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If wikipedia wants to look foolish in the eyes of history, keeping this page the way it is will do the trick. <!-- Template:Unsigned IP --><small class="autosigned">— Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[Special:Contributions/143.215.113.195|143.215.113.195]] ([[User talk:143.215.113.195#top|talk]]) 07:02, 9 July 2017 (UTC)</small> <!--Autosigned by SineBot-->
== Is ''Vox'' Culture a respected mainstream RS for nonopinion? ==
Is the ''Vox'' [https://www.vox.com/culture/ Culture section] a respected ''[[Wikipedia:Verifiability#What counts as a reliable source|mainstream]]'' RS for (A) movie reviews and such or (B) nonopinion?
Recent articles:
* ''Orphan Black got too complicated for its own good. Its final season is on track to fix that.''
* ''Can we be religious without God? Alain de Botton on ‘atheism 2.0’.''
* ''Star Trek: Discovery is the first Trek TV series in over 15 years. Here’s what to know.'' by Aja Romano July 9
* ''9 Questions with Eddie Glaude Jr.''
* ''The 2015 comedy Don Verdean has a warning for those who would smuggle Biblical artifacts''
* ...
* ''Spider-Man: Homecoming’s 2 end-credits scenes, explained''
* ''The 18 best TV shows airing right now''
* ''Happy birthday, Memerica: the week in internet culture'' by Aja Romano July 7
* ''‘I’m with the banned’: Spotify’s newest project slams Trump’s travel ban''
* ''A brief history of public nudity and shame politics in the Kardashian universe''
And so forth. --[[User:Dervorguilla|Dervorguilla]] ([[User talk:Dervorguilla|talk]]) 20:46, 9 July 2017 (UTC)
* '''A''' (maybe). Compare Aja Romano, "[https://www.vox.com/culture/2017/7/7/15934250/july-fourth-meme-rob-kardashian-revenge-porn-hobby-lobby Happy Birthday, Memerica: The Week in Internet Culture]", ''Vox'', July 7, 2017 ("The week’s reigning internet furor centered on ... Trump tweeting a ... GIF that '''[https://www.vox.com/culture/2017/7/3/15913966/trump-cnn-wrestling-tweet-the-donald-origins originated from a ... troll]''' on Reddit..."),<br />with "[http://learnersdictionary.com/definition/troll Troll: Definition for English-Language Learners]", ''Merriam-Webster’s Learner’s Dictionary'' ("Learner’s definition of TROLL. ''2''. A person who tries to cause problems on an Internet message board..."). --[[User:Dervorguilla|Dervorguilla]] ([[User talk:Dervorguilla|talk]]) 21:23, 9 July 2017 (UTC)
== Is ''BBC News'' a respected mainstream RS? ''Huffington Post''? ==
{{tq|'''Trust Levels of News Sources by Ideological Group'''}} (total){{tq|
: BBC
: NPR
: PBS
: The Wall Street Journal
: ABC News
: CBS News
: NBC News
: CNN
: USA TODAY
: Google News
: The New York Times
: The Washington Post
: MSNBC
: The Guardian
: Bloomberg
: The New Yorker
: Yahoo News
: Fox News
: The Huffington Post
: [''5 other sources'']
: The Rush Limbaugh Show
Outlets are ... ranked by the proportion of those who trust more than distrust each.}}
"[http://www.journalism.org/2014/10/21/political-polarization-media-habits/pj_14-10-21_mediapolarization-01/ Trust Levels of News Sources by Ideological Group]", ''[[Pew Research Center]]'', October 2014.
Is ''BBC News'' a respected mainstream RS? Is ''Huffington Post''? --[[User:Dervorguilla|Dervorguilla]] ([[User talk:Dervorguilla|talk]]) 22:11, 9 July 2017 (UTC)
*Just '''''BBC News''''', which comes in 1st of 25. ''HuffPo'' trails at 19th. --[[User:Dervorguilla|Dervorguilla]] ([[User talk:Dervorguilla|talk]]) 00:00, 10 July 2017 (UTC)
== Some comparable lead sentences ==
'''=== {{tq|[[Reddit#Subreddits|Subreddits]]}} ==='''{{tq|
* /r/science, a forum for discussing science
* /r/changemyview, a space for conversation among people with opposing viewpoints
* /r/The_Donald, a community supporting the politics of [[Donald Trump]]}}
'''== {{tq|/r/science}} =='''
{{tq|'''/r/science''' is an [[Internet forum]] on [[Reddit]] where the community of participants discuss science topics. A popular feature of the forum is "[[Ask me Anything]]" (AMA) public discussions.}}
'''== {{tq|/r/changemyview}} =='''
{{tq|'''/r/changemyview''' is an [[Internet forum]] on [[Reddit]] where the community of participants discuss controversial topics for the purpose of understanding opposing viewpoints. The forum was established by Kal Turnbull in 2013.}}
'''== {{tq|/r/The_Donald}} =='''
{{tq|'''/r/The_Donald''' is an [[alt-right]] [[Internet forum]] on [[Reddit]] where the participants create discussions and [[Internet meme|memes]] supporting [[Donald Trump]]...}}
Compare the three lead sentences with each other and with the '''[[Wikipedia:Manual of Style/Lead section#First sentence|WP:BEGIN]]''' standard on first sentences.<blockquote><poem>{{tq|The first sentence should tell the nonspecialist reader what the subject is.
* If it is definable, the sentence should give a concise definition that puts the article in context for the nonspecialist. "In [[cryptography]], a '''trusted third party''' is an entity that facilitates interactions..."
* Try to not overload the sentence by describing everything notable about the subject. Instead, use it to introduce the topic.}}</poem></blockquote>Which of the three articles fail MOS? --[[User:Dervorguilla|Dervorguilla]] ([[User talk:Dervorguilla|talk]]) 23:29, 9 July 2017 (UTC)
* Just '''/r/The_Donald'''. The adjective "''{{tq|alt-right}}''" modifies the true definition: the noun phrase "''{{tq|an Internet forum on Reddit where the participants create discussions and memes supporting Donald Trump...}}''". It does not determine the phrase's use to indicate something more ''definite''. It ''describes'' the subject, not defines it. --[[User:Dervorguilla|Dervorguilla]] ([[User talk:Dervorguilla|talk]]) 23:48, 9 July 2017 (UTC)
== ''alt-right'' reinstated without consensus ==
I've ''challenged by reversion'' edit [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=/r/The_Donald&diff=788963604&oldid=788938923 788938923], which adds an adjective ("{{tq|[[alt-right]]}}") describing the subject rather than indicating it (by making it more definite). See '''[[Wikipedia:Manual of Style/Lead section#First sentence|WP:BEGIN]]'''.
It doesn't look like we've got '''[[Wikipedia:Consensus|consensus]]''' to reinstate yet. So, [[Wikipedia:ARBAPDS|ARBAPDS]] would advise that we stop reinstating. --[[User:Dervorguilla|Dervorguilla]] ([[User talk:Dervorguilla|talk]]) 00:54, 10 July 2017 (UTC)
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