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Text and/or other creative content from this version of Catholic Church was copied or moved into Catholic views on Mary with this edit. The former page's history now serves to provide attribution for that content in the latter page, and it must not be deleted as long as the latter page exists. Text and/or other creative content from this version of Canonization was copied or moved into Catholic Church with this edit. The former page's history now serves to provide attribution for that content in the latter page, and it must not be deleted as long as the latter page exists. Text and/or other creative content from this version of Saints was copied or moved into Catholic Church with this edit. The former page's history now serves to provide attribution for that content in the latter page, and it must not be deleted as long as the latter page exists. Section sizes Section size for Catholic Church (52 sections) Section name Byte count Section total (Top) 16,589 16,589 Name 11,986 11,986 History 118 65,766 Apostolic era and papacy 6,280 6,280 Antiquity and Roman Empire 8,591 8,591 Middle Ages and Renaissance 13,108 13,108 Age of Discovery 1,495 1,495 Protestant Reformation and Counter-Reformation 4,444 4,444 Enlightenment and modern period 5,313 5,313 20th century 20,687 20,687 21st century 5,730 5,730 Organization 4,548 37,005 Holy See, papacy, Roman Curia, and College of Cardinals 7,118 7,118 Canon law 7,361 7,361 Latin and Eastern churches 8,572 8,572 Dioceses, parishes, organizations, and institutes 5,825 5,825 Membership 3,581 3,581 Doctrine 3,428 29,080 Nature of God 2,931 2,931 Nature of the church 6,204 6,204 Final judgement 4,933 4,933 Saints and devotions 6,251 6,251 Virgin Mary 5,333 5,333 Sacraments 5,273 22,798 Sacraments of initiation 66 6,910 Baptism 1,595 1,595 Confirmation 2,434 2,434 Eucharist 2,815 2,815 Sacraments of healing 202 3,816 Penance 2,081 2,081 Anointing of the sick 1,533 1,533 Sacraments at the service of communion 576 6,799 Holy Orders 3,811 3,811 Matrimony 2,412 2,412 Liturgy 2,842 14,696 Western rites 8,726 8,726 Eastern rites 3,128 3,128 Social and cultural issues 110 39,566 Catholic social teaching 3,936 3,936 Social services 4,314 4,314 Sexual morality 3,982 20,300 Homosexuality 3,908 3,908 Divorce and declarations of nullity 3,703 3,703 Contraception 8,707 8,707 Death penalty and euthanasia 4,729 4,729 Holy orders and women 4,536 4,536 Sexual abuse cases 1,641 1,641 See also 339 339 Notes 35 35 References 2,756 2,756 Bibliography 8,824 8,824 External links 769 769 Total 250,209 250,209

The official URL for the Catholic Church is too long. If you search www.vatican.va it will simply redirect to https://www.vatican.va/content/vatican/en.html. But since the official URL is linked to the wikidata item it automatically displays the longer link which is unnecessary. It would be better if the article showed "vatican.va" as the official website instead of the longer link. EXANXC (talk) 03:33, 1 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Only admins would edit Catholic Church? But it would be unclear. 130.105.50.149 (talk) 21:04, 12 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

The article is not fully protected, but rather semi-protected. Other editors are able to edit this page, but you have to be a registered account that is both more than four days old and has at least four edits to English Wikipedia. If you wish to edit this article without registering or signing in, you may request an edit on this talk page using the {{Edit semi-protected}} template. ~ Pbritti (talk) 22:07, 12 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Exactly, editin' an article is not easy at all, it may took a whole process to you edit, otherwise, just "admins can edit this article" [Note: Would it worthwhile using {{Edit semi-protected}} template?] 177.105.94.73 (talk) 16:29, 29 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Such an ironic edit summary:

"This, again, has been discussed at length. The Eastern Orthodox Church maintains that it has always been the real catholic church. For NPOV reasons, we do not take a side in this dispute."

There is a long history here, with schisms and claims to being the "real" catholic and original Christian church. This article and some editors are taking sides in the dispute. -- Valjean (talk) (PING me) 23:38, 31 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Valjean, if you're referring to the name of the article not being "Roman Catholic Church", you're several years behind on that consensus. It seems like you followed me to this article after I changed "Roman Catholic" to "Catholic Church" on the article for Jean Valjean considering your first edits here occurring shortly afterwards. If you have a grudge against me, please let it go. ~ Pbritti (talk) 00:42, 1 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I have absolutely no grudge against you. How I discovered what happened here is irrelevant. We all discover things in different ways, and it's legitimate. I just found your edit summary ironic as you are taking sides for the Roman Catholic church in its efforts to take a patent on the word Catholic. Historically, that's not legitimate. Ever since the Reformation, it has always been called the Roman Catholic church by everyone, including themselves, because the Bishop of Rome is the Pope. It's easy to find what you call the Catholic Church calling itself the Roman Catholic Church. Here's just one example. (search it for Roman)

This has been done to distinguish it from the Greek and Russian Orthodox churches, and any other "Eastern" variations of Catholicism. They all are offshoots of the original Christian church, what became known as the Roman Catholic Church. I'm not sure, but the church may have used "Roman Catholic" before the Reformation.

Now you are erasing the name of the Roman Catholic Church from the original title (while you do write "also known as the Roman Catholic Church"), even though it is still used by the church as a self-description. That's really odd and an example of historical revisionism in favor of ONE branch of Catholic Christianity. You are taking sides, rather than recognizing that Catholic is an umbrella term that covers several subdivisions.

I wonder how long it will be before you minimize or delete the follow paragraph from the article?

"While the Roman Church has been used to describe the pope's Diocese of Rome since the Fall of the Western Roman Empire and into the Early Middle Ages (6th–10th century), Roman Catholic Church has been applied to the whole church in the English language since the Protestant Reformation in the late 16th century.[35] Further, some will refer to the Latin Church as Roman Catholic in distinction from the Eastern Catholic churches.[36] "Roman Catholic" has occasionally appeared also in documents produced both by the Holy See,[note 3] and notably used by certain national episcopal conferences and local dioceses.[note 4]"

"Roman Catholic Church has been applied to the whole church in the English language since the Protestant Reformation in the late 16th century.[35]" Your historical revisionism goes against that fact. Roman Catholic Church is the common name and should remain the title here. -- Valjean (talk) (PING me) 02:17, 1 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

This has been done to distinguish it from the Greek and Russian Orthodox churches, and any other "Eastern" variations of Catholicism. That comment is a pretty strong indicator that you're a bit out of your depth, reminiscent of your inability to parse the Eastern Orthodox Church and the Eastern Catholic Churches in comments you made here. Also, your claim of not having a grudge against me and then accusing me of plotting to delete content without any evidence is—unlike your original post here—ironic. ~ Pbritti (talk) 02:32, 1 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

A section on Joseph was recently added under the Virgin Mary section. I think this is wp:undue. He is clearly not one of the most important saints. Doctrine about him seems like an afterthought (and not dogmatic). I would revert myself but I cann't yet. Rolluik (talk) 11:52, 11 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]