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three stars is indicative of my personal enjoyment of the book, but that does not change the fact that this author has done something extraordinary, and this book should probably be read by most people. let's call this 3 3/4 stars for fun.
why did i read this?? duh, obviously, i wanted to see what kind of writing chops this lady had to think she could write a Y/A book about brother-sister incest. how do you market the taboo to the teen set? this is the same impulse that made me read living dead girl - to take a peek at the mechanics of this kind of writing. i find it fascinating. how do you handle this kind of subject matter without going all-out lurid and titillating shock-value tawdry? greg, upon hearing i was reading this, volunteered to write a YA book about "a teen that fucks a dead dog." that one would be harder to pull off without crossing that poor taste line. this one manages very gracefully, and i am very impressed with both her restraint and her candor.
because when i was a teen, books like forever were the big dirrrty books, and although i never read that one when i was young, i read it recently, and lord, is it boring. this book may not ultimately have managed to fall into my "best books ever" category, but that's just me and realistic YA, it's nothing lacking in the book.i still find her achievement impressive, and it is never boring.
there are so many amazing things about this book. lochan and maya are two older teens raising up their three younger siblings while their single mom goes out trying to make up for all the fun she missed out on while she was stuck making all of them. their relationship is very much like that of any tired and harried young couple with young children, except for that little curveball that they are themselves siblings. in this claustrophobic environment of bill-paying and lunch-making and emergency room visits, while still attending high school with all of its pressures, they cling to each other emotionally, and eventually cross that line. some of this is facilitated by lochan's having zero social skills or even any social contact outside of the family. despite being some kind of academic star, he has some pretty seriously stunted emotional development and difficulty communicating outside of the family. maya is more complicated. she has a social set, she has friends and schoolgirl crushes, but nothing can compare to the bond she shares with lochan - their difficult childhood made them one soul divided and all that. there is a lot of slow build, and a lot of pushing away and second-guessing, which makes the idea more believable. nothing is done without considering the danger of the relationship, and the nutty thing is, i totally found myself rooting for them.
this has to go on my icky-sex shelf because incest is still icky, but in this example, it is much less icky than usual because it is wholly consensual, and the circumstances are so unusual. not flowers in the attic unusual, but pretty close. but like flowers in the attic, there are consequences to every action. and they unspool pretty much as you expect, on the bitter side of bittersweet.
definitely worth reading, just to see how it's all done.
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why did i read this?? duh, obviously, i wanted to see what kind of writing chops this lady had to think she could write a Y/A book about brother-sister incest. how do you market the taboo to the teen set? this is the same impulse that made me read living dead girl - to take a peek at the mechanics of this kind of writing. i find it fascinating. how do you handle this kind of subject matter without going all-out lurid and titillating shock-value tawdry? greg, upon hearing i was reading this, volunteered to write a YA book about "a teen that fucks a dead dog." that one would be harder to pull off without crossing that poor taste line. this one manages very gracefully, and i am very impressed with both her restraint and her candor.
because when i was a teen, books like forever were the big dirrrty books, and although i never read that one when i was young, i read it recently, and lord, is it boring. this book may not ultimately have managed to fall into my "best books ever" category, but that's just me and realistic YA, it's nothing lacking in the book.i still find her achievement impressive, and it is never boring.
there are so many amazing things about this book. lochan and maya are two older teens raising up their three younger siblings while their single mom goes out trying to make up for all the fun she missed out on while she was stuck making all of them. their relationship is very much like that of any tired and harried young couple with young children, except for that little curveball that they are themselves siblings. in this claustrophobic environment of bill-paying and lunch-making and emergency room visits, while still attending high school with all of its pressures, they cling to each other emotionally, and eventually cross that line. some of this is facilitated by lochan's having zero social skills or even any social contact outside of the family. despite being some kind of academic star, he has some pretty seriously stunted emotional development and difficulty communicating outside of the family. maya is more complicated. she has a social set, she has friends and schoolgirl crushes, but nothing can compare to the bond she shares with lochan - their difficult childhood made them one soul divided and all that. there is a lot of slow build, and a lot of pushing away and second-guessing, which makes the idea more believable. nothing is done without considering the danger of the relationship, and the nutty thing is, i totally found myself rooting for them.
this has to go on my icky-sex shelf because incest is still icky, but in this example, it is much less icky than usual because it is wholly consensual, and the circumstances are so unusual. not flowers in the attic unusual, but pretty close. but like flowers in the attic, there are consequences to every action. and they unspool pretty much as you expect, on the bitter side of bittersweet.
definitely worth reading, just to see how it's all done.
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Looking forward to your review! I've had this book in my TBR forever.
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Yeah, compared to Forever, this is a masterpiece. I like Judy Blume, but her ramblings on Todd, or Ted, or whatever the hell Michael called his dick. Eh, no thanks. I like Flowers in the Attic more, but that's probably because the weirdness in that story was on LSD laced crack. This is only smoking weed. Maybe meth.
You should read Cement Garden by McEwan, just so you can see how a literary British male handles this same subject matter.
Should I write the dead dog book as this years NaMo project?
Tentative title Fucking my Dead Dog is Fucking Awesome
Tentative title Fucking my Dead Dog is Fucking Awesome
Greg wrote: "Should I write the dead dog book as this years NaMo project?
Tentative title Fucking my Dead Dog is Fucking Awesome"
...I will totally make a t-shirt for that.
Tentative title Fucking my Dead Dog is Fucking Awesome"
...I will totally make a t-shirt for that.
Greg wrote: "Should I write the dead dog book as this years NaMo project?
Tentative title Fucking my Dead Dog is Fucking Awesome"
um YES!
Tentative title Fucking my Dead Dog is Fucking Awesome"
um YES!
I was thinking it would be very similar to the burrito one, you know so that when someone sees the cover they would know instantly it's a Greg Stahl book.
How about self-aware/ironic/shameless "allusion" to other popular teen books in the title of this future Stahl work? Dead Dog Fucker and the Dead Dog Fucker's Sorcerer's Stone. Twilight Dead Dog Fucker Eclipse. Dead Dog Animorphs Fucking.
wait - this one isn't twincest!! but these are!
http://www.goodreads.com/book/show/32...
http://www.goodreads.com/book/show/13...
http://www.goodreads.com/book/show/32...
http://www.goodreads.com/book/show/13...
Oh, I'm well familiar with the existence of Sage Whistler's masterpiece. It is, after all, ranked 3rd on the illustrious Best Gay Twincest/Brothercest list. I think Whistler could've just as well named the book Anal Fissures since either title conjures up the same idea.
And I will never read that genre fantasy bullshit of the second link. Ever. There's only one man who looks like a troll/elf/wizard who writes dense and boring stuff that I'll ever possibly try to read.
And I will never read that genre fantasy bullshit of the second link. Ever. There's only one man who looks like a troll/elf/wizard who writes dense and boring stuff that I'll ever possibly try to read.
I'm sure it's fun. I need to read about a zillion of my unread fancy artsy snobby books before I can justify giving it a whirl though. Maybe someday.
It's funny that I seem to have made more of a controversy over reading the popular fantasy book rather than the twinbrotherfucking book.
I'd be whipping out the credit card if that were available for amazon pre-order. Make it happen, Stahl!
Jasmine wrote: "mfso seriously? it's like 30 pages long suck it up and read it first."
I was talking about Game of Thrones.
I was talking about Game of Thrones.
hmmm... I am in a post coupland haze and got confused...
that will take you a hundred years it's like reading infinite jest all over again but with dragons.
that will take you a hundred years it's like reading infinite jest all over again but with dragons.
Greg wrote: "here is a rough cover idea. I'd like to have flies added and the tongue hanging out more.
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awesome
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awesome
Maybe Caris has it? Since he and I are bros now it'd be fitting for him to give it to me. Ayyyyyyyyyyo!
If the Quebec Separatists had dragons instead of wheel chairs...
If Madame Psychosis were elfin...
If Gately had wizard's sleeve...
If Madame Psychosis were elfin...
If Gately had wizard's sleeve...
MyFleshSingsOut wrote: "If the Quebec Separatists had dragons instead of wheel chairs...
If Madame Psychosis were elfin...
If Gately had wizard's sleeve..."
sounds fun.
If Madame Psychosis were elfin...
If Gately had wizard's sleeve..."
sounds fun.
I'd totally ready Fucking My Dead Dog Is Fucking Awesome. Also, yes, when I think incest, I think The Cement Garden...
i must be trashy, because my mind goes straight to the v.c. andrews...
and i read allll of the dollanganger books. i loved them.
and i read allll of the dollanganger books. i loved them.
Wow! That is awesome Greg. You know that now that you've posted that online whenever someone Googles Greg Stahl and dog fucking they'll be directed to this page. So that's good because more votes for Karen's review right.
Yeah Karen when I started reading this review I thought of Flowers in the Attic. I read all those books when I was about twelve. So much for parental supervision.