Wikidata:Property proposal/magazine capacity

Originally proposed at Wikidata:Property proposal/Creative work

We have no way of modeling this so a property is needed

My knowledge of real-life firearms is limited so please bear over me if i made any mistakes.

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Firearms are not the only engineered things in the world that use magazines (clips). We should change the description to something more like

"In (real or fictional) devices like a firearm, weapon, or engineered thing, this is the default capacity or size of a devices' magazine, clip, or other container typically used to hold ammunition, bolts, cartridges, tools, etc. which pushes those items as needed usually through a spring-based mechanism into a receiver for further use by the device".

This should allow broad usage on not only weapon (Q728), but any engineered device, machine (Q11019), tool (Q123691918), or object (Q488383) most generally. --Thadguidry (talk) 23:50, 9 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Would you mind adding examples? Trade (talk) 00:51, 10 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Also fortifications. Vicarage (talk) 04:35, 10 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Please add or replace examples Trade (talk) 21:10, 10 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Thadguidry, could you please clarify comments above? Regards, ZI Jony ^(Talk) 02:52, 21 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

1. Single and Multi-cartridge pen injectors for diabetes patients use a magazine to hold the cartridge(s).

2. Magazines used in various medical devices where clinical applications are administered to patients, such as nucleic acid delivery systems for cancer treatments.

3. Lab-on-a-chip devices use cartridges inserted into magazines for rapid diagnostic testing.

4. In metalworking, stamping presses use magazines to feed formed sheets or strips of metal into presses.

5. In construction, various tools use magazines to hold nails, screws, fasteners, etc. for quick dispensing. (Nail guns, etc.)

6. CNC Machines use "tool magazines" for holding and autoloading from, to allow continuous operation. In this context, the magazine is reused, over and over to load/unload the tool tips, adapters, etc. from. It's still a magazine and spring loaded typically, but with multiple outlets, not only a single outlet (so that multiple tools can be grabbed from at once, used, and then stored again into the "magazine").

7. Injection molding machines use magazines to automatically load plastic pellets from a larger hopper.

8. Color guns, other equipment types (NOT WEAPONS) used in games and real life - https://satisfactory.fandom.com/wiki/Color_Gun -- Thadguidry (talk) 07:17, 21 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Thadguidry and Vicarage, would you like to give your opinions? Regards, ZI Jony ^(Talk) 07:26, 28 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

  Support in its broader usage form. Vicarage (talk) 07:29, 28 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

  Support in its broader usage form. It will be useful to not constrain this proposed magazine capacity to only weapons, as I have demonstrated above, which can come later with other proposed properties or qualifiers in order to have the capability to narrow queries. Otherwise, it should be renamed to "weapon magazine capacity" as to not affect a future more broader property of "magazine capacity" later on. My preference is to go with the broader form for a property now. Thadguidry (talk) 08:19, 29 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

•   Support Vicarage (talk) 09:45, 19 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
•   Support in broader form Kurzov (talk) 19:58, 2 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  
• This seems to propose a property for a very broad spectrum of things that are called "magazine" specifically in the English language. But what about other languages? Wikidata's data model is supposed to be largely language-agnostic and other languages can (and often do) have widely different names for these things - to the point where they might be considered somewhat related but distinct concepts. So I think this isn't really optimal and it's usually better to create properties for specific, easily defined concepts rather such broad, vague ones. --2A02:810B:5C0:1F84:BC74:40E3:34A3:4D8A 01:39, 1 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

  Disagree. Much easier and faster to code queries for a few flexible properties than unions of specific ones Vicarage (talk) 04:51, 1 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

• @Trade, Vicarage, Kurzov, Thadguidry:   Done as magazine capacity (P13048) Regards, ZI Jony ^(Talk) 21:59, 3 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]