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The Secret Garden
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1 star for a popular and beloved classic?
What a scandal.
Well, I think this is the first classic that I'm giving a 1 star for so it’s a fairly big deal.
Although I did not finish this, I already know how the book wraps up. (view spoiler)
Here's the thing:
Many classics deal with universal ideas. The Secret Garden deals with kids who have been neglected emotionally by their parents, and even though it's overdone now days, I can understand why it was so popular a century ago. I already know the character will have some self-realization about the fact that she’s a little bitchy, ungrateful kid (of course, she will still be racist), and she will live happily ever after with her uncle, never attending school because she’s a stupid female. “Oh, she doesn’t need school, she needs to jump more rope!”
I just can't connect with a story about a spoiled little rich kid who finds out that they can actually be nice, but it warms my heart to know everyone is capable of such emotion.
I also believe the message of the book was loud and clear: if you grow up in a environment like India instead of England then expect yourself to be a bad and mean person too. The message was not: be a nice person even if you're rich or don't be rude and bratty.
And if I have to read one more line of Martha talking, I'll lose it. Can the women speak properly? I don't care if it’s some accent. It’s goddamn annoying reading it. I also believe her brother was on meth because he would go around the field saying, “ahahaha canna tha’ can you hears the birds and smell the honey…”
Classic? Please!
EDIT: No need to point out to me that racism was the norm in the early 20th century. I held no illusion that was contrary to that. However, I also believe that it was not necessarily something everyone subscribed to even back then. There are people born far earlier than Frances Hodgeson Burnett and held far more progressive beliefs and were not so easily led by society to subscribe to such notions. What of men such as William Lloyd Garrison and Wendell Phillips after all?
Their code of morals were above a novel whose main purpose was to teach about morals. This is what essentially annoys about this novel. I don't care for the racism in other books. H.P Lovecraft's racism doesn't disturb me. After all, his stories weren't written to teach kids about morality or goodness.
It's the fact that this book is dedicated to correcting the behavior and morals of a child at every instance. However, when the child says, "blacks are not people" and no one bothers to contradict her then whatever message this book was attempting to deliver about morality is lost.
The author is a "product of her time." Sorry, I didn't realize that you had to be born at a particular period of human history to see others of different appearance as human.
What a scandal.
Well, I think this is the first classic that I'm giving a 1 star for so it’s a fairly big deal.
Although I did not finish this, I already know how the book wraps up. (view spoiler)
Here's the thing:
Many classics deal with universal ideas. The Secret Garden deals with kids who have been neglected emotionally by their parents, and even though it's overdone now days, I can understand why it was so popular a century ago. I already know the character will have some self-realization about the fact that she’s a little bitchy, ungrateful kid (of course, she will still be racist), and she will live happily ever after with her uncle, never attending school because she’s a stupid female. “Oh, she doesn’t need school, she needs to jump more rope!”
I just can't connect with a story about a spoiled little rich kid who finds out that they can actually be nice
I also believe the message of the book was loud and clear: if you grow up in a environment like India instead of England then expect yourself to be a bad and mean person too. The message was not: be a nice person even if you're rich or don't be rude and bratty.
And if I have to read one more line of Martha talking, I'll lose it. Can the women speak properly? I don't care if it’s some accent. It’s goddamn annoying reading it. I also believe her brother was on meth because he would go around the field saying, “ahahaha canna tha’ can you hears the birds and smell the honey…”
Classic? Please!
EDIT: No need to point out to me that racism was the norm in the early 20th century. I held no illusion that was contrary to that. However, I also believe that it was not necessarily something everyone subscribed to even back then. There are people born far earlier than Frances Hodgeson Burnett and held far more progressive beliefs and were not so easily led by society to subscribe to such notions. What of men such as William Lloyd Garrison and Wendell Phillips after all?
Their code of morals were above a novel whose main purpose was to teach about morals. This is what essentially annoys about this novel. I don't care for the racism in other books. H.P Lovecraft's racism doesn't disturb me. After all, his stories weren't written to teach kids about morality or goodness.
It's the fact that this book is dedicated to correcting the behavior and morals of a child at every instance. However, when the child says, "blacks are not people" and no one bothers to contradict her then whatever message this book was attempting to deliver about morality is lost.
The author is a "product of her time." Sorry, I didn't realize that you had to be born at a particular period of human history to see others of different appearance as human.
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""The Secret Garden is a pleasant book about a bunch of racists who are convinced that living in the windy moors of England somehow cures disease." That really sums up the book."
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I took that into account since you can't judge a book based on perspectives of that time, but the author mainly sent the messege that India is what caused little Mary to be such a brat. Overall, It seemed its other message about being kind was lost.
The MC actually grew up in India, and really loved it there before going to boarding school in England. It's one of my favorite children's books. I'd be interested in what you thought of it and how India was portrayed.
It's strange that the auhor's perspective changes. Is the main character more likable than Mary cause she was honestly the main reason I couldn't stand the book.
No. She's British, but India and books about India were popular in the late 19th century since British presence there was so widespread.
I really liked Sara in A Little Princess, but then again, I wound up liking Mary later on, too. It's just a matter of perspective.
I really liked Sara in A Little Princess, but then again, I wound up liking Mary later on, too. It's just a matter of perspective.
It's kind of the first book I've read that mentions British colonization in India. The other was a Great and Terrible Beauty, which includes this girl who never stops mentioning how ugly she is. I never found out what happened in the last book. I think you might have read it.
A lot of people do. This makes me feel like an outcast. I just thought the message which the author was conveying about being kind-hearted and not spoiled; didn't ring true. Maybe it gets better as I only read 120 pages...
I guess it comes to opinion. I know people who hate The Great Gatsby and To kill a Mockingbird, which I can't understand myself.
I guess it comes to opinion. I know people who hate The Great Gatsby and To kill a Mockingbird, which I can't understand myself.
Thank you for your review. I think we must have read a different book to everyone else. all my friends gave it 5* and I found it absolutely dreadful, couldn't even finish, and for the exact same reasons as you.
Including the Yorkshire accent. Ill do the accent in my head, thank you very much, I don't want to have to say stuff out loud to figure out what I means...
Including the Yorkshire accent. Ill do the accent in my head, thank you very much, I don't want to have to say stuff out loud to figure out what I means...
I stopped reading it at about the same amount of pages 100 and something and i do so for the same reasons i just hated Mary and i did not see myself standing the accent. Eventually i went back to it and read it through and i can assure that you got the message of the book all wrong i actually think Mary was not the MC she was a tool written to cure the actual focus of the book. I wont give you any spoilers just in cause you felt like going back to it and reading it just finished it and am about to write my review.
The book is about the stupidity of classism. Did you read it, really? I think that if you write a review without finishing the book, you state that. If you actually finished it, I don't see how you could miss the absolute overt message against classism.
The story is about the endearing power of overcoming your upbringing to find something better in your journey through life. You have to forgive Mary her archaic method of thinking of people of color because it was a different time where people were conditioned at a young age with the notion of white privilege as a way of life. This is all they know. Mary was a fortunate child who was left to fend for herself by her parents but learns to have a heart on her own. Money has nothing to do with it. Would you care for her more if she were poor? Ridiculous. Just because she was from money doesn't make her journey any less valid. Money doesn't ensure that you're born humble, it must be taught, you have to learn it.
The story has many layers. This is why its a work of art and a classic. Its not just about a little girl and a garden.
I liked the book although the Yorkshire accent was kind of hard to understand it is still one of the most treasured classics of this era
When I was in elementary school, I had one teacher who would read to the class out of TSG, and I loved it. Tried to read it as an adult and couldn't get more than about 50 pages in. Just didn't hold me. I guess I became too jaded or sophisticated(hah!) for it? It's not often that I don't finish a book, especially one that I was looking forward to finally reading myself.
completely baffled by the racism comment. there's nothing racist about it. mary has not been well in india, but this was common for English children, that's why most of them were sent back to England, It's not racist, it's a matter of fact. you conveniently ignore the fact that Colin, who has lived in England a,ll his life, is also a little horror. And Martha's accent is Y orkshire, not hard to understand. The remarkable thing about the book for its time was that two spoilt bad tempered rich upper class children Are taught to appreciate life and nature by sturdy working class Yorkshire folk.
The review seems to miss the point completely, IMO. The problem with Mary and Colin isn't that they're "rich," but that they are simultaneously spoiled (being given every material thing they could want) and neglected - deprived of love and attention. Any racism is in the characters - I would bet that Burnett herself was probably more appreciative of Indian culture than the average person of the time. And a 10-year-old girl who has basically been shut up, ignored and raised by servants - who disliked her not because they were Indian but because she was a thoroughly horrid little brat - is supposed to appreciate "having the opportunity to live and experience two places"? I doubt most kids, even with the healthiest upbringing, would be that self-aware at that age. However, you get from it what you get from it, and you seem to have been determined to get as little as possible.
I love Martha's accent, especially on the audio version I listened to. But if you don't, for God's sake never read Wuthering Heights. Joseph is ten times worse, and a horrible person to boot.
Racism is a form of prejudice. So is asking someone to "speak properly," instead of in their normal vernacular.
Merna reading this would have done you a lot of good as you exemplify the character of Mary at the beginning of the story — sour, nasty, self-absorbed and having an opinion on something before you even bother to understand it. While the book takes place within the socio-economic class structures of its time, that is not at all what it was about. It is about cultivating life (i.e., the metaphor of the garden left unattended to whither and die) and its return on investment. It saddens mean that you, like Mary, are too self absorbed in the negative to even find your secret garden. Shame really
I like the book, but I have to agree with your review. Racism is still around, but was terrible back in those days.
Very odd that you abhor the racist comments in the book while at the same time making prejudiced comments about the dialect spoken by its characters.
I feel like a lot of the people who don't like this book are ones who don't finish it. I'd encourage anyone to give it another try, the ending isn't as predictable as this review makes it out to be.
You say you don't like the racism in the book, racism is obviously prejudice and yet you say '' can't the woman speak properly'' about Martha who is speaking her local dialect. If someone had said that about an Indian charecter what would your response be then? Double standards! Also the story is not about the fact that she is rich but that she is neglected. You say that she should appreciate having the opportunity to experience both England and India but there are more important things than what money can give you! Friendship, family, love, attention is far more preferable than any material gains and Mary and Colin didn't have any of these despite being rich! Dickon and Martha on the other hand had no money but had family, loved each other and appreciated what they had. Both Mary and colin's improvement of life and indeed, Lord Craven's was all due to the influence and positive attitude of Dickon and Martha!
There's a quote in the book that says "“I dare say it’s because there’s such a lot o’ blacks there instead o’ respectable white people" and that it showed indeed some racism. Mary heard that phrase and got furious saying “What! You thought I was a native. You—you daughter of a pig".
I'm sure the time this book was published was a huge contributor of that representation but we can't say that the story is bad because it contains racism. It's not even the main point of this book. :)
I'm sure the time this book was published was a huge contributor of that representation but we can't say that the story is bad because it contains racism. It's not even the main point of this book. :)
In my opinion I think the author was just showing the beliefs of that time. And Martha's accent, it was shown how she spoke. Nearly all classics have abbreviations and the language of that time. However it is your opinion and I respect it.
This review entirely misses the point. We can't just write off classics because they include mindsets similar to those of the era. If we were to do that then Shakespeare would be considered an awful playwright.
Lord this book. I get the racism was normal for the time period, but that doesn’t mean it’s going to age well by today’s standards
I didn't find the skin tone mentions and national comparisons to be done with malice or ill intent. Martha was even excited to think she could have engagement with a "black", as she put it. Making notice of cultures and appearances can easily open up a reader to an era and/or culture. The biggest critiques were against all three children's appearances as we all tend to speak on what we see, even when it is a bit rude by our own standards (ironically, this story plays on that with everybody's impressions and gossip).
It doesn't excuse the racism, of course, but this book was written during English colonization.