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R.O.B. 64 was the robot that delivered items to you. Surely this counts as a cameo? Kakama (talk) 23:05, 4 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Well, I think he counts as a different R.O.B., though the name is an obvious reverence. It's not a cameo because it's not the actual robot... attatchment... guy... whatever. 75.118.140.145 (talk) 14:32, 30 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]

What did it actually do? --NeuronExMachina 06:09, 17 Aug 2004 (UTC)

"There were also cases of R.O.B. severing smaller limbs like toes." On four AA batteries using plastic hands? Very funny, I'm taking it out. --66.214.116.40 16:56, 4 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]

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There is also a robot in StarTropics that looks rather like rob... --24.21.243.107 01:30, 2 Jun 2005 (UTC)

This topic needs a pic of R.O.B.

Currently, the section on the arms' movement ranges mentions hyper beams. I can't tell what it is saying about hyper beams, but there is a chance it's not vandalism. Can someone who knows more about the R.O.B. fix it? —Preceding unsigned comment added by Mathfan (talk • contribs) 03:32, 7 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]

I have put ROB's playable appearance under the Mario Kart DS section below. Please stop putting it in the cameo section. Playable does not equal a cameo. Hbdragon88 00:08, 4 January 2006 (UTC) How is that not a cameo I don't really see how the line between Cameo and Playable exists. I would hardly say just because a character is playable it isn't a cameo. Since there is not really a divide between cameo and playable I vote for the status quo. Plus since that section would consist of a couple sentences it does not need to be made. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 216.93.220.223 (talk) 03:56, 23 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]

According to Webster's dictionary, a cameo is a minor part played by a prominent player. In ensemble games like Smash Bros. or Mariokart: there are no prominent parts, just large rosters of minor parts played by characters that star in other games.

Adding to this is the fact that R.O.B. can be considered a "secret character" i.e. hidden, and the most difficult one to find at that.

I won't make the change myself just yet, but I am rather convinced on this idea. If we can't agree on whether Mariokart DS is a cameo or not, then for simplicity's sake, the heading should be re-titled to "Guest Appearances" or "Other Appearances." It's only intuitive to put Mariokart in with the grand list of his post-mortem iterations: it being his best one, and in his twentieth year. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Phil Bond (talk • contribs) 21:12, 21 February 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Sigh, I actually explained this in the talk apge (see above) and in bracketed comments when the message wasn't getting through. I've split it up again, this time with a broad "Appearances" header with "Cameo" and "Mario Kart DS" as sub-sections. Let's hope it stays that way. - Hbdragon88 05:22, 23 February 2006 (UTC)[reply]

I'm really sorry. I see that you made some edits an hour ago, but I just uploaded a major overhaul mostly of the former "Appearance" section that I'd been working on for a few hours, and your changes were basically overwritten. I like your compromise on the Mariokart section, and looking at the edit history, I'm trying to recover what I can. I apologize. I'm very new to Wiki editing.Phil Bond 06:38, 23 February 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Okay, I hope we can all be happy with that. I removed mention of R.O.B.'s height from the Mariokart section, since the game is very visually inconsistent on size (R.O.B. is monstrous on the 150cc/Mirror congratulation screen, but far smaller than Bowser or Donkey Kong in-game, as you can see on the character select screen). I love the note on International WiFi coloration. I noticed that myself a few weeks ago, and forgot until just now.

A heads-up: this week, I plan to work on the Gyromite and Stack-Up pages, confirm some other cameos I'm aware of, replace the main picture, and add a couple other pictures. The current picture is better suited for the Gyromite page, but for that it's an incomplete specimen, and the parts aren't attached. I think it should be discarded in favor of an image showing only ROB, possibly from different angles. The only thing I'll have trouble with is an image of ROB equipped with Stack-Up parts, since I don't have the game yet myself. ($150-$350 on eBay.)

If anyone has a better idea for the "Operation" section, go for it. It seems like there should be more to say about basic operation, without getting into game specifics better suited to the game entries, or consumer opinions mentioned in the "History" section. Make sure not to confuse ROB with Gyromite, one of the games ROB plays.Phil Bond 07:46, 23 February 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Awesome. The two articles could use some work, and with your expanded edits I finally understand how the darn accessory actually worked. Thumbs-up on the additions and changes to this article. - Hbdragon88 06:37, 24 February 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Thank you. This is exactly the kind of information I always wanted on R.O.B., but could never find, especially in one place, until I got one of my own.Phil Bond 21:10, 26 February 2006 (UTC)[reply]

I don't understand why dopey kitch-minded references from game "journalists" are put in order before Nintendo's continued use of the character.Phil Bond 06:58, 26 February 2006 (UTC)[reply]

• Fine. I renamed to "Popular culture" and moved back down. Also, could you find a better shot of R.O.B.? The first image looks kinda creepy. :< - Hbdragon88 05:40, 27 February 2006 (UTC)[reply]
  • Agreed. I'll take a new one tomorrow.Phil Bond 07:35, 27 February 2006 (UTC)[reply]
  • Okay, what do we think of this one? I might retake it in better (natural) light sometime soon.Phil Bond 02:58, 28 February 2006 (UTC)[reply]
    • Wow, that looks awesome. The interesting thing though - the thumbnail shows the new pose (R.O.B. twisting his head); if I click on the thumbnail, it shows me the old full frontal one. - Hbdragon88 03:44, 1 March 2006 (UTC)[reply]
    • I had a similar glitch until I reloaded the page literally five times.Phil Bond 20:20, 1 March 2006 (UTC)[reply]

The ROB_nes image should be orphaned and allowed to delete. It shows Gyromite parts, which should only be true of an image that addresses Gyromite specifically. The original filename claims it to be complete, and for Gyromite, it's not. The Gyromite parts that it does show are unattached, but it's difficult to tell that from the photo. It comes from another website, which I'd been led to believe was bad practice in the first place, and though it's claimed to be a PR photo, you don't have to look hard to find false information on that website.Phil Bond 21:25, 27 February 2006 (UTC)[reply]

• 'K then, I'll drop the issue. - Hbdragon88 23:54, 27 February 2006 (UTC)[reply]
• This is slightly off-topic, but can anyone get R.O.B.'s concept art from MKDS? It would be a great addition to the MKDS section. RememberMe? 15:00, 3 July 2006 (UTC)[reply]

I have a Japanese version of Rob, Gyro, and Block if you want to add a photo of that. Rob is pretty cool decked out in Famicom red/white BTW, very nice work on these pages AAT (and another thing) I have noticed some famicom console photos with the name missing from the front panel. Whats up with that? jcp 09:55, 16 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Could we get clarification on this "Giga Robo" character? How strongly does the head resemble R.O.B.? What details does it share? Does it have the LED on top or the grating pattern on the sides? Does it match in terms of color placement with a black rectangular region protruding from the front? Also, as for it having been "shut down and put away," is this after it's defeated, or is this something that took place years before encountering the player? Phil Bond 07:40, 31 March 2006 (UTC)[reply]

It was BEFORE encountering the player. I haven't played the game, but Nintendo Power had an article mentioning this boss. I can get a scan of the character if I find the issue, if you'd like! Evan1109

That would be appreciated. Phil Bond 02:04, 9 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]

As you all know, R.O.B. receives his orders under the form of flashes of light on the television set. If you still have a working R.O.B. unit, start it and light a match a few feets away from the unit. The result is quite hillarious!

That's ridiculous. I'm not even going to try it. The optics require accurate aiming and light levels, and the signals are very specific and digital in nature. It's insulting that you'd waste people's time this way. That you even think R.O.B. can move fast enough to be hilarious gives you away. Phil Bond 01:53, 21 April 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Besides, each time you light a match the flame won't move and flash in exactly the same way.86.151.17.193 (talk) 18:34, 31 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]

it says that rob is the 4th non mario character to appear in a mario kart game, but i think that statement is silly...i mean, what is the defenition of a 'mario character'....a character to appear in a mario game...? well what about diddy kong in mario kart double dash....did he been in a mario game alongside mario before mario kart double dash.....no

i think that we should use the term NINTENDO CHARACTER rather than mario character which means a character created by nintendo, or in a nintendo only game or by 2nd party nintendo developer (hal laboratorie's kirby for example, who is regarded as a nintendo character though not being from a 1st party game, but a 2nd party game). so that makes rob a nintendo character. it is because of this that i have removed the statement, you cant put rob in the same category as pac man in relation to nintendo, because rob was created by nintendo and pac man wasnt.

Mario Character=Character created by the Mario franchise in a Mario-named game. Deletion reverted. Phil Bond 23:28, 11 July 2006 (UTC)[reply]

well, to me, its not the same as pac-man being in mario kart GP, it was still nintendo, i dont understand why the emphesis is on MARIO charcter, and not NINTENDO charcter

ROB is a Nintendo character too, though. You're making the categories too broad. There are Nintendo games, then Mario games (where the plots revolve solely around Mario and his related characters), and then other Nintendo games (Zelda, Donkey Kong, etc.). ROB has no association with the Mario franchise outside crossover games (Super Smash Brothers, Mario Kart), and thus he is a non-Mario character. Interestingly, DK is considered a semi-Mario character because he originated as the antagonist to Mario, but his plot line has split so far from today's Mario that the games are really their own separate entities. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 70.100.180.22 (talk) 03:38, 19 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]

"ROB's are recently used in Robot Wars shows, controlled by the NES Controller." -This comment is vague and sounds implausable. I'm removing it pending better/more believable phrasing. Phil Bond 12:09, 15 August 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Well whoever put it down was wrong anyway. The nearest robot to looking like R.O.B. Is Refbot, which is 6 times the height of it, and designed quite differently. Some Guy (Izzy259) (talk) 15:33, 17 November 2007 (UTC)[reply]

I must admittedly say that I - a devoted Nintendo fan in the late 80's and early 90's when I was a pre-teenager - have never ever even heard of the R.O.B. The way it functions is very similar to the Zapper gun (receiving information through digital screen flashes), which makes me wonder why the Zapper gun became a big hit but the R.O.B. was not even sold or advertised in my vicinity (i.e., the city of Östersund in Northern Sweden).

Jens Persson (130.242.128.85 18:52, 9 November 2006 (UTC))[reply]

The article states: "R.O.B. is the sixth non-Mario-related character to appear in a Mario Kart game; the first three were Pac-Man, Ms. Pac-Man, and Blinky in Mario Kart Arcade GP and also Donkey and Diddy Kong."

How can Donkey Kong be a "non-Mario" character when Mario got his start in "Donkey Kong"? I've deleted Donkey and Diddy Kong from the claim in the main article, but if somebody has a rationale to put them back in I'd like to hear it. W4st 00:16, 6 February 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Donkey Kong and Diddy Kong are not Mario characters, as they were created to star in their OWN games & not created to be a secondary character in Super Mario Bros series. Mario may have gotten his start in "Donkey Kong" (as Jumpman), but he wasn't the title character, hence it is not a Mario game. Donkey Kong & Diddy Kong are just characters in the Nintendo Universe that happen to occasionally interact with the Mario characters.--Hndsmepete 06:39, 26 February 2007 (UTC)[reply]

The Robo items in Animal Crossing: Wild World look almost nothing like R.O.B., sharing only standard robot similarities like the gray blockiness. I think it should be removed. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Ultim87 (talk • contribs) 01:31, 20 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]

R.O.B. will appear as a enemy in Super Smash Bros. Brawl. Source --201.36.213.137 (talk) 01:00, 17 November 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Should this be moved to FAMICON ROBOT instead of R.O.B.? It was released first in Japan.

No. This is the English Wikipedia site, and so English names are used. Would you want to move The Legend of Zelda to Zelda no Densetsu? Nobody would be able to find it.

Or super smash bros to Nintendō Ōrusutā! Dairantō Sumasshu Burazāzu?A challenging game ideas remembering that.Very challenging Mariofan1000 (talk) 21:28, 3 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Fryguy64 (talk) 14:55, 31 January 2008 (UTC) This is true because Famicom is a Japanese company. There is a color difference for the companies.[reply]

Famicom

Nintendo

yah, confirmed. lolz

24.90.248.240 (talk) 23:51, 29 January 2008 (UTC)[reply] 

That was helpful. Just to clarify, yes, R.O.B. (or Robot as he is called in the Japanese release) has been confirmed as a playable character in Super Smash Bros. Brawl, as well as the R.O.B. Squad playing a significant role during the Subspace Emissary Adventure Mode. Fryguy64 (talk) 14:54, 31 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]

The playable R.O.B. in Brawl is the Ancient Minister? Can someone please supply me with some proof!? Luigi "Kurai" III (talk) 22:01, 31 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Yes, I have the game, and he is indeed the Ancient Minister, I can confirm that he is, it's revealed towards the final half of the Subspace Emissary. Ganondorf betrays him and sets him on fire which reveals that he is R.O.B. Doshindude (talk) 00:47, 11 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]

I myself did not know that the Ancient Minister was R.O.B. Can we please put a spoiler warning there or remove it?69.117.64.161 (talk) 22:49, 6 February 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Ok, why the heck to people say that that information it is only good for a fansite. Can't you just say he is playable character for those games, cause it is true.71.185.197.119 (talk) 22:57, 11 February 2008 (UTC)71.185.197.119[reply]

Maybe cameos are a bit much, but playable appearences must be mentioned! I'm putting them in, but won't put any Brawl Spoilers in, OK. I think that's fine to do.GEM036 (talk) 22:01, 12 February 2008 (UTC)[reply]

They took it off again. Someone please go get a hire up on the ladder person to fix this so that important playable appearnces are known. I agrre with no cameos, but playable appearences are Important and noteworthy!!!GEM036 (talk) 23:54, 13 February 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Calm down :) I agree that there should be some mention of R.O.B.'s role in later games, as he seems to have made the transition from accessory to character (the line was kind of blurry to begin with). I'll work on a suitable section. Coreycubed (talk) 15:07, 14 February 2008 (UTC)[reply]

There's nothing against Wikipedia that I've seen that says we can't add cameo appearances (unless it's far too trivial, which in this case, it is not). What really gets my hide is what someone put in the hidden message about "marking as vandalism" part. Threatening people is not having good faith at all, especially since they are good faith edits. I'm putting back the cameo appearances. Magiciandude (talk) 02:26, 17 February 2008 (UTC)[reply]

There is nothing that says we have to have it, either. This is an article about the actual robot, maybe you should mention the cameo appearance in an article the actual game is about, because for this page it is too trivial. --8-bit player —Preceding unsigned comment added by 8-bit player (talk • contribs) 09:34, 18 February 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Um, that would not be too trivial at all to put cameo playable appearances. What would be trivial is a whole list of cameo appearances. Also, just because it is an actual hardware doesn't mean it cannot be mentioned. Even the article on PictoChat mentions the fact that it is stage in Brawl even though it comes from a hardware device. Magiciandude (talk) 13:41, 18 February 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Also, per WP:VANDAL#NOT, no one can be marked for vandalism for adding the information regarding cameos, regardless if consenues says "yes" or "no". Magiciandude (talk) 16:40, 18 February 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks for clearing that up. I had no idea about that! GEM036 (talk) 00:40, 21 February 2008 (UTC)[reply]

I think we all agree that non-playable cameos should not appear, but actual playable characters are fine. Is there a consensus for this? Felix the Hurricane (talk) 19:23, 19 February 2008 (UTC)[reply]

R.O.B. rules in Brawl. -stick2012 —Preceding unsigned comment added by Stick2012 (talk • contribs) 02:53, 15 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Should it make sense to rename this article to "Famicom Robot" since it was first released by that name in Japan? Curious -- Patel. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Patel Raghava (talk • contribs) 21:56, 15 February 2008 (UTC)[reply]

No, in Wikipedia, articles usually go by what it is called in America or Europe. It's just like with game articles, we don't use the Japanese names (because they are translations that could be off), we use the English names. Magiciandude (talk) 13:46, 18 February 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Exactly. It would be like renaming Luigi's article Ruigi. GEM036 (talk) 00:57, 21 February 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Is this the same R. O. B. that appears in the Star Fox games as the pilot of the Great Fox? It looks very similar, and I think it should be mentioned if it is.CMyst (talk) 14:59, 3 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]

ROB's name was derived from R.O.B., but I believe the similarities end there. List of characters in the Star Fox series goes into slightly more detail, which is where it belongs (on that page, not here). --Coreycubed (talk) 15:07, 3 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]

R.O.B has the Famicom appearence in Super Smash Brothers Brawl. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Kirby124 (talk • contribs) 03:39, 15 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]

We all know that R.O.B. is an unlockable character. We also know R.O.B. (along with just about every other charcter in Brawl) appears in The Subspace Emissary. While it might not be in everyone's best interest to put down every spoiler from SSE, isn't is at least notable to put down that various variations of R.O.B.s appear as enemies in SSE? ChromeWulf ZX (talk) 20:22, 25 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]

So long as all the spoilers are removed, I'm not fussed. I just found out what his role is in the Subspace Emissary, thanks to this. = / Ace of Jokers (talk) 10:06, 1 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Please consider adding this gallery as a list of relevant photos about R.O.B. RyanTMulligan (talk) 16:43, 15 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]

I've removed this line: "WALL-E, from Pixar's 2008 film, bears a striking resemblance to R.O.B. Coincidence?" The statement is conjecture, has no source, and the questioning ending has no place in wikipedia. ~Necoras

Plus it's original research and trivial. You did a fine job removing it. Magiciandude (talk) 17:38, 2 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

I agree, and one could also say the same about Johnny 5... in some ways and it would be just as similar —Preceding unsigned comment added by 205.250.13.220 (talk) 11:55, 23 February 2010 (UTC)[reply]

I have been trying to perfect the format of the article within the last few days, I hope you enjoy it in its new format. Fangz of Blood 18:13, 11 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]

In the capcom platform game, Viewtiful Joe, many, many R.O.B. robots appear in the background of the final level's factory areas, reminiscent of the subspace emissary in Super Smash Bros. Brawl. You do not fight them, but I think this is a reasonable cameo to be included on the page. I could not find a reference picture, this video of the level in question both shows and mentions the cameo. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 138.88.50.27 (talk) 23:31, 8 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]

On the pic that says that it's two variants of R.O.B., I'm pretty sure that's just a regular one plus one with the filter eyepiece on it. I would see what my R.O.B. looks like with one but my filter is still sealed in package so I don't think I will. :) —Preceding unsigned comment added by Brutal.dt0 (talk • contribs) 03:59, 1 November 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Agreed With the abocve poster, I used to have the filter for mine but it went missing sadly 205.250.13.220 (talk) 11:41, 23 February 2010 (UTC)[reply]

• Check points raised in multiple issues tl
• Check article for expansion and refs validity

Chaosdruid (talk) 05:44, 16 March 2011 (UTC)[reply]

The article currently states there are 6 commands.

In actuality there are 10 commands R.O.B. can accept. The issue is that I determined this through experimentation by decoding the format of the flash patterns, then writing a program for the NES that would allow me to test every possible pattern. So while I can edit the article for correctness, I don't have an "official" source to cite other than myself.

If you're curious, the 10 commands are: open, close, left, right, up (one notch), up (two notches), down (one notch), down (two notches), test (just turns the on the light on his head), recalibrate (causes R.O.B. to go through the initial power-up process again). X87bliss (talk) 05:17, 15 April 2011 (UTC)[reply]

In the sentence beginning The creation and marketing of R.O.B. as a "Trojan horse" after the North American video game crash of 1983..., the link currently points to the article on the historical Trojan Horse. Was freebie marketing the intended meaning? (Trojan horse (business) isn't quite correct, but its see also section links to freebie marketing.) Is there a better article we should be linking to? Is rewording necessary? --SoledadKabocha (talk) 00:22, 12 September 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Does the phrase "Trojan horse" need to be repeated so many times in the article? It's a good point, but I found the reiteration distracting. Any volunteers to find alternate wording for a coup,e of instances? Pelagic (talk) 09:27, 7 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Apologies to SoledadKabocha (talk · contribs), I missed seeing the previous section in mobile UI. Pelagic (talk) 09:30, 7 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Acknowledged; I'm not sure that I feel up to the task of doing any rewriting right now.

I am aware that Freebie marketing was moved to Razor and blades model in late February 2017. --SoledadKabocha (talk) 21:30, 7 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]

The article states that the ROB uses the same circuitry as the Zapper (which is true) and then goes on to claim that therefore it doesn't work on a modern HDTV (which is false, but a common misconception). Both of the cited sources only talk about the Zapper. While some LCD TVs won't work with ROB due to slower refresh, many LCD will work just fine, as the ROB only requires that the timing of the flashes be internally-consistent. The Zapper fails to work because it needs the timing to match up between the raster scan and the controller port, but as there's no electrical connection from the ROB itself to the console, it operates independently and only requires that the flash pattern come through. 97.126.15.220 (talk) 20:40, 26 December 2021 (UTC)[reply]