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'''''Full Collapse''''' is the second studio album by American [[post-hardcore]] band [[Thursday (band)|Thursday]]. It was released on April 10, 2001, through [[Victory Records]], to whom the band signed after leaving [[Eyeball Records]]. With the addition of guitarist Steve Pedulla, recording sessions for the album were held in November 2000 at [[Big Blue Meenie Recording Studio]]s in [[Jersey City, New Jersey|Jersey City]]. [[Sal Villanueva]], who served as the producer, the production team and members of different bands contributed additional instrumentation to the recordings. ''Full Collapse'' is considered a [[post-hardcore]]<ref name="AP.netreview"/><ref name=SMreview2008/> and [[screamo]] album.<ref name=NYTSummer/>
Preceded by a two-month United States tour, the album's release was promoted with a short series of shows. The band toured the US in 2001, with [[BoySetsFire]], [[Waterdown]], [[Rival Schools (band)|Rival Schools]], and [[Saves the Day]]. At the end of the year, the band released [[music video]]s for "[[Understanding in a Car Crash]]" and "Cross Out the Eyes". In early 2002, keyboardist Andrew Everding joined the band. They went on tour with [[the Movielife]] and [[Sparta (band)|Sparta]] and appeared on the [[Warped Tour]] soon afterwards. Around this time, the band made it known that they had several issues with Victory Records and its founder, Tony Brummel. Thursday has performed the album in its entirety on tours in 2011 and 2018.
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==Background and production==
Thursday released their debut album, ''[[Waiting (Thursday album)|Waiting]]'',
After signing, they were told by their friends that they would find themselves in "a situation that we would regret".<ref name=PNstatement/> The members of Thursday were unsure what their friends were referring to – they assumed that the signing would work out fine.<ref name=PNstatement/> They wrote the new songs in a collaborative manner. In comparison, most of the songs on ''Waiting'' were written by a single person.<ref name=PNinterview/> The majority of the songs that ended up on ''Full Collapse'' were written in the basement of frontman [[Geoff Rickly]]'s parents' house.<ref>{{cite magazine|url=http://www.rollingstone.com:80/artists/thursday/articles/story/5938758/new_faces_thursday|archive-url=https://web.archive.org/web/20090214045715/http://www.rollingstone.com/artists/thursday/articles/story/5938758/new_faces_thursday|title=New Faces: Thursday|magazine=[[Rolling Stone]]|author=Miller, Kirk|date=August 30, 2002|archive-date=February 14, 2009|access-date=February 19, 2021|url-status=dead}}</ref> They began recording the new album after a US tour.<ref>{{cite web|url=http://rock.yahoo.com/rock/music_news/amuznet/story.html?s=n/amuznet/rock/news/20001016/20001016003|archive-url=https://web.archive.org/web/20010925093155/http://rock.yahoo.com/rock/music_news/amuznet/story.html?s=n%2Famuznet%2Frock%2Fnews%2F20001016%2F20001016003|title=Victory Records Signs Thursday|publisher=[[Yahoo! Music]]|author=Galleno, Daniel|archive-date=September 25, 2001|access-date=February 18, 2021|url-status=live}}</ref> Sessions were held at [[Big Blue Meenie Recording Studio]]s in [[Jersey City, New Jersey]], with producer [[Sal Villanueva]] of metal band Demonspeed. The sessions in November 2000 lasted for 20 days.<ref name=VictoryBio>{{cite web|url=http://www.victoryrecords.com/thursday.html|archive-url=https://web.archive.org/web/20010202210200/http://www.victoryrecords.com/thursday.html|title=Thursday|publisher=[[Victory Records]]|archive-date=February 2, 2001|access-date=February 18, 2021}}</ref><ref>{{cite magazine|url=https://www.billboard.com/articles/news/68866/thursdays-war-rages-on-island|title=Thursday's 'War' Rages On Island|magazine=[[Billboard (magazine)|Billboard]]|date=October 1, 2003|access-date=February 4, 2018|archive-date=October 31, 2016|archive-url=https://web.archive.org/web/20161031003740/http://www.billboard.com/articles/news/68866/thursdays-war-rages-on-island|url-status=live}}</ref><ref name=FCbooklet/> Tim Giles and Erin Farley acted as [[Audio engineer|engineer]]s, with assistance from Codie Brown. Giles [[Audio mixing (recorded music)|mixed]] the recordings, before the album was [[Mastering (audio)|mastered]] by Timo G. Less at Surgical Sound.<ref name=FCbooklet/>
==Music and lyrics==
''Full Collapse'' has been mainly described as a [[post-hardcore]] release,<ref name="AP.netreview"/><ref name=SMreview2008/><ref>Bird, ed. 2015, p. 25</ref><ref name=WSreview/> while also being labelled as [[post-punk]],<ref name=PNreview/> [[emo pop]],<ref name=AMreview/> [[hardcore punk]],<ref name=PNreview/> [[screamo]]<ref name=NYTSummer/><ref>{{cite news |url=https://www.tampabay.com/archive/2003/10/12/if-it-s-thursday-it-must-be-screamo/ |archive-url=https://web.archive.org/web/20230519202112/https://www.tampabay.com/archive/2003/10/12/if-it-s-thursday-it-must-be-screamo/ |url-status=dead |archive-date=May 19, 2023 |title=If it's Thursday, it must be 'screamo' |date=October 12, 2003 |newspaper=[[Tampa Bay Times]] |access-date=May 19, 2023}}</ref> and [[punk rock]].<ref name="paste">{{cite web |last1=Nizam |first1=Adam |title=The 25 Best Punk Albums of the 2000s |url=https://www.pastemagazine.com/music/punk/the-25-best-punk-albums-of-the-2000s/ |website=[[Paste (magazine)|Paste]]}}</ref> Throughout the album, Rickly's singing switches between [[crooning]] to [[Screaming (music)#Hardcore and punk rock|screaming]].<ref>{{cite web|url=https://www.pastemagazine.com/music/punk/the-25-best-punk-albums-of-the-2000s/#14-thursday-full-collapse|title=The 25 Best Punk Albums of the 2000s|work=[[Paste (magazine)|Paste]]|author=Nizam, Adam|date=January 11, 2017|access-date=February 18, 2020|archive-date=November 12, 2020|archive-url=https://web.archive.org/web/20201112020939/https://www.pastemagazine.com/music/punk/the-25-best-punk-albums-of-the-2000s/#14-thursday-full-collapse|url-status=live}}</ref>
The opening track, "A0001", sees Rickly pondering whether a robot is capable of dreaming, as [[Audio feedback|guitar feedback]] gives way to two [[Snare drum|snare]] hits.<ref name="AP.netreview" /> He said people were "
"Paris in Flames" discusses [[transgender]] and [[LGBT social movements|LGBT activism]], as well as mentioning prejudices that a gay friend of Rickly's had faced.<ref name=ViceRYR>{{cite web|url=https://www.vice.com/en/article/rgpxzy/rank-your-records-thursday-geoff-rickly|title=Rank Your Records: Thursday's Geoff Rickly Explains Why 'Full Collapse' Is the Band's Best Record|work=[[Vice Media|Vice]]|author=Hill, John|date=December 11, 2014|access-date=September 23, 2016|archive-date=November 12, 2020|archive-url=https://web.archive.org/web/20201112015150/https://www.vice.com/en/article/rgpxzy/rank-your-records-thursday-geoff-rickly|url-status=live}}</ref><ref name=NYTSummer>{{cite web|url=https://www.nytimes.com/2003/06/29/magazine/the-summer-of-screamo.html?pagewanted=2&src=pm|archive-url=https://web.archive.org/web/20200827051240/https://www.nytimes.com/2003/06/29/magazine/the-summer-of-screamo.html?pagewanted=2&src=pm|title=The Summer of Screamo|work=[[The New York Times]]|author=Dee, Jonathan|date=June 29, 2003|archive-date=August 27, 2020|access-date=February 19, 2021}}</ref> "Standing on the Edge of Summer" talks about impending death and reuses a guitar effect heard in "Understanding in a Car Crash".<ref name=SMreview2008/><ref name=AMFSFreview/> "Wind-Up" begins with a slow verse section that gives
==Release==
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===Issues with Victory and subsequent touring===
In May 2002, as Thursday's signing to [[The Island Def Jam Music Group|Island Def Jam]] had become imminent, the band released a statement through their website detailing their internal problems with Victory and reasons for leaving. The band said they had higher aspirations for the album art for ''Full Collapse'', which were undone by Brummel's desire to keep costs down. During a visit to Victory's offices, they also discovered that for promotional purposes, the label made Thursday-branded [[whoopee cushion]]s, which were intended to be distributed to fans at the Warped Tour. They were produced without Thursday's consent and so were discontinued. The band continually emphasized the need to communicate regarding art direction and promotion, but were allegedly ignored by Brummel and told that Victory was too big to run everything past its artists.<ref name=PNstatement>{{cite web|url=https://www.punknews.org/article/3601/thursday-exposes-victory-officially-announces-island-signing|title=Thursday exposes Victory / officially announces Island signing!|publisher=Punknews.org|author=Heisel, Scott|date=May 22, 2002|access-date=February 5, 2018|url-status=live|archive-url=https://web.archive.org/web/20170803215453/https://www.punknews.org/article/3601/thursday-exposes-victory-officially-announces-island-signing|archive-date=August 3, 2017}}</ref> Rickly recalled that upon signing, the label told them that they wanted Thursday to be their own [[Pop music|pop]] iteration of Saves the Day.<ref>{{cite web|url=http://in-your-ear.net/features/interviews/thursday/|archiveurl=https://web.archive.org/web/20050113045354/http://in-your-ear.net/features/interviews/thursday/|title=Thursday The Language of Thursday|publisher=In Your Ear Magazine|author=Edwards, Melissa|date=October–November 2003|archivedate=January 13, 2005|accessdate=April 8, 2023}}</ref>
In a meeting with Brummel, he claimed that Thursday was not living up to his expectations, with the band's statement explaining: "Instead of Tony's relationship with us being based on a love for music, it was based entirely on numbers." However, by late 2001, Brummel began showing more concern for the band and called more frequently regarding sales. They soon learned that Brummel planned to sell part of Victory to [[MCA Records|MCA]] and, as Thursday's contract only allowed them to leave Victory for a [[major label]], began reciprocating new-found interest from prominent labels. By early 2002, the decision to join Island was made as MCA began promoting ''Full Collapse'' as their own,<ref name=PNstatement/> and Thursday found itself in a legal battle with the label. Rickly would later note: "When we parted ways with Victory, we got our asses kicked. [...] Victory's lawyers were so strong."<ref>{{cite web|url=https://idobi.com/news/thursdays-victory-treaty-causes-uproar/|title=Thursday's Victory Treaty Causes Uproar|publisher=[[Idobi Radio|idobi]]|author=Fiasco, Lance|date=July 10, 2007|access-date=February 18, 2021|archive-date=February 18, 2021|archive-url=https://web.archive.org/web/20210218153318/https://idobi.com/news/thursdays-victory-treaty-causes-uproar/|url-status=live}}</ref>
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''Full Collapse'' was met with generally favourable reviews from [[Music journalism|music critics]]. Chris Collum of ''[[AbsolutePunk]]'' wrote that "Thursday are something special, something that is almost unique, and this album–of their five–does the best job of getting that across." He said that the album's "biggest draw musically" was the way it moves between the "harsh and abrasive to the ambient and soothing in a matter of mere seconds".<ref name="AP.netreview"/> Punknews.org founder Aubin Paul said the album "delivers on the promise" of their debut "and then some". He added that there was "some serious intensity here, great powerful riffs, and a singer who can actually sing, and scream."<ref name=PNreview/>
''[[Ox-Fanzine]]'' reviewer Joachim Hiller found that Thursday had "two faces, which on the one hand comes across as super pop, [and] on the other hand relies on the 'Dr. Jekyll & Mr. Hyde' principle when it comes to singing: sometimes gentle, sometimes screamy, then brutal".<ref name=Oxreview>{{cite web|url=https://www.ox-fanzine.de/review/thursday-full-collapse-cd-17445|title=Reviews: Thursday / Full Collapse CD|work=[[Ox-Fanzine]]|author=Hiller, Joachim|date=June–August 2001|access-date=May 27, 2019|language=DE|archive-date=February 19, 2021|archive-url=https://web.archive.org/web/20210219152044/https://www.ox-fanzine.de/review/thursday-full-collapse-cd-17445|url-status=live}}</ref> Stuart Green of ''[[Exclaim!]]'' wrote that the album "sounds sort of like a jam session showdown between [[Quicksand (American band)|Quicksand]] and [[Sense Field]]". He adds that the band "take us on a wild 14-track ride that starts with the careening "Understanding In a Car Crash" and doesn't stop until some 40 minutes later."<ref name=Exclaimreview>{{cite web|url=https://exclaim.ca/music/article/thursday-full_collapse|title=Thursday Full Collapse|work=[[Exclaim!]]|author=Green, Stuart|date=June 1, 2001|access-date=February 5, 2018|archive-date=February 6, 2018|archive-url=https://web.archive.org/web/20180206002600/https://exclaim.ca/music/article/thursday-full_collapse|url-status=live}}</ref> The staff at ''[[Manila Standard]]'' said hardcore fanatics would be "dissatisfied with the mingling of genres but Thursday handles the juggling act well".<ref>Anon. 2002, p. 21</ref> ''[[Wondering Sound]]'' contributor Jonah Bayer said Rickly's "strikingly literary musings were packed with so much imagery and iconography that teens all over the country instantly latched onto these post-hardcore anthems".<ref name=WSreview>{{cite web|url=http://www.wonderingsound.com/review/thursday-full-collapse-2/|archive-url=https://web.archive.org/web/20160110170347/http://www.wonderingsound.com/review/thursday-full-collapse-2/|title=Thursday, Full Collapse|work=[[Wondering Sound]]|author=Bayer, Jonah|date=February 1, 2011|archive-date=January 10, 2016|access-date=February 19, 2021|url-status=dead}}</ref>
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''Full Collapse'' reached number 178 on the US [[Billboard 200|''Billboard'' 200]].<ref name=Bill200/> It charted at number ten on the ''[[Billboard (magazine)|Billboard]]'' [[Heatseekers Albums]] chart and number nine on the [[Independent Albums]] chart.<ref name=BillHeat/><ref name=BillInde/> In the first week of release, ''Full Collapse'' sold 800 copies.<ref>Greenwald 2003, p. 155</ref> As of October 2008, it sold 380,000 copies.<ref>Anon. 2008, p. 46</ref>
In February 2009, Thursday announced that they would perform ''Full Collapse'' in its entirety for a one-off show on the [[Taste of Chaos]] tour.<ref>{{cite web|url=https://www.altpress.com/news/archive_6133/|title=Thursday to play Full Collapse in its entirety on RTOC|work=Alternative Press|date=February 27, 2009|access-date=August 4, 2017|archive-date=February 19, 2021|archive-url=https://web.archive.org/web/20210219152129/https://www.altpress.com/news/archive_6133/|url-status=live}}</ref> However, on the day of the show, the band cancelled.<ref>{{cite web|url=https://www.altpress.com/news/archive_6145/|title=Thursday's Full Collapse show tonight canceled|work=Alternative Press|date=March 2, 2009|access-date=August 4, 2017|archive-date=February 19, 2021|archive-url=https://web.archive.org/web/20210219152046/https://www.altpress.com/news/archive_6145/|url-status=live}}</ref> They eventually performed the album in October 2009, while in the midst of promoting their fifth studio album, ''[[Common Existence]]''.<ref>{{cite web|url=https://www.punknews.org/article/34880/thursday-to-play-entirety-of-war-all-the-time-and-full-collapse-at-two-shows|archiveurl=https://web.archive.org/web/20221010182342/https://www.punknews.org/article/34880/thursday-to-play-entirety-of-war-all-the-time-and-full-collapse-at-two-shows|title=Thursday to play entirety of 'War All the Time' and 'Full Collapse' at two shows|publisher=Punknews.org|author=White, Adam|date=August 20, 2009|archivedate=October 10, 2022|access-date=October 10, 2022}}</ref><ref>{{cite web|url=https://www.punknews.org/review/8758/thursday-far-midnight-masses-live-in-new-york|archiveurl=https://web.archive.org/web/20210511003506/https://www.punknews.org/review/8758/thursday-far-midnight-masses-live-in-new-york|title=Thursday / Far / Midnight Masses live in New York (2009)|publisher=Punknews.org|author=Shultz, Brian|date=October 27, 2009|archivedate=May 11, 2021|access-date=October 10, 2022}}</ref> To celebrate the tenth anniversary of ''Full Collapse'', Thursday performed the album in its
:''Full Collapse'' was a record that changed the course and shape of my life. We began touring for it in basements and [[VFW]] halls, [...] and ended up as a full-time touring band meeting hundreds of thousands of people with whom we formed deep and lasting connections. Time passes and we embrace new music and different goals but, ten years later, ''Full Collapse'' continues to move people and for that we are very grateful. This tour is a celebration of those times and the end of a chapter in the life of Thursday.<ref name=idobi10th/>
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