Talk:Third-party and independent candidates for the 2024 United States presidential election

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It seems that the color on the maps isn't consistent across maps. I notice that the orange varies. I'm not sure about the other colors. Crazysportsdude1, would you be willing to make the colors consistent (and update map legends if necessary) next time you do map updates? Dhalsim2 (talk) 20:27, 18 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Looks like cruz and sonski were wrong. good catch. Crazysportsdude1 (talk) 21:42, 18 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks, @Crazysportsdude1. I also did notice a weird pixel in the middle of CO for some maps. Looks like that got introduced around September 9th. Dhalsim2 (talk) 21:16, 2 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

We can have one. It’s can go off of Ballot access (Order Ex.: Chase Oliver, Jill Stein, Claudia, C. West, Peter Sonski, Dr. Shiva, Randall Terry, Rachele Fruit, and Joseph Kishore). The ballots seem like they are locked in and no new changes will be happening. 2600:1006:B18C:6523:A0D0:6C3F:DF76:B084 (talk) 16:28, 11 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Seconded. 211.251.171.197 (talk) 00:15, 14 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Agreed that an Infobox is in order; disagreed on the suggested presence and order of the candidates. Post-election, a candidate's importance is proportional purely per their popular vote. Pre-election our treatment of them should be objectively based on their likely post-election results per currently available metrics. Each candidate has an EV (electoral vote eligibility) based on their ballot access and their write-in eligibility. Based on multiple previous presidential elections, it can be figured that a candidate's EV/vote is roughly three times higher in their ballot access states than their write-in states, but this proportion is pretty stable. If an EV index is then determined by write-in EV divided by three plus ballot access EV, the candidates have these indices:

• Chase Oliver: 488
• Jill Stein: 431
• RFK: 291
• Claudia De La Cruz: 281
• Cornel West: 185
• Peter Sonski: 179
• Randall Terry: 149
• Dr. Shiva: 134
• Rachele Fruit: 75
• Joseph Kishore: 59

With these EV index numbers, RFK is likely to get more popular votes than most others, even if he's not asking for them (similarly to how Bernie Sanders got a substantial vote count in 2016) and should thus occupy the third spot in the Infobox. Note that Fruit and Kishore have a substantially lower EV index than the others and Fruit doesn't even have a picture available. Also note that the election Infobox has three candidates per row with a maximum of three rows. For these reasons, I recommend limiting it to six candidates (two full rows), ordered as 1. Oliver, 2. Stein, 3. RFK, 4. De La Cruz, 5. West, 6. Sonski. If a third row is included, which I don't recommend, it should be 7. Terry, 8. Shiva, 9. Fruit (or even consider leaving the 9th place unoccupied). Dhalsim2 (talk) 00:23, 18 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

In 2020, the ASP (for example) received 359 votes per ballot access EV and 47 votes per write-in EV, so the weighting would be more like 7.5-1 than 3-1 Crazysportsdude1 (talk) 16:15, 18 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

But for simplicity I would just order by ballot access EVs Crazysportsdude1 (talk) 16:15, 18 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Created an info box. Use this talk thread for feedback.

One thing: Given all of the “Alliances”, does it make sense to put those in a note rather than in the box, it looks quite cluttered. Crazysportsdude1 (talk) 21:48, 4 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]