Talk:Independent Olympic Athletes at the 2012 Summer Olympics: Difference between revisions

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Are there any more than two competitors here? If not, should the article be named in a way that's clearer as to why they are independent participants? Andy Dingley (talk) 00:07, 29 May 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Currently only 2 athletes from the Netherlands Antilles have qualified, potentially we could see a swimmer qualify too. Officially we don't know what name athletes from Netherlands Antilles will compete as. Originally it was decided to use IOP until further notice due to the potential of Kosovo and South Sudan also competing as IOPs as well. Nothing has been said about South Sudan (though it seems that they probably won't compete) and Kosovo's athlete has been told no and is now officially representing Albania. I guess we could write down the reason why Netherlands Antilles no longer has an NOC recognized by the IOC.JoshMartini007 (talk) 05:28, 31 May 2012 (UTC)[reply]

A source for the choice of IOP as country code would be appreciated. Other options include IOA or IOC. IOP was used for a nation under sanctions and would seem an odd choice, IOA was used for a newly independent nation and IOC was used most recently, albeit not at the Olympic Games. 88.88.163.201 (talk) 22:20, 1 July 2012 (UTC)[reply]

The official name for athletes competing under the Olympic flag has now been announced here as Independent Olympic Athletes.130.88.141.34 (talk) 17:11, 17 July 2012 (UTC)[reply]

The request to rename this article to Independent Olympic Athletes at the 2012 Summer Olympics has been carried out. If the page title has consensus, be sure to close this discussion using {{subst:RM top|'''page moved'''.}} and {{subst:RM bottom}} and remove the {{Requested move/dated|…}} tag, or replace it with the {{subst:Requested move/end|…}} tag.

Independent Olympic Participants at the 2012 Summer Olympics → Independent Olympic Athletes at the 2012 Summer Olympics – They are referred to as Independent Olympic Athletes at the official site, and it also closely matches the source for the IOC decision. As reliable sources show that these athletes will compete as Independent Olympic Athletes and not as any of the similar designations used in the past, the article should be moved according to WP:AT. The move should be implemented as soon as possible so the article is not incorrectly titled when the games begin. There are no sources available to people outside LOCOG for 2012 use of Independent Olympic Participants. 88.88.160.158 (talk) 23:16, 19 July 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Support - Comment. The phrase "There are no sources for 2012 use of Independent Olympic Participants" isn't exactly true, as there are some sources that reference IOPs as well as sources that references IOAs, hence why there had been several debates over the naming issue since April this year. I also explained that as a Games Maker, I was privy to internal documents which also listed three nations as IOPs, that number then reduced to 2 nations, still listed as IOPs on the official documents (London 2012 at the time hadn't published NOC details in full, as they were waiting for the final list before releasing the data on their website). Since Kuwait has been granted their NOC status back, a further change was made to the list of NOC, changing Netherlands Antilles from IOP to IOA code. This information held by LOCOG has since been released onto their website. By the time the 7-day discussion has lapsed for this RM, will know exactly whether its IOP or IOA - the way the IOC and LOCOG are constantly changing their minds over codes lately, anything could happen in the next 7 days.Wesley Mouse 23:29, 19 July 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Comment: Sorry, I meant sources available to the general public; I have clarified above. 88.88.160.158 (talk) 07:21, 20 July 2012 (UTC)[reply]

(edit conflict) I think this is likely to be the outcome but we should apply some caution; of the two links given one is from 2011 and has since been contradicted at times by other sources and the official site still includes Kuwait athletes despite indication that they may well compete under their own flag. The removal of Kuwait athletes may mean (and this is just a guess based on previous IOC policy with East Timor) that they compete under IOA but as Individual Olympic athletes - Basement12 (T.C) 23:32, 19 July 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Comment: According to this LOCOG is aware that the designation currently only applies to one (former) NOC, furthermore the presence of Kuwaiti athletes could conceivably demonstrate that they would have used the same designation regardless of number of NOCs affected, and that the change for Kuwait came to close to publication. (Kuwait certainly were intended to compete as Independent Olympic Athletes.) Anyway this is the correct title as of today, and if it were to change it would be easy to remedy by a second move.88.88.160.158 (talk) 07:21, 20 July 2012 (UTC)[reply]