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2028 United States presidential election

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No difference from 2021 to now. Speculation about who might run is not enough to sustain an article. Several editors have violated policies about copy and pasting others' work in order to create this article. I propose that it not only be re-deleted as the redirect target is not appropriate, but administrator protected for at least three months. It may even be necessary to delete the draft and start from scratch. elijahpepe@wikipedia (he/him) 19:07, 7 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Comment: Due to some political scholars predicting (as sourced on the article for the 2024) the destruction of Democracy under Trump, could it be considered a violation of WP:CRYSTAL to assume there even will be a 2028 election at all? StrexcorpEmployee (talk) 19:17, 7 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Comment: The holding of an election is legally required, there is no legislative proposal or policy suggestion that mentions (for instance) not holding a presidential election in 2028 - let alone any state or federal election. It would be a greater violation of WP:CRYSTAL to remove this page because 'there is a possibility this event may not happen'. This suggestion is a somewhat akin to someone saying 'the Next United Kingdom general election page should be deleted because the UK may not exist by 2029 because Scotland and Wales may leave', which is far more likely but currently there is no indication of that happening, similarly to this idea. I can't make any assesment as to whether this page should exist, I just wanted to give my view on this line of reasoning in particular. notadev (talk) 07:00, 8 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete WP:CRYSTALBALL "Wikipedia is not a collection of unverifiable speculation, rumors, or presumptions". To do so would open up a whole category of speculative articles, dragging on and on in debate. None of us know the future, not even as near as January 2025. How many people envisioned in 2004 that a black man would run and win the 2008 Presidential election? That wasn't on anybody's radar. Also, as long as there are living descendants of any past president, who knows on that issue. A key factor in any election is how the US Supreme Court will have dealt with issues in the previous four years. We have no business sidetracking Wikipedia into a debate forum. — Maile (talk) 00:51, 8 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep the 2027 governor election pages were put up right after last year's elections, this election is far more notable, why are we changing the rules left and right? No reason to not have the page up. TheFellaVB (talk) 00:03, 8 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Strong Keep Clearly notable and mentioned in WP:CRYSTAL as an example "Examples of appropriate topics include the 2028 U.S. presidential election and 2032 Summer Olympics." 2600:100F:B1BF:78F7:31D5:D64B:57DF:473D (talk) 00:31, 8 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep (strongly) per above. LITERALLY mentioned in WP:CRYSTAL. It's "the next general election", which is absolutely appropriate to have an article on. Paintspot Infez (talk) 00:37, 8 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Strong Keep It is both notable and yes, it is expected to happen as usual (and per the three users above me). It is the next election anyhow. In fact, why was it necessary to have this AfD Discussion in the first place when its going to happen anyhow? 20chances (talk) 01:22, 8 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    ● Keep To Quote WP:CRYSTAL: "1. Individual scheduled or expected future events should be included only if the event is notable and almost certain to take place. Dates are not definite until the event actually takes place, as even otherwise-notable events can be cancelled or postponed at the last minute by a major incident. If preparation for the event is not already in progress, speculation about it must be well documented. Examples of appropriate topics include the 2028 U.S. presidential election and 2032 Summer Olympics. By comparison, the 2044 U.S. presidential election and 2048 Summer Olympics are not appropriate article topics if nothing can be said about them that is verifiable and not original research." InterDoesWiki (talk) 02:12, 8 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Strong Keep It is notable and the next U.S. presidential election on the schedule. After the 2023 gubernatorial elections, the 2027 gubernatorial election pages were created immediately. I think it is 100% appropriate to have an article for 2028. There is no reason not to at this point in time. TheMrTropical (talk) 02:09, 8 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Comment: Should this article have a WP:HISTMERGE with Draft:2028 United States presidential election? –Gluonz talk contribs 02:17, 8 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Keep: There is a strong public interest in this topic which compels it to stay; and while there may be articles that need deleted, this ain't one of 'em. -- Sapienna (talk) 02:22, 8 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment — Obviously, no one is claiming that the next U.S. presidential election is insignificant. The question is whether a page for the election is sustainable this early. Four politicians who have expressed interest—their plans changing notwithstanding here—is not enough to justify an article at this time. Tucker Carlson is among the potential Republican candidates, cited solely by a prediction from Joe Rogan. That conjecture is reading into the crystal ball from a source who is not foreign to espousing falsehoods. From WP:FUTURE: If preparation for the event is not already in progress, speculation about it must be well documented. No preparation is publicly known at this time, only gleaned from either dubious figures or journalists jockeying to be politically savvy. I am not against a draft to gather information and establish a general page structure, but it is very apparent that there needs to be a second administrator intervention to ensure that this process aligns with WP:FUTURE. elijahpepe@wikipedia (he/him) 04:16, 8 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Strong Keep. The speculated candidates section probably needs to be reduced in size (we don't need to put every single Democrat and Republican with a national presence there), but some candidates such as Whitmer have already started floating runs. HadesTTW (he/him • talk) 05:15, 8 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Strong delete. Speculation about candidates and polling data are not sufficient reasons to keep an article. There is no notable coverage beyong that and this article should be deleted until someone notable declares. Esolo5002 (talk) 07:27, 8 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Strong delete. Pure speculation (check sources: "2028 Presidential Wannabe", "What if Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez", "Ted Cruz says he expects", "Mike Pence looks like", "we just don't know what it will be", etc.). Nothing really substantially notable and covered by decent sources. RodRabelo7 (talk) 09:19, 8 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Strong keep as per WP:CRYSTALBALL (Individual scheduled or expected future events should be included only if the event is notable and almost certain to take place, which is the case here as US elections are fairly notable and are fixed every four years, so it's fairly sure it is almost certain to take place, barring a world-ending event or the US turning into a full-blown dictatorship) and past precedent (articles for "next" elections are typically created once a winner for the previous election has been called; there is even a specific section for how to name future election articles at WP:NCELECT. Furthermore, this is specially true for US elections: check the case for the 2024 article which was created/moved into mainspace on 8 November 2020). Also, we already have primary polling and multiple sources covering the 2028 election, so this is obviously not unsourced. Impru20talk 10:59, 8 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Strong Keep Per WP:CRYSTALBALL — Gor1995 𝄞 12:00, 8 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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