Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2024 April 25

April 25

Category:Swedish emigrants to Japan

Relisted, see Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2024 May 3#Category:Swedish emigrants to Japan

Category:Fashion in India

The following is an archived discussion concerning one or more categories. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on an appropriate discussion page (such as the category's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this section.

The result of the discussion was: rename as nominated for now, with no prejudice against a wider discussion for a rename in the other direction. (non-admin closure) House Blaster (talk · he/him) 04:41, 5 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Propose renaming Category:Fashion in India to Category:Indian fashion
Propose renaming Category:Fashion in the United States to Category:American fashion

Nominator's rationale: Categories out of phase with their siblings in Category:Fashion by country.
These were both speedy-moved from the target names to their current names two weeks ago on C2D grounds because the head articles are at "fashion in country" -- but that should never have happened without wider discussion, because C2D and C2C are in conflict with each other here: with the isolated exception of Georgia, which has an established consensus to diverge from normal standards because of the Georgia-as-in-Tbilisi vs. Georgia-as-in-Atlanta problem, every other sibling category is at "Demonym fashion" rather than "Fashion in Country".
But it's an important principle of category trees that they need to be as consistent as possible so that the location of a category is predictable, so these need to be named in the same format as their siblings. There may be a valid argument that they should all be moved to "Fashion in Country" across the board, so I'm willing to withdraw this if somebody is willing to tackle a comprehensive batch nomination, but there's no legitimate case to be made that these two countries alone should be pushed out of sync with their siblings. Bearcat (talk) 16:02, 25 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Comment As the nominator of the speedy renames above, I should say it was indeed my intention to move all categories to Category:Fashion in Fooland. This was a follow-up to a long-standing reorganisation effort of parent Category:Culture by country and siblings such as Category:Music by country by myself and others. The goal was to move away from ambiguous adjectives, and mention the country's name, as almost all main articles of those categories already did. So I set out to rearrange the Category:Fashion by country tree, starting with the United States and India, which already had main articles that could be speedied. However, I found that several sibling cats such as Category:German fashion had main articles with corresponding titles of Fooian fashion, like German fashion. I was considering whether to BOLDly rename those per WP:TITLECON, but I wasn't sure whether that would be enough, and then I sort of gave up, went on to do other stuff and forgot about it (sorry). I agree that the catnames should be consistent, but then the main article titles should be made consistent first in order to avoid an endless conflict between C2C and C2D. My preference would still be to rename all the main articles to Fashion in Fooland, after which the categories can follow. NLeeuw (talk) 18:53, 25 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Comparison Most child categories of Category:Fashion by country do not have a main article, if they contain any articles at all (besides a few subcategories). Although most have Fooian fashion catnames right now, in Commons, all c:Category:Fashion by country subcategories are named Category:Fashion of Fooland. The main articles which are about fashion in/of/from a particular country are about evenly matched in frequency between Fooian fashion (mostly concentrated in European articles) and Fashion in Fooland (from countries around the world, especially Asia). I've allowed for some variation in names, e.g. Japanese street fashion and Genderless fashion in Japan; a great example of inconsistency within the same country category.

Fooian fashion main articles:

Brazilian fashion
Canadian fashion
French fashion (but bold opening sentence "Fashion in France")
German fashion
Israeli fashion
Italian fashion (but Fashion in Milan)
Japanese street fashion
Russian fashion
Swedish fashion

Fashion in Fooland main articles:

. (Fashion in Barcelona, but doesn't really count for all of Spain)

This is illustrates the problem I ran into: I couldn't really invoke WP:TITLECON, because there was no clear majority naming convention. We would have to discuss it in either a very large discussion, or on a tedious case-by-case basis, neither of which seemed very appealing to me. NLeeuw (talk) 19:28, 25 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Rename for now per discussion above, without objection to a broader nomination in opposite direction. Marcocapelle (talk) 19:35, 25 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Category:KCIC Line

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The result of the discussion was: delete (non-admin closure) House Blaster (talk · he/him) 00:56, 3 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Propose deleting Category:KCIC Line (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)

Nominator's rationale: One eponymous page. Gonnym (talk) 08:58, 25 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Delete per nom. The parent categories are not appropriate to add to the article. Marcocapelle (talk) 19:38, 25 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Category:Sikh terminology

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The result of the discussion was: delete (non-admin closure) House Blaster (talk · he/him) 00:56, 3 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Propose deleting Category:Sikh terminology (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)

Nominator's rationale: delete, this is a whole lot of entirely unrelated terms which have already been dispersed among other subcategories of Category:Sikhism. The only exceptions are Glossary of Sikhism, Patit and Sahajdhari which should be moved to Category:Sikhism. Many "terminology" categories have been deleted before. Marcocapelle (talk) 05:54, 25 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Delete per nom. NLeeuw (talk)

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