Wikipedia talk:Arbitration/Requests
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Non-aspersions aspersion non-case :)
@ArbCom Clerks: Why is this still up after seven arbs declined it, the last 72 hours ago? Has something exciting happened?! ——Serial Number 54129 20:29, 22 July 2024 (UTC)
- Wikipedia is always exciting. -- Deepfriedokra (talk) 20:45, 22 July 2024 (UTC)
- I believe it should be shortly archived by a trainee clerk. Dreamy Jazz talk to me | my contributions 22:21, 22 July 2024 (UTC)
Word count
WP:Arbitration/Requests/Clarification_and_Amendment/preload-amendment says You can use http://www.wordcounter.net/ to check the length of your statement. Could someone clarify those instructions as to whether it applies to source code or preview text? This affects piped bluelinks. 142.113.140.146 (talk) 15:31, 25 July 2024 (UTC)
- Text shown on the page. Primefac (talk) 15:41, 25 July 2024 (UTC)
- Taking a turn - wonder if https://wordcount.toolforge.org/ is stable enough to use instead of sending people to that external site? — xaosflux Talk 16:02, 25 July 2024 (UTC)
- Probably. Clerks also will use User:L235/wordcount.js for quick checking of these things. Primefac (talk) 16:12, 25 July 2024 (UTC)
- @Xaosflux and Primefac: There being 3 different tools is concerning. What happens if one party is accused but claims another tool supports them? One tool should have priority. 142.113.140.146 (talk) 16:47, 25 July 2024 (UTC)
- I suppose "count the words on the screen" wins...., with all sorts of bickering of what a "word" is- but realistically, extensions are routinely approved if needed... — xaosflux Talk 16:52, 25 July 2024 (UTC)
- Btw, WP:ARC suggests yet distinct https://www.countofwords.com/ and User:GoldenRing/wordcount.js. GoldenRing's tool shows no buttons after pasting in DevTools, and L235's one only says "1 words" in Vector 2022. Human counting and bickering is even more vague, but at least we agree on displayed text only. Looking at precedent,
strikenand off-screen/non-shown {{cot}} also seem to be ignored and uncounted. - I suppose ArbCom is !declining to chose a specific tool, and mooting it because extensions. Rambling contributions are less effective anyway. 142.113.140.146 (talk) 17:28, 25 July 2024 (UTC)
- Word limits are also not intended to be interpreted overly strictly. No-one is going to get sanctioned for a statement that is ~5 words over the limit where the author has clearly tried to be as concise as possible, but one the same length that is very rambly could result in a formal note from the clerks. Thryduulf (talk) 00:16, 26 July 2024 (UTC)
- That said I've just checked the same text (SMcCandlish's preliminary statements in the Venezuela case, excluding links and signatures) in 15 different word counting tools (not including the .js options above that I don't have installed) and got 6 different word counts: 333 (wordcounttool.com), 337 (wordcounter.ai), 338 (the most common answer, including MS Office 365 on teams, LibreOffice and the linux command line wc tool), 342 (Google Docs and wordcounter.net), 343 (wordcounttools.com) and 361 (toolforge and countofwords.com). A 30-word difference is a lot more than I was expecting to be honest. Thryduulf (talk) 00:43, 26 July 2024 (UTC)
- Btw, WP:ARC suggests yet distinct https://www.countofwords.com/ and User:GoldenRing/wordcount.js. GoldenRing's tool shows no buttons after pasting in DevTools, and L235's one only says "1 words" in Vector 2022. Human counting and bickering is even more vague, but at least we agree on displayed text only. Looking at precedent,
- I suppose "count the words on the screen" wins...., with all sorts of bickering of what a "word" is- but realistically, extensions are routinely approved if needed... — xaosflux Talk 16:52, 25 July 2024 (UTC)
- @Xaosflux and Primefac: There being 3 different tools is concerning. What happens if one party is accused but claims another tool supports them? One tool should have priority. 142.113.140.146 (talk) 16:47, 25 July 2024 (UTC)
- Probably. Clerks also will use User:L235/wordcount.js for quick checking of these things. Primefac (talk) 16:12, 25 July 2024 (UTC)
- Taking a turn - wonder if https://wordcount.toolforge.org/ is stable enough to use instead of sending people to that external site? — xaosflux Talk 16:02, 25 July 2024 (UTC)