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:What I object to is copying and pasting Dennis Shanahan's personal opinion of the results of the surveillance into this article. It's only his opinion (as a right wing political writer - and not any kind of expert in diplomacy) and is not needed here. If it belongs anywhere it would be on an article about the Rudd Government's policies, and then clearly identified as Shanahan's POV. [[User:Nick Dowling|Nick Dowling]] ([[User talk:Nick Dowling|talk]]) 00:03, 28 June 2008 (UTC)
::You do not seem to understand the policy of this site. Even a statement from Cambridge professor in International diplomacy will not warrant an inclusion if his/her statement was not published in media or academia. On the other hand, inclusion of an opinion/ranting of a hillbillies is a valid edit if it is source from media or academia. You are free to add information that the statement is from Shanahan (whoever he is. Is he an Ann Coutler of OZ). If you can find a source which describe him as a conservative or right winger, then you can describe him as such. However please leave your dislike of Shanahan or right wing opinion out of it and please do not touch an edit which is sourced from a verified source. Only permissible partisan edit in wikipedia is for you to "add" opposing POV from verified source. [[User:Vapour|Vapour]] ([[User talk:Vapour|talk]]) 07:56, 28 June 2008 (UTC)
:::Shanahan is a domestic political correspondent with right-wing leanings. There is no need to include his POV from an opinion article (it is published on the opinion section of the Australian's website) as if it was a fact like you are doing and his views on the effectiveness of this operation probably aren't worth including given that he's not an expert in this matter and doesn't cite any sources (eg, interviews with Japanese people) himself. The current text violates [[WP:NPOV]] as it is from a biased source - I would also be objecting if you'd posted equivalent POV from a left-wing writer praising the operation. By the way, don't assume bad faith or that I don't undertand Wikipedia's policies: I'm an administrator and one of the assistant coordinators at the Military History Wikiproject, so I do have a fair degree of familiarity with the key policies. [[User:Nick Dowling|Nick Dowling]] ([[User talk:Nick Dowling|talk]]) 08:06, 28 June 2008 (UTC)
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