Talk:Non-dairy creamer

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The references for this section aren't very good, but I'm not sure where to find better ones. They do at least support the fact that those two groups do use it that way. —mmdoogie (talk) 04:43, 30 September 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Since (as the article mentions) many of these products do contain dairy ingredients, wouldn't a less inaccurate title be something like "coffee creamer"?--Philologia (talk) 03:23, 13 December 2018 (UTC)[reply]

We should rewrite this as the HISTORY of the PURSUIT of truly NON-dairy creamers, now that we have PLANTMILKS: soy milk, rice milk, almond milk, peanut milk, coconut milk, cashew milk, other nut milks, Hemp milk, pea-based plant-protein powder, etc.

See also:

• List of soy-based foods
• Milk substitute
• almond milk
• cashew milk
• coconut milk
• List of dishes using coconut milk
• hemp milk
• nut milks
• oat milk
• pea-based plant-protein powder
• peanut milk
• rice milk
• soy milk

Then a nice history could convert this article from a short STUB to a nice historical treatment of 'the search for nondairy creamers and beverages'! MaynardClark (talk) 03:45, 13 December 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks for your input, Maynard. I'm really only concerned with the misleading & innacurate "non-dairy" part of this title, but if you want to work an article like the one you mention, I won't stand in your way :) --Philologia (talk) 04:45, 16 December 2018 (UTC)[reply]

But it's Wikipedia's article, not your article, nor an article which should ONLY respond to your concern. An article about the HISTORY of the PURSUIT of truly NON-dairy creamers has room to discuss the present state of the 'search' - and truly, the TERM 'non-dairy creamer' is deceptive, though the article does charitably begin to point out that problem and risks for the true, 100% no-exception vegans and for riks to those who are lactose intolerant. Maybe that point could be built out better in this article. MaynardClark (talk) 15:32, 16 December 2018 (UTC)[reply]

I don't know whether you realize this or not MaynardClark, but you've just accused another editor of wp:own based on a few minor wording edits, a proposal to make a minor adjustment to the title and the use of the word "concern".

Why don't you try to improve the article as you see fit, MaynardClark? You've posted plenty of your personal concerns & theories about the article & its topic on this page, why not just implemet them? Or are you asking/expecting me or someone else to do it?

That being said, your "HISTORY of the PURSUIT of truly NON-dairy creamers" sounds more like an essay than an article, and trying to categorize plant milks as "non-dairy creamers" ignores the documented history of plant milk consumption (i.e., people making coconut or almond milk 1000 years ago were not "pursuing non-dairy creamers", they were simply using the resources available to them, just like dairy farmers did and do).--Philologia (talk) 14:53, 4 January 2019 (UTC)[reply]

I propose to move this article in order to eliminate the problem of the innacurate & misleading "non-dairy" part of the title. Because some of the products in question contain dairy, my proposal is to rename the article either Coffee creamer or Coffee whitener (the first sentence will say "also called non-dairy creamer" of course), unless someone has a better suggestion. Please post any preferences and/or comments below. (Otherwise I'll just change it per WP:RMUM.) Thanks --Philologia (talk) 04:51, 16 December 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Defensible, but is it the optimal course for this article? MaynardClark (talk) 15:28, 16 December 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Yes :) --Philologia (talk) 22:46, 16 December 2018 (UTC)[reply]

I'd be interested in exploring that topic. Everyone should heed the advice to "Read the labels", including Kosher Jews. MaynardClark (talk) 15:34, 16 December 2018 (UTC)[reply]

I don't think this seems notable 94.168.60.90 (talk) 10:30, 30 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]