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Move to "Security incidents involving Donald Trump"

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It is clear there won't be any consensus to merge in the immediate future. (non-admin closure) —Compassionate727 (T·C) 00:26, 16 September 2024 (UTC)Reply

With ABC reporting that Trump was not targeted, this article would make more sense in Security incidents involving Donald Trump with similar events Toastertime (talk) 19:15, 15 September 2024 (UTC)Reply

I would argue it belongs in Trump International Golf Club (West Palm Beach). elijahpepe@wikipedia (he/him) 19:16, 15 September 2024 (UTC)Reply
It of course deserves a mention in both, but full-length coverage (which with the information available now is only a few sentences) in my view should only be given in the article about Trump himself. Flemmish Nietzsche (talk) 19:19, 15 September 2024 (UTC)Reply
I created the article from a redirect, but I'm not opposed to moving it back to either target. None of the reports I initially received were indicative of an assassination attempt, though I want to hear information from the sheriff's office first. elijahpepe@wikipedia (he/him) 19:24, 15 September 2024 (UTC)Reply
I agree. This hardly appears notable. TheBritinator (talk) 19:37, 15 September 2024 (UTC)Reply
Agree; as long as the current reporting of there being no casualties and the shots not being targeted directly at Trump holds true this event is no more notable than the other entries in Security incidents involving Donald Trump with no separate articles. Flemmish Nietzsche (talk) 19:43, 15 September 2024 (UTC)Reply
Agreed. we might have jumped the gun on this when making this article. Bluethricecreamman (talk) 19:50, 15 September 2024 (UTC)Reply
Wait: We have an entire article about the 2016 Donald Trump Las Vegas rally incident, so there is a chance that this one will survive, depending on what information is released over the next few hours. –Gluonz talk contribs 19:55, 15 September 2024 (UTC)Reply
If information is released then it can be made into a new page, not before. As of right now, this should be a redirect. Di (they-them) (talk) 20:05, 15 September 2024 (UTC)Reply
  • Comment I just heard on CNN the shots were directed at Trump
Ovioas,wo (talk) 20:06, 15 September 2024 (UTC)Reply
As did I in the last hour, but I still do not believe this warrants an article. elijahpepe@wikipedia (he/him) 20:20, 15 September 2024 (UTC)Reply
NYT reports that the motive is still unclear. Everything is up in the air, it seems. --WellThisIsTheReaper Grim 20:45, 15 September 2024 (UTC)Reply
Wait. If the reports are true that the shooter shot in the vicinity of Trump, then this will be notable Personisinsterest (talk) 20:29, 15 September 2024 (UTC)Reply
Oppose - Trump was the target according to CNN which suggests this is another assassination attempt. Not only should this remain a separate article, it should also be renamed. — Preceding unsigned comment added by BrendonJH (talk • contribs) 20:23, 15 September 2024 (UTC)Reply
Oppose/Wait – CNN is now reporting that officials/sources believe that Trump was targeted. Let's wait before considering a merger. If this incident is confirmed to be another assassination attempt, it would merit its own article. Nice4What (talk · contribs) – (Thanks ♥) 20:34, 15 September 2024 (UTC)Reply
Lets also not jump the gun (unfortunate idiom) proposing deleting the article. Kiwiz1338 (talk) 20:42, 15 September 2024 (UTC)Reply
Merge. This is yet again another breaking news article about something that will utterly fail the ten-year test. LilianaUwU (talk / contributions) 20:58, 15 September 2024 (UTC)Reply
Hmm... if it is investigated as an assassination attempt, then it miiiiight be notable. Wait. LilianaUwU (talk / contributions) 21:42, 15 September 2024 (UTC)Reply
Investigations change all the time, just because they say they investigate it as something doesnt mean thats what it is. Thats... what an investigation is. I wouldnt be surprised if the guy didnt even know Trump was at the golf course. Grifspdax (talk) 21:46, 15 September 2024 (UTC)Reply
So he wandered around with an assault rifle and fired it at a golf course which a controversial politician owns just for funsies? Cremastra (talk) 21:51, 15 September 2024 (UTC)Reply
crazy people do crazy stuff all the time, just because someone shoots at the White House or near it doesnt mean they try to assassinate the president Grifspdax (talk) 21:54, 15 September 2024 (UTC)Reply
Trump was not injured during the incident. I’d compare this to Trump’s 2016 Las Vegas rally incident, where someone also attempted to assassinate him - but he was not injured, and thus the title does not allude to the “assassination attempt.” It should thereby be referred to as an incident, not an AA. --WellThisIsTheReaper Grim 22:03, 15 September 2024 (UTC)Reply
Oppose/Wait until there is more information. Swinub★ 20:58, 15 September 2024 (UTC)Reply
Oppose The FBI has just said it 'appears to be' an assassination attempt with Trump as the intended target, seems notable Benmanone (talk) 21:01, 15 September 2024 (UTC)Reply
About 21 minutes ago, I added a {{Merge from}} template to Security incidents involving Donald Trump#2024 Trump International Golf Club shooting that matches the {{Merge to}} template at the top of the page for Trump International Golf Club shooting. I assume that it's the norm to create matching uses of these templates. Is that the norm? (Also, is the noun "uses" the preferred term in this context? If not, what is?) Ss0jse (talk) 22:38, 15 September 2024 (UTC)Reply
Oppose, I’ll say it’s notable to its own, we just need to work on the article name. LuxembourgLover (talk) 23:11, 15 September 2024 (UTC)Reply
Oppose/Wait CNN and AP is reporting the FBI is investigating it as an assassination attempt[1] — Preceding unsigned comment added by CharlesViBritannia (talk • contribs) 21:02, 15 September 2024 (UTC)Reply
Oppose – The FBI is investigating the incident as an assassination attempt. ★ The Green Star Collector ★ (talk) 21:07, 15 September 2024 (UTC)Reply
Merge This did not result in any injuries or deaths, and fails the ten-year test. JohnAdams1800 (talk) 21:08, 15 September 2024 (UTC)Reply
Merge this is a nothing-burger don't make it bigger than it is. Grifspdax (talk) 21:18, 15 September 2024 (UTC)Reply
Strong oppose The FBI confirms this is being investigated as an assassination attempt. Johndavies837 (talk) 21:20, 15 September 2024 (UTC)Reply
Oppose and wait since details concerning it are becoming more apparent. 2600:2B00:9639:F100:E0A4:AB32:669E:475F (talk) 21:20, 15 September 2024 (UTC)Reply
Wait - This is getting a lot of attention in the press because of Trump being targeted (according to CNN). This will likely deserve it's own article, but we have to wait and see. CountyCountry (talk) 21:22, 15 September 2024 (UTC)Reply
Oppose + Wait since this is considered a developing subject. YodaYogaYogurt154 (talk) 21:28, 15 September 2024 (UTC)Reply

Merge, this is a routine incident that just so happened to be near Trump. Nobody was injured, and this event does already/will fail WP:NEVENT in the coming days. If I made an article on every time someone's ever heard gunshots, I'd make about a billion articles. Sir MemeGod :D (talk - contribs - created articles) 21:31, 15 September 2024 (UTC)Reply

hard agree. Are we going to make articles for every crime that happens near a presidential candidate from now on? Grifspdax (talk) 21:33, 15 September 2024 (UTC)Reply
That's what was being reported earlier, but the FBI is now investigating it as a possible assassination attempt. [1] David O. Johnson (talk) 23:22, 15 September 2024 (UTC)Reply

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  1. ^ https://www.bloomberg.com/en/news/thp/2024-09-15/ap-newsalert-fbi-says-former-president-donald-trump-was-subject-of-an-apparent-assassination-attempt-at-his-florida-golf
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Move to " Second attempted assassination of Donald Trump"

Latest comment: 1 month ago34 comments25 people in discussion

CNN is now reporting that the FBI is referring to the event as "an assassination attempt". The current title of the article does not accurately reflect what happened. BrendonJH (talk) 20:54, 15 September 2024 (UTC)Reply

Move it to the trash, as it's not notable. LilianaUwU (talk / contributions) 20:55, 15 September 2024 (UTC)Reply
agree 100% Grifspdax (talk) 21:55, 15 September 2024 (UTC)Reply
Support Associated Press has published a news article that the FBI has confirmed this was “what appears to be an attempted assassination”, meeting WP:REPUTABLE, WP:NEWSORG. https://apnews.com/article/trump-shooting-gunshots-florida-f62f8378d3a8ce7b2e99d6a8fb40aba9 Sypher98 (talk) 22:54, 15 September 2024 (UTC)Reply
Wait, but likely support under a different name, for example, July 2024 Attempted assassination of Donald Trump and September 2024 Attempted assassination of Donald Trump. LuxembourgLover (talk) 23:08, 15 September 2024 (UTC)Reply
Oppose per Reaper. Jon Ace T C 23:09, 15 September 2024 (UTC)Reply
Oppose, but maybe make "Second attempted assassination of Donald Trump" a redirect to this page. People will probably call it the "second attempted assassination", especially since it happened within 2 months of an actual attempt, but I think the current title describes what actually happened better. Tahadagal (talk) 00:32, 16 September 2024 (UTC)Reply
Boldly shutting down this pile-on now. Cremastra (talk) 21:54, 15 September 2024 (UTC)Reply
@LilianaUwU: See the above discussion. –Gluonz talk contribs 20:56, 15 September 2024 (UTC)Reply
just because you're politically hard radical left and dont support him, doesnt mean its not notable. your comment is absolutely outrageously insensitive and inappropriate. Benga502 (talk) 21:04, 15 September 2024 (UTC)Reply
@LilianaUwU: Your comment is disgusting. GandalfXLD (talk) 21:06, 15 September 2024 (UTC)Reply
Hard radical left trans have every right to express its hate and disdain for Trump, especially on a hard radical left reliably disinformative platform. Sofeshue (talk) 21:26, 15 September 2024 (UTC)Reply
Striking per WP:NPA. Sofeshue Do not post anything like that again. -Ad Orientem (talk) 21:34, 15 September 2024 (UTC)Reply
"Its"? LilianaUwU (talk / contributions) 21:27, 15 September 2024 (UTC)Reply
I'll have to remember to bring this bit of WP:CIR level editorial incompetence up next time you're hauled before ANI. Marcus Markup (talk) 21:24, 15 September 2024 (UTC)Reply
Who are you three? What's so wrong with my comment about thinking something is not notable that I get piled on? LilianaUwU (talk / contributions) 21:27, 15 September 2024 (UTC)Reply
Could you please not involve your personal beliefs? Jjbomb (talk) 21:51, 15 September 2024 (UTC)Reply
Oppose. The FBI is investigating what appears to be an attempted assassination. It is not concrete proof that it was, in fact, an attempted assassination. Keep it here, or perhaps merge in coordination with the above discussion, until more information is released. --WellThisIsTheReaper Grim 21:04, 15 September 2024 (UTC)Reply
Oppose – If the incident is in fact determined to be another assassination attempt, I would prefer this article be moved to "Attempted assassination of Donald Trump in Florida" and the Attempted assassination of Donald Trump article be moved to "Attempted assassination of Donald Trump in Pennsylvania", in line with the Attempted assassination of Gerald Ford in Sacramento and Attempted assassination of Gerald Ford in San Francisco articles. ★ The Green Star Collector ★ (talk) 21:10, 15 September 2024 (UTC)Reply
Oppose This would be insane to do and is completely unprecedented. This is a nothing-burger (not notable). At most, it should be merged with the security incidents article. Grifspdax (talk) 21:21, 15 September 2024 (UTC)Reply
I agree. --WellThisIsTheReaper Grim 21:26, 15 September 2024 (UTC)Reply
Oppose, it's not the second. Swinub★ 21:26, 15 September 2024 (UTC)Reply

Deserves a 2nd attempt page

Latest comment: 1 month ago15 comments9 people in discussion

Pretty simple, Trump was the target by a man looking to assassinate him, This is the second incident in 65 days, this deserves its own place as a second assassination attempt 24.187.108.82 (talk) 21:21, 15 September 2024 (UTC)Reply

This is merely your opinion and not a preponderance of the facts, as is required under Wikipedia’s notability guidelines. We need concrete and objective proof that this was in fact an attempted assassination. Furthermore, no one was injured and thus this as a standalone article would fail Wikipedia’s 10-year test. --WellThisIsTheReaper Grim 21:32, 15 September 2024 (UTC)Reply
This event already surpasses the guidelines for notability. As expected, the partisans on both sides are out in force attempting to skew how the article on the assassination attempt is framed. Dr Fell (talk) 22:02, 15 September 2024 (UTC)Reply
Childish bickering, not needed Swinub★ 22:24, 15 September 2024 (UTC)Reply
Bro, we get it, you're a far-right fox news watcher. Any crime happening near a presidential candidate doesnt deserve an article. Grifspdax (talk) 21:35, 15 September 2024 (UTC)Reply
@Grifspdax Discussion here needs to stay focused on the content, not contributors. —C.Fred (talk) 21:39, 15 September 2024 (UTC)Reply
Thank you for the constructive reply. Swinub★ 21:39, 15 September 2024 (UTC)Reply
But a crime that appears to have targeted a presidential candidate—especially a former president—does possibly deserve an article, and the FBI is investigating the incident as an assassination attempt. ★ The Green Star Collector ★ (talk) 21:40, 15 September 2024 (UTC)Reply
Ah yes, because clearly, every sketchy event within a 5-mile radius of a former president automatically gets its own Wikipedia page. I’m sure the editors are busy creating articles for every near-miss meteor and mildly inconvenienced pigeon that flew too close to the motorcade. How dare they take the time to, you know, actually wait for evidence and context! Grifspdax (talk) 21:43, 15 September 2024 (UTC)Reply
A guy with a scopped AK-47, had kevlar tiles, being a small distance of 300-500 yards and pointing through the fence to where a former president was seems to me as more than sketchy lmao. Kiwiz1338 (talk) 21:55, 15 September 2024 (UTC)Reply
Oh, absolutely, because "seems to me" is the gold standard for Wikipedia entries now. I’m sure the FBI is taking notes on your expert analysis. But hey, while we're at it, should we start a new page for every random guy with suspicious equipment who happens to be within a few football fields of a public figure? "Almost-maybe-could-have-been" is such a catchy article title, don't you think? Grifspdax (talk) 22:02, 15 September 2024 (UTC)Reply
The gold standard for Wikipedia is RS coverage and there is clearly plenty of that. RS are treating this as more significant than your description, Grifspdax. Bondegezou (talk) 22:06, 15 September 2024 (UTC)Reply
Almost a new low for an editor for me XD. I love your anger, something has pissed you off huh. Please keep political bias out of here, it's not like your achieving much. You had your opinion and I had mind. Anywho, this is more than "sus guy at some nonevent football match" and I think you already know that. Someone also replied to this greatly but I think it was deleted. Kiwiz1338 (talk) 22:12, 15 September 2024 (UTC)Reply
Oh, trust me, there’s nothing political about pointing out how Wikipedia works. It’s not about opinions; it’s about verifiable facts and not jumping to conclusions before we actually have them. Sorry if that sounds frustrating, but hey, rules are rules, even when they don’t fit the drama some people might want to stir up. And no, not “pissed off”—just mildly amused by the insistence on turning every incident into a headline. Grifspdax (talk) 22:15, 15 September 2024 (UTC)Reply
Everything I mentioned was said at the press conference. I have jumped no conclusions. Proposing deletion or merge this quick is jumping to conclusions. Kiwiz1338 (talk) 22:21, 15 September 2024 (UTC)Reply

Requested move 15 September 2024

Latest comment: 1 month ago44 comments27 people in discussion

Trump International Golf Club shooting → ? – The focus of the article is not the shooting (the Secret Service agent shooting at the suspect) but rather the foiled assassination attempt itself. I would suggest a rename to reflect this, such as 2024 Trump International Golf Club incident or Attempted assassination of Donald Trump in West Palm Beach. Nice4What (talk · contribs) – (Thanks ♥) 21:51, 15 September 2024 (UTC)Reply

Move to “2024 Trump International Golf Club incident”. No one was killed or injured, and there is no concrete or objective proof as to whether or not it was an attempted assassination. Even if was determined to be one, I would still support a move to here as no one was injured. I’d also support a merger with “Security incidents involving Donald Trump”. --WellThisIsTheReaper Grim 21:55, 15 September 2024 (UTC)Reply
Comment: I don't think going off of whether someone was injured or not in order to label an incident as an assassination attempt is a solid foundation. For example, no one was injured during the attempted assassinations of Gerald R. Ford in 1975 (the first one) or Cristina Fernández de Kirchner in 2022, yet they are both considered to be assassination attempts. I'd say wait until the FBI or Secret Service deems this to be an assassination attempt or not. PizzaKing13 (¡Hablame!) 🍕👑 22:37, 15 September 2024 (UTC)Reply
It seems the FBI has already characterized the incident as an assassination attempt, as per the Guardian: https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/live/2024/sep/15/donald-trump-shooting-florida-golf-course?CMP=share_btn_url&page=with%3Ablock-66e75a918f082dce7ae34412#block-66e75a918f082dce7ae34412
The FBI called the incident “an attempted assassination of the former president”. The FBI and other law enforcement officials said the suspect had a scope on his rifle, a GoPro camera with which he apparently intended to record footage and a backpack with ceramic tile in it. 2607:FEA8:BEDF:CD00:6148:E3AD:D0EA:3C30 (talk) 23:09, 15 September 2024 (UTC)Reply
Wait — we have two moving/merging discussion ongoing above. Let's wait until the investigation concludes or at least till we get a bit more information. Until then, "shooting" is an adequate description. Cremastra (talk) 21:56, 15 September 2024 (UTC)Reply
If any, (would prefer it being merged with security incidents article) it should be referred to as an incident. Calling it an assassination attempt would blow this out of proportion to what it really is and play into the hands of certain ideologues which desperately want Trump to be a martyr which he is not. Grifspdax (talk) 21:58, 15 September 2024 (UTC)Reply
Support move to Trump International Golf Club incident: In the first title, the year is unnecessary, but the title otherwise is suitable. As for the second, this incident should not be referred to as an assassination attempt in its title, as with the 2016 Donald Trump Las Vegas rally incident, another incident in which Trump was not injured. –Gluonz talk contribs 21:59, 15 September 2024 (UTC)Reply
WP:NCE is clear that we should include the year. It's far too early to omit it per the guidance of WP:NOYEAR.. —Locke Cole • t • c 22:09, 15 September 2024 (UTC)Reply
Strongly Support - Attempted assassination of Donald Trump in West Palm Beach is the most accurate way of describing this event. BrendonJH (talk) 22:07, 15 September 2024 (UTC)Reply
I’d disagree. Trump’s 2016 Las Vegas rally incident illustrates this well. Someone tried to assassinate him at that rally, and yet it isn’t described as an “assassination” but an “incident”. Trump was not harmed or injured. Neither was anyone else. Therefore it should not called an “assassination attempt”, and instead an “incident”. --WellThisIsTheReaper Grim 22:10, 15 September 2024 (UTC)Reply
While I do agree with you to some extent, I don't remember the Las Vegas attempt being described as an assassination attempt.
This current event is actively being described with such language.
Another notable difference I think is the fact that this seems to be premeditated event with the assassin hiding in the bushes waiting to ambush Trump, while the Las Vegas event was just a guy grabbing a guards gun.
What do you think? BrendonJH (talk) 22:15, 15 September 2024 (UTC)Reply
In the 2016 incident, the man behind it could not legally rent or buy a firearm, therefore his attempt to grab a guard’s gun. I’d say that while it may not have been premeditated to the point as illustrated today, it was premeditated to an extent. He had the intent to kill, yet did not have the means to (hence his attempt to grab the gun). Additionally, to your point of coverage of the incident, upon looking at past coverage, the press described it as a “plot to kill Trump” (the very definition of an assassination attempt). 1 2 3 4 --WellThisIsTheReaper Grim 22:26, 15 September 2024 (UTC)Reply
Somone failing to grab a police officer's gun then being detained is not the same as secret service agents shoting at a suspect with a gun aimed at the same area as Trump. LuxembourgLover (talk) 23:23, 15 September 2024 (UTC)Reply
See my reply. Also, there is no evidence yet to support that the man had actually planned to assassinate Trump. As of right now, we just know that there was a man with a gun and a GoPro who was shot at by a Secret Service agent. We don’t even know if the man shot the gun at all. I would like to see people exercise WP:NOR. This is all circumstantial evidence at best. --WellThisIsTheReaper Grim 23:34, 15 September 2024 (UTC)Reply
Move to 2024 Trump International Golf Club incident per WP:NCE. It's not clear that the alleged gunman even fired their weapon, and it sounds like the only shooting that occurred was a Secret Service agent shooting at the person carrying a rifle. —Locke Cole • t • c 22:15, 15 September 2024 (UTC)Reply
Move to Second attempted assassination of Donald Trump. They may be investigating it now, but we all know it was an assassination attempt. SpringField23402 (talk) 22:22, 15 September 2024 (UTC)Reply
Second this. Others in this topic are purposely trying to manipulate the language to fit their personal sense of comfort around it. The FBI says it was......
[3]https://apnews.com/article/trump-shooting-gunshots-florida-f62f8378d3a8ce7b2e99d6a8fb40aba9 P3ckadizzy (talk) 22:32, 15 September 2024 (UTC)Reply
we all know it was an assassination attempt Cool, now what do our sources know? Because right now, they only know that someone with a rifle was on the golf club grounds, apparently playing golf, and was shot at by a Secret Service agent. Also, WP:NOR. —Locke Cole • t • c 22:32, 15 September 2024 (UTC)Reply
The general consensus of most sources Wikipedia deems reliable is that the FBI are investigating a potential assassination. See: NBC, BBC, CNN coverage. FBI have released a statement affirming the same. 82.33.197.25 (talk) 22:35, 15 September 2024 (UTC)Reply
A “potential” assassination, you say. We should wait for the evidence and objective proof to make a final determination. For now, we should label this event an “incident” and not an “assassination attempt”, per my above comments. --WellThisIsTheReaper Grim 22:45, 15 September 2024 (UTC)Reply
I don't. -- Nat Gertler (talk) 22:33, 15 September 2024 (UTC)Reply
Support - This is the official term being used. BrendonJH (talk) 22:41, 15 September 2024 (UTC)Reply
Move to match similar attempt. At present the FBI are investigating as a potential assassination. As they’re publicly saying as such it should be reflected here. This can be updated at a future date if FBI drop assassination claim. 82.33.197.25 (talk) 22:31, 15 September 2024 (UTC)Reply
Wait. We can give this at least a day for the fog to clear. Chasing the title after a swiftly-moving reality won't really serve us. -- Nat Gertler (talk) 22:35, 15 September 2024 (UTC)Reply
Actually to be honest, I agree with you on this one Nat. All we're doing here is arguing, let's wait till tomorrow where we have more info on this. SpringField23402 (talk) 22:39, 15 September 2024 (UTC)Reply
Likewise. I feel the title is likely inaccurate or a non final version but it may be worth waiting 24 hours to see how the dust settles. 82.33.197.25 (talk) 22:41, 15 September 2024 (UTC)Reply
Wait. Breaking and rapidly changing news is rarely accurate, especially based on third hand accounts of unnamed sources. Q T C 22:39, 15 September 2024 (UTC)Reply
At least change name to "Incident" instead of "Shooting": From reading the sources, none of them say any bullets were fired by the suspect; to my understanding, the incident was somebody aiming a rifle at Trump, who was stopped before he could fire. Unnamed anon (talk) 22:42, 15 September 2024 (UTC)Reply
Trump International Golf Club incident seems a bit too ambiguous, but I agree "shooting" should not be in the title. Swinub★ 22:46, 15 September 2024 (UTC)Reply
Wait. Officials believe that this was an assassination attempt, but we currently don't know the suspect's motive for sure. I think we should wait to see if it gets confirmed or not to be an assassination attempt and then devise a title from there. Di (they-them) (talk) 23:13, 15 September 2024 (UTC)Reply
Should the article name of the shooting 2 months ago be changed then? Griffin Wilkins (talk) 23:35, 15 September 2024 (UTC)Reply
There is a discussion for that here. Scuba 23:55, 15 September 2024 (UTC)Reply

Ryan Wesley Routh

Latest comment: 1 month ago12 comments6 people in discussion

The name of the person detained has been released as "Ryan Wesley Routh"; this already appears in List of people who survived assassination attempts. Shouldn't it also appear here? -- 64.229.88.34 (talk) 22:52, 15 September 2024 (UTC)Reply

Need to source this, buddy. CNC33 (. . .talk) 22:55, 15 September 2024 (UTC)Reply
(edit conflict)
You could just copy the source used in the list article.
You could just use the press release from the authorities.
You could also use [1] or any other news broadcast on any news station going on right now in the U.S.
-- 64.229.88.34 (talk) 23:00, 15 September 2024 (UTC)Reply
R.W.Routh was removed from the list article with this edit [4] -- 64.229.88.34 (talk) 23:02, 15 September 2024 (UTC)Reply

References

  1. ^ Wolf Blitzer (15 September 2024). "6:00pm ET". CNN Newsroom. CNN.
At any rate, the question was answered by NatGertler below. I asked a question, I did not make a request to edit the article. -- 64.229.88.34 (talk) 23:05, 15 September 2024 (UTC)Reply
No. Per WP:BLPCRIME, For individuals who are not public figures [...] editors must seriously consider not including material—in any article—that suggests the person has committed or is accused of having committed a crime, unless a conviction has been secured for that crime. At this point, no one has even been charged, much less convicted, and the individual has not been shown be a public figure. -- Nat Gertler (talk) 22:57, 15 September 2024 (UTC)Reply
Well, he (more than likely) has been written about before, as someone who led an organization trying to recruit foreign volunteers (specifically Afghans) to fight for Ukraine. In other words, Routh is allegedly a high-ranking mercenary, which arguably qualifies as a public figure. While this almost certainly IS the same person, we would need better sources explicitly identifying the two.2600:1014:B07A:4FE3:4D36:ECB:E857:D3AB (talk) 23:05, 15 September 2024 (UTC)Reply
Even if it is the same person (and those are not rare first and last names), a single mention in a single article does not reach the level of being a public figure... nor even if we add in his Boy Scout awards. -- Nat Gertler (talk) 23:12, 15 September 2024 (UTC)Reply
He’s a public figure now by virtue of his name being announced by officials and published in reliable sources. We identify and name suspects all the time especially when english speaking sources publish their name. Kcmastrpc (talk) 23:31, 15 September 2024 (UTC)Reply
This page has a lot of information about Routh's background: https://www.themainewire.com/2024/09/what-we-know-about-ryan-wesley-routh-2nd-would-be-trump-assassin/ 98.123.38.211 (talk) 23:37, 15 September 2024 (UTC)Reply
That's exactly the opposite of our guidelines and much of our habit. -- Nat Gertler (talk) 23:48, 15 September 2024 (UTC)Reply
Stop lying.
Wikipedia names suspects who are pending litigation regularly, especially when their names are all over the news. You’ve been around long enough to know that. Kcmastrpc (talk) 00:16, 16 September 2024 (UTC)Reply

Redirects needing checking

Latest comment: 1 month ago1 comment1 person in discussion

The incoming redirects [5] to Attempted assassination of Donald Trump (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) will need checking, to see if all of them are still appropriate, or if any of them should point here, or the disambiguation page Donald Trump shooting (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) that Bluethricecreamman built, or to Security incidents involving Donald Trump (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) -- 64.229.88.34 (talk) 23:34, 15 September 2024 (UTC)Reply

Is this page really necessary?

Latest comment: 1 month ago4 comments4 people in discussion

This page seems more like a pro-trump campaign ad than an encyclopedia article. I think recentism alone makes this not notable enough to have its own article, but also the fact that literally nothing happened to trump. 71.114.123.162 (talk) 23:12, 15 September 2024 (UTC)Reply

see above, there is already a discussion on this. As of now most people are saying we should wait. Main discussion is under Move to "Security incidents involving Donald Trump" LuxembourgLover (talk) 23:17, 15 September 2024 (UTC)Reply
Yeah. assassination attempts of former presidents and current presidential candidates are notable enough for inclusion. Also there was a whole discussion on this already. Scuba 23:58, 15 September 2024 (UTC)Reply
“pro trump campaign ad” 😂😂😂😂 Indiana6724 (talk) 01:33, 16 September 2024 (UTC)Reply
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