Mr. Grady's $5,000, correct?
21 A. I didn't keep it. I put it toward the
22 expenses for this case.
23 Q. How did you do that?
24 A. I don't recall. I'm sure I have a record
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1 Q. Did you give it to Liberty?
2 A. I don't know if I gave it to Liberty or
3 if I transmitted it to pay -- or if I paid other
4 expenses with it.
5 Again, I would be pleased to look through
6 my records for it, but I can't testify right now
7 the exact path that it took.
8 Q. I'm going to move on to a new topic.
9 While you were employed by Excelsior, you
10 represented pro bono clients against an entity
11 known as Righthaven, correct?
12 A. Yes.
13 Q. And your employment agreement allowed you
14 to do pro bono work under the auspices of
16 A. I was permitted to do so, yes.
17 Q. And did Excelsior approve you handling
18 those pro bono matters?
19 A. They approved of it, yes.
20 Q. And in the Righthaven cases, you obtained
21 an award of fees, correct?
22 A. Correct.
23 Q. And that included fees for your time,
24 correct?
25 A. Correct.

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1 Q. And the fee award was $55,000, correct?
2 A. Sounds right.
3 Q. And you collected on that award, correct?
4 A. Yes.
5 Q. You did not tell Excelsior you collected
6 on it, correct?
7 A. It was widely reported in the press. I'm
8 pretty sure we discussed it.
9 Q. You have a recollection of telling
10 someone at Excelsior that you collected $50,000 in
11 fees on the Righthaven pro bono case?
12 A. I don't have an affirmative memory of
13 every conversation I had two and a half years ago.
14 Q. Well, do you have an affirmative memory
15 of that conversation?
16 A. I don't. But it was so widely reported,
17 someone -- I don't know how anyone could have
18 missed it.
19 Q. Did you turn over the 55,000 -- the
20 portion of the 55,000 fee award that was
21 attributed to your time to Liberty?
22 A. I did not spend any Liberty time on that
23 matter.
24 Q. There were matters you were handling
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1 Excubitor, correct?
2 A. Correct.
3 Q. And what service did Excubitor provide?
4 A. They were a forensic investigator.
5 Q. And was there a time when Excubitor, the
6 agreement was that they were entitled to a
7 percentage of settlement recoveries for the work
8 they were doing?
9 A. Yes.
10 Q. And when settlement monies came into your
11 trust account on those matters, you were paying
12 Excubitor from your trust account directly,
13 correct?
14 A. I did. That was our initial agreement
15 with them.
16 Q. And then you would transfer the balance
17 of the settlement payment to Excelsior, correct?
18 A. Correct.
19 Q. And then Excelsior paid you your
20 25 percent bonus amount on what you remitted to
21 them, correct?
22 A. Correct.
23 Q. Eric Carrender was employed at Excelsior
24 when you worked there, correct?
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1 Q. And he was terminated by Excelsior,
2 correct?
3 A. I don't know. I think so. I don't know
4 if he was terminated or if he quit.
5 Q. You testified on direct that you did not
6 know that Eric -- what Eric Carrender did for the
7 company; do you recall that?
8 A. I don't recall his exact position.
10 A. Sure. Okay.
11 Q. The first page of Exhibit 379, which is
12 Bates stamped EMC2609. And for the record, these
13 are a series of communications with your firm and
14 Eric Carrender.
15 The first page is an e-mail from Jay
16 DeVoy of your firm to Eric Carrender on June 6th,
17 2013. And you were copied on this e-mail,
18 correct?
19 A. Yes.
20 Q. And Mr. DeVoy wrote to Mr. Carren --
21 wrote to Mr. Carrender, Eric, to confirm, your
22 meeting is at 11:00 o'clock a.m. on June 11th --
23 on June 11th, correct? After speaking with Marc,
24 we came to the agreement that I should prep you
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1 attorney and attorney for another party litigating
2 against Excelsior, our communication will be
3 privileged.
4 Do you see that?
5 A. Yes.
6 Q. Mr. DeVoy communicated to Mr. Carrender
7 that he was Mr. Carrender's attorney, correct?
8 A. That's what that e-mail seems to suggest.
9 Q. And if you will move to the third page of
10 this exhibit, which is EMC2611.
11 A. Okay.
12 Q. The bottom e-mail is from yourself to
13 Eric Carrender on June 25th, 2013. And you wrote
14 to Mr. Carrender, I can't advise you, as I am not
15 your attorney, but I would certainly serve as a
16 witness that you were not incompetent.
17 You e-mailed that to Mr. Carrender,
18 correct?
19 A. Correct.
20 Q. You were offering to be a witness for
21 him, correct?
22 A. Yes.
23 Q. You suggested to Mr. Carrender that he
24 pursue a claim for harassment against the company
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1 correct?
2 A. Actually, he called me and asked me if he
3 had a case.
4 Q. And you suggested to him that he file a
5 Charge of Discrimination; is that correct?
6 A. No. He called me and asked me if he
7 should file one. I told him I couldn't advise
8 him.
11 A. Yes. Okay.
12 Q. Page 311, Lines 13 to 17. Question: You
13 suggested to him that he should pursue a claim for
14 harassment against the company by filing a Charge,
15 correct?
16 Answer: If he felt he had one. And I
17 think that's why he contacted me.
18 A. Is there a question?
19 Q. Is your testimony today still that you
20 did not suggest to him that he file a Charge of
21 Discrimination?
22 A. Yes.
23 Q. You contacted another former employee,
24 Nick Mosier, who, in fact, was the person that
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1 him, and you encouraged Mr. Mosier to be a witness
2 for Mr. Carrender, correct?
3 A. I think I did.
4 Q. Do you know an individual named Chip
5 Carter?
6 A. I do.
7 Q. He was the director of marketing for
9 A. Yes.
10 Q. While this dispute was pending and during
11 the time that Mr. Carter was still employed by
12 Excelsior, you asked him to provide you a copy of
13 the Bar complaint filed against you by the
14 company, correct?
15 A. I did.
16 Q. And you asked him to provide that to you
17 by sending it through his personal, rather than
18 his company e-mail address, correct?
19 A. I did.
20 Q. And he complied and provided you with a
21 copy of the Bar complaint, correct?
22 A. He did.
23 Q. You filed a motion for attorney's fees in
24 the Oron matter on August 10th, 2013, correct?
25 Does that sound right to you?

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1 A. I know it was filed. I don't know if I
2 personally filed it, but, yes.
4 A. I'm there.
5 ARBITRATOR HABERFELD: One moment,
6 please.
8 ARBITRATOR HABERFELD: We have it.
9 MS. KRINCEK: Thank you.
10 BY MS. KRINCEK:
11 Q. Exhibit 92, Mr. Randazza, is a motion for
12 attorney's fees that you and your firm filed in
13 the Oron matter, correct?
14 A. Yes, that's the motion.
15 Q. Can you please turn to Page 8 of that
16 motion?
17 A. I'm there.
18 Q. Can you please read Section G?
19 A. In the above-captioned matter, Randazza
20 Legal Group regularly billed Liberty for their
21 services calculated based on the attorneys'
22 standard hourly rates.
23 Q. Isn't it true that as of August 10th,
24 2013, you had not invoiced Liberty for any of
25 Randazza Legal Group's work on the Oron matter?

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1 A. I don't recall.
2 Q. I want to go back to your deposition
3 transcript where you answered this question.
4 A. Uh-huh.
5 Q. It's Page 182.
6 A. Okay.
7 Q. Page 182, Lines 3 to 8. Question: You
8 had not, as of August 13th, invoiced Liberty for
9 RLG's work on the Oron matter, correct?
10 Answer: I had not --
11 A. Sorry. Where are we again? Okay. Yes.
12 Got it.
13 Q. Answer: I had not. Yes. And now I
14 recall why I asked him to give them the bonuses,
15 that they all agreed to not take any money unless
16 we got paid from Oron.
17 Does that refresh your recollection?
18 A. It does.
19 Q. You had not invoiced Liberty for RLG's
20 work as of August 13th, 2012, correct?
21 A. I don't believe we had sent them a bill
22 as of that date.
23 Q. And isn't it true that you did not bill
24 Liberty the RLG's attorneys' standard rates when
25 you did bill them for RLG work, correct?

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1 A. They had a contingent discount.
2 Q. You billed them an hourly rate that you
3 calculated to cover their cost to you and not
4 more, correct?
5 A. That was after their discount, yes.
6 MS. KRINCEK: That's all the questions I
7 have.
8 MR. WHITE: Your Honor, I do have some
9 redirect, which I have painstakingly drafted to be
10 as brief as possible.
11 ARBITRATOR HABERFELD: Would you like to
12 do that now?
13 MR. WHITE: If I may have a break, and
14 then I would like to do it.
15 ARBITRATOR HABERFELD: Let's take our
16 ten-minute break now.
17 MR. WHITE: Thank you.
21 ARBITRATOR HABERFELD: We're on the
22 record.
23 MS. KRINCEK: I don't have an objection
24 to it coming in. I think it's ambiguous what Val
25 is saying he doesn't believe the representation

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1 that the company spent over $50,000 in fees, but I
2 don't have an objection to it coming in. I don't
3 know how helpful it is.
4 ARBITRATOR HABERFELD: Received, then.
5 We'll have it put into the respective notebook.
6 MR. WHITE: Your Honor, may I proceed
7 with redirect?
8 ARBITRATOR HABERFELD: Let's wait for
9 Ms. Krincek to do whatever she's going to.
10 MS. KRINCEK: I'm going to put it in the
11 binder. Thank you.
12 ARBITRATOR HABERFELD: Okay, Ms. Krincek?
13 MS. KRINCEK: Yes. Thank you.
14 MR. WHITE: Go ahead, Mr. White.
15 REDIRECT EXAMINATION
16 BY MR. WHITE:
17 Q. Mr. Randazza, do you recall being shown
18 some of your deposition regarding your
19 communications with Mr. Grady a couple minutes
20 ago?
21 A. Yes.
22 Q. And you started to say something about
23 how there was another portion of your deposition
24 that was relevant, right?
25 A. Yes.

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1 Q. Would you please look at Page 293 before
2 you, which is just a couple pages after the one
3 that was read to you?
4 A. Okay.
5 Q. And --
6 A. I'm there.
7 Q. Go to Page 293 at Line 17. Let me know
8 when you are ready.
9 A. I'm there.
10 ARBITRATOR HABERFELD: Let's wait for
11 Ms. Krincek.
12 MS. KRINCEK: I'm there, Your Honor.
13 Thanks.
14 ARBITRATOR HABERFELD: Proceed.
15 BY MR. WHITE:
16 Q. Mr. Randazza, did you get these questions
17 and give these answers at that same deposition:
18 Question: You suspected that Mr. Grady was
19 getting this information through a hacker,
20 correct?
21 Answer: I felt it was incumbent upon me
22 to at least ask him that.
23 Question: Did you ask him that?
24 Answer: I asked him -- I know that I had
25 a phone call with him, as well as this e-mail

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1 where I said I needed him to reassure me that this
2 was not obtained illegally because I was going to
3 use it as evidence.
4 Do you recall giving that testimony?
5 A. I do.
6 Q. Mr. Randazza, let me turn back to the
7 beginning of cross-examination.
8 The video we saw briefly of you naked by
9 a pool, was that the incident you discussed where
10 you took a drink on Mr. Gibson's birthday?
11 A. Yes.
12 Q. We also heard a tape of you in character
13 of someone, I think you called Rob the Amazing
14 Racist.
15 Can you tell me very briefly who that was
16 and what it was based on?
17 A. That was a character based on a piece of
18 racist hate mail that we received from a guy named
19 Rob, and we all dubbed him, Rob the Amazing
20 Racist.
21 Q. So who are you mocking when you are in
22 that character?
23 A. Mocking Rob the Amazing Racist.
24 Q. You were shown a number of e-mails and
25 texts after the film on the desk incident, and

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1 even after the backseat incident in which you were
2 being friendly with Jason.
4 A. I do.
5 Q. You were also shown texts suggesting that
6 you socialized with him after those events; do you
7 recall?
8 A. I do.
9 Q. Why, if you were bothered, did you
10 continue to be polite and socialize with him?
11 A. I was in fear of losing my job, and I
12 have a wife and two little kids to provide for, so
13 I was being friendly to suck up to my boss.
14 Q. You were asked whether you still
15 regularly socialized with Mr. Gibson in
16 August 2012, and I believe you said yes.
17 Is that true?
18 A. Yes.
19 Q. Was it as regular as it had been before,
20 say, the desk filming incident?
21 A. The frequency and quality of our hanging
22 out was markedly different.
23 Q. You were asked questions about whether
24 you saw evidence of people having sex literally on
25 top of your children's pictures.

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2 A. Yes.
3 Q. What did you intend to convey by saying
4 people were having sex on pictures?
5 A. Whether they're off to the side, I don't
6 find it any less offensive. If the pictures are
7 lying there on the desk, my pictures are beneath
8 them on the floor, they are still having sex over
9 my kids and family's pictures.
10 Q. There was also some testimony about
11 whether Mr. McCoig, during the sex act in the back
12 of the car, was sitting in the car seat or leaning
13 into it.
15 A. Yes.
16 Q. What exactly do you recall he was doing
17 during the incident?
18 A. From what I could see, he was sitting in
19 the center seat with part of his body draped into
20 the car seat.
21 Q. You were asked whether you knew that
22 Excelsior had a harassment policy.
24 A. Yes.
25 Q. And you did know, right?

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1 A. I did know it had a policy.
2 Q. Why didn't you use the procedures set
3 forth in the policy?
4 A. Can you be more specific?
5 Q. Well, why didn't you go through the
6 complaint procedure specified in Excelsior's
7 harassment policy?
8 A. Which time?
9 Q. After the film?
10 A. Well, I went directly to the CEO instead.
11 I thought that was the more appropriate way to do
12 it.
13 Q. And the second time, after the car
14 incident?
15 A. Given the way that Jason had treated me
16 on the first incident, I didn't see there being
17 any sense in it, and I was reasonably sure that I
18 would be summarily fired at that point.
19 Q. You were asked some questions about the
20 TNAFlix negotiations.
22 A. Yes.
23 Q. And specifically Ms. Krincek showed you
24 some of the e-mails and agreements in which you
25 went back and forth with the lawyer on the other

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1 side about brokering a deal; do you recall?
2 A. Yes.
3 Q. Why would you continue to keep up the
4 dealing after your client, Liberty, had already
5 gotten its deal?
6 A. There are a number of reasons. But at
7 least one of them is that I needed to maintain my
8 credibility such as it was with Val.
9 Q. What do you mean?
10 A. Well, if I immediately dropped this
11 discussion with him the second the deal was inked,
12 what would that make it look like?
13 Q. Did you anticipate having further
14 dealings with Val in other cases?
15 A. Yes. Val is the -- is the lawyer of
16 choice for pirates in the industry.
17 Q. Did you even have anyone available to buy
18 the Website in question there?
19 A. I did not have a buyer.
20 Q. Do you recall being asked about whether
21 or not you actually had a conversation with your
22 partner Ron Green about how much you should charge
23 to be conflicted out of suing Oron?
24 A. I do recall talking about that.
25 Q. And Ms. Krincek asked you did you know

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1 that Mr. Green said the conversation never
2 happened?
3 A. Yes.
4 Q. And you said in your deposition that you
5 thought it did happen, right?
6 A. Yes.
7 Q. How can you explain that discrepancy?
8 A. You know, given the length of time
9 between that date and now, the duration of the
10 deposition and looking at that document, I think I
11 may have just inferred that it happened from
12 reading that document.
13 Q. Does it make any sense to you now,
14 thinking about it, that you would have had that
15 conversation?
16 A. It really wouldn't make any sense. I
17 consider Mr. Green's testimony to be more
18 credible.
19 Q. Did Mr. Green have any power at your firm
20 to dictate things like that?
21 A. No, not at all.
22 Q. You were asked whether you understood at
23 the time you were engaging in these negotiations
24 with lawyers for opposing parties whether you
25 understood it was unethical to negotiate towards

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1 being conflicted out.
2 Do you remember that?
3 A. Yes.
4 Q. Do you recall whether you understood it
5 was unethical to negotiate versus consummate such
6 a deal?
7 A. My understanding is that it would be
8 unethical to consummate the deal.
9 Q. Did you at the time have a specific
10 understanding whether or not it was unethical to
11 bluff about the deal?
12 A. My understanding was that there would be
13 nothing unethical about bluffing about a deal like
14 that.
15 Q. Did you tend to believe what Mr. Gurvits
16 said in negotiations?
17 A. Not a word.
18 Q. You began to answer a question from
19 Ms. Krincek by saying that you have to know how to
20 play chess with Val.
21 What do you mean by that?
22 A. Val is a unique character. And when you
23 negotiate with him, you need to understand the
24 playing field that you are on.
25 Q. What playing field is that?

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1 A. Val and I negotiated in a way that I
2 don't think I negotiated with any other attorneys.
3 There's a lot of -- I mean, frankly, Val and I get
4 very wildly profane with each other during
5 negotiations at times. And there's a lot of
6 bluffing and a lot of -- you know, a lot of things
7 like deadlines that we'll impose on each other
8 that are just ridiculous, and neither of us expect
9 the other to adhere to.
10 He's always bluffing about -- he always
11 loves this statement where you just bought me a
12 new car, so we have a lot of going back and forth
13 about that.
14 Q. All right. Now, did you ever have an
15 impression as to whether or not Val believed
16 everything that you said during these exchanged
17 bluffs?
18 A. I think Val and I were like two poker
19 players that had seen each other a lot. So, no, I
20 didn't frankly think Val bought half of my
21 bluffing, either.
22 Q. Would you please -- let me ask you: Have
23 you recently seen something produced by
24 Respondents that's consistent with your
25 understanding of how Val viewed you?

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1 A. I did.
2 Q. Would you please look at Exhibit 107?
3 And I'm going to hand you the copy, and I
4 previously handed a copy to His Honor.
5 A. I have it.
6 Q. Is this the document you are talking
7 about?
8 A. It is.
9 Q. So this appears to be an e-mail from Val
10 to one of Respondents' lawyers forwarding one of
11 your e-mails and saying, I believe that's a lie,
12 if he's trying to get more money, despite
13 Liberty's instructions to the contrary.
14 Do you see that?
15 A. I do.
16 Q. Is that consistent with your
17 understanding of how Val intended to view these
18 discussions?
19 A. Yes.
20 Q. Remember how you were asked about when
21 Mr. Gibson found out that Oron was offering you
22 money to conflict you out?
23 A. Yes.
24 Q. You were asked whether there was any
25 document that showed that you had, in fact, told

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1 Jason, Mr. Gibson, verbally.
3 A. Yes.
4 Q. Would you please look at Exhibit 69?
5 A. Okay. 69 is open.
6 Q. Mr. Randazza, do you recognize this
7 e-mail exchange?
8 A. I do.
9 Q. And I would like you to look at Point 2
10 in your list of three points, shortly down into
11 the page.
12 Do you see it?
13 A. I do.
14 Q. Now, this says, I fully disclosed to you
15 even before it happened. I told you they were
16 making overtures about that.
17 Do you see that?
18 A. I do.
19 Q. Was that a true statement you made to
20 him?
21 A. Yes.
22 Q. Did he ever send back an e-mail
23 contradicting you?
24 A. I don't believe he did.
25 Q. Now, you were also asked whether

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1 Mr. Gibson ever said anything in writing showing
2 that he understood that the money was supposed to
3 eventually go to Liberty, whatever money was
4 given.
6 A. Yes.
7 Q. Would you please turn to Exhibit 324?
8 A. I'm there.
9 Q. And I'll wait until everyone has it.
10 Mr. Randazza, this is an e-mail exchange
11 between you and Mr. Gibson on August 13th, 2012,
12 when he began to express concerns about the
13 75,000.
14 Do you see that?
15 A. I'm sorry. Could you repeat the
16 question?
17 Q. Is this an e-mail exchange between you
18 and Mr. Gibson on August 13th, 2012 about the
19 $75,000?
20 A. That's what it appears to be.
21 Q. Would you please look on the second page?
22 A. Okay.
23 Q. The portion from Mr. Gibson, are you
24 there?
25 A. Yes.

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1 ARBITRATOR HABERFELD: For the record,
2 that's EMC158; is that correct?
3 THE WITNESS: That's what I'm looking at.
4 MR. WHITE: Correct.
5 ARBITRATOR HABERFELD: Okay.
6 BY MR. WHITE:
7 Q. Would you please read the sentence that
8 begins, The whole "bribery" deal.
9 A. The whole, quote, bribery, end quote,
10 deal sits funny with us as it is written,
11 especially when there is no guarantee we will even
12 get the extra 75K from their attorney's trust
13 fund.
14 Q. Do you understand what that refers to?
15 A. Yes.
16 Q. When you talked about this settlement,
17 did Mr. Gibson immediately express concern whether
18 or not Liberty would ever get the money from
19 Mr. Gurvits' trust account?
20 A. Yes, there was -- Jason asked me what
21 guarantee we had that Gurvits would transfer the
22 additional $75,000. And I told him that there was
23 no guarantee that it would happen.
24 Q. Now, did you present this to Mr. Gibson
25 as likely the final deal?

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1 A. No. I presented it to him as where Val
2 was stuck at that point.
3 Q. Ms. Krincek asked you questions about
4 cutting off access to the Jungle Drive with the
5 legal materials from Liberty.
7 A. I do.
8 Q. Before you left Excelsior, who had access
9 to the Jungle Drive?
10 A. Me and Erika at the company.
11 Q. So at the time, did any of the executives
12 of the company have direct access to it?
13 A. No, they did not.
14 Q. I would like to clear up something where
15 you contradicted yourself yesterday.
16 Yesterday morning you said that you
17 bragged about how your XVideos relationship helped
18 you get things taken down.
19 Yesterday afternoon, when Ms. Krincek
20 asked you, you said you never disclosed the
21 relationship with XVideos.
22 Can you explain that discrepancy, please?
23 A. In the context of the question I
24 understood Ms. Krincek's question to mean, did I
25 do it in a formal waiver environment.

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1 Q. Did you do a formal waiver or formal
2 disclosure?
3 A. I did not.
4 Q. Did you, in fact, brag about how your
5 relationship with them as their lawyer helped you
6 get things?
7 A. Yes, including that they would do active
8 suppression.
9 Q. Late in the afternoon yesterday, you
10 speculated that you might have been the DMCA agent
11 for XVideos.
12 Is that true?
13 A. No. I -- in fact, I checked my records
14 last night, and there's no truth to that at all.
15 Q. Why would you say such a thing?
16 A. As you probably saw from my outburst at
17 the end of the day, I was exhausted and looking at
18 very small print on a page, and looking at that, I
19 got confused.
20 Q. How was it handled when something was up
21 on XVideos that was Liberty's content?
22 A. If someone had uploaded content to
23 XVideos, normally XVideos would suppress it before
24 anything even happened.
25 But then there would be -- if someone

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2 Q. Short version: Liberty feels entitled to

3 any extra, so the 75K goes to them.

4 Do you see that?

6 Q. That's the new ethical problem that

7 you've developed, correct?

8 A. That's how I communicated it to

10 Q. Are you trying to say now that that

11 statement to Mr. Gurvits is untrue?

12 A. It's -- in part, it is, because I had a

13 conversation with Mr. Gurvits earlier, and I don't

14 recall precisely when or which date, but I told

15 him that I wanted whatever he paid to go to the

16 company. And for some reason, Oron insisted,

17 according to Val, that the maximum amount of money

18 that would ever go to Liberty would be 600,000.

19 At this point, we were dancing around and

20 getting close to the money being transmitted, and

21 I didn't feel like I should continue to BS Val

22 that it was going to go to me as a settlement or

23 some other way that I could then essentially

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1 A. I was -- I was confessing to him that the

3 Q. So Val, up to this point, believed that

4 he -- the $75,000 was going to you; is that what

5 you are saying?

6 A. I was leading him to believe that. I

7 don't know if he actually believed me or not.

8 Q. Now, Mr. Gurvits responds and he says,

9 Liberty has another problem. It's past Monday.

10 That ship has sailed.

11 Do you see that?

13 Q. Mr. Gurvits had previously expressed to

14 you that the settlement offer was only good if it

15 was executed by both parties by August 13th,

17 A. His proposed settlement agreement, yes.

18 That was his stated position at the time.

19 Q. Now, it's your contention in this

20 arbitration that by early August 2012, even before

21 the August 13th meeting when you gave Jason the

22 Oron settlement with the bribe in it, that your

23 relationship with Jason was really bad?

24 A. Yes. I would say it was quite bad by

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1 Q. Can you please turn to Exhibit 365?

2 A. I can. I'm there.

3 Q. I'm just going to ask you, Mr. Randazza,

4 about the first e-mail on this page. It's from

5 you to Mr. Gibson on Sunday, August 5th, 2012.

7 Q. You say to Mr. Gibson, Also, I am sorry

8 that I have not provided you with such up-to-date

9 information on what is going on lately. As I have

10 been in the "heat of battle."

11 Do you see that?

13 Q. And then in the last paragraph of your

14 e-mail, you say, Over the next few days, I will be