Possibly

Despite your previous assumption, I am not Will Graham. He is a notable figure in the tattoo industry in Canada. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Fauxkingmedia (talk • contribs) 23:01, 6 October 2021 (UTC)Reply

Ok, thanks. It was this page that made me think you were. Is Fauxkingmedia a play on words or a company? Paid editing on Wikipedia needs to be declared. --- Possibly ☎ 23:23, 6 October 2021 (UTC)Reply

@Fauxkingmedia: Also, please don't revert my edits to that page. You cannot have a list of external links in the article that link to his tattoo businesses. It is considered to be advertising. I have edited thousands of articles, you would be wise to accept my help, as I am correcting things that will prevent the publication of the article. --- Possibly ☎ 23:27, 6 October 2021 (UTC)Reply

You may recall that when we discussed this a few months ago, I promised to get a few pictures while I was down for Homecoming. Well...I did. :-) Have a look at Commons, but I think the one currently in the article is the best by far. --Ser Amantio di Nicolao^{Che dicono a Signa?}_{Lo dicono a Signa.} 06:16, 8 October 2021 (UTC)Reply

I have been away from Wiki for about 5 years, so I am a little rusty!

Thank you for your professional assistance, especially with the COI issue.

I appreciate your help.

Best wishes, Andrewincowtown (talk) 17:14, 13 October 2021 (UTC)Reply

Hi, since you created the article about the contemporary art museum in Lima and you helped me with the contemporary art museum in Bogota, maybe you would be interested in this draft, I don't know if I should submit it for review or add more content, what do you think?--Seb { 💬 Talk + 📝 Edits } 22:23, 16 October 2021 (UTC)Reply

Nice job! Museums of that size are notable. I moved it to article space. --- Possibly ☎ 23:08, 16 October 2021 (UTC)Reply

@Possibly: Thank you for approving my draft, some time ago I did an article about a fine arts museum in Argentina, it is called Provincial Museum of Fine Arts "Dr. Pedro E. Martínez" it is in the city of Paraná, I also plan to do another article about the Provincial Museum of Fine Arts "Dr. Juan R. Vidal" in Corrientes, by the way, the MACBA article could be considered as "start-class"?--Seb { 💬 Talk + 📝 Edits } 23:57, 16 October 2021 (UTC)Reply

@JSeb05: yes I just marked it as start class, using the rater tool. See the edit history of the talk page. These are good articles, you do not need to ask anyone if they are good enough. Just use the Page menu at top and click "move" to Article space! --- Possibly ☎ 01:12, 17 October 2021 (UTC)Reply

Hello and thank you for your work on the entry for my work as an artist. Just yesterday someone alerted me to the fact that I now have a page on Wikipedia, and I am very pleased to have finally made it! I'm inexperienced with Wikipedia and not very familiar with the etiquette, so forgive me if I'm going about this all wrong. As far as I can tell, someone made an entry back in 2020 which was rejected, and you then picked up the ball and ran with it to get the page up, which I gather from your info is something you regularly do. I note that you prioritise women artists in your searches, which is great. I made two simple factual corrections myself (I have dual nationality, and the year of my Berlin show was incorrect), but there is a slightly more complex issue which I assume it would be unethical for me to change, so I'm wondering if you could correct when you have time. If you don't have the time or the inclination, don't worry, I'll try to get someone else to do it. In the penultimate paragraph, there is conflation between two projects I did with transplant patients. Both were collaborations with (now deceased) photographer Tim Wainwright... Transplant was the first project, done in 2008-9, after a year-long residency in the heart and lung transplant centre at Harefield Hospital near London. This resulted in an installation, book, radio piece, and various other outputs detailed here: http://www.sensitivebrigade.com/Transplant.htm Transplant and Life was a separate project, done in 2016-17, after a residency with abdominal (liver, kidney, pancreas) transplant patients at the Royal Free Hospital in London. (We also revisited some of the heart and lung transplant recipients from the first project as part of T&L.) The main output from this was the exhibition at the Hunterian Museum, and it is that exhibition that the Lancet review is talking about: http://www.sensitivebrigade.com/Transplant_and_Life.htm After Tim died in 2018, I made a 90 minute video installation from our visual and sonic materials from this project for Science Gallery London, in 2019. http://www.sensitivebrigade.com/Birds.htm

And finally - again no problem if you don't have the time or inclination or if adding to an article is not something the subject can or should request - the article mentions two projects with endangered languages but only describes one, Hearing Voices. The other one was with speakers of one of Canada's endangered indigenous languages, and it showed twice at the Museum of Anthropology in Vancouver as well as at the Surrey Art Gallery and the 'Ksan cultural centre, close to the Kispiox reserve in Gitxsan territory. http://www.sensitivebrigade.com/Anspayaxw.htm

Thanks again, and apologies if I'm not conforming to the proper etiquette!

Sensitive Brigade (talk) 10:53, 20 October 2021 (UTC)Reply

Hello. Please use the Wikipedia:Edit requests process to request changes to a page for which you have a conflict of interest. --- Possibly ☎ 12:12, 20 October 2021 (UTC)Reply

Identity of user Sensitive Brigade confirmed. VRT Ticket No. 2021110210006341 Geoff | ^{Who, me?} 15:56, 2 November 2021 (UTC)Reply

Hi. You made a couple of small edits to this draft on September 25th but it has languished in draft state since then. I know drafts can take a long time to get approved, but I'd love to see this one moved out of the draft stage. It is well-researched and heavily sourced. Can you help? Thanks. Brooklinehistory (talk) 11:54, 1 November 2021 (UTC)Reply

Hi @Possibly: I hope everything is ok. scope_creep^Talk 12:29, 7 November 2021 (UTC)Reply

 

A discussion is taking place as to whether the article Linda Anderson (artist) is suitable for inclusion in Wikipedia according to Wikipedia's policies and guidelines or whether it should be deleted.

The article will be discussed at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Linda Anderson (artist) until a consensus is reached, and anyone, including you, is welcome to contribute to the discussion. The nomination will explain the policies and guidelines which are of concern. The discussion focuses on high-quality evidence and our policies and guidelines.

Users may edit the article during the discussion, including to improve the article to address concerns raised in the discussion. However, do not remove the article-for-deletion notice from the top of the article.

Itcouldbepossible (talk) 09:31, 16 November 2021 (UTC)Reply

@Possibly: Hi Mr. Possibly I nominated this for deletion also because it did not go through AfC. ANd I don't think https://mocaga.org/ is a reliable source. It is clearly for promotion as clearly stated here [1]. They specifically want to place their artists in what they call 'a global context'. So that is why I thought that there must be a discussion about this page. You can also give your views in the discussion page. Have a great day and regards. Itcouldbepossible (talk) 09:38, 16 November 2021 (UTC)Reply

(talk page stalker) Itcouldbepossible, it seems that Possibly may be on a Wiki-break right now. Highly experienced users like Possibly have permissions to bypass AfC. They are well respected for their stubs on artists that are always properly sourced. My suggestion to you is to learn more about the encyclopedia, gain more experience with how things work on WP including deletion guidelines before nominating additional articles so as not to waste the time of volunteer editors. Also, you should not be messing around with other people's templates on their user subpages uninvited as you did here: [2] and here [3]. Netherzone (talk) 12:35, 16 November 2021 (UTC)Reply

@Netherzone: Yes, I understand you, but he clearly stated that anyone can edit them, so I don't think there is something wrong in editing the template. And please can you explain me how you can say 'properly sourced' when an article has only 4 references, that too of websites that have been made for promotional purposes? Regards. Itcouldbepossible (talk) 12:42, 16 November 2021 (UTC)Reply

Itcouldbepossible thanks for your reply. Their user page states If you have suggestions on how to improve the template, let me know on my talk page, or if you are experienced in such matters, just edit the template!; you are clearly not an experienced editor with only about 90 total edits. The courteous thing to do would have been to make suggestions on this talk page. On the other matter, the four refs substantiate the notable museum collections, and are not promotional. Netherzone (talk) 12:54, 16 November 2021 (UTC)Reply

Netherzone Ok, but you see many of the articles created by this user has only 4-5 sentences in them. And each of them has been created without Afc. So is that legal considering that an article must have at least a couple of sentences to qualify for an article. Please correct me if I am saying something wrong. Regards. Itcouldbepossible (talk) 13:19, 16 November 2021 (UTC)Reply

If the subject of a short "stub" article (see WP:STUB) is notable, per our guidelines for notability (see WP:N) and the sources are reliable (see WP:RS) and verifiable (see WP:V), it's fine. So yes, even very short articles on notable subjects are permitted. The user Possibly has been here for many years and is well respected. They know what they are doing and are trusted by the community for their expertise. They have made tens of thousands of edits to the encyclopedia. Please consider creating content and making improvements to the encyclopedia before rushing in to delete articles - that's just a suggestion. Netherzone (talk) 13:24, 16 November 2021 (UTC)Reply

Netherzone Ok, I take your suggestion. Actually I was a little confused about this article. I had seen many articles, that had little content in it, and got itself deleted. So I thought that a delete discussion must be started on this article. That is why, I did not send it for speedy deletion. I am also confused, about which sources are reliable and which are not. Some articles had many sources, but got deleted because they did not have reliable sources. So that's why I had made an XFD page for this article. Ok, but now I have made this mistake, what is to be done now. Please close the delete discussion, and remove the delete tag from the article. Tell me if I can help in any way. Waiting for your valuable reply. Regards. Itcouldbepossible (talk) 05:08, 17 November 2021 (UTC)Reply

Itcouldbepossible, I am copying this discussion to your talk page, as it seems Possibly is on an extended break. If they come back and want to participate, they will find the rest of the discussion there. Netherzone (talk) 13:26, 17 November 2021 (UTC)Reply

Netherzone As you please. Your are free to use my talk page. Itcouldbepossible (talk) 13:30, 17 November 2021 (UTC)Reply

Decision on LA article was KEEP. David notMD (talk) 15:05, 24 November 2021 (UTC)Reply

Hi Possibly, if you are checking your WP mail....I just sent you an email. Hope you are well! Netherzone (talk) 23:45, 26 November 2021 (UTC)Reply

  Hello, Possibly. This is a bot-delivered message letting you know that Draft:Saline Valley salt tram, a page you created, has not been edited in at least 5 months. Drafts that have not been edited for six months may be deleted, so if you wish to retain the page, please edit it again or request that it be moved to your userspace.

If the page has already been deleted, you can request it be undeleted so you can continue working on it.

Thank you for your submission to Wikipedia. FireflyBot (talk) 19:02, 4 December 2021 (UTC)Reply

Hi @Possibly: I've not seen or heard from your for more than a month now. Hope you are all right. scope_creep^Talk 09:46, 6 December 2021 (UTC)Reply

Hello scope_creep, I too am wondering how Possibly is doing, and miss seeing them around. I saw in the message above that there is in old draft of theirs that might get deleted: Draft:Saline Valley salt tram. It would be a shame to see that good work disappear. I made some improvements to it today, adding a source, and the NRHP infobox. I think it's safe to move to main space without concerns about its notability, but wanted to ask what you thought. Netherzone (talk) 15:13, 6 December 2021 (UTC)Reply

@Netherzone: Yes he just stopped, which is a bit worrying. I hope he is alright. I posted that Afc. Nice wee article. scope_creep^Talk 15:25, 6 December 2021 (UTC)Reply

Scope_creep kindly sent the Saline Valley Salt Tram draft to main space just now. Thanks Scope! @Possibly: - you are a rock star, and are very much missed around here! Please let us know how you are doing, if you see this and feel like logging on. I know that sometimes we all need time to ourselves, but I too am a little worried. Netherzone (talk) 15:29, 6 December 2021 (UTC)Reply

@scope_creep. I'm new to this wikipedia editing. I see you were friends with possibility. He was my uncle. He has passed away and will be a memorial service in January if you would like to join.

https://www.legacy.com/ca/obituaries/theglobeandmail/name/daniel-jolliffe-obituary?pid=200715086

My username is helpfuleconomist if you want to reach out. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Helpfuleconomist (talk • contribs) 05:12, December 23, 2021 (UTC)

repeating ping of user:Scope creep (and adding user:Netherzone) for new user since original attempt failed. Meters (talk) 05:23, 23 December 2021 (UTC)Reply

I'm so deeply saddened to hear of this news. Possibly [ThatMontrealIP] was a brilliant, generous person who tirelessly shared his time, energy and intellect with this community and the readers. I'm too shocked to say much more at this moment other than he was my friend and I will miss him very much. Netherzone (talk) 13:20, 23 December 2021 (UTC)Reply

Oh no, such terrible news. Possibly was a highly appreciated and liked fellow editor. Deepest condolences to his family and friends. He will be very much missed here. --bonadea contributions talk 16:07, 23 December 2021 (UTC)Reply

I'm so sorry to hear this. I had noticed Possibly's absence and hoped it would be temporary as he did excellent work here. He will be sorely missed. Spicy (talk) 05:02, 24 December 2021 (UTC)Reply

I too am really saddened to hear this. I've enjoying editing alongside Possibly (formerly ThatMontrealIP) for the last couple of years and appreciated his kind and gentle approach, as well as his diligence. To his loved ones, deepest condolences. Please know he will be missed and well thought of here. Melcous (talk) 05:19, 24 December 2021 (UTC)Reply

This is awful news. While I think we only interacted once, at an SPI which ended up unpleasant for everyone, it was always nice to see him around. His loss will be felt here, and my sincere condolences lie with his friends and family. Giraffer ^{(talk·contribs)} 09:08, 24 December 2021 (UTC)Reply

Possibly's presence made this project a better place. My heart goes out to those close to him. --Blablubbs (talk) 11:48, 24 December 2021 (UTC)Reply

Helpfuleconomist, thank you for telling us. I'm deeply saddened to hear this - I didn't just respect your uncle as a fellow editor, I genuinely liked him. I'll miss him. My condolences to you and the rest of your family, and a heartfelt thank you for telling us. GeneralNotability (talk) 13:57, 24 December 2021 (UTC)Reply

• I too had noticed the lack of Possibly and am so saddened to come back from a holiday break to this news. Thank you Helpfuleconomist for letting us know. Your uncle was a key part of this community and I enjoyed working with him. Condolences to your family. Star Mississippi 18:58, 3 January 2022 (UTC)Reply

  Hello, Possibly. This is a bot-delivered message letting you know that Draft:Clara Wheatley, a page you created, has not been edited in at least 5 months. Drafts that have not been edited for six months may be deleted, so if you wish to retain the page, please edit it again or request that it be moved to your userspace.

If the page has already been deleted, you can request it be undeleted so you can continue working on it.

Thank you for your submission to Wikipedia. FireflyBot (talk) 19:03, 14 December 2021 (UTC)Reply

There is already an article on her - Clara Pope so I think it is safe to delete the draft. (It is the same artist, Pope is her maiden name, Wheatley her married name. Any talk page watchers care to weigh in? Netherzone (talk) 19:55, 14 December 2021 (UTC)Reply

@Netherzone I think so.. there is no need to keep the draft. This source tells us that both are the same. And anyway, whats up with Possibly? Wish he is ok. ― Itcouldbepossible^Talk 06:22, 15 December 2021 (UTC)Reply

	Bring on the cheer!
	Hi Possibly, May you have a bright and beautiful holiday season, thank you for all the support you have given me over the years, and for everything you have done for women artists, the encyclopedia and the community. Have a happy and healthy 2022, hope to see you around again soon! Netherzone (talk) 17:23, 20 December 2021 (UTC)Reply

Netherzone (talk) 17:23, 20 December 2021 (UTC)Reply

Was deeply saddened to see the above by @Helpfuleconomist: - I believe we crossed paths a few times. Rest easy 😔 -- TNT (talk • she/they) 05:17, 24 December 2021 (UTC)Reply

• Very sorry to see this - what little I'm aware of always impressed me in positive way, so I am grateful for your work here. I offer my prayers and best wishes to friends and family. — Ched (talk) 06:45, 10 January 2022 (UTC)Reply

	Flowers
	We will miss your great observation skills and your diligence. Your contributions were beyond expectations. Now its time for some rest. Rest in peace. Goodbye again.

― Itcouldbepossible^Talk 08:01, 24 December 2021 (UTC)Reply

You are missed...Modernist (talk) 00:19, 26 December 2021 (UTC)Reply

I am so very sad to hear this. Possibly was an absolutely outstanding editor with whom it was always a pleasure to collaborate. He was dedicated, painstaking, fair-minded and very knowledgeable in the field of art and artists (at least); I will miss him a lot. My heartfelt condolences to his family and friends, and of course to Helpfuleconomist who brought us this sad news. Justlettersandnumbers (talk) 11:51, 24 December 2021 (UTC)Reply

• This is such sad news, Possibly was such an asset to WikiP. My deepest sympathy to family and friends. MarnetteD|Talk 00:40, 26 December 2021 (UTC)Reply

women artists

 

Thank you for quality articles about women who create art, such as Virginia Overton and Kader Attia, for beginning many more, also from your hometown Musée d'art contemporain de Montréal, for expanding articles such as Geneviève Cadieux, - you are an awesome Wikipedian!

--Gerda Arendt (talk) 07:54, 26 April 2019 (UTC)Reply

repeated in thankful memory --Gerda Arendt (talk) 15:08, 24 December 2021 (UTC)Reply

I can't believe that I'm just discovering this news now, I came by your edits so frequently over the years. I was just looking at an old draft and saw your username crossed out which is how blocked accounts appear to me with the scripts I use and I had to find out how your account came to be blocked by the WMF. So sad to find out the reason why your account is blocked. You will be missed. Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 22:10, 26 December 2021 (UTC)Reply

Hi talk page watchers. I was talking to a couple folks offwiki about the best way to honor Possibly's memory, and one thing that people liked was to finish up Possibly's drafts and maybe bring a couple of his existing stubs to DYK. Anyone interested? I definitely want to try, though artists really aren't an area I know much about. GeneralNotability (talk) 01:16, 27 December 2021 (UTC)Reply

Hello GeneralNotability, I had the same thought, and am board with this plan to honor Possibly by developing his drafts and taking some to DYK. He was so productive - over 800 articles + stubs, all on interesting artists and topics, and such great work for Women in Red. I miss him terribly and am still in a state of shock that we will no longer witness his distinctive wit that would have me laughing out loud at some of his observations and commentary. There was an ethical core to his work, kind to newbies; fiercely maintaining the integrity of the 'pedia at COIN, fair and measured assessments at AfD. It would be a pleasure to help develop some of the stubs on artists. Where can a list of his drafts be found? Netherzone (talk) 01:56, 27 December 2021 (UTC)Reply

Netherzone, there are a handful at the bottom of his userpage - see "In progress" and "Has potential". I've started by leaving a few notes on Draft talk:Václav Jírů about sources, and Spicy has expanded Draft:Carolyn Crump a bit. GeneralNotability (talk) 14:48, 27 December 2021 (UTC)Reply

 

On 15 January 2022, Did you know was updated with a fact from the article Václav Jírů, which you recently created, substantially expanded, or brought to good article status. The fact was ... that the photographer Václav Jírů was sentenced to death for resisting the German occupation of Czechoslovakia and spent years in Nazi prisons? The nomination discussion and review may be seen at Template:Did you know nominations/Václav Jírů. You are welcome to check how many pageviews the nominated article or articles got while on the front page (here's how, Václav Jírů), and if they received a combined total of at least 416.7 views per hour (i.e., 5,000 views in 12 hours or 10,000 in 24), the hook may be added to the statistics page. Finally, if you know of an interesting fact from another recently created article, then please feel free to suggest it on the Did you know talk page.

DanCherek (talk) 15:19, 15 January 2022 (UTC)Reply

I just found out that we've lost you... Aww, that seriously sucks... I'm really going to miss you. It was great to interact with you, and I wish you all the happiness and love that anything out there could provide. May we meet again... :-( ~Oshwah~^{(talk) (contribs)} 06:42, 10 January 2022 (UTC)Reply

To the family of Possibly. I just read the message, that he has passed away. Possibly was a great editor, easy to work with, a great writer and one of the best people who fought against those who would do damage to the project. I'm really sorry to hear that and sad that he passed away. You have my condolences. I will miss him. scope_creep^Talk 10:00, 11 January 2022 (UTC)Reply

Liz Helpfuleconomist (talk) 19:59, 13 January 2022 (UTC)Reply

Tnt Helpfuleconomist (talk) 20:00, 13 January 2022 (UTC)Reply

Ched Helpfuleconomist (talk) 20:00, 13 January 2022 (UTC)Reply

Itcouldbepossible Helpfuleconomist (talk) 20:00, 13 January 2022 (UTC)Reply

Modernist Helpfuleconomist (talk) 20:01, 13 January 2022 (UTC)Reply

Justlettersandnumbers Helpfuleconomist (talk) 20:02, 13 January 2022 (UTC)Reply

Marnetted Helpfuleconomist (talk) 20:03, 13 January 2022 (UTC)Reply

Generalnobility Helpfuleconomist (talk) 20:03, 13 January 2022 (UTC)Reply

Netherzone Helpfuleconomist (talk) 20:04, 13 January 2022 (UTC)Reply

~Oshwah~ Helpfuleconomist (talk) 20:05, 13 January 2022 (UTC)Reply

I tried to tag everyone that shared condolences. Thank You for your kinds words.

If I missed anyone or didn’t tag any of you correctly please let me know. I tried posting earlier but didn’t realize having a URL wouldn’t allow to post. Helpfuleconomist (talk) 20:07, 13 January 2022 (UTC)Reply

Memorial service details for Saturday Jan 15 are now posted on the main talk page. If any would like to attend I look forward to meeting you. Helpfuleconomist (talk) 20:09, 13 January 2022 (UTC)Reply

Thank you for sharing the information, and hope some of us can join. I'm so sorry for your loss Star Mississippi 21:34, 13 January 2022 (UTC)Reply

• Helpfuleconomist Please allow me to add my voice, belatedly, to those above in offering you and your family my condolences. I just became aware of your uncle's death; I saw him around here a great deal, and we exchanged a few emails about behind-the-scenes stuff here - I had a huge regard for both the quantity and the quality of his contributions. I wish I had had the opportunity to know him in real life. Best wishes, Girth Summit _(blether) 18:52, 16 February 2022 (UTC)Reply

Can somebody update Years Active now? MMessine19 (talk) 21:35, 18 February 2022 (UTC)Reply

• Helpfuleconomist, I also wish to express my condolences to you and your family, having only recently visited Possibly's Talk page because I also noticed his absence. Possibly was a distinctive and insightful voice at AfD, and I felt so encouraged by his comments after he showed up on my Talk page to talk about an article I created and another we both worked on. After learning of his passing, I focused on work for the WiR Art+Activism event, in honor of his contributions. Beccaynr (talk) 16:38, 28 March 2022 (UTC)Reply

. Helpfuleconomist (talk) 19:52, 13 January 2022 (UTC)Reply

We will be having a memorial service Saturday if you would like to join.

Topic: Memorial for Daniel Jolliffe

Time: Jan 15, 2022 10:00 AM Eastern Time (US and Canada)

Zoom Id 65780876207 Helpfuleconomist (talk) 19:53, 13 January 2022 (UTC)Reply

@Helpfuleconomist Thanks for the invitation. Does the zoom ID has any password, or is it open to everyone? Itcouldbepossible^Talk 03:12, 14 January 2022 (UTC)Reply

@itcouldbepossible No password needed, just the login ID. Yes it’s open to anyone. Helpfuleconomist (talk) 03:28, 14 January 2022 (UTC)Reply

@Helpfuleconomist Sorry, won't be able to join, because I am from India, IST time zone, and it would be almost midnight by the time the program starts. I would really miss the memorial service. Itcouldbepossible^Talk 12:36, 15 January 2022 (UTC)Reply

Thanks for the kinds thoughts Itcouldbepossible Helpfuleconomist (talk) 07:59, 21 January 2022 (UTC)Reply

@Helpfuleconomist You are welcome. Itcouldbepossible^Talk 08:01, 21 January 2022 (UTC)Reply

 

Hello, Possibly. It has been over six months since you last edited the Articles for Creation submission or Draft page you started, "Clara Wheatley".

In accordance with our policy that Wikipedia is not for the indefinite hosting of material deemed unsuitable for the encyclopedia mainspace, the draft has been deleted. If you plan on working on it further and you wish to retrieve it, you can request its undeletion. An administrator will, in most cases, restore the submission so you can continue to work on it.

Thanks for your submission to Wikipedia, and happy editing. Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 21:06, 14 January 2022 (UTC)Reply

Does anyone know if Possibly's page needs to be further tweaked? He's in Category:Wikipedians who opt out of template messages which should have prevented Liz's note above, but it still came through. (No issue with Liz's message, I know she works through categories and this is semi automated, just curious if there's a way to handle this for deceased users. Star Mississippi 00:54, 15 January 2022 (UTC)Reply

@Star Mississippi @Liz This draft for Clara Wheatley can be deleted because she is the same person as Clara Pope (maiden name confusion) - see discussion above from December 14. The Clara Pope article is in article space. I will see if there is anything from the draft that can be merged.- Netherzone (talk) 01:41, 15 January 2022 (UTC)Reply

Oops, never mind, I see that it's already been merged. Netherzone (talk) 01:42, 15 January 2022 (UTC)Reply

Thanks @Netherzone, I had missed the prior one and restored it only to find the same. I'm not sure what the current thinking on draft/mainspace redirects is, happy to delete it if it shouldn't exist. Star Mississippi 01:49, 15 January 2022 (UTC)Reply

 

Hello, Possibly. It has been over six months since you last edited the Articles for Creation submission or Draft page you started, "Jacinda Russell".

In accordance with our policy that Wikipedia is not for the indefinite hosting of material deemed unsuitable for the encyclopedia mainspace, the draft has been deleted. If you plan on working on it further and you wish to retrieve it, you can request its undeletion. An administrator will, in most cases, restore the submission so you can continue to work on it.

Thanks for your submission to Wikipedia, and happy editing. Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 01:04, 27 January 2022 (UTC)Reply

Hello @Liz - is it possible to undelete this draft? I can work on it in my user space to develop it. I think there may be notability here, as Possibly's articles & stubs (and I'm assuming drafts) on artists were well researched esp. in relation to artists being in notable museum collections. I'm pretty sure I can improve the draft if that is possible. Thank you in advance. Netherzone (talk) 01:23, 27 January 2022 (UTC)Reply

If Liz isn't online right now, I'm also happy to restore if you want the attribution to honor Possibly (which I love too), but this is the total article (one edit)

Jacinda Russell is an American artist.

https://emuseum.mfah.org/objects/149054/imogen-cunningham-received-and-returned?ctx=e6dfbea365b88ab619f23236a2a451575b6aab1a&idx=16 Star Mississippi 02:20, 27 January 2022 (UTC)Reply

@Star Mississippi hello - and thanks for the quick response. No need to save the draft, I'll just copy the info to my to do list. Liz, no need to restore the draft. Thank you both! Netherzone (talk) 02:26, 27 January 2022 (UTC)Reply

 

Hello, Possibly. It has been over six months since you last edited the Articles for Creation submission or Draft page you started, "Baek Seung Woo".

In accordance with our policy that Wikipedia is not for the indefinite hosting of material deemed unsuitable for the encyclopedia mainspace, the draft has been deleted. If you plan on working on it further and you wish to retrieve it, you can request its undeletion. An administrator will, in most cases, restore the submission so you can continue to work on it.

Thanks for your submission to Wikipedia, and happy editing. Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 03:41, 27 January 2022 (UTC)Reply

• @Netherzone: I've restored this one, there's substance that Possibly had time to add, and looks like he might meet N:ARTIST. Courtesy @Liz: on the why Star Mississippi 14:21, 27 January 2022 (UTC)Reply

  Thank you both! Baek Seung Woo does meet NARTIST because of the museum collections, and I'm finding press coverage in RS to pass GNG, for example [4]. Will improve the draft and move to main space. However, after searching earlier this morning, I'm having difficulty finding independent coverage of Jacinda Russell - she's in only one collection, and I'm not finding press coverage. My sense is it is TOOSOON for an article at this time, but I will keep it on my To Do list as an artist to watch. Netherzone (talk) 14:33, 27 January 2022 (UTC)Reply

  We were researching in tandem. I think Back is probably nearly mainspace ready. I don't know any Korean-speaking editors offhand, but they could definitely flesh it out. His Blow up series seems amazing when I saw the context. I know the automated notices will land where they will, but what do you think of making a section of Possibly's talk of these restored articles that we (and others?) are adopting? I watch this page so should catch most notifications, but consider me willing to restore any of his expired drafts and ping me if I miss one. Even in cases like Russell, I'm guessing he was using them as a sort of to do as he determined whether they were notable or not. Star Mississippi 14:44, 27 January 2022 (UTC)Reply

  Seems we have two artists with similar names - Baek Seung Woo and Back Seung Woo. I think you are right that the surname is actually Back based on the collections in the original draft. Thanks for working together on these drafts! Netherzone (talk) 14:54, 27 January 2022 (UTC)Reply

  and thanks @Spicy for moving it! Love that we can keep Possibly's work and research alive. Star Mississippi 15:54, 27 January 2022 (UTC)Reply

  Thank you @Spicy for moving it to article space. Yes it's great that there are several editors working on the drafts and improving the stubs, and keeping his legacy alive. Ever onward... Netherzone (talk) 16:07, 27 January 2022 (UTC)Reply

from here and here I've pulled together the following drafts that he was working on before he died. No comment on merit yet or whether some might be too soon, just pulling this together as a possible working list:

cc @Netherzone Star Mississippi 16:15, 27 January 2022 (UTC)Reply

Excellent! Thanks for putting this list together. I'm working this afternoon at my day job, but will have a look at these in the next few days. Netherzone (talk) 16:20, 27 January 2022 (UTC)Reply

Same. No time at the immediate moment to do anything but save the ones on the cusp of imminent expiration. Have a great day Star Mississippi 16:41, 27 January 2022 (UTC)Reply

• Draft:Masahiro Hara - currently working on this one, seems clearly notable and an easy mainspace move once I add sourcing. Star Mississippi 15:32, 30 January 2022 (UTC)Reply

  There is enough to substantiate a stand-alone article on him. I started to review the citations, and it's clear some are about him - the person behind the QR code. If enough biographic material can be found, it's DYK material. Netherzone (talk) 22:59, 30 January 2022 (UTC)Reply

  I've added more, I think it's ready for main now. CT55555 (talk) 05:02, 20 March 2022 (UTC)Reply

• Draft:Caterina Angiola Pieroncini - I've expanded some. There's a surprising amount known about this 17th century lady in waiting. Unclear yet if it adds up to notability. Star Mississippi 02:43, 1 February 2022 (UTC)Reply
• Draft:Summer A. Smith - this one is thin. I think there might be some sourcing around the Sotheby's sale but if not, not sure it makes it. Only one collection, although it's prominent one. Star Mississippi 00:48, 31 January 2022 (UTC)Reply

  I added a little, noting Summer is a woman (as per book that lists her as one of only 18 women photographers working in Pennsylvania prior to 1870. CT55555 (talk) 05:48, 20 March 2022 (UTC)Reply

  I think she is an important figure, as per WP:ARTISTS on the basis of being a pioneer of daguerrotype photography and being highly unusual as a women photographer in that era, would you support me moving to main space? CT55555 (talk) 06:16, 20 March 2022 (UTC)Reply

  I agree she is important for those reasons. I've just added an example of her work. Think we should try to find one more museum collection before moving to main space. WP:NARTIST criteria #4 states that the artists work is represented in several notable museum collections. In discussions with other editors over the years that means 2 or more collections. There have been instances where this has not been the case, but that was because the artist met WP:GNG. I don't know that Smith meets GNG yet, but it would not surprise me if she is in books or in journal articles on the history of photography. Netherzone (talk) 14:12, 20 March 2022 (UTC)Reply

  Actually, I just now saw that she is in Palmquist, Peter E.; Kailbourn, Thomas R. (2005). Pioneer Photographers from the Mississippi to the Continental Divide: A Biographical Dictionary, 1839-1865. Stanford University Press. p. 558. ISBN 978-0-8047-4057-9. (I inadvertently overlooked that ref. in my note above.) So she meets WP:ANYBIO. And since she is also listed in: John S. Craig's Daguerreian Registry: Pioneers and progress, MacDonald to Zuky (1994) [5] - I think it is indeed safe to move to main space! Netherzone (talk) 14:35, 20 March 2022 (UTC)Reply

  Absolutely go for it @CT55555. The only gatekeeping I'm doing is keeping any of Possibly's work out of G13 territory. All edits/moves are very much welcome. @Netherzone what was the article about the Australian artist you were working on that Possibly had started? CT has found some great sourcing and can maybe help us find more that's not the connected obituary? Star Mississippi 14:56, 20 March 2022 (UTC)Reply

  @Star Mississippi that was Karen Casey (artist). Yes, @CT55555, I agree that your work and research has been stellar! Thank you so much for your work on this project - your research skills are excellent. Netherzone (talk) 15:01, 20 March 2022 (UTC)Reply

• Draft:Castle Ten Berghe - based on nl:Kasteel Ten Berghe, it's almost certainly notable based on age, history as it's a 13th century building. Alas I cannot find any English-language sourcing and don't read Dutch. Wonder if Fram or any others who speak either language might be able to help. I've made a dummy edit to save it, so it's not time sensitive. Star Mississippi 15:32, 30 January 2022 (UTC)Reply

  I too think there is notability here that can be discovered. Here is a rough machine translation from the Dutch WP article (as I don't speak Dutch):

  The castle was first mentioned in 1267 and was the seat of a lordship. The owners were successively the families Walhier (until 1390), Van Rooden (until 1482), Despaers (until 1610), de Croeser de Berges (until the beginning of the 19th century) and van Caloen (until the present).

  In 1490 the castle was burned down by the troops of Engelbrecht II of Nassau, during the Flemish Revolt against Maximilian.

  In 1877 the castle was completely renovated and enlarged in neo-Gothic style. Architect was Joseph Schadde. During this action, among other things, the farmyard was completely demolished and rebuilt in the aforementioned style.

  In 2003-2004 the castle was converted into a bed & breakfast.

  The castle is located in a private domain, which is designed in an English landscape style. This domain includes an ice cellar and a small Gloriette. It is available for events.

  Note: The citation in the Dutch article has what looks like substantial info [6]. So far all I can find in English are travel booking sites which don't validate notability. There is a similarly named castle near Rotterdam in the Netherlands, known as Huis ten Berges - which is a different castle, as this one is near Bruges, Belgium. Netherzone (talk) 16:08, 30 January 2022 (UTC)Reply

  Thank you! Especially with the architect of the restoration, we should be able to find something Star Mississippi 17:13, 30 January 2022 (UTC)Reply

  Another castle with a similar name is Tieghem de Ten Berghe Castle near Ghent. (to avoid confusion when searching) Netherzone (talk) 17:24, 30 January 2022 (UTC)Reply

  I've struggled to find good sourcing about the castle online. Its library comes up quite a lot in citations in books about music - I get the impression that there is a substantial collection of old manuscripts there. I don't have any doubt that it's notable however - the Flanders Inventory of Immovable Heritage says that it is designated as established architectural heritage and as a protected monument. Their online documents have substantial chunks of descriptive prose, so this satisfies the first criterion of WP:NBUILD. Plus, the listing documents have a bibliography: I don't imagine that the libraries I have access to here in York would contain copies of those sources, and my attempts to find copies online have been fruitless, but someone could access them, so I think the question of notability is satisfied. I'm going to work this up based on the online sources we have available now. Nice to see there's an image in the Dutch version too. Girth Summit _(blether) 15:10, 20 February 2022 (UTC)Reply

  Star Mississippi, Netherzone - please see Castle Ten Berghe. There's a bit more I can add to the description using the government sources, but I'm out of time tonight - I'll try to get onto that in the next few days, but I think this is good enough for article space as it stands. Cheers Girth Summit _(blether) 17:31, 20 February 2022 (UTC)Reply

  Great timing @Girth Summit. I was watching the changes as you made them and was going to come to say the same re: main space. Nicely done. I'm happy to move it now, but will wait if you want to be the one do so for DYK or other needs. Star Mississippi 17:40, 20 February 2022 (UTC)Reply

  A DYK is an interesting idea; I wondered if they'd accept a posthumous conom with Possibly. I'll see if I can think of a decent hook. Girth Summit _(blether) 10:23, 21 February 2022 (UTC)Reply

  Let me know if you nominate it, would love to follow the process. Star Mississippi 15:23, 21 February 2022 (UTC)Reply

  Star Mississippi sorry, I missed this request - I nominated it, and it's already been reviewed and promoted - fastest I've ever seen a hook go through! See the article's talk page. Girth Summit _(blether) 11:06, 23 February 2022 (UTC)Reply

  So glad to see this will run on the main page! Netherzone (talk) 13:26, 23 February 2022 (UTC)Reply

  awesome. Well done all around and congrats to you especially. So glad you joined this draft rescue party. And not to worry, it was totally self-serving. RoySmith had mentioned DYK to me for something and I'm about ten years removed from any familiarity with the process so just wanted to observe. We'll just have to get another Possibly draft there :D Star Mississippi 14:16, 23 February 2022 (UTC)Reply

  I'm pretty well-versed with the process now - I can talk you through it next time and you can make the next nom. Girth Summit _(blether) 20:51, 23 February 2022 (UTC)Reply

  Girth Summit, the article on the castle looks great! No concerns about notability; if I find additional sources will add them. Netherzone (talk) 17:49, 20 February 2022 (UTC)Reply

• Draft:Die Photographische Sammlung - I believe it's notable, but English sourcing is thin and mostly about the artist, such as this piece. Propose a redirect to August_Sander#Legacy unless a German-speaking editor has time/inclination Star Mississippi 00:53, 2 February 2022 (UTC)Reply

  I can read a little German, but am no where near fluent. In the next few days I'll look around online to see if there has been enough written about this museum to support an article. Generally I think of museums as notable, even small regional museums. Wikipedia:WikiProject Museums/Guideline states that it could be redirected to the city where the museum is located, Small notable museums could have their own articles, but if there is no more than a couple of paragraphs that could be said about the museum it may be best practice to merge the museum article into the location article., so if not enough sourcing turns up, we have two good options, redirect to August_Sander#Legacy as you suggest, and/or add it to this list article: List of museums in Cologne. Netherzone (talk) 01:10, 2 February 2022 (UTC)Reply

  Thanks! Either plan sounds good. It looks like there was a German article, but it's long-deleted so of no assistance source wise. From what I saw in Books, News, there's likely enough material to discuss the museum in either / both locations. I think my brain went to Sander first since it came out of his collection, but undoubtedly part of Cologne's cultural fabric as well. Wish Possibly's unfinished art interests were Spanish, Italian or Japanese where my language skills are slightly more useful. :) Star Mississippi 01:34, 2 February 2022 (UTC)Reply

  Good idea! I haven't yet looked at Books or News, just a general Google search. It sounds hopeful. One thing we knew about Possibly, is that he had a keen understanding of the arts and notability. It's good to know that you have skills in Japanese - I was just working on the Masahiro Hara stub, and was thinking how great it would be if someone could have a look at the QR code article in Japanese WP to see if there is content or citations there that could be used to improve the draft. BTW, I'm usually in the Eastern Standard zone, but also spend time in Mountain Time, usually around holidays or summer. Have a good evening! Netherzone (talk) 01:45, 2 February 2022 (UTC)Reply

  Absolutely. That's why I said in one of the threads above that I wouldn't hesitate to restore any expired Possibly draft because I knew he did his own G7 housecleaning when he realized he couldn't find enough on a subject. The only reason any of these were deleted were G13 clock, which is why I decided to save us all the deletion/restoration steps and see which ones were still in limbo. My Japanese is rusty, but I can navigate most digitized sources and can go much more easily from Japanese to English. That's part of why I think Anrakuji (below) will make it although English-language sourcing isn't quite up to snuff. I'll look at Hara and see what else I can find on both subjects in the next few days. Also Eastern Time, but not always on Wiki in the morning. Or at this time. Today was a weird day, edit clock wise. Star Mississippi 02:15, 2 February 2022 (UTC)Reply

  Die Photographische Sammlung/SK Stiftung Kultur is live :-) CT55555(talk) 16:01, 16 December 2022 (UTC)Reply

  Nice work you two! The article looks great. Was this an expired draft? Netherzone (talk) 17:18, 16 December 2022 (UTC)Reply

  Yes. We lost track of that one and Draft:Caterina Angiola Pieroncini. I think she's the only draft left that isn't in mainspace or otherwise handled. Go us!

  Thankfully @Liz auto posts when she actions a G13 so if there are any others, we'll catch and restore. Star Mississippi 17:38, 16 December 2022 (UTC)Reply

  Oh right...the Caterina Angiola Pieroncini draft. If I'm not mistaken we only have refs that are written by the one author. I tend to think she is notable; do you think she would survive AfD? Thank you to Liz for the notifications, and for both Star and CT5s efforts in keeping this work going. Netherzone (talk) 18:00, 16 December 2022 (UTC)Reply

  Exactly, only two sources, both by the same writer. As someone who leans towards inclusion, I don't think it passes WP:GNG and I think it could go either way at AFD. I personally would move it to main space if I found one more source. CT55555(talk) 18:02, 16 December 2022 (UTC)Reply

  I just found another book source, by Pino, another author, and added it to the article. This helped to confirm a date, and another detail. However that paragraph on page 219 is footnoted (ft #81) to Modesti. So it's unclear to me if this would be considered a second source. Netherzone (talk) 18:19, 16 December 2022 (UTC)Reply

  We have multiple sources, the are reliable and independent, we have enough material to write more than a stub, it's not a living person, it's not promotional in any way, to me, this passes and the encyclopaedia is better with it in. I am tempted to move to main space, I will pause in case anyone disagrees. CT55555(talk) 18:22, 16 December 2022 (UTC)Reply

  CT5, I'm with you on this. The fact that a woman, who lived in the 17th century who obviously was an important part of textile history in her milieux, and has been written about in reliable sources that are vetted, is evidence of her notability. If they were a 21st C. TikTok influencer with two social media sources, I would question the notability. (Does that make me a luddite, ha ha!?) Any thoughts Star Mississippi on whether you think it would survive if it were nominated for deletion? Netherzone (talk) 18:31, 16 December 2022 (UTC)Reply

  @CT55555@Netherzone with my personal, editor hat: I'm the queen of IAR when it comes to what is realistically going to be available for a centuries old person, especially a woman or other underrepresented demographic. Or luddite in your example.

  Even with Wikipedia Library and the like, we don't have access to everything that exists. "Sources exist" makes me crazy for 20th-21st century topics because if they do, especially if someone who was active in an are where English language media took note, you can find them. If you can't, they probably don't actually exist. But in this case, the fact that pieces of her life and work were documented indicates to me that she was noteworthy. There isn't anything wrong with a permastub. I'd absolutely support mainspacing. If we can prevent it being tagged as an orphan, the only potential tag I see applying, it should stay off the radar of editors like me who are patrolling backlogs. Obviously in this case knowing history I wouldn't AfD but you know of the ones I've flagged for you & Cunard, Netherzone. Star Mississippi 18:54, 16 December 2022 (UTC)Reply

  De-orphaned! Thanks to CT for moving it to mainspace. Star, I found the Pino book by searching on Google Italy - I did not see it when googling on Google English. Netherzone (talk) 19:11, 16 December 2022 (UTC)Reply

  whee! We're going to have to find more articles to collaborate on, because we do make a good team. I do promise to work on syntax skills before then though. Research though? Absolutely! Star Mississippi 19:16, 16 December 2022 (UTC)Reply

• To me this is a lot like the Women in Red work and Article Rescue Squadron work that I do. Ironically therefore I find myself doing similar work for a very esteemed group and also one that seems to be a criticism magnet, but I enjoy the paradox.

  I enjoy collaborating with you both and so if we should start WikiProject: Obscure Culture and Arts Biographies, I'm down.

  Or maybe someone wants to start a more informal list somewhere...?  :-) CT55555(talk) 19:22, 16 December 2022 (UTC)Reply

  Or WikiProject: Possibly Notable? CT55555(talk) 19:22, 16 December 2022 (UTC)Reply

  Possibly Notable...that's a good one! Netherzone (talk) 19:24, 16 December 2022 (UTC)Reply

  Collaborations can be tracked here:

  User:CT55555/PossiblyNotable CT55555(talk) 19:26, 16 December 2022 (UTC)Reply

  I agree we make a good team! I noticed that CT55555 posted this on the article talk page: https://www.proquest.com/openview/aba2ebbdf7eb5f48f2da9bb77977689d/1?pq-origsite=gscholar&cbl=18750

  I know I used to have access to ProQuest, but I can't remember if it was through WikiPedia or thru the university where I work, or some other gateway. I tried searching for it on the WP:LIBRARY but could not find it... any thoughts how we might get access? Netherzone (talk) 19:22, 16 December 2022 (UTC)Reply

  I have since gained access and it was not useful. CT55555(talk) 19:24, 16 December 2022 (UTC)Reply

  Thanks for checking it out CT. I hope this does not sound weird, but I recently learned that we lost another great Wikipedian who I admired, User:Kent G. Budge. He was a geologist who created many articles on geology [7] and also wrote on New Mexico, and made several contributions to Commons. He helped me out with hot springs articles, and I learned a lot from him. I was going to see what I might be able to improve or if there were any unfinished drafts. However, I forgot how to search specifically for drafts.... Netherzone (talk) 19:30, 16 December 2022 (UTC)Reply

  Let me know, I've done a ton of articles on mines, mining history and mining companies and recently a couple on meteors so it's a topic I am comfortable with. i.e. tag me on anything I can help with, or add it to the User:CT55555/PossiblyNotable list! CT55555(talk) 19:32, 16 December 2022 (UTC)Reply

  Yes, CT, I realize that you have an interest in mining which is one of the reasons I mention it. Also, you and I have an interest in the environmental legacy of uranium mining and Kent was critical of the disadvantages of nuclear energy and proliferation, even though I'm pretty sure he worked at Los Alamos National Labs. From his blog: [8] Netherzone (talk) 19:38, 16 December 2022 (UTC)Reply

  I'm personally unsure about nuclear (unsure meaning maybe it's good, maybe it's bad, probably it's complicated) so writing articles about it and getting more info accessible helps me understand things better and I hope leads to a better informed public. CT55555(talk) 19:43, 16 December 2022 (UTC)Reply

  Agreed. Netherzone (talk) 19:49, 16 December 2022 (UTC)Reply

  I am always down for obscure arts & culture bios, as well as "it's a tiny museum, but people outside the town have taken note, and maybe we should too" or the intersection thereof. Their donors too. I'm actually guessing that Jean-Nickolaus Tretter will eventually be merged, but it so bugged me to so often see him as a redlink.

  I feel like ARS gets a bad rep, but also has some unfair constraints. There's a huge difference between "this is a viable draft, and I'm willing to work on it to get it to mainspace" and "we need a decision in seven days". The latter of which leads to "It's notable!" and the like, which causes drama. There are many active editors in ARS and nowhere near enough time to properly assess the articles at AfD - I say as an AfD patroller who sees too many with maybe one participant and often they're just making a comment. That's not the way to functionally assess articles. /rant.

  But CT, I think I should put you on my ping list with Netherzone and Cunard. Generally prompted by "I know there's merit here, but if it doesn't get out of this backlog it's going to be nominated". I think my personal favorite was Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Rhea Kewalramani where I was the nom and "canvassed" WiR and Cunard in hoping they could save it because I wanted her to be notable. You did too, CT. Star Mississippi 20:27, 16 December 2022 (UTC)Reply

  Star, I had a look at the Tretter article, I think he is notable based on the current sourcing and other things I saw online such as Minnesota Public Radio News and others. I added an infobox and photo.

  Re: ARS, I have feelings both ways - that they do good service to the encyclopedia, but there have been problems with pile-on !voting at AfDs. IMHO, I think the notion that there are inclusionists and deletionists is not productive to the culture of the encyclopedia. I've been accused of being both. I think of AfD sort of like a recycling center....SAVE the useful items that can be given new life, and TOSS out the stuff that's not up to snuff. It doesn't ever have to get personal or political. My rant for the day :) I really enjoy working with you both, and appreciate all you do for the encyclopedia. Netherzone (talk) 21:32, 16 December 2022 (UTC)Reply

  Thanks for the peek at Tretter!

  Same. And same. I have definitely skirted N:ORG when it comes to museums, but am mindful of the line that got another established editor sanctioned. I also think - similar to a long dead lace worker & BLP - there's a difference between promoting a for-profit company and an arts (broadly speaking, not just visual) organization which gives back to its attendees.

  And likewise. We do some good work. I think there are a number of editors similar to us who have a nose for "this is viable". We just need to find one another. Star Mississippi 03:59, 17 December 2022 (UTC)Reply

  I think I might just have punted Jean-Nickolaus Tretter well into the safe zone. CT55555(talk) 04:42, 17 December 2022 (UTC)Reply

  And beyond! Thank you so much.

  I think you both know this, but in case not. If there's ever a promising redirect or something that's G13'ed, just ping me. Happy to restore as I fully agree with @Liz below, we're only making things better. Star Mississippi 14:21, 17 December 2022 (UTC)Reply

  Nice work on this: Die Photographische Sammlung/SK Stiftung Kultur. Possibly was very systematic about determining notability for artists, I learned a great deal from him. Also about how AfD works. What a legacy he left the world! Netherzone (talk) 16:36, 17 December 2022 (UTC)Reply

• Draft:Marie Poterlet - needs a French speaker's help Star Mississippi 02:43, 1 February 2022 (UTC)Reply

  I found this https://hal.archives-ouvertes.fr/hal-01439838/document have aded it in. The authors call him Victor Poterlet, but get his date of birth, profession and every other detail perfectly correct, so I'm certain it's him. Now the question is: has notability been established. Without having seen the offline sources, I don't know. CT55555 (talk) 20:11, 3 June 2022 (UTC)Reply

  I added a second notable museum collection, it now is a clear pass of WP:NARTIST. Netherzone (talk) 00:16, 4 June 2022 (UTC)Reply

  nicely done both! Star Mississippi 01:56, 4 June 2022 (UTC)Reply

• Draft:Index of American Design - wow, I cannot believe this didn't exist. The Index is an amazing project. It needs some copyediting, but I'm going to main space this right now. Star Mississippi 17:18, 31 January 2022 (UTC)Reply
• Draft:Romualdo Alinari

  I have started to develop this draft, and am thinking that it should be merged into the existing article Fratelli Alinari since he worked for most of his life in collaboration with his two brothers Leonardo and Guiseppe under the studio & publishing house name Fratelli Alinari (The Alinari Brothers). Some of the works in collections mention each brother's works separately (such as the Mus. of Fine Arts Houston that owns a lot of their work) however I am mainly finding sources for the Fratelli Alinari as a collaborative team. Feedback...? Netherzone (talk) 20:00, 30 January 2022 (UTC)Reply

  My searches brought the same findings as yours. I don't think a merger diminishes his presence and would gather readers likely looking for information about his work in context as well, so this would help. Star Mississippi 00:43, 31 January 2022 (UTC)Reply

    Done - I think this draft can be safely deleted now, as the content has been merged into the Fratelli Alinari article (which can be further improved - there's lots of info out there). The three brothers worked as a team sharing authorship of many of their images. I've also started a gallery section in that article where a few additional images could be added for which the brothers claimed individual authorship, if that's relevant for our readers. Netherzone (talk) 14:56, 31 January 2022 (UTC)Reply

  Does it need to be preserved for attribution? I'm not sure on that. Happy to redirect to the article, or delete as appropriate. Star Mississippi 17:00, 31 January 2022 (UTC)Reply

  Not 100% sure either but think it's a good idea to err on the side of clarity. I mentioned the draft in these two edit summaries [9], [10], and will post a message on the article talk page as suggested at WP:CWW, that parts of the Fratelli Alinari article was Copied content from [[<page name>]]; see that page's history for attribution. If anyone wants to view that history, then it would make sense to keep the draft somewhere so the link is intact. (Or since the draft was short, perhaps it would be ok to copying the draft to the article talk page along with the message?) Thanks for you help with this. Netherzone (talk) 17:33, 31 January 2022 (UTC)Reply

  I think given your edit summaries and the CWW advice, it makes sense to redirect the draft. I've also created a mainspace redirection for all the reasons you outlined above @Netherzone as I imagine others are researching him. Thanks for this tag team, I love how we're naturally dividing and conquering. Star Mississippi 17:39, 31 January 2022 (UTC)Reply

  Agreed! It's been a wonderful experience to work together on this and the other drafts. Ever onward....! Netherzone (talk) 17:41, 31 January 2022 (UTC)Reply

  Thanks for the cleanup on Index of American Design. There will be a day I know all the pieces. That day isn't today. Have a good night! Star Mississippi 02:14, 1 February 2022 (UTC)Reply

• Draft:Ian Finkel (dummy edit done)

  I think Ian Finkel is fine for article space based on sourcing, in particular the NYT obit and the Biographic Dictionary entry he meets notability of WP:ANYBIO criteria 2 & 3. Netherzone (talk) 18:20, 30 January 2022 (UTC)Reply

  I was just going to say that, between the book you found earlier today and the initial obit that Possibly was working from. I'm going to mainspace it momentarily. Side note, love your edit summaries, especially the bingo! when you found what you were looking for Star Mississippi 23:29, 30 January 2022 (UTC)Reply

Jacinda Russell now in mainspace, passes GNG. Netherzone (talk) 18:25, 14 February 2022 (UTC)Reply

• Draft:Jacinda Russell - stalled and deleted on January 27, 2022. (I found it listed on his user page under: "In progress").

  This morning I created a sandbox to see if it could be developed and think it may have potential. Link to sandbox User:Netherzone/sandbox/Jacinda Russell. Russell is an emerging photographer, her work is verifiably in the collection of the Museum of Fine Arts Houston. I found two good sources that state that she is also in the collection of the Center for Creative Photography, which would put her over the notability bar for WP:NARTIST [11], [12] but I was unable to verify this collection on the Center's website. However, not all institutions digitize the entirety of their holdings. I would not be surprised if she is indeed in their collection, as she received a research grant from them. Seeking feedback from Star Mississippi, Spicy and any other editors working on Possibly's drafts. I don't mind incubating it my userspace if consensus is that it is not yet ready for mainspace. Thanks in advance for feedback! Netherzone (talk) 17:22, 5 February 2022 (UTC)Reply

  I personally think draftspace is better than userspace since others can stumble upon it if they find the redlink in mainspace, but no objection to wherever you find it easiest to work on. Oh, just realized you're asking main v draft, not draft v. user. Never mind me. I think if we have the six month clock running again, try to find a source before risking AfD? Star Mississippi 18:28, 5 February 2022 (UTC)Reply

Courtesy ping to Lopifalko. Netherzone (talk) 17:24, 5 February 2022 (UTC)Reply

• Draft:Defossé & Karth (about to be stale, I just dummy edited this one)

  Sources and collections exist. (this was a comment from Netherzone)

  Star Mississippi, I worked on this one this morning, and if you agree, I think it is safe to move to main space. The firm meets notability criteria for art as their work is held in the permanent collections of several notable museums, therefore meets WP:NARTIST. I also added a couple mentions in journal articles. I am pretty sure they also meet WP:NCORP as their firm operated for many years, with coverage in multiple independent sources. Many hits for "Defosse et Karth" on Google Books. Sources also exist in French which could be added, but it will take me a while to go through those (my French is way, way, way out of practice). Netherzone (talk) 15:37, 1 February 2022 (UTC)Reply

  @Spicy, thank you for moving this to main space! Netherzone (talk) 16:05, 1 February 2022 (UTC)Reply

  Thank you both! Sorry, I didn't see your note until now, Netherzone and amazing research/work. You are extremely familiar with the art related notability guidelines and not sure we're in the same time zone, so feel free to move when you feel it's ready. Happy to help, but don't want to hold you up. Since these were caught before they were deleted, it shouldn't need any special access to be moved. Teamwork continues! Star Mississippi 18:03, 1 February 2022 (UTC)Reply

• Draft:Emi Anrakuji - working on this. It's thin but she might skate by Star Mississippi 00:53, 2 February 2022 (UTC). Addendum, no longer thin. Thanks @Lopifalko: for all your help there. This one definitely will be fine. Star Mississippi 14:09, 3 February 2022 (UTC)Reply

  @Star Mississippi, @Lopifalko, it looks ready for main space. I think it is ok to AGF that she is in the Peabody-Essex collection; not all museums digitize all of their collection holdings. The other collection is verifiable; and she has won a notable award. Great work on this draft! Netherzone (talk) 14:22, 3 February 2022 (UTC)Reply

These were in user space per User:Possibly#Has_potential to avoid G13 per his Talk. Adopting them here

• User:Possibly/Cassandra Zampini. ETA mainspace now, major thanks to CT55555 Star Mississippi 02:07, 15 March 2022 (UTC)Reply
• User:Possibly/Andrea Booher - (Star working on this as of 2/16). ETA I just moved this to draft space. No G13 issues and is probably almost mainspace ready. Star Mississippi 22:48, 16 February 2022 (UTC) ETA forgot about this, just moved to mainspace now. It could use tweaking, but isn't at risk of AfD. Star Mississippi 02:55, 10 March 2022 (UTC)Reply

These two he didn't start but noted sourcing:

• Abby Davis Munro and her papers
• Mary Jane Hale Welles, her bio

Star Mississippi 22:30, 16 February 2022 (UTC)Reply

I created Mary Jane Hale Welles CT55555 (talk) 21:07, 20 March 2022 (UTC)Reply

I also just created the Abby David Munro page CT55555 (talk) 03:52, 21 March 2022 (UTC)Reply

Great work on these two new articles! Netherzone (talk) 03:56, 21 March 2022 (UTC)Reply

Thank you! So glad to have "met" you both through this Possibly project. All of these articles truly add to the encyclopedia. Makes me miss Possibly even more. He had a nose for "this could be a good article" Star Mississippi 13:43, 21 March 2022 (UTC)Reply

It was a pleasure to complete what had been started, I'm always happy to work to address the gender gap on Wikipedia, and all the other equity gaps, so if you see any other ideas for articles, please let me know. (That applies to anyone else reading this). CT55555 (talk) 20:54, 21 March 2022 (UTC)Reply

Copyright-free image of Munro: [13]

Welles' archives located here: [14]; portrait of her [15]

Netherzone (talk) 23:05, 16 February 2022 (UTC)Reply

@CT55555 and @Star Mississippi, I found another draft that was in Possibly's user space on a Zimbabwean-British architect/artist/designer. I improved the article by finding and adding sources to unsourced content, and adding several more notable awards. Altho I could not yet find any museum collections per NARTIST I'm convinced he meets notability criteria based on multiple notable awards and fulfilling GNG. I went ahead and moved it to Article Space, hope that's ok with you both. Happy new year to you both, and thanks for being such great collaborators! Netherzone (talk) 18:59, 31 December 2022 (UTC)Reply

It looks great @Netherzone! Glad you found it to work on it. I wonder if there are other works in progress we should check on. Hope your year is off to a great start. Star Mississippi 14:31, 2 January 2023 (UTC)Reply

There are three left to translate here: User:Possibly/To Translate. My French is not great (much to the horror of my relatives), but perhaps if we work as a team... Netherzone (talk) 14:43, 2 January 2023 (UTC)Reply

I will say Annette Abrard is going to be a challenge. There's a woman named Annette who is a travel writer and google is very helpfully suggesting Annette went abroad. :-) Star Mississippi 04:16, 3 January 2023 (UTC)Reply

I went to start a draft, but found it had been started before. I have just requested undeletion. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Requests_for_undeletion#Draft:Annette_Abrard CT55555(talk) 14:24, 3 January 2023 (UTC)Reply

Done @CT55555. I left the AfC headers the draftify script autopopulates, but obviously you don't have to go through that. Star Mississippi 14:32, 3 January 2023 (UTC)Reply

Her work is in the collection of a French museum. I think it is a notable museum, so am trying to establish that, which can make it easier to prove she is notable. Any help from you or @Netherzone on that draft would help:

Draft:Municipal Museum of Bourg-en-Bresse CT55555(talk) 15:53, 3 January 2023 (UTC)Reply

Regarding: Draft:Annette Abrard I think the only hope of a pass at WP:NARTIST is if her work was exhibited in two notable museums. I think I've proven that Municipal Museum of Bourg-en-Bresse is notable and she has three works there, but I cannot find another. Current assessment: she doesn't meet notability criteria. If we found her work in another permanent collection, she would meet WP:NARTIST. CT55555(talk) 18:31, 3 January 2023 (UTC)Reply

Agreed. I've been looking for another collection or two but am coming up cold. I'm keeping it on my to do list in the event that something turns up in the way of other collections. I am wondering if some of the smaller regional museums in the Auvergne-Rhône-Alpes region might have any of her works. Altho often smaller regional museums seldom have their entire collections on line, if at all. Nice work on the draft, tho! Netherzone (talk) 18:42, 3 January 2023 (UTC)Reply

Some museums in that area are listed here: List of museums in France Netherzone (talk) 18:43, 3 January 2023 (UTC)Reply

I didn't do that much to the draft, it is mostly Possibly's work that was WP:REFUNDed by Star Mississippi. CT55555(talk) 18:50, 3 January 2023 (UTC)Reply

Of course, if any of us felt like the century and the level of gender discrimination back then would justify a WP:IAR argument that she was notable, it could be moved to mainspace. I'm personally thinking that one over...is the encyclopedia better or worse for this article being in mainspace? Hmmm... CT55555(talk) 18:53, 3 January 2023 (UTC)Reply

I hear you! I wish we knew just a little more about her work other than the three still life paintings. The draft will be around for at the very least 6 more months, and there are no deadlines. It's great that this resulted in a nice new article on a notable museum. Netherzone (talk) 19:01, 3 January 2023 (UTC)Reply

I made some minor edits, but could not find any more content to add. Thanks for the ping. Happy New Year! CT55555(talk) 14:43, 2 January 2023 (UTC)Reply

Thérèse-Mirza_Allix has an article on French WP. Thérèse-Mirza_Allix. She is in Benezit, which to most is considered a clear pass of criterion #3 of WP:ANYBIO. I had to look at an archived hard copy of Benezit Dictionary of Artists to verify that, because online access is temporarily down on the WP Library.

It seems she is also in this dictionary of artists: Dictionnaire général des artistes de l'école française depuis l'origine des arts du dessin jusqu'en 1882 (IA gri 33125009510492).pdf Dictionnaire général des artistes de l'école française depuis l'origine des arts du dessin jusqu'en 1882 (IA gri 33125009510492).pdf but I haven't yet scrolled through it yet. Allix (1816–1882) was a French painter of portraits, known for her miniature paintings on enamel, porcelain and earthenware.[16] [17][18]. She was a sister of Augustine Allix and along with Augustine and her other sisters, founded a boarding school for girls in Fontenay-le-Comte before moving it to Paris in 1847. She latter became known as an artist, and exhibited her miniature portraits in several salon exhibitions in France. Netherzone (talk) 16:22, 2 January 2023 (UTC)Reply

@Star Mississippi, if it is not too much trouble, could you please undelete Draft:Simone Boisecq, there is a substantial article on her on French WP. (Or if it's better for me to formally request undulation, please let me know.) Thanks in advance! Netherzone (talk) 14:43, 3 January 2023 (UTC)Reply

Hi! No trouble at all and happy to do it directly. Except in this case I don't see any deleted edits there or at Simone Boisecq. Do you know if there might have been an alternate spelling or capitalization? Star Mississippi 15:02, 3 January 2023 (UTC)Reply

No worries, I've got a translation started in my sandbox to-do tab, I'll move it from there to mainspace when there is enough sourcing. There is a lot of info in the French article. BTW, That is the spelling at French Wikipedia[19]. Netherzone (talk) 15:20, 3 January 2023 (UTC)Reply

Hi team, here is a link to a cleaner draft: User:Netherzone/sandbox/Simone Boisecq, please feel free to improve from the French: Simone Boisecq on French Wikipedia, or add whatever new material may be found thru searching on Google. She is 100% notable. Netherzone (talk) 15:45, 3 January 2023 (UTC)Reply

Simone Boisecq has now been moved over to Mainspace, as she's clearly notable. Lots more to add from French WP....will continue to improve. Tons of info on the web about her. It's good to know about this important woman sculptor! Netherzone (talk) 17:19, 3 January 2023 (UTC)Reply

Hello @Star Mississippi, @CT55555, @Netherzone, and anyone else reading Possibly's Talk page. I recently revived a draft article that I had made a note about years ago, Draft:Patricia Coffie, and I realized it was started by ThatMontrealIP aka Possibly! R.I.P Possibly. Sharing the draft article here in case anyone wants to help improve it. -Wil540 art (talk) 12:41, 28 June 2023 (UTC)Reply

Greetings, @Wil540 art! Thanks so much for your note about this draft, and for reviving it. I will see what I can find to improve it. Netherzone (talk) 13:55, 28 June 2023 (UTC)Reply

I made some improvements but I'm not sure she clears notability criteria to pass WP:NARTIST. Perhaps StarMississippi or Ct55555 can find another notable collection or enough SIGCOV to meet GNG. According to the online zine, Feminist, she appeared out of nowhere with a brilliant show at Mary Boone Gallery, and then disappeared completely just as quickly.[20] I'm finding a few auction results but not much else. Netherzone (talk) 14:41, 28 June 2023 (UTC)Reply

I've added something, but I can't say it's yet enough to get a clear pass of notability criteria. CT55555(talk) 15:13, 28 June 2023 (UTC)Reply

Thanks for flagging this. I just found this from the NYT, which may be worth adding. Definitely enough in what you've found @CT55555 @Netherzone there that there's a shot and worth editing to see if we can find enough. Star Mississippi 22:17, 29 June 2023 (UTC)Reply

Hi! I had added that to the article, however it's just a mention. The photo caption mentions that she's in the McKinley collection which is the curator's personal private collection. I think is probably non-notable and is definitely not a museum or national gallery collection. The curator is also an artist and a writer, and seems like a really interesting woman,[21] but I don't think it helps establish notability for Coffie unless she donates the collection to a museum. This calls the McKinley collection a "personal archive":[22].

Seems that Coffie had a show just out of graduate school in 2009, at Mary Boone Gallery, then stopped showing, or perhaps changed her name. I think it's good that CT55555 placed a "promising draft" tag on it, as hopefully in time we can find enough. Netherzone (talk) 23:23, 29 June 2023 (UTC)Reply

 

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Cas Liber (talk · contribs) 00:02, 4 March 2022 (UTC)Reply

Just now saw that this article stub by Possibly for the Australian artist Karen Casey, (Aboriginal Palawa people of Tasmania), who recently passed on. There is an article in German - if anyone can help with that translation it would be great! I will see what I can find in English to further develop the article. Netherzone (talk) 01:59, 15 March 2022 (UTC)Reply

oh duh it's here. @CT55555, another woman artist if you are interested. She's notable, but the major challenge is the obituary was written by her gallerist so we're working on incremental sourcing. Star Mississippi 14:58, 20 March 2022 (UTC)Reply

I found some content about her work, added it, and have reclassified the article as "start" class CT55555 (talk) 15:40, 20 March 2022 (UTC)Reply

Nice work on improving the article! It is so interesting to learn about these artists! Netherzone (talk) 16:01, 20 March 2022 (UTC)Reply

We crossed paths when I was in some trouble with a LTA back in July 2020. That was an incredibly helpful and touching moment. MarioJump83! 10:47, 5 April 2022 (UTC)Reply

 

Hello, Possibly. It has been over six months since you last edited the Articles for Creation submission or Draft page you started, "Caterina Angiola Pieroncini".

In accordance with our policy that Wikipedia is not for the indefinite hosting of material deemed unsuitable for the encyclopedia mainspace, the draft has been deleted. If you plan on working on it further and you wish to retrieve it, you can request its undeletion. An administrator will, in most cases, restore the submission so you can continue to work on it.

Thanks for your submission to Wikipedia, and happy editing. Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 05:16, 20 September 2022 (UTC)Reply

Ack, we missed one @Netherzone @CT55555. @Liz I restored this and made an edit since we're trying to get as many as POssibly's in mainspace as possible. (No issue with the G13, we missed the timer.) Star Mississippi 13:34, 20 September 2022 (UTC)Reply

Thanks for restoring the draft. That there is a full chapter on her leads me to think that notability has been established. What I can't access are more biographical details about her life and her lace and embroidery. For some reason, I can only see snippets on Google books, JSTOR won't let me see the full text only the abstract, and Academia.edu won't let me download the full PDF, only the book cover. Without access to these full texts, this may end up being a perma-stub. Perhaps one of you may have better luck searching online. Netherzone (talk) 14:28, 20 September 2022 (UTC)Reply

I recently got access to the Wikipedia Library. I'll see if there's anything there. Thanks for all you added. Given the time in which she lived, I assume perma stub is likely reality, regardless. Star Mississippi 01:33, 21 September 2022 (UTC)Reply

 

Hello, Possibly. It has been over six months since you last edited the Articles for Creation submission or Draft page you started, "Die Photographische Sammlung".

In accordance with our policy that Wikipedia is not for the indefinite hosting of material deemed unsuitable for the encyclopedia mainspace, the draft has been deleted. If you plan on working on it further and you wish to retrieve it, you can request its undeletion. An administrator will, in most cases, restore the submission so you can continue to work on it.

Thanks for your submission to Wikipedia, and happy editing. Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 04:05, 16 December 2022 (UTC)Reply

@CT55555, you did some work on this. Let me know if you want me to restore it for Possibly's legacy Star Mississippi 04:13, 16 December 2022 (UTC)Reply

I forgot about this one, but did hope to get it past the finish line. To date, so many of Possibly's drafts proved notable, so I would like to request refund, if you can do that. CT55555(talk) 04:18, 16 December 2022 (UTC)Reply

Done. I feel the same as he G7ed the ones where he didn't see possibility. No pun intended.

@Liz just courtesy heads up. No issue with the G13, we just haven't tracked these as well as I'd planned to Star Mississippi 04:23, 16 December 2022 (UTC)Reply

Our goal, as I see it, is to increase the number of high quality articles in the project. So, if someone wants to restore a draft and work on it, I'm all for it! Better than have it sit in Wikipedia's dustbin of forgotten drafts. I'm just glad that some editors have Watchlisted this talk page. Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 08:32, 16 December 2022 (UTC)Reply

Exactly @Liz. The project is made better for more content, especially in the areas where Possibly wrote. Not that I'm biased toward art & culture at all <g>

@CT55555 will look a little more closely post coffee but I agree and will do the move unless you doing so helps with DYK or something, in which case absolutely go for it directly. Have a good day both! Star Mississippi 14:34, 16 December 2022 (UTC)Reply

I found a reliable source with lots of information about 2022 NFT sales, also background, and I finally fully understood the subject of the article. I also found various photos and logos online. It's absolutely notable. I think ready to be moved into main space now. Agree? CT55555(talk) 05:05, 16 December 2022 (UTC)Reply

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For the draft:Jacinda_Russell, the page ended up being created, but is not linked. Please link the page, and may this user's last draft have been shown to be created. Nobody expects the UnexpectedSmoreInquisition (talk)! 02:06, 14 October 2023 (UTC)Reply

  Not done The article Jacinda Russell was created independently of the draft Possibly worked on. * Pppery * _{it has begun...} 03:55, 14 October 2023 (UTC)Reply

 

Hello, Possibly. It has been over six months since you last edited the Articles for Creation submission or draft page you started, "Annette Abrard".

In accordance with our policy that Wikipedia is not for the indefinite hosting of material, the draft has been deleted. When you plan on working on it further and you wish to retrieve it, you can request its undeletion. An administrator will, in most cases, restore the submission so you can continue to work on it.

Thank you for your submission to Wikipedia, and happy editing. Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 08:30, 13 November 2024 (UTC)Reply

@Netherzone @CNMall41 I let this one go because of the AfC decline. I don't think there's anything further we can do for an artist who lived so long ago. BUt if you think it's worth another go, happy to undelete. Star Mississippi 13:54, 13 November 2024 (UTC)Reply

I'd be happy to look and even help if the draft is undeleted. I honestly don't remember it. --CNMall41 (talk) 16:28, 13 November 2024 (UTC)Reply

  Done. I think we're left with whether Municipal Museum of Bourg-en-Bresse is significant enough for her to pass N:ARTIST. Thanks either way @CNMall41 Star Mississippi 01:59, 14 November 2024 (UTC)Reply