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*{{cite book | last=Ahrens | first=Jörn | year=2009 | chapter=How to Save the Unsaved World? Transforming the Self in ''The Matrix'', ''The Terminator'', and ''12 Monkeys'' | editor1-last=Hart | editor1-first=Kylo-Patrick R. | editor2-last=Holba | editor2-first=Annette M. | title=Media and the Apocalypse | publisher=Peter Lang Publishing | pages=53–66 | isbn=1433104199 }}
*{{cite book | last=Booker | first=M. Keith | year=2006 | chapter=''The Matrix'' | title=Alternate Americas: Science Fiction Film and American Culture | publisher=Praeger | pages=247–264 | isbn=0275983951 }}
*{{cite book|last=Clover|first=Joshua|year=2004|series=BFI Modern Classics|title=The Matrix|publisher=[[British Film Institute|BFI Publishing]]|location=London|isbn=1844570452}}
*{{cite book | last=Conard | first=Mark T. | year=2007 | chapter=''The Matrix'', the Cave, and the Cogito | editor-last=Sanders | editor-first=Steven M | title=The Philosophy of Science Fiction Film | series=The Philosophy of Popular Culture | pages=207–222 | isbn=0813124727 }}
*{{cite book | last=Desilet | first=Gregory | year=2005 | chapter=Apocalyptic Melodrama: ''The Terminator'' and ''The Matrix'' | title=Our Faith in Evil: Melodrama and the Effects of Entertainment Violence | publisher=McFarland | pages=276–287 | isbn=078642348X }}
*{{cite book | editor1-last=Diocaretz | editor1-first=Myriam | editor2-last=Herbrechter | editor2-first=Stefan | year=2006 | title=The Matrix in Theory | series=Critical Studies | publisher=Editions Rodopi BV | isbn=9042016396 }}
*{{cite book | last=Litch | first=Mary M | year=2002 | chapter=Skepticism – Films: ''Total Recall'' and ''The Matrix'' | title=Philosophy Through Film | publisher=Routledge | pages=7–36 | isbn=0415938759 }}
*{{cite book | last=Matrix | first=Sidney Eve | year=2006 | chapter=Technomasculinity and GenderBLUR in ''The Matrix'' | title=Cyberpop: Digital Lifestyles and Commodity Culture | series=Routledge Studies in New Media and Cyberculture | publisher=Routledge | pages=61–84 | isbn=0415976774 }}
*{{cite book | last=Wartenberg | first=Thomas E. | year=2007 | chapter=A skeptical thought experiment: ''The Matrix'' | title=Thinking on Screen: Film as Philosophy | publisher=Routledge | pages=55–75 | isbn=0415774314 }}
 
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*Arts of Darkness: American Noir and the Quest for Redemption ISBN-10: 1890626716. Some details about the book http://www.thomashibbs.org/4966/arts-of-darkness . The link is not the book, but it cited the book. We can probably say that The Matrix is noir, following the statement in the link, and citing the book.
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*"The Matrix as a Neo Noir - An Analysis of The Matrix with Special Focus on Style and Motifs of Film Noir" by Monique Bre. http://books.google.co.th/books?id=fsM23SWAzlsC&pg=PA14&lpg=PA14&dq=the+matrix+production+dark+noir&source=bl&ots=GJ7NGduowD&sig=c3ZjFHmd_bWtD9tcY7inFLkrF5o&hl=en&sa=X&ei=g7zWUPPkI8LXrQfT6IHQAg&redir_esc=y#v=onepage&q=the%20matrix%20production%20dark%20noir&f=false Covers a significant amount on Production Design section.
 
Online references.
* http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/entertainment/3028249.stm Mentions The Matrix's influences on A LOT of movies, including Shrek (parody), Charlie's Angels (imitating BT), Equilibrium (similar costume design imitating its darker tone), Crouching Tiger, Hidden Dragon (wire fu and choreography opening doors to Asian action films), Max Payne (BT effect) Formatted ref: <ref name="Influence BBC">{{cite web | url=http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/entertainment/3028249.stm | title=Under The Matrix influence | publisher=BBC | date=May 21, 2003 | accessdate=December 22, 2012 | author=Dowling, Stephen}}</ref> <ref name="Influence BBC" />
 
* http://www.screened.com/news/under-the-influence-the-matrix/2218/ Mentions 3 million sales, mentions some effect of Bound into getting The Wachowskis direct it (a part of three film deals), noted how memorable the fight sequences was, the differences between wire fu and eastern stunts, and how The Matrix's wire fu caused some shift to the Asian approach. Mentions the influence of Ghost in a Shell, The Invisibles, and Doctor Who, Plato's Allegory of the Cave (and also clarify how this works as 'nothing is real' in the film), linking the Neo's virgin birth, and how 'Anderson' can be interpreted as Christ, Judas/Cypher and Morpheus/John the Baptist metaphors and Neo's Christ-like death, and how the success of Star Wars, The Matrix, The Lord of the Rings influence Hollywood into making trilogies. Formatted ref: <ref name="Influence Screened" >{{cite web|first=Andrew |last=Godoski |title=Under The Influence: The Matrix |url=http://www.screened.com/news/under-the-influence-the-matrix/2218/ |publisher=Screened.com | work= | date= |accessdate=December 22, 2012 |archiveurl=http://www.webcitation.org/6D6SFzHy6 |archivedate=December 22, 2012 |deadurl=no}}</ref> <ref name="Influence Screened" />
 
* http://www.ew.com/ew/article/0,,20478022,00.html EW calling it the most influential action movie of the generation (not directly in this article), mentioned how it affect Charlie's Angels (2000), Night Watch (2004), Wanted, Inception (2010), Scott Pilgrim vs. the World (2010), TRON: Legacy (2010) (noting how the original TRON paved the way for The Matrix, which inspired Disney to make its own Matrix with a TRON sequel.) Formatted ref: <ref name="Influence EW">{{cite web | url=http://www.ew.com/ew/article/0,,20478022,00.html | title='The Matrix': A Groundbreaking Cyberthriller | publisher=Entertainment Weekly | date=Apr 01, 2011 | accessdate=December 22, 2012 | author=Vary, Adam}}</ref> <ref name="Influence EW" />
 
* http://www.ew.com/ew/article/0,,450805,00.html The actual article of EW calling The Matrix "the most influential action movie of the generation." Also a brief mention of how the films were shot back to back. <ref name="Influence EW2">{{cite web | url=http://www.ew.com/ew/article/0,,450805,00.html | title=The Neo Wave | publisher=Entertainment Weekly | date=May 12, 2003 | accessdate=December 22, 2012 | author=Fierman, Daniel}}</ref> <ref name="Influence EW2"/>
 
* http://www.guardian.co.uk/film/2009/oct/19/hollywood-ghost-in-the-shell Not directly about The Matrix, but described how Hollywood is affected by Ghost in the Shell.
 
* http://www.cinemablend.com/reviews/Night-Watch-1141.html Reliable, subjected to editorials by authors and film journalists. Notes how Night Watch follows The Matrix dark costume design.
 
* http://www.powerhousemuseum.com/collection/database/?irn=422513 Reliable, as it came from Austrilia's respected museum. Contains significant info about shooting in Sydney. And you won't believe this: it already has Wiki citation mark-up waiting for us. LOL There are parts written by them, and there are a part taken from us. Careful not to cite the part taken from us to prevent circular sourcing.
 
* http://travel.cnn.com/sydney/visit/five-famous-film-sites-sydney-053166 Confirms the location of helicopter scene.
 
* http://www.pajiba.com/seriously_random_lists/mindhole-blowers-20-facts-about-the-matrix-that-might-make-you-say-whoa.php
 
* http://www.movie-locations.com/movies/m/Matrix.html#.UcpWADs3CSo
 
* {{cite book |last=Faller |first=Stephen |year=2004 |title=Beyond The Matrix: Revolutions and Revelations |url=http://books.google.ca/books?id=qOfhfi0ka0sC&lpg=PP1&dq=The%20Matrix&pg=PP1#v=onepage&q&f=true |publisher=Chalice Press |isbn=0-8272-0235-0}}
 
* {{cite book |last=Herbrechter |first=Stefan |year=2006 |title=The Matrix in Theory |url=http://books.google.ca/books?id=f7GcmwUl7lgC&lpg=PP1&dq=The%20Matrix&pg=PP1#v=onepage&q&f=true |publisher=Rodopi |isbn=90-420-1639-6}}
 
* {{cite book |last=Irwin |first=William |year=2005 |title=The Matrix and Philosophy: Welcome to the Desert of the Real |url=http://books.google.ca/books?id=GSE5qlwGzCAC&lpg=PP1&dq=The%20Matrix&pg=PP1#v=onepage&q&f=true |publisher=Open Court |isbn=0-8126-9501-1}}
 
* {{cite book |last=Kapel |first=Matthew |last2=Doty |first2=William G. |title=Jacking in to the Matrix Franchise: Cultural Reception and Interpretation |year=2006 |url=http://books.google.ca/books?id=a0AmxKeakMoC&lpg=PR1&dq=The%20Matrix&pg=PR1#v=onepage&q&f=true |publisher=Continuum |isbn=0-8264-1909-7}}
 
* {{cite web |last=Bisset |first=Jennifer |url=https://www.cnet.com/news/lego-ninjago-movie-simon-whiteley-matrix-code-creator/ |title=Creator of The Matrix code reveals its mysterious origins |date=October 19, 2017 |website=CNET.com |publisher=CNET |accessdate=October 25, 2017 |quote=Simon Whiteley, creator of The Matrix code, attributes the design to his wife, who's from Japan. [...] He scanned the characters from his wife's Japanese cookbooks. "Without that code, there is no Matrix."}}
 
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== CastOifela list layoutYoussef ==
 
Is there a particular reason for the bullet-linebreak formatting of {{article section|Cast}}? The content seems a better fit for a [[MOS:DLIST|description list]]. Figured I’d check before changing it. —[[Special:Contributions/151.132.206.250|151.132.206.250]] ([[User talk:151.132.206.250|talk]]) 22:59, 1 July 2020 (UTC)
 
For example:
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* [[Joe Pantoliano]] as Cypher: <br />Another human freed by Morpheus, but one who regrets taking the red pill and seeks to be returned to the Matrix, ultimately betraying the rebels to Agent Smith. Pantoliano had worked with the Wachowskis prior to appearing in ''The Matrix'', starring in their 1996 film ''[[Bound (1996 film)|Bound]]''.
* [[Marcus Chong]] as Tank: <br />A "natural" human born outside of the Matrix. He is Dozer's sibling and the "operator" of the ''Nebuchadnezzar''.
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; [[Joe Pantoliano]] as Cypher: Another human freed by Morpheus, but one who regrets taking the red pill and seeks to be returned to the Matrix, ultimately betraying the rebels to Agent Smith. Pantoliano had worked with the Wachowskis prior to appearing in ''The Matrix'', starring in their 1996 film ''[[Bound (1996 film)|Bound]]''.
; [[Marcus Chong]] as Tank: A "natural" human born outside of the Matrix. He is Dozer's sibling and the "operator" of the ''Nebuchadnezzar''.
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—[[Special:Contributions/151.132.206.250|151.132.206.250]] ([[User talk:151.132.206.250|talk]]) 23:34, 1 July 2020 (UTC)▼
:We cannot use boldface for emphasis in article text, per [[MOS:NOBOLD]]. I have not really worked on articles that have these line breaks, but my understanding is that it makes it easier to see an actor and their role. If there was no line break, it is a little harder to eyeball the names. [[User:Erik|Erik]]&nbsp;([[User talk:Erik|talk]]&nbsp;&#124;&nbsp;[[Special:Contributions/Erik|contrib]]) <sup>([[Template:Reply to|ping me]])</sup> 23:52, 1 July 2020 (UTC)
::{{re|Erik}} Apologies for the late reply. There was no boldface used for emphasis here. This is a [[MOS:DLIST|description list]], which is rendered with boldface under Wikipedia’s default CSS (users can customize it) and is explicitly encouraged over other styles for at least [[WP:GLOSSARIES]]. I have also seen them used in several other lists of characters and the like, and it seems a syntactically better fit here. —[[Special:Contributions/151.132.206.250|151.132.206.250]] ([[User talk:151.132.206.250|talk]]) 18:37, 16 September 2020 (UTC)
:::<small>(same user as above)</small> I have [[WP:BOLD]]ly reformatted the list as previously suggested, as I believe it to be stylistically superior to odd-looking multiline bullet points and no other alternative has been suggested. I have no interest in edit-warring over it, but if anyone does wish to revert, I urge you to also discuss the matter. {{pb}} To add to my rationale above: This sort of list is exactly what the [[description list]] was designed for. If that’s not what we want, let’s restructure it, not use ugly hacks. —[[Special:Contributions/96.8.24.95|96.8.24.95]] ([[User talk:96.8.24.95|talk]]) 01:35, 17 September 2020 (UTC)
 
== Influences and Sources: What about Dean Koontz? ==
 
▲—Who is Youssef oufela [[Special:Contributions/151105.13267.206128.250223|151105.13267.206128.250223]] ([[User talk:151105.13267.206128.250223|talk]]) 2322:3457, 112 JulyAugust 20202022 (UTC)
I find it strange that in neither the article nor the talk page is there any mention of Dean Koontz' 1973 short story "Wake Up To Thunder", which contains the entire premise of the film except those elements which inspire the characters to run around shooting at each other. The look and feel of the film certainly is the Wachowski's own, but the article contains plenty of talk about philosophical influences from Descartes to Hilary Putnam without any mention of Koontz' story, which is basically the movie without its makeup on. I read it in 1978 in "children of infinity: original science fiction stories for young readers" (note the groovy '70s lack of capitalization), which according to the Wikipedia Koontz bibliography was first published in 1973. To judge by the book's price on Amazon ($30+ for "Good" and Very Good" copies), it's still pretty sought-after, which implies people are familiar with it. [[User:Scutigera|Scutigera]] ([[User talk:Scutigera|talk]]) 02:57, 25 November 2020 (UTC)
:I don't see anything about them in the context of The Matrix. —'''[[User:C.Fred|C.Fred]]''' ([[User_talk:C.Fred|talk]]) 23:03, 12 August 2022 (UTC)
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