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The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was delete‎. LFaraone 23:05, 31 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Sleepy Hollow High

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Cannot locate any reliable sources that give significant coverage. The only reference in the article is the movie itself. -- Mike 🗩 18:45, 23 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]

●Redirect to Sleepy Hollow High School PaulGamerBoy360 (talk) 13:56, 25 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep per the significant coverage in multiple independent reliable sources.
    1. "Sleepy Hollow High (Sterling, 00). D/S/FX/act. Kevin Summerfield, P/D/edit/cine Chris Arth". Psychotronic Video. No. 34. 2001. p. 69. Retrieved 2023-10-28 – via Internet Archive.

      The review notes: "Before Halloween, five troubled high school students are ordered to clean up in the woods where a pumpkin head horseman has been killing. The kids include Shannon (Meagan Lopez), a brilliant misfit computer hacker, Z (Ruben Brown), a big bald black drug dealer, and Bobbi (Maria Cooper), his pregnant girlfriend. Both lead female characters have suicidal tendencies. With decapitations, nightmares, and some 70’s style punk music. This is better than you might expect for a local Sleepy Hollow ripoff, but the scenes of a sobbing tied up white guy with a hood over his head being tormented by the black couple seemed a little out of place. Summerfield plays the teacher in charge of the community service project and Baltimore area movie regular George Stover is a teacher in classroom scenes. It was filmed in Sylersville, Maryland."

    2. Scapperotti, Dan (1999-12-03). "Attractions Fatale". Femme Fatales. Vol. 8, no. 8. Retrieved 2023-10-28 – via Internet Archive.

      The review notes: "Trailers introducing Tim Burton's Sleepy Hollow to theatre audiences debuted earlier last summer. But someone is already hitching-up to the Headless Horseman's bandwagon. Director Kevin Summerfield lensed his Sleepy Hollow High, a compendium of "teen terror" vignettes, in the wilds of Hickory, North Carolina. Five high school seniors who cruise to a haunted house exchange tales of ghosts ‘n’ goblins: the topper has something to do about a not-so-blithe spirit who had lost his head. That’s right, Washington Irving's Legend of Sleepy Hollow characters have been adapted to a high school environment. Bram Bones has been updated Into an obnoxious jock, Ichabod Crane is the campus nerd and both compete for the heroine played by Shannon Hutchinson, ... The film is slated for a direct-to-video Halloween release."

    3. Tobey, Matthew. "Sleepy Hollow High (2000)". AllMovie. Archived from the original on 2023-10-28. Retrieved 2023-10-28.

      The synopsis is 100 words long. The synopsis notes: "The first film from the directing team of Chris Arth and Kevin Summerfield, Sleepy Hollow High is an independent horror film that attempts to move the story of the headless horseman from Washington Irving's The Legend of Sleepy Hollow into a contemporary high school setting."

    4. Henderson, Jenny (2002). The North Carolina Filmography: Over 2000 Film and Television Works Made in the State, 1905 through 2000. Jefferson, North Carolina: McFarland & Company. ISBN 978-0-7864-5545-4. Retrieved 2023-10-28 – via Google Books.

      The book notes: "1784 Sleepy Hollow High (fea). London Night Entertainment; Hickory. Cities: Hickory. Counties: Catawba. Scenes: In and around Hickory. D: Summerfield, Kevin. P: Summerfield, Kevin. Writer: Summerfield, Kevin. Crew: Damon, George (s). Cast: Hutchinson, Shannon; Finn, Justin; Benedict, Antonio; Townes, Adrienne; Brown, Maria; Brown, Ruben; Donigian, Wendy; Lopez, Meagan. A crew of three filmed this video in nine days. Length 90 minutes. Five high school seniors having a party in a haunted house, telling ghosts stories in which the five seniors appear as different characters."

    There is sufficient coverage in reliable sources to allow Sleepy Hollow High to pass Wikipedia:Notability#General notability guideline, which requires "significant coverage in reliable sources that are independent of the subject".

    Cunard (talk) 08:21, 28 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Thank you @Cunard for uncovering these additional sources. However, I still do not believe they are sufficient to meet GNG.
  1. I agree that source 1 satisfies the criteria for independence, reliability, and significance.
  2. Source 2 is not sufficiently in-depth because it vaguely summarizes the characters and then has a quote from one of the actresses that takes up over one third of the column.
  3. Source 3 is a 100 word synopsis that has no analysis of the film and I don't believe that a synposis is significant for the purposes of GNG.
  4. Source 4 merely establishes that the film exists. The book is a list of films made in North Carolina that provides the high-level features of each film in the list (actors, director, crew, and one sentence synopsis) without further analysis.
voorts (talk/contributions) 18:35, 28 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment: Wikipedia:Notability#General notability guideline says:

    "Significant coverage" addresses the topic directly and in detail, so that no original research is needed to extract the content. Significant coverage is more than a trivial mention, but it does not need to be the main topic of the source material.

    The 137 words of coverage in Psychotronic Video and the 114 words of non-interview coverage in volume 8, number 8 of Femme Fatales "addres[s] the topic directly and in detail, so that no original research is needed to extract the content".

    Here are additional sources I found, though they provide less coverage than the preceding two sources I listed above:

    1. George, Bill (April 2000). "Bill George article". Femme Fatales. Vol. 8, no. 15. Retrieved 2023-10-28 – via Internet Archive.

      Sleepy Hollow High's movie poster says "SCREAM meets DAWSON'S CREEK" –Bill George, Femme Fatales Magazine. I found a copy of the article in Internet Archive but when I clicked on the link, I received the message: "The item you have requested had an error: unable to load metadata from item location which prevents us from displaying this page. Items may be taken down for various reasons, including by decision of the uploader or due to a violation of our Terms of Use."

      Through searching for quotes from the article, I found that the article notes: "And north of the house, literally a stone's throw away, a crew is shooting Sleepy Hollow High ("It's Scream meets Dawson's Creek!"). It's shot on film. It's cast with an ensemble of disciplined actors who have developed a tolerance for freezing temperatures and post-midnight shoots. It's directed not by neophytes but experienced filmmakers who have declined to negotiate with any further shot-on-video venues. And it's budget, admits the 30-year-old producer, "is somewhere in the neighborhood of the first Blair Witch movie. ..."

    2. Eidenmiller, Brooke (1999-07-29). "Local man parties as part of cast in the new Muppet movie" (pages 1 and 2). Hickory Daily Record. Archived from the original (pages 1 and 2) on 2023-10-28. Retrieved 2023-10-28 – via Newspapers.com.

      The article notes: "Sepulveda is currently working on the Hickory-based film, "Sleepy Hollow High." Produced by London Night Entertainment in Hickory, this teen horror flick is not as graphic as a full-fledged horror movie. "It's more of a goose-bumps type of movie," he said. Not only will Sepulveda be in the film, his car will be too. The 1969 black Hearse with orange flames, Sepulveda's "weekend car," will be featured in the movie. "Sleepy Hollow High" is set to be released in October and will be sold in Wal-Mart and K-Mart stores."

    There is enough information in all of these articles to write a start-class or C-class article under the Wikipedia:Content assessment.

    Even if editors conclude the film does not meet the notability guidelines, per Wikipedia:Deletion policy#Alternatives to deletion, the article should not be deleted if there are alternatives to deletion. There is a good merge target at The Legend of Sleepy Hollow#Sleepy Hollow High, where this film is mentioned.

    A redirect with the history preserved under the redirect will allow editors to selectively merge any content that can be reliably sourced to the target article. A redirect with the history preserved under the redirect will allow the redirect to be undone if significant coverage in reliable sources is found in the future.

    Cunard (talk) 23:25, 28 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]

A better redirect would be Sleepy Hollow High School, due to the fact that the whole film section in The Legend of Sleepy Hollow, is unreferenced, and the whole plot section is unreferenced. 😎😎PaulGamerBoy360😎😎 (talk) 02:55, 29 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]
PaulGamerBoy360 (talk · contribs), my first preference is to have a standalone article about the film because it has received enough coverage to meet Wikipedia:Notability#General notability guideline and for a start-class or C-class article to be written.

If consensus is that the film should not have a standalone article, I am fine with Sleepy Hollow High redirecting to the disambiguation page Sleepy Hollow High School. Sleepy Hollow High School should continue to mention the film and should link to The Legend of Sleepy Hollow#Sleepy Hollow High. I would also like to have the history of Sleepy Hollow High preserved, either at its present title or by the history being moved to Sleepy Hollow High (film) before being turned into a redirect.

The film section of The Legend of Sleepy Hollow can be sourced so that should not be a barrier to pointing readers to that section. The sources found in this AfD can be used to source and expand The Legend of Sleepy Hollow#Sleepy Hollow High.

I am willing to expand and source Sleepy Hollow High with the sources found in this AfD but have not done so because if consensus is against a standalone article, I would have wasted time doing so.

Pinging Mushy Yank (talk · contribs), who suggested several redirect targets for your thoughts about a standalone article or a redirect.

Cunard (talk) 09:07, 29 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Thank you very much for those sources and for the ping. (Not sure why but your notification wasn't displayed on my page but all is well, I happened to pass by.) While I'm at it, I'm with you concerning the redirects in case a standalone article for the film is not what is decided, but with the sources you provided, I really cannot see why it shouldn't. -My, oh my! (Mushy Yank) 17:08, 29 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]
If we keep this article we should rename it to Sleepy Hollow High (Film) & move the Disambiguation page to Sleepy Hollow High. 😎😎PaulGamerBoy360😎😎 (talk) 23:18, 29 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Also about the sources provided by @Cunard, The First one Gives an error, #2 I Will NEVER look at due to the content, #3 is unreliable, # 4 is a simple listing.
And Eidenmiller, Brooke (1999-07-29) is routine Coverage.
None of them meet GNG. 😎😎PaulGamerBoy360😎😎 (talk) 23:26, 29 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Regarding None of them meet GNG., you could not access the first source on Internet Archive (which I can still access). You declined to access the second source. These are the two sources I said allow the film to meet Wikipedia:Notability#General notability guideline. Cunard (talk) 23:50, 29 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Due to the fact that the second source is a porn magazine it is unreliable, & I am now able to acces the first source and it does not pass GNG because it is just a plot summary. 😎😎PaulGamerBoy360😎😎 (talk) 03:36, 30 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]
The Psychotronic Video article is not "just a plot summary". It contains critical commentary: "This is better than you might expect for a local Sleepy Hollow ripoff, but the scenes of a sobbing tied up white guy with a hood over his head being tormented by the black couple seemed a little out of place".

Both Femme Fatales and Playboy are men's magazines that contain nudity. According to Wikipedia:Reliable sources/Perennial sources#Playboy, Playboy is considered generally reliable. That a publication is a men's magazine that contains nudity is not by itself sufficient to rule it out as unreliable. Femme Fatales was founded as a sister publication of the science fiction magazine Cinefantastique and had editorial oversight. I consider it to be sufficiently reliable for information about films. Jason Sechrest, who had written for Femme Fatales, wrote:

Femme Fatales had launched just one Summer before in 1992, the “sister pub” to Frederick S. Clarke’s Cinefantasique magazine which he’d been publishing since before 1960. To be clear, Femme Fatales was not a “men’s magazine.” It was easily accessible to all ages, and was not, by law at least, considered to be pornographic. Though the women may have been wearing next to nothing, they were never (maybe rarely) completely nude. Michelle Pfeiffer, Carrie Fisher, Sigourney Weaver, Terri Hatcher, and many more had not only granted exclusive interviews to the publication, but had even graced its cover, making it a perfectly legitimate mainstream magazine in its own right. Yet, the majority of its glossy pages were filled with B-movie starlets and scream queens, the kind of girls you’d see on late night TV – especially Cinemax.

From this article in the Los Angeles Times:

To the casual observer, Femme Fatales magazine might just be another cleavage report from the Hollywood fringe, a girlie rag for males too young to buy Playboy or Penthouse. True, FF, a quarterly devoted to B-movie queens, is plump with pictures of scantily clad women staring open-mouthed into the camera. But read the articles in the nearly 2-year-old sister publication to science fiction’s Cinefantastique and a reader will discover babes of substance who seek escape from low-budget land as they rally against sexual exploitation and casting-couch abuses and voice dreams of true artistic satisfaction.

Cunard (talk) 05:13, 30 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Heck, I wouldn't even recommend lumping SHH into the Legend of Sleepy Hollow article. The film is nowhere near notable enough and has no connection to the original story aside from the title. sixtynine • whaddya want? • 23:19, 30 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]
In his review of Sleepy Holly High, Scapperotti 1999 wrote, "Washington Irving's Legend of Sleepy Hollow characters have been adapted to a high school environment." The source verifies that Sleepy Holly High is an adaptation of Legend of Sleepy Hollow.

It is due weight to discuss Sleepy Hollow High in The Legend of Sleepy Hollow#Adaptations, where it was discussed until an AfD participant deleted it. Once the "Adaptations" section gets too long, it potentially can be spun off into a separate article. Cunard (talk) 07:41, 31 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]

  • Delete: Fails GNG and NFILM, no WP:IS, WP:RS with WP:SIGCOV addressing the subject directly and indepth. No sources in the article (other than IMDB and AllMovie links which do not establish notability) and the above are promos and mentions, nothing that comes close to SIGCOV from an WP:IS WP:RS. Nothing in the article is sourced, nothing here can be merged and nothing here is worth keeping (its all on IMDB and AllMovie).  // Timothy :: talk  13:02, 31 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]
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