Talk:Tornado outbreak of April 25–28, 2024

This article should be re-draftified for not having enough information. 204.98.124.205 (talk) 01:26, 27 April 2024 (UTC)Reply

It's already been requested over at Wikipedia:Requested moves/Technical requests. ~ Tails Wx (🐾, me!) 01:41, 27 April 2024 (UTC)Reply

Second this. We need to wait for more information to come out tommorow, please put this in drafts ASAP. HamiltonthesixXmusic (talk) 02:13, 27 April 2024 (UTC)Reply

OK, the first damage surveys have been released on social media for the initial Elkhorn/Lincoln area tornadoes. Article is good enough to be published independently and linked to mainspace Tornadoes of 2024. HamiltonthesixXmusic (talk) 19:47, 27 April 2024 (UTC)Reply

I’d like to request that bot thingy come and archive this section and any other sections that are no longer relevant 2601:5C5:4201:68B0:1C33:5BDD:23B8:FA6D (talk) 00:58, 30 April 2024 (UTC)Reply

Might be ClueBot III, don’t know for sure. Just guessing based on the edit history of another article’s talk page with recent archiving. 2601:5C5:4201:68B0:1C33:5BDD:23B8:FA6D (talk) 05:00, 30 April 2024 (UTC)Reply

The "Blair, NE" tornado photo is a screenshot of a copyrighted video which was taken by an unknown man. I have seen this making the rounds on social media, I just wanted to let you know that this image is 100% a copyvio. MemeGod ._. (talk) 01:36, 27 April 2024 (UTC)Reply

what about the tornadoes in iowa? underwood, minden, shelby, tennant, so on and so fourth? 2600:8804:168B:4000:812B:C115:B336:D847 (talk) 03:23, 27 April 2024 (UTC)Reply

Pertinent information will be reflected as appropriate sources (i.e. NWS surveys) come out. Though I will agree Minden seems to be one of the hardest hit communities. AllTheUsernamesAreInUse (talk) 02:23, 28 April 2024 (UTC)Reply

Surveys have not been completed; the Iowa tornadoes will be added when they are finished. EPhC4 (talk) 17:50, 28 April 2024 (UTC)Reply

a bunch of professional storm chasers and weather agencies are calling the Blair-Elkhorn wedge tornado a potential EF4+, so a lot of information might come crashing in here in the coming days. This outbreak is more significant than I thought it would be. MemeGod ._. (talk) 15:20, 27 April 2024 (UTC)Reply

Yeah, but I really wouldn't spectate on the tornado's rating or the significance of the tornado outbreak itself in general until the NWS surveys come out. ~ Tails Wx (🐾, me!) 15:26, 27 April 2024 (UTC)Reply

Potentially, but the lack of any reports of major damage there or in Minden (I think the same exact tornado) makes me think it wouldn't reach anything beyond EF3-EF4 but I don't want to speculate. PaulRKil (talk) 15:37, 27 April 2024 (UTC)Reply

Mìnđến was a different tornado. The Blair one hit parts of Omaha, and there is very, very clear EF4 damage. While I’m not saying it should be prematurely rated as such, I was just saying that we should prepare for a ton of info to start coming in quickly. MemeGod ._. (talk) 15:49, 27 April 2024 (UTC)Reply

Remember how a lot of social media personalities and agencies thought the Matador tornado was a EF4+ last year, but was actually rated high end EF3. Please wait for official NWS assessments to be released on social media, or other credible rating from the DAT for reference and addition onto here. HamiltonthesixXmusic (talk) 19:46, 27 April 2024 (UTC)Reply

Strongest tornado with damage reports was the tornado near Elkhorn, Nebraska, which is speculated to be EF3. The tornadoes yesterday (April 27) have not had as much time to be assessed, so we will see. 2605:A601:A0F2:8600:FB92:2CCD:C381:68AD (talk) 17:42, 28 April 2024 (UTC)Reply

Elkhorn could have been an EF3 or low - mid EF4. EPhC4 (talk) 17:43, 28 April 2024 (UTC)Reply

"Speculated".

Wikipedia is not Reddit, Twitter, Facebook or like any other social media app. When a fact is verified this page can be revised or expanded upon. No other exceptions. HamiltonthesixXmusic (talk) 19:01, 28 April 2024 (UTC)Reply

The tornado near Minden did have possible F5 winds but it only had EF3 damage. EPhC4 (talk) 21:27, 30 April 2024 (UTC)Reply

There are 5 PDS warnings active, 3+ wedge tornadoes on the ground, and the Ardmore HS is currently on fire. This article needs updated ASAP MemeGod ._. (talk) 04:10, 28 April 2024 (UTC)Reply

At least 1 reported in Holdenville so far: [1] --Kuzwa (talk) 11:30, 28 April 2024 (UTC)Reply

One more, also another confirmed death in Sulphur. MemeGod ._. (talk) 13:57, 28 April 2024 (UTC)Reply

While I'm sure this outbreak has some violent (EF4+) tornadoes in this outbreak, it appears there's no tornado currently with even an official preliminary rating of EF2+. Maybe change the rating in the infobox to EF2+ until the NWS actually gives a higher rating. Halls4521 (talk) 18:01, 28 April 2024 (UTC)Reply

I'm pretty sure that the tornado in Elkhorn, NE, had a preliminary rating of EF3. EPhC4 (talk) 18:37, 28 April 2024 (UTC)Reply

However, the article currently doesn't have any available references to any preliminary EF3 rating, much less one that's higher ( at least the ones shown in the confirmed tornadoes table). Until an official (NWS/SPC) one is found, hopefully soon, I think it be best the Infobox display the highest rating we're currently able to confirm (EF2+).--Halls4521 (talk) 18:51, 28 April 2024 (UTC)Reply

NWS Omaha said that they found evidence consistent of EF3+ strength in some areas but never said where. So no individual tornado has been rated EF3 but it appears as though EF3 damage was found. That's probably why the max rating in the infobox is EF3+ JimmyTheMarble (talk) 18:56, 28 April 2024 (UTC)Reply

Okay then, I'll leave it as is. Thanks.--Halls4521 (talk) 19:00, 28 April 2024 (UTC)Reply

Per the following news article they assigned that preliminary EF3 to the Elkhorn tonado. Fatalities have also increased to 4. [2] --Kuzwa (talk) 19:02, 28 April 2024 (UTC)Reply

I think we need more images from tornado damage. Doe anyone know any images that have no copyright? Floriangkmcc (talk) 18:38, 28 April 2024 (UTC)Reply

As of right now, there aren't many copyright-free damage images. I'd wait a few days until the NWS posts the results to the surveys, which usually includes damage images. MemeGod ._. (talk) 18:53, 28 April 2024 (UTC)Reply

I do have an image of the Sulphur, Oklahoma tornado, but I have no idea where I'd put it. MemeGod ._. (talk) 18:55, 28 April 2024 (UTC)Reply

I know I'm late to this talk, but I have a myriad of images I took in and around Marietta including the image I added to the weather info box for the Marietta tornado. If you want more, I will provide . JasRazz (talk) 02:42, 2 May 2024 (UTC)Reply

The vandalism in this article is crazy. We need to semi-protect this article ASAP. D.P.K (talk) 22:13, 28 April 2024 (UTC)Reply

@TheEasternEditer: If the vandalism resumes, please make a report to WP:RfPP for temporary semi-protection, or I will do so if I notice further vandalism. ChrisWx 🌀 (talk - contribs) 22:16, 28 April 2024 (UTC)Reply

I'd prefer if you handle the report. D.P.K (talk) 22:17, 28 April 2024 (UTC)Reply

Will do, if I notice vandalism on the page again. ChrisWx 🌀 (talk - contribs) 22:20, 28 April 2024 (UTC)Reply

Shouldn’t the flooding be added to the event since the wpc did issue a large risk for flooding and that the flooding was pretty bad for Oklahoma Colin777724 (talk) 22:54, 28 April 2024 (UTC)Reply

That's a good idea. ChessEric 01:20, 29 April 2024 (UTC)Reply

Our list contains no tornado identified as Elkton or Lincoln nor mentions any tornado destroying a single home. Not in line with the images on the news reports. Rmhermen (talk) 23:26, 28 April 2024 (UTC)Reply

@Rmhermen: There are tornadoes listed for Elkhorn and Lincoln, NE (under "SE of Yutan, NE to Elkhorn, NE to Modale, IA" and "Northern Lincoln to Waverly to SW of Ashland" respectively) and we do list some homes being destroyed in some entries, such as the Minden, IA tornado. The reason why some information is missing because the event happened recently, and the information simply hasn't come out yet. ChrisWx 🌀 (talk - contribs) 00:16, 29 April 2024 (UTC)Reply

Also, I fixed the header to be 2 "==" on each side, if there is an issue with that, please let me know. Thank you, ChrisWx 🌀 (talk - contribs) 00:18, 29 April 2024 (UTC)Reply

I accidentally duplicated everything because the page looked empty. I tried to re add all the topics but it ended up duplicating everything, and I can’t undo it, can someone fix this. EPhC4 (talk) 00:23, 29 April 2024 (UTC)Reply

  Done here. ChrisWx 🌀 (talk - contribs) 00:27, 29 April 2024 (UTC)Reply

Thank you. EPhC4 (talk) 00:37, 29 April 2024 (UTC)Reply

You're welcome. ChrisWx 🌀 (talk - contribs) 01:50, 29 April 2024 (UTC)Reply

So a tag has been placed on some text indicating possible OR/synthesis in this article, and I've added an additional cn tag. Some statements pertaining to PDS tornado warnings also lack citations. I have work to do tonight but I figured I'd pop in. TornadoLGS (talk) 00:28, 29 April 2024 (UTC)Reply

https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:2024_Elkhorn_Tornado_on_Velocity.jpg I have a picture of the velocity scan of the Elkhorn, Ne tornado if anyone wants to use it in the article. Gavintheweather (talk) 15:41, 29 April 2024 (UTC)Reply

How are you all counting only 56 tornadoes with this event? The SPC storm reports lists 178 unfiltered and 145 filtered tornadoes over the 4-day period. -Rolypolyman (talk) 19:40, 29 April 2024 (UTC)Reply

Some tornadoes were reported may times 2600:1014:B138:C8E6:0:6:4FAE:3701 (talk) 19:45, 29 April 2024 (UTC)Reply

Many tornadoes have been unconfirmed/reported multiple times, the count can definitely go up as info is sorted. MemeGod ._. (talk) 19:46, 29 April 2024 (UTC)Reply

I think this is more of a tornado outbreak than tornado outbreak sequence 2600:1014:B138:C8E6:0:6:4FAE:3701 (talk) 19:46, 29 April 2024 (UTC)Reply

This is a tornado outbreak sequence, as violent tornadoes were reported on April 26, 27 and 28. MemeGod ._. (talk) 19:47, 29 April 2024 (UTC)Reply

Only one violent tornado occurred, plus a tornado outbreak sequence has to be 5 days or longer 2600:1014:B138:C8E6:0:6:4FAE:3701 (talk) 19:49, 29 April 2024 (UTC)Reply

1. Doesn't have to have a minimum amount of days (a few days suffices)
2. Sorry, not violent, EF2+. There have been 3+ days of EF2+ tornadoes.

MemeGod ._. (talk) 19:51, 29 April 2024 (UTC)Reply

Possibly may continue until the 31 if a tornado occurs today 2600:1014:B138:C8E6:0:6:4FAE:3701 (talk) 19:55, 29 April 2024 (UTC)Reply

You predicted the future MemeGod ._. (talk) 12:18, 1 May 2024 (UTC)Reply

This was caused by two separate systems in close proximity, so this suffices as a sequence. See above discussions. MarioProtIV (^talk/_contribs) 19:55, 29 April 2024 (UTC)Reply

Why is it listed as an EF?. It is shown as an EF2 on the DAT. 2600:1014:B138:C8E6:0:6:4FAE:3701 (talk) 19:58, 29 April 2024 (UTC)Reply

The DAT only list its as an EF3, not EF3+ 2600:1014:B138:C8E6:0:6:4FAE:3701 (talk) 20:10, 29 April 2024 (UTC)Reply

As of a few minutes ago, the Holdenville tornado is no longer listed as EF3+ here. TornadoLGS (talk) 20:12, 29 April 2024 (UTC)Reply

I’ve got a few obsolete talk page entries on here to be archived. 2601:5C5:4201:68B0:1C33:5BDD:23B8:FA6D (talk) 05:06, 30 April 2024 (UTC)Reply

I don't think archiving discussions that aren't even a week old is a critical priority. Master of Time (talk) 16:04, 2 May 2024 (UTC)Reply

When more information comes out, I think an article should be made for the tornado. Yshehru72727 (talk) 12:28, 30 April 2024 (UTC)Reply

Already working on it, as of right now the community has come to a concensus that it should stay a draft until WP:NEVENT is satisfied and that this tornado has proved notable. See Draft:2024 Sulphur tornado. MemeGod ._. (talk) 13:18, 30 April 2024 (UTC)Reply

since there were tornados on the 29th would it be beneficial to add the 29th? and possibly the 30th and 1st depending on what happens? 50.201.134.50 (talk) 14:03, 30 April 2024 (UTC)Reply

They did issue a Tornado Watch for parts of Iowa and Nebraska for today. 2601:5C5:4201:68B0:B17C:1145:B767:8AC6 (talk) 18:46, 30 April 2024 (UTC)Reply

No tornadoes happened on the 29 Yshehru72727 (talk) 20:38, 30 April 2024 (UTC)Reply

Exactly 2601:5C5:4201:68B0:B17C:1145:B767:8AC6 (talk) 21:43, 30 April 2024 (UTC)Reply

One has been reported near Grantsville, KS on the 29th, and we had another wave of strong tornadoes and a fatality on the 30th. We should at least consider expanding the article. Thoughts?

TornadoInformation12

TornadoInformation12 (talk) 04:55, 1 May 2024 (UTC)Reply

I think we should Yshehru72727 (talk) 12:14, 1 May 2024 (UTC)Reply

Isn't what happened last night a separate outbreak? I may be wrong, but it was formed by a different trough and line effectively making it a completely different storm. MemeGod ._. (talk) 12:15, 1 May 2024 (UTC)Reply

An outbreak sequence can have multiple troughs Yshehru72727 (talk) 12:16, 1 May 2024 (UTC)Reply

These days should be included in the article and title. A tornado touched down in Northeast Kansas on April 29. An outbreak of at least 13 tornadoes happened on April 30. A few of the tornadoes on the 30th were intense to violent. Also, at least 1 person was killed on April 30. Yshehru72727 (talk) 12:42, 1 May 2024 (UTC)Reply

Yeah but NO severe storms happened on the 29th. That broke the streak. 2601:5C5:4380:FD80:C5F8:EAF6:E74F:F1B0 (talk) 15:35, 2 May 2024 (UTC)Reply

This discussion explicitly mentions a rad loop in this article, but figured I'd mention it here too. Just because a radar loop some random Twitter person made uses NEXRAD data doesn't make it public domain. See the broader discussion here: Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Severe weather#Description of random radar images and loops as "public domain". Master of Time (talk) 00:40, 3 May 2024 (UTC)Reply