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== Old comments ==
The 1827 death date cannot be correct for her fater as it is after the ilness date. Can someone get the right date?
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I thought the stub classification unjust, and on studying the classes thought this appropriate. Now to see what others think... [[User:J S Ayer|J S Ayer]] 14:16, 27 July 2007 (UTC)
*I reviewed the article and while I think that it is a good start I just didn't think that it met the criterion for a good article. I would agree with you that the article is certainly not a stub, I don't think it is a good article either. To make it a good article I would suggest adding more citation throughout the article (many lines with declarative statements go unsourced) and I would add some more information in the middle of the article. You talk about how the she becomebecame the lighthouse keeper but then you jump to her national acclaim. I would like some more explanation about how exactly that occurred. I hope this is helpful. [[User:Timhud|Timhud]] 17:13, 28 July 2007 (UTC)
 
The links are all broken or out of date. <span style="font-size: smaller;" class="autosigned">—Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[Special:Contributions/146.96.23.14|146.96.23.14]] ([[User talk:146.96.23.14|talk]]) 21:11, 29 January 2010 (UTC)</span><!-- Template:UnsignedIP --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot-->
 
== Requested move 25 February 2017 ==
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The result of the move request was: '''page moved'''. [[User:Andrewa|Andrewa]] ([[User talk:Andrewa|talk]]) 12:16, 4 March 2017 (UTC)
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[[:Ida Lewis (lighthouse keeper)]] → {{no redirect|Ida Lewis}} – Remove unnecessary disambiguation. [[Ida Lewis]] is currently a redirect to [[Julia Arthur]], an actress born under the name of Ida Lewis. Being the birth name of the actress is not sufficient reason to keep this article at this current disambiguation title. After the move, I would place the following hatnote on this article, to wit: '''<nowiki>{{About|the lighthouse keeper|the actress born Ida Lewis|Julia Arthur}}</nowiki>'''. The hatnote on [[Julia Arthur]] would also need a slight tweak following the move. [[User:Safiel|Safiel]] ([[User talk:Safiel|talk]]) 06:23, 25 February 2017 (UTC)
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*'''Support''' Seems completely sensible to me. Good suggestion. --[[User:Jhertel|Jhertel]] ([[User talk:Jhertel|talk]]) 15:44, 25 February 2017 (UTC)
*'''Support''' per above. [[User:Kiwifist|Kiwifist]] ([[User talk:Kiwifist|talk]]) 16:38, 25 February 2017 (UTC)
*'''Support''' Even Google infobox thinks this Ida is the more famous under the name. [[Special:Contributions/2601:643:8102:EA80:FD31:EAF1:55D4:7B53|2601:643:8102:EA80:FD31:EAF1:55D4:7B53]] ([[User talk:2601:643:8102:EA80:FD31:EAF1:55D4:7B53|talk]]) 19:28, 25 February 2017 (UTC)
*'''Support''' [[Julia Arthur]] is not primarily known as "Ida Lewis" despite it being her birth name. The proposed hatnote could send people to that article in the rare event they've gotten to the wrong place (or perhaps there should be a newly-created [[Ida Lewis (disambiguation)]], given the existence of [[Ida Lewis Guillory]] and [[Ida Lewis Rock Light]], but that's a different discussion). [[User:TJRC|TJRC]] ([[User talk:TJRC|talk]]) 02:06, 26 February 2017 (UTC)
*'''Support''' Absolutely. We don't have a convention of listing the majority of biographical articles under titles which include the person's occupation. No reason why this one should be any different.[[User:Cadar|Cadar]] ([[User talk:Cadar|talk]]) 10:56, 26 February 2017 (UTC)
*'''Support''' as creator, way back when (my God, this is a blast from the past): I was new when I created it, and didn't want to disrespect a redirect. I have no problem with the move. --[[User:Ser Amantio di Nicolao|<span style="font-family:Old English Text MT;">Ser Amantio di Nicolao</span>]]<sup>[[User_talk:Ser Amantio di Nicolao|''Che dicono a Signa?'']]</sup><sub>[[Special:Contributions/Ser Amantio di Nicolao|'''Lo dicono a Signa.''']]</sub> 20:18, 26 February 2017 (UTC)
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== Something is not right ==
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Also, the information from the [http://www.ilyc.org/Default.aspx?p=dynamicmodule&pageid=86&ssid=100092&vnf=1 Ida Lewis Yacht Club] says that the unofficial rescue count is 25, not 36, as does the [https://prologue.blogs.archives.gov/2015/03/24/ida-wilson-lewis-lighthouse-keeper-and-fearless-federal-worker/ National Archives]. [[User:TychaBrahe|TychaBrahe]] ([[User talk:TychaBrahe|talk]]) 16:05, 25 February 2017 (UTC)
:My guess is it was vandalized. But I'm too lazy to check. [[User:Kiwifist|Kiwifist]] ([[User talk:Kiwifist|talk]]) 21:32, 26 February 2017 (UTC)
 
Further, in regards to the Twitter comment, you've used the word 'commencing' instead of 'commemorating'. The coast guards didn't 'start' her birthday, they honoured it. <!-- Template:Unsigned IP --><small class="autosigned">—&nbsp;Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[Special:Contributions/70.79.58.184|70.79.58.184]] ([[User talk:70.79.58.184#top|talk]]) 17:54, 25 February 2017 (UTC)</small> <!--Autosigned by SineBot-->
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== Google doodle==
is the doodle really an encyclopedic fact worthy of report? <!-- Template:Unsigned IP --><small class="autosigned">—&nbsp;Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[Special:Contributions/2601:483:4100:9C0:8CE:F24A:A11F:6841|2601:483:4100:9C0:8CE:F24A:A11F:6841]] ([[User talk:2601:483:4100:9C0:8CE:F24A:A11F:6841#top|talk]]) 15:59, 25 February 2017 (UTC)</small> <!--Autosigned by SineBot-->
: I understand your point, but my answer leans to a yes, I find it worthy. Google has become a large part of (at least Western) world culture and is seen by more than a billion people per month, and probably hundreds of millions of people every day. And my guess is that today's mention increased the world's knowledge of Ida Lewis immensely (I wouldn't be surprised if, worldwide, a thousand times more people know her knownow than did before); I find that that makes the mention worthy of report. --[[User:Jhertel|Jhertel]] ([[User talk:Jhertel|talk]]) 16:41, 25 February 2017 (UTC)
: Well, considering that there already is an article for [[Google Doodle|Google Doodles]], I don't see how mentioning she's in one would hurt, or would not be considered "encyclopedic" enough of a fact. [[User:Skywalker Kush|Skywalker Kush]] ([[User talk:Skywalker Kush|talk]]) 17:08, 25 February 2017 (UTC)
:Google doodles frequently direct me to Wikipedia for more information. Without any partisanship toward the company, I find its effort at making currently hidden histories available to be worth noting since despite recognition during her lifetime I did not know about Ida Lewis; thanks to a doodle pointing to this article, now I do.[[User:Transportia|Transportia]] ([[User talk:Transportia|talk]]) 17:16, 25 February 2017 (UTC)
: I agree. If it wasn't for Google doodles I wouldn't know of all these wonderful women who serve as role models to me and many other women. Also, these doodles enlighten others in how equally powerful women can be. The message has clearly not gotten across to enough people yet and I thank Google for their educational mission.[[User:Joan|Joan]] ([[User talk:Joan|talk]]) 11:39, 25 February 2017 (UTC)
I personally recognize google doodles as a high praise, most definitely worthy of report. Thank you. [[User:Fordm992001|Fordm992001]] ([[User talk:Fordm992001|talk]]) 00:47, 26 February 2017 (UTC)
:I think so. There are few enough of them as to be worthy of note - especially for less-well-known figures such as Lewis. --[[User:Ser Amantio di Nicolao|<span style="font-family:Old English Text MT;">Ser Amantio di Nicolao</span>]]<sup>[[User_talk:Ser Amantio di Nicolao|''Che dicono a Signa?'']]</sup><sub>[[Special:Contributions/Ser Amantio di Nicolao|'''Lo dicono a Signa.''']]</sub> 20:20, 26 February 2017 (UTC)
 
== Semi-protected edit request on 26 February 2017 ==
 
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The picture of Ida Lewis rowing appears to be be Grace Darling by artist Thomas Brooks, not Ida Lewis. refer to www.gracedarling.co.uk [[User:Rmtait|Rmtait]] ([[User talk:Rmtait|talk]]) 23:37, 26 February 2017 (UTC)
 
:[[File:Red information icon with gradient background.svg|20px|link=|alt=]] '''Not done for now:'''<!-- Template:ESp --> - Interesting problem - the description of this image is that it is a woodcut taken from "Women of the century By Phebe Ann Hanaford 1876". It is very similar to the oil painting "Grace Darling: by Thomas Brooks" at [http://www.gracedarling.co.uk Grace Darling.co], but is even more similar to (but not identical to) the Ida Lewis picture at [http://www.rhodeislandlighthousehistory.info/lime_rock_lighthouse.html at rhodeislandlighthousehistory] which appears to be an engraving. The description of a similar engraving at Quahog.org [http://www.quahog.org/factsfolklore/index.php?id=176 here] describes it as an "Image from a circa 1869 carte de visite"<br />The woodcut includes a lighthouse, not included in either the painting or the engraving.<br />I think we probably have a case of Victorian plagiarism - but without more information on the dates of the originals, we do not know who copied who. Darling's famous rescue was in 1838, Lewis's in 1869 so the painting probably pre-dates the others, but variations of that image are used on several websites and publications about Lewis so it is "perceived" to be her. - [[User:Arjayay|Arjayay]] ([[User talk:Arjayay|talk]]) 11:38, 27 February 2017 (UTC)