Talk:Jasper Tsang

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The result of the move request was: move the page to Jasper Tsang Yok-sing, per the discussion below. Dekimasuよ! 23:22, 16 November 2014 (UTC)Reply

Tsang Yok-sing → Jasper Tsang – or Jasper Tsang Yok-sing? Per WP:NCUE and WP:UE, English name Jasper must be used. No objection to using Hong Kong naming style, like Ivy Ling Po. George Ho (talk) 23:11, 10 November 2014 (UTC)Reply

• Use Jasper Tsang Yok-sing, as Hong Kong is an English speaking locality and has a local style. -- 67.70.35.44 (talk) 05:10, 11 November 2014 (UTC)Reply

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Not moved. Clear absence of consensus for the proposal. bd2412 T 02:25, 30 December 2014 (UTC)Reply

Jasper Tsang Yok-sing → Jasper Tsang – There's only one notable person named 'Jasper Tsang'. The last move was closed prematurely. The current title does not follow any standard. TheAvatar (discuss–?) 20:06, 9 December 2014 (UTC)Reply

• Oppose - Uses of Jasper Tsang and Tsang Yok-sin have been divided. WP:DIVIDEDUSE and WP:NC-ZH are not adequate to solve this. --George Ho (talk) 20:09, 9 December 2014 (UTC)Reply
• Oppose - HK convention and per User:George Ho. In ictu oculi (talk) 23:12, 9 December 2014 (UTC)Reply
  • Show me the naming convention page on Wikipedia that standard this so-call HK convention. TheAvatar (discuss–?) 16:56, 10 December 2014 (UTC)Reply
• Oppose per my opinion last time. If you want to dispute the recent last move request, you should use WP:MRV -- 67.70.35.44 (talk) 04:41, 10 December 2014 (UTC)Reply
  • Comment as for not following any standard, this naming method is clearly used in Hong Kong, therefore exists as a form of standardized name presentation. -- 67.70.35.44 (talk) 04:45, 10 December 2014 (UTC)Reply
    • Speedy moving several articles do not mean it becomes a convention. TheAvatar (discuss–?) 16:56, 10 December 2014 (UTC)Reply
      • Do you know what a speedy move is? (WP:RMTR) This clearly was not a speedy move. WP:MRV exists for disputing non-speedy moves, of which this was, since there was a proper discussion, which was posted to the central discussion area, and open for the proper length of time (over 1 week). If you want to dispute the open period of all requested moves make your proposal at WT:Requested moves to expand the open period. -- 67.70.35.44 (talk) 04:59, 11 December 2014 (UTC)Reply
• Support - There is only one Jasper Tsang, and disambiguation is unnecessary as such. Just because use appears to be divided between Jasper Tsang and Tsang Yok-sin doesn't mean we should embrace Hong Kong convention, which is a bollocks hybrid of Chinese naming convention and Western. It is the worst of all worlds and potentially confusing to all outside Hong Kong. -- Ohc ^¡digame! 07:09, 12 December 2014 (UTC)Reply

It was moved from "Jasper Tsang" to "Tsang Yok-sin" without discussion. But then to "Jasper Tsang Yok-sin" by the previous RM. Merely disliking the current title as the worst with your indecision to choose either Chinese or English name is unproductive and foolish, no offense. By the way, there is also only one "Tsang Yok-sin". --George Ho (talk) 08:38, 12 December 2014 (UTC)Reply

• Oppose Tsang Yok-sing is far more commonly used than Jasper Tsang and Jasper Tsang Yok-sing (both English and Chinese) is not common practice for the title of the article on wikipedia. Lmmnhn (talk) 18:46, 14 December 2014 (UTC)Reply

I beg to differ, lmmnhn. "Jasper Tsange" is as commonly used as "Tsang Yok-sing". You haven't researched it; I used Bing News and found 100+ results for each names. --George Ho (talk) 19:21, 14 December 2014 (UTC)Reply

"Tsang Yok-sing" -jasper about 36,300 results; "jasper tsang" -yok-sing about 15,100 results. Lmmnhn (talk) 19:27, 14 December 2014 (UTC)Reply

What about WP:DIVIDEDUSE? It says that even search hits are not very accurate and may include unreliable sources, like fansites and blogs. "Gary Fan" may include fans of Gary somebody. (Oops, wrong person) --George Ho (talk) 19:31, 14 December 2014 (UTC)Reply

If you are not willing to read through, perhaps Google Books should show reliable sources: Tsang Yok-sing, 1,400; Jasper Tsang, 2,100. Both include "Jasper Tsang Yok-sing", however. --George Ho (talk) 19:35, 14 December 2014 (UTC)Reply

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The result of the move request was: Moved. With little or no opposition it appears that, had these renames taken place without a RM, they would have gone uncontested as uncontroversial, so consensus has changed. (non-admin closure)  Paine  ^u/c 13:58, 18 November 2016 (UTC)Reply

• Jasper Tsang Yok-sing → Jasper Tsang
• Raymond Wong Yuk-man → Wong Yuk-man
• Raymond Chan Chi-chuen → Chan Chi-chuen

– If you look at the articles of the Hong Kong biographies, all of the titles of the person either go with the English given name+Chinese surname name e.g. Maggie Cheung, Leslie Cheung, Emily Lau, John Tsang, Donald Tsang, Peter Woo and etc. or go with the Chinese surname+Chinese given name, e.g. Tung Chee-hwa, Chow Yun-fat, Lau Kong-wah, Li Ka-shing etc., since Jasper Tsang is famous for his English name "Jasper", I think it is suitable to change it to just Jasper Tsang, while Wong Yuk-man and Chan Chi-chuen as not famous to go by their English names "Raymond" and also multiple titles under "Raymond Wong" and "Ray Chan", so I would suggest to change to "Wong Yuk-man" and "Chan Chi-chuen" respectively. Lmmnhn (talk) 11:17, 19 October 2016 (UTC)--Relisting. Fuortu (talk) 15:45, 26 October 2016 (UTC) --Relisting. — Andy W. (talk) 02:24, 10 November 2016 (UTC)Reply

• This appears to have been argued before. See above. The second suggested move was also discussed. These RMs make me think that the first two moves should not be done without further comment. No strong opinion from me personally. — Andy W. (talk) 02:19, 10 November 2016 (UTC)Reply

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