Talk:Israel–Hezbollah conflict (2023–present)

I'm a bit conflicted on whether "Islamic Azz Brigades" should be moved as a unit of Hezbollah. The group was completely unknown/likely never existed prior to the conflict and most scholars believe that it is a Hezbollah front organization (granting them some form of plausible deniability). It also doesn't appear to have been active for more than a few days, so it might make sense to remove them all together. RisingTzar (talk) 09:27, 30 August 2024 (UTC)Reply

"The massive shooting at the northern places at Israel leads to dramatic changes in the operating model of the hospitals from Haifa and the north. The Ministry of Health informed this morning (Sunday) that the Rambam Hospital is moving to work in the hospital's secured parking lot. The Carmel, Ziv, Galilee Medical Center in Nahariya, the Emek, Furia, the Italian and the English in Nazareth will also operate in protected areas. In Nahariya, we note , most of the hospital has been operating underground for almost a year."

https://www.ynet.co.il/health/article/s1bnquttr#autoplay 87.70.22.51 (talk) 07:11, 22 September 2024 (UTC)Reply

cows were killed. https://www.ynet.co.il/news/article/b1j3ozp6c#autoplay

"Alarms were set off throughout the Galilee, the Jezreel Valley and the Carmel in the shooting attack to the north. A fire broke out in the Tzur Moshe neighborhood in Kiryat Bialik and in the settlement of Morshet following a rocket strike. Hezbollah announced that it tried to hit the air force base in Ramat David and the Rafael facility." https://news.walla.co.il/item/3692919

Used new rokects https://www.ynet.co.il/news/article/s1cp7matr#autoplay 87.70.22.51 (talk) 07:21, 22 September 2024 (UTC)Reply

Theres nothing on the attack on the Haifa arms facility. Widely acknowledged as striking deep within. Sportsnut24 (talk) 08:34, 23 September 2024 (UTC)Reply

The article states that according to Hezbollah, there are more than 2,000 casualties on Israel's side using this source for the claim. This is of course false and is Hezbollah's propaganda. This claim should be deleted. HiyoriX (talk) 13:17, 23 September 2024 (UTC)Reply

This is why it says “Hezbollah claim” as it is the party claiming this casualty toll The Great Mule of Eupatoria (talk) 14:55, 23 September 2024 (UTC)Reply

The "Events" section is disorganized. It is split up into 3 sections, 2 only covering up to 13 October, and the rest of time is dedicated in subsections of the last "Events" subsection.

You could make only 3 sections partially based on the template at right, "Initial clashes", "Escalation of conflict" (after the ceasefire ends), and last section as "Major Israeli attacks begin", beginning with the pager explosions, and then make subsections for specific events. Also, link to the specific timeline pages for each period or event as necessary instead of just the overarching index one. </MarkiPoli> <talk /><cont /> 07:41, 26 September 2024 (UTC)Reply

I noticed that when doing a pass for WP:NPOV. It starts detailing the current attacks but then jumps back in time. I think a chronological order makes the most sense. I would probably split Background to cover only historic stuff (pre-8 October 2023), and then move everything else into new sections based on the phase of the conflict. You can't go too far wrong with following the chronology. Lewisguile (talk) 08:02, 26 September 2024 (UTC)Reply

@Vbbanaz05 Look, I get it. The 2,000+ casualties are likely not true. However, that doesn't really matter. That's why it says "Per Hezbollah". The point of including them is to be able to get across the claims that Hzb. makes. And, wheter the numbers are true or false, it is not wrong that Hezbollah has made them.

Therefore, they should be included. Genabab (talk) 19:12, 28 September 2024 (UTC)Reply

@Viewsridge Wdyt of the above argument that the 2,000+ figure should remain? Genabab (talk) 12:27, 29 September 2024 (UTC)Reply

What do I think about it? I think it's a nonsensical propaganda claim made by a terrorist organization without any evidence. Viewsridge (talk) 19:43, 29 September 2024 (UTC)Reply

@Viewsridge sure, that may be the case. However, wheter the claims are true or not doesn't change the fact that Hzb. ultimately still made them and it is important to show what Hezbollah's claims are Genabab (talk) 20:35, 29 September 2024 (UTC)Reply

Nope. That is not getting included. Viewsridge (talk) 21:15, 29 September 2024 (UTC)Reply

@ViewsridgeYou're being too closeminded I think. The wikiboks for the Israeli invasion of Gaza also includes estimates of IDF casualties by Hamas. so why not this?

Again, its likely not true. We're actually in agreement here. But there's no denying that Hzb made this claim and => it should be included for documentation. That is wikipedia's policy after all. Genabab (talk) 23:05, 29 September 2024 (UTC)Reply

Hamas announced this morning that the movement's leader in Lebanon, Fatah Sharif, was killed in an Israeli attack in the al-Bass refugee camp in the Tzur region. Abu al-Amin, who is also known as Fathi al-Sharif, also served as the chairman of UNRA teachers' organization in Lebanon. He was defined by Hamas as the leader of the movement in Lebanon, and as a member of the leadership abroad. https://www.ynet.co.il/news/article/rjstxhvr0#autoplay

In addition, The Palestinian Popular Front said that 3 of its leaders were killed in the attack https://news.walla.co.il/item/3694874 2.55.182.232 (talk) 06:25, 30 September 2024 (UTC)Reply

Proposal to remove the Asharq Al-Awsat reference following the sentence "An Israeli strike in Ain El Delb killed 45 people and injured at least 75 others", since the Asharq Al-Awsat article only gives a death count of 24 and does not support the larger (possibly more recent) numbers.

Incidentally, the Asharq Al-Awsat article does say 21 people were killed in a separate attack on a different area (Baalbek Hermel), and the sum of those numbers is 45— maybe the Al Jazeera source combined the numbers together, but it might just be a coincidence. Placeholderer (talk) 18:59, 30 September 2024 (UTC)Reply

In the September section Placeholderer (talk) 19:00, 30 September 2024 (UTC)Reply

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• What I think should be changed

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  Israel continues to occupy Lebanese territories, and has repeatedly breached Lebanese airspace, waters, and borders.

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  Israel has repeatedly breached Lebanese airspace, water, and borders.

• Why it should be changed: The article matter-of-factly states, "Israel continues to occupy Lebanese territories". This is not the view of the United Nations. Per Wikipedia's own article on Shebaa Farms, on 20 January 2005, the UN Secretary-General's report on Lebanon stated "The continually asserted position of the Government of Lebanon that the Blue Line is not valid in the Shab'a farms area is not compatible with Security Council resolutions. The Council has recognized the Blue Line as valid for purposes of confirming Israel’s withdrawal pursuant to resolution 425 (1978)."

The United Nations does not recognize the assertion that Israel occupies Lebanese territory. Therefore, the assertion should not be made in the article without at least mentioning that this is not the legal consensus, but rather a minority view of only Lebanon and the Arab League.

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Chupster811 (talk) 20:52, 30 September 2024 (UTC)Reply

Before an official move is made what’s everyone’s thoughts on this? John Bois (talk) 21:26, 30 September 2024 (UTC)Reply