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On 16 October, 2007, Did you know? was updated with a fact from the article Swami Vipulananda, which you created or substantially expanded. If you know of another interesting fact from a recently created article, then please suggest it on the Did you know? talk page.

Are you a founder of this-Wikipedia:WikiProject Sri Lanka Reconciliation? A definite worthy goal. I stumbled upon it because I noticed the ANI and SSP case going on. How have things been going? No offense intended, but it seems to me that several of our Sri Lankan editors use en.wiki to fight the real Sri Lankan civil war in the virtual realm. Rlevse 02:28, 17 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Let's just use your talk page. I have a watch set. You were obviously referring to Lahiru_k. It's too bad there are so many sockpuppets connected to that account if he/she was trying to reconcile, but that also is violation of wiki policy. The SSP clearly shows collusion and vote stacking. I also thought it odd that Snowolf4 claimed you were called a sock; whereas Sumoeagle179 did initially tag you, he also quickly reverted it once he discovered the error. I'm sure it was an honest mistake. Moving on to the future, I have to agree that many of the SL editors are headed to a community ban. But, it has to get reported because the admins can't watch every single article and few, if any, of them are experts on SL issues. Let me know if you need anything. Rlevse 10:38, 17 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]

On 17 October, 2007, Did you know? was updated with a fact from the article Negombo Tamils , which you created or substantially expanded. If you know of another interesting fact from a recently created article, then please suggest it on the Did you know? talk page.

Hi Taprobanus. The easiest way to move pictures is to use Magnus Manske's "move to commons helper", which is accessible here: http://tools.wikimedia.de/~magnus/commonshelper.php. The language code for Tamil is ta. Once the file's been moved to commons, you can use it on the English wikipedia, and on all other wikimedia projects. -- Arvind 21:14, 20 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]

On 22 October, 2007, Did you know? was updated with a fact from the article Arumuga Navalar , which you created or substantially expanded. If you know of another interesting fact from a recently created article, then please suggest it on the Did you know? talk page.

Your DYK nomination for American Ceylon Mission‎ looks good. As far as actually making it to the main page is concerned, the DYK updates are generally done in the order in which the articles are created. I submitted Barn Bluff (Red Wing, Minnesota) on October 27 and it hasn't gone all the way through the queue yet, but it's likely to go through tomorrow sometime. --Elkman ^(Elkspeak) 20:01, 31 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]

On November 5, 2007, Did you know? was updated with a fact from the article American Ceylon Mission, which you created or substantially expanded. If you know of another interesting fact from a recently created article, then please suggest it on the Did you know? talk page.

Interesting bit of information. No, my sources do not mention any such details. Regarding a Ganga Kingdom connection, we know South Karnataka came under the Cholas for about a century during which time some Ganga descendents may have taken a "Chola identity" under the new overlords. Regarding connections to the Vijayanagara Empire, I believe that during the rule of Devaraya II (1425-1450), tributes were extracted from the island kingdom. But I dont have any more info than this. Good luck with the article.Dineshkannambadi 21:45, 1 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]

There is no wiki specific template for the Kings info box. I took it from somewhere (dont recall) and modified it to suit my purpose. Just type Template:Western Ganga Kings Infobox in the search field and go to the template file. Edit this page-->Copy and Paste it to a different file name and use it appropriately for your needs.thanks.Dineshkannambadi 18:04, 3 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]

I believe you mean Eastern Gangas of Kalinga. I will take a look as soon as possible.thanksDineshkannambadi (talk) 17:04, 5 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]

I have added some comments for now in the article's talk page. Will look in more carefully later this week.thanksDineshkannambadi (talk) 18:31, 9 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]

You are welcome.Dineshkannambadi (talk) 03:31, 10 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Hi. Though I mentioned earlier its important to cite often, I did not mean at the end of very sentence. That would be sort of an overkill. Just make it reasonably often, at the right points, so that people wont tag the article. Currently it looks over crowded with citations. Sorry if I did not clarify this earlier. thanks.Dineshkannambadi (talk) 18:48, 11 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]

I was just comparing to some Karnataka FA's where I have also cited quite often but not needed for every sentence, unless its a "power" sentence. One gets a feel for it as one goes along. Under any circumstance, removing a few citations is easier than adding new ones. Yes, if you are awaiting secondary book source citations, thats good.Dineshkannambadi (talk) 19:00, 11 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Please check and make sure I did not change the intended meaning during copy edits to History section.thanksDineshkannambadi (talk) 01:44, 14 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks. I will take a look later this week at the other sections.Dineshkannambadi (talk) 03:37, 20 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]

I have been busy with other articles in the last 3 weeks. Will get back to yours next week and take a closer look at the sections that I have not touched so far.Dineshkannambadi (talk) 18:58, 16 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]

You pretty well gutted the Chandrabhanu article. Could you please explain why? Corvus cornix_talk 02:49, 5 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]

OK, you gave a good reason, so I'll revert myself. Thanks for your answer. Corvus cornix_talk 02:59, 5 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]

I just had a quick look. The article seems very well-written. Will give a detailed review later. -- Sundar ^{\talk \contribs} 04:58, 6 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Very good, in fact. I'll have a detailed read over the weekend, but well done. -- Arvind (talk) 17:14, 6 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]

I would love to help, can you tell me what you would like researched or looked at? Bakaman 02:08, 8 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]

I watchlisted it. Perhaps you may want to look at this book? which may have a mention of the flag.Bakaman 20:29, 8 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Baka is right - Rajanayagam definitely discusses the flag and their connection with the Gangas in some detail. The Eastern Ganga rulers most certainly did have a couchant bull facing to the left as their insignia, and there has been some speculation in the academic literature about whether the Arya Chakravarti dynasty borrowed this symbol from them. I have Rajanayagam's book somewhere, but I've recently moved house and I haven't finished unpacking yet so I'm not quite sure where it is. I'll try to see if I can find it if you don't have access to it. I'm also quite sure I've read an article in a Sri Lankan journal which says that the crest was borrowed by the Jaffna rulers from the Eastern Gangas - if need be, I will try looking for it on my next visit to the British Library in mid January. -- Arvind (talk) 02:35, 9 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]

On 28 December, 2007, Did you know? was updated with a fact from the article Vannimai, which you created or substantially expanded. If you know of another interesting fact from a recently created article, then please suggest it on the Did you know? talk page.

On 13 January, 2008, Did you know? was updated with a fact from the article Portuguese conquest of Jaffna Kingdom, which you created or substantially expanded. If you know of another interesting fact from a recently created article, then please suggest it on the Did you know? talk page.

Not sure. Interesting stuff though. From the books I have read, from ~400AD are the earliest coins with clear Kannada legends (Kadamba coins now in the Prince of Wales Mueseum, Mumbai). In fact as far as I know, Prakrit was their language of administration though it was common to find Telugu and Kannada words in their inscriptions.Dineshkannambadi (talk) 16:13, 17 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]

I am always on the look out for such new information. If I find anything, I will let you know.Dineshkannambadi (talk) 16:43, 20 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Sorry to say that American Ceylon Mission has failed in GAC. My primary concerns:

• What is ACM is not clear throughout the article: organization (officially) or a group of people termed by others as ACM???
• Broad in coverage???
• Focussed???

American Ceylon Mission is just the 3rd article, i reviewed so i may be wrong. You are welcome to seek Wikipedia:Good article reassessment if you feel. Regards.--Redtigerxyz (talk) 14:43, 21 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks, you learn a lesson with each attempt. The article is better for it anyway :)) Taprobanus (talk) 15:41, 21 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Aryacakravarti dynasty, an article you nominated for good article status, has passed, and is now a good article. Thank you for your patience. You can help reduce the waiting time - review an article today! nedragehtnistercesruodeirubew 20:33, 1 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Belated congratulations! --Aadal (talk) 17:55, 5 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Hi there Taprobanus. I wanted to just share some info I found with you. There is research by the noted historian and scholar H.W. Tambiah which references the accounts of the traveller Al-Masudi in the tenth century to Jaffna (912 CE). He witnessed a funeral of a Tamil which conforms to the descriptions of funerals for Tamil Hindu kings during the classical Tamil period of Sangam literature, specifically described in the Purananuru (200BCE - 100 CE), as referenced by S.Vaiyapuri Pillai, Tamilar Panpatu, p. 52. Could you look into this info, and see where and how to include this? Thanks. Wubbabubba (talk) 09:56, 14 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Do we have the Al Masudi's accounts translated into English that is directly available to corroborates what S. Vaiyapuri Pillai is saying ? Taprobanus (talk) 15:03, 14 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]

The appendix here mentions commentary by Dr. S.A. Imam of the University of Ceylon on the extract from Masudi’s Mural al Dhahab I, 6 1-2, (Paris Edition). There is a translated extract from Masudi’s Muruj al Dhahab I, 61-2, Paris edition just below in Appendix 2. Tambiah highlights that these Tamil customs are consistent with customs mentioned in the Purananuru that are highlighted by S. Vaiyapuri Pillai in his book Tamilar Panpatu .Wubbabubba (talk) 15:21, 14 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]

I will try include this information somehow. Thanks Taprobanus (talk) 16:56, 14 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Is a general wiki terminology for those links that add value to the article. For instance, if you wrote, "the main agricultural product of north-east Sri Lanka is a native form of mango called abcdxyz, which is not grown anywhere else in the world"... the link to product does not offer the reader any more information and is basically unnecessary, but the link to abcdxyz does offer a lot of information he would like to read about.Dineshkannambadi (talk) 20:46, 9 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Oh yes! The Seuna kings (950-1320), it is argued by many historians, were of Kannada stock. The prevalence of Kannada in Maharashtra during medieval times is known even from Kavirajamarga which claims Kannada was popular between the Godavari and Kaveri. The Godavari river bisects Maharashtra into halves, going east-west. In fact, some scholars do not consider Marathi an Aryan language, rather one of the Pancha dravida. But this is controversial ofcourse.Dineshkannambadi (talk) 19:00, 12 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Hi, How are you? :-) I'm working with this article on A. V. Meiyappan. My aim to get it featured on the Main Page on the anniversary of AVM's 101st birthday. It would be great if you could help. The Filmography' section is the only one remaining.. The rest is almost over. Thanks -Ravichandar_{My coffee shop} 17:58, 14 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]

I removed Srirangam's gross personal attacks on other editors. Your advise to him is sagely, so I left it alone.. even if passers-by dont make sense of it.. I suppose Srirangam will be able to. Thanks. Sarvagnya 00:17, 15 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Hi,
what would you like to be sourced? The fact that these places do indeed carry these names, or the fact that the names are etymologically unrelated? Jasy jatere (talk) 18:36, 20 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Ehm, actually, I was never gone ... just didn't invest a lot of time into WP during the last months. And I'm not sure if I will. But what's going on there in the Place Names article is just too interesting to let it go by unnoticed and uncommented ... However, I grow tired increasingly quickly now when I have to deal with - excuse my French - boneheads who are dedicated to one-way-thinking and "irrational reasoning". That's why I try to keep a low profile on WP now. But I'm always willing to put in my knowledge and opinions. Well, we'll see ... Anyway, thanks a lot for your "re-welcome". You may have inspired me. Feels good to be appreciated. So, I'll see you around! Take care, Krankman (talk) 21:54, 3 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]

The "e" with macrons can be found in the special characters row below the edit box

Characters: Á á Ć ć É é Í í Ĺ ĺ Ń ń Ó ó Ŕ ŕ Ś ś Ú ú Ý ý Ź ź À à È è Ì ì Ò ò Ù ù Â â Ĉ ĉ Ê ê Ĝ ĝ Ĥ ĥ Î î Ĵ ĵ Ô ô Ŝ ŝ Û û Ŵ ŵ Ŷ ŷ Ä ä Ë ë Ï ï Ö ö Ü ü Ÿ ÿ ß Ã ã Ẽ ẽ Ĩ ĩ Ñ ñ Õ õ Ũ ũ Ỹ ỹ Ç ç Ģ ģ Ķ ķ Ļ ļ Ņ ņ Ŗ ŗ Ş ş Ţ ţ Đ đ Ů ů Ǎ ǎ Č č Ď ď Ě ě Ǐ ǐ Ľ ľ Ň ň Ǒ ǒ Ř ř Š š Ť ť Ǔ ǔ Ž ž Ā ā Ē ē <== here

As for ழ/ZH, that's more difficult, you may have to do a copy&paste from ḻa

Or were you looking for some kind of keyboard shortcut? Jasy jatere (talk) 08:05, 5 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]

I notice I only commented on ழ. You might also be interested in ள், which is the retroflex l properly speaking.

You can find the real retroflex l's also in the special char section under the edit window

IAST retroflex l is approx second row in Characers ļ

IPA retroflex l is under IPA: ɭ Jasy jatere (talk) 08:42, 5 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]

ஈழத் தமிழர், ēḻath thamiḻar is a mix of different systems, and correct in neither

* IPA: iːʐat̪ t̪amiʐar (although ʐ depends on the dialect, and is probably not appropriate for Sri Lanka, where ɭ might be better)

* IAST: īḻat tamiḻar (OK for all regions)

* laymen's approximation: eelath thamilar

I think you should go for IAST

sorry, I made a mistake last time wrt ஈ, it must be ī, not ē. English vowel pronunciation is very misleading when it comes to IPA and IAST Jasy jatere (talk) 08:38, 6 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks so much for the Barnstar! That caught me completely by surprise. :-) All I can say is that I've enjoyed helping out with the article very much—I intend to continue—and I'd be delighted to be included on any other articles you work on. --AnnaFrance (talk) 23:21, 4 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

What do you make of this mess? It's too complicated for me. See Watch's thread on my talk page. — Rlevse • Talk • 00:57, 7 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Done Taprobanus (talk) 12:27, 7 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

I've provided the reference and a quote here. -- Arvind (talk) 15:06, 8 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

See my comment at GregMannin's talk page. Gatoclass (talk) 02:15, 13 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

I've added a citation. Thanks a lot for nominating it, Taprobanus. I'd thought about it myself, but I wasn't sure what'd be an appropriate hook. -- Arvind (talk) 10:33, 13 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

On 15 July, 2008, Did you know? was updated with a fact from the article Iraiyanar Akapporul, which you recently nominated. If you know of another interesting fact from a recently created article, then please suggest it on the Did you know? talk page.

Hi. I reviewed and promoted your nomination for Sri Lankan Tamil people. Good work! Intothewoods29 (talk) 18:00, 30 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Congrats for GA and all the Best for FA. Leave me a note, if you need me anytime for a review. If free, i will surely review.--Redtigerxyz (talk) 13:50, 5 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

I'm sorry the article is having such trouble in the review. I feel totally responsible: it was a poor choice on my part not to do a heavier copyedit. Their suggestion to bring in a different copyeditor is a good one. I'll make sure the Sri Lankan Tamil nationalism article gets a heavier copyedit. --AnnaFrance (talk — blunders) 12:48, 23 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

INMHO Dont ever take any comments personally in Wikipedia. What you are doing is a voluntary service and no one has any rights to say anything negative about it. There are thousands of people with thousands of opinion and a FA review is just a reflection of that. A beautiful free flowing sentence for one is a an absolute disaster for another :( we just take it on the chin and move on. You are not responsible at all. After all Sri Lankan Tamils is an obscure subject for most westerners so I expected it. Taprobanus (talk) 23:14, 23 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Congratulations on writing a most informative article! Is there anything I can do to help with the FA review? I don't know much about the FA process (I know the criteria, but I have had little experience applying them to actual articles), but I'm willing to help where I can. –Black Falcon ^(Talk) 17:21, 25 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Reading through the FA review, I noticed that the main issue seems to be some concerns about the prose. You may find it useful to contact a member of the Guild of Copy Editors (see the list of members) or one of the peer review volunteers. –Black Falcon ^(Talk) 18:10, 25 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

I did and he wants to wait till the dust settles down. So I will await Sandy's call as to whether the changes have been satisfactory, if not I will call upon my help Taprobanus (talk) 18:27, 25 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

I added my support, and I just want to say thanks to you and Watchdogb (who I'm pretty sure has this page watchlisted) for addressing all of the issues I brought up. Cheers, –Black Falcon ^(Talk) 23:01, 26 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

I'm sorry to see that it didn't pass. Still, it is a well-written article, and another thorough copyedit (I noticed that User:Michael Devore is working on it) should help to resolve any outstanding issues. –Black Falcon ^(Talk) 16:41, 31 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

I made a few minor changes to Sri Lankan Tamil people to tighten some language. I didn't see the problems that some others saw, however. The article was interesting. Ottava Rima (talk) 22:44, 26 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Sure. I'll get on it straight away. J.T. Pearson (talk) 11:01, 27 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Done. Excellent article, by the way. You've done a great job. J.T. Pearson (talk) 14:03, 27 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

If you ever need any articles copy edited, just leave a message on my talk page. J.T. Pearson (talk) 12:09, 28 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Dear Taprobanus, the article Sri Lankan Moors have been modified and the word "Moors" has been changed in "Muslims". This is not accurate, the article is talking about ethnicity. I suggested in the discussion to revert changes, I notify also to you. Paryeshakaya (talk) 06:17, 4 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]

I suppose you refer to this passage:

• Demel-kaballa (Tamil allotment), Demelat-valademin (Tamil villages), and Demel-gam-bim (Tamil villages and lands).[25]

This is not Tamil but Sinhala, and the transliteration is non-standard. දෙමළ means "Tamil", but should be transcribed demaḷ(a), which the author has not done here. gam is "villages" bim is "soil". I do not know kaballa and valademin. The -at in Demalat is strange and would be tamizhum in Tamil, no clue what -at/-um would do there. You might want to contact Krankman, he should know these things. Jasy jatere (talk) 09:53, 4 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]

As for the form on the page, given that it is a direct quote (I suppose), you might want to leave it that way. Jasy jatere (talk) 09:53, 4 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Hello Taprobanus !!!
Thanks for your comments and support at the Mangalore FAC. The article was promoted. I just came to know that Sri Lankan Tamil people has not been promoted. Do not worry. It will be promoted next time. Do ring me on my talk page when the article is at FAC again. Thanks, Kensplanet (talk) 11:20, 4 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]

I ask your help. For the second time I reverted the article on Colombo Chetties. The user 119.235.8.* keeps on putting a personal version of article, that is signed with his name. What do you suggest? Thanks, Paryeshakaya (talk) 16:30, 5 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]

I also believe it is not vandalism, but only lack of experience with Wikipedia. Paryeshakaya (talk) 17:01, 5 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Hi! I wish to expand this section on the portrayal of iyers in popular media. The subject is not in my area of expertise, nor have I been able to find enough material on the internet. It will be great if you could or find anyone who could.

I've almost finished the sub-section on "negative portrayal of iyers in print media". The rest, however, need to be completed. It would be great if you could help. Once completed, we could go for a peer review and an FA nomination. -Ravichandar_{My coffee shop} 14:07, 6 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Hi! Just observed the fixes you made to Iyer article. Good to see you back after a long time. :-) I've nominated the article for a peer-review but still there hasn't been any response. Anyway, the article is largely complete. There are very small issues about IPA and Indic text that need to be sorted out. I tried Google labs transliteration and Gate Virtual Keyboard for Tamil text but it has gone awry. When I copy-paste that stuff I find that I don't get the same thing here that appears in the virtual keyboard.

By the way, I've spotted a couple of articles which could be improved. They are Madras Presidency and Ananda Ranga Pillai. I stumbled upon a lot of material related to British India during the last 2 months; things mainly related to population stats and kind of administration, etc. Well, well, if we get some time, we could work on it. I feel we need to work on biography articles too. Anyway, bye for now, tc :-) -Ravichandar_{My coffee shop} 06:23, 14 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]

• • That's okay! :-) Anyway, do have a look at the article. The article has substantially expanded since it was selected as GA. I would like to know your opinion. -Ravichandar_{My coffee shop} 12:27, 14 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]

• • • Thanks for your suggestions :-) At present, the article has been submitted to the copy-edit team. I'll look into it once the copy-editing gets over. :-) Againt, thanks -Ravichandar_{My coffee shop} 03:16, 16 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]

		Rajaraja Chola Award
		Hi Taprobanus. Just to say you've done a wonderful job with your edits to the article over the past week - it flows much more smoothly now, and is a much better article for the work you've done. Arulmozhivarman smiles in delight.

-- Arvind (talk) 17:41, 21 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]

http://www.sangam.org/taraki/articles/2005/10-25_The_Muslim_Factor_in_the_Sri_Lankan_Ethnic_Crisis.php

“In actual fact, the Muslims of Sri Lanka are a mixture of Arab, Persian, Dravidian and Malay blood of which the Dravidian element, because of centuries of heavy Indian injection has remained the dominant one.”

An article by a Sri Lankan Muslim scholar Ameer Ali.

I read the arguments by you and another user. You may find this interesting.

Nagadeepa (talk) 20:05, 22 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]

sorry for the talk page stalking, but the Malays are definitely different from the so-called Moors, which might or might not have the three other origins mentioned. Jasy jatere (talk) 19:21, 24 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Hey. How have you been doing and how are the Sri Lanka things going? Thanks for your support here: Wikipedia:Featured article candidates/Joseph Barbera, but you struck out your sig when you supported. that might be worth looking into. — Rlevse • Talk • 10:10, 24 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Hi Taprobanus. I am no so familar with the image conventions, and you pointed out that somthing is wrong with the images in the FAC germanium, and some others are also not sure what is exactly wrong. May be one sentece make everything clear. Thanks --Stone (talk) 17:56, 24 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks!--Stone (talk) 09:50, 25 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Thank you very much :-). I've accumulated a great deal of material on History of Tamil Nadu from the 17th to 20th century AD. At present, I'm occupied with personal work. But from Nov onwards, we could start working with article on Madras Presidency. What do you say? :-) And by the way, I just want to clarify. I heard that Sri Lanka was a part of Madras Presidency in the late 1700s. So, I guess the article must also be within scope of Wikiproject Sri Lanka.Take care.-Ravichandar_{My coffee shop} 04:51, 28 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Hi, Thanks for your message. I just looked at the article and it looks really good. Great work! You have done a lot of work and rescued the article from the mess that it was. Takns and once again, great work Keep it up!.--Deepak D'Souza 16:56, 28 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]

I'm just trying to keep facts from being distorted, which is what is happening on the Dalit page. Twice on that page a survey by a Jesuit is cited in a way to give the impression that the only discrimination against Christian Dalits is from fellow Christians. Though this type of discrimination indeed occurs, we all know that the discrimination from casted Hindus towards these Dalits is far more frequent and violent! Perhaps you could help correct this distortion. Also, in the historical attitude section, a pathetic farce is being perpetrated. Can you imagine a "Slavery in the US" article where the "historical attitudes" section mentions only the very rare Southern white people who defended the slaves? That would be a disservice to the memory of the slaves and their descendants. 192.33.141.225 (talk) 21:21, 28 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]

I just wanted to be clear that I wasn't blaming it on you- I just got heated up. But I think we can agree that the page needs work :) 192.33.141.225 (talk) 21:30, 28 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Hello Taprobanus. The piece I'm thinking of is a contribution in a book. Here's the citation:

Schalk, Peter, "Robert Caldwell's Derivation īlam<sīhala: A Critical Assessment", in Chevillard, Jean-Luc (ed.), South-Indian Horizons: Felicitation Volume for François Gros on the occasion of his 70th birthday, Pondichéry: Institut Français de Pondichéry, pp. 347–364, ISBN 2855396301.

I have a copy, but it is buried somewhere. For the moment, though, I've provided a long quote from Thomas Burrow on Talk:Indo-Aryan loanwords in Tamil - he, too, takes the view that the name is Dravidian. Will that do for now? -- Arvind (talk) 12:18, 29 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]

i mean no harm to anybody. i am an honest person who has dalit heritage. i do not care about hindus or christians. what i do care about is uniting indians and hoping that one day all indians will stand hand in hand and face our adversaries :)