Talk:Lakshmi/Archive 1

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spelling: siting → sitting (don't have access) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Novalis78 (talk • contribs) 14:34, 4 July 2022 (UTC)

I just redid the transliteration for the eight kinds of wealth. I didn't want to make it unfriendly for those not unicode friendly in the first place, but saw umlauts for macrons and thought I'd just revamp the list to IAST standards. If you disagree with this, simply revert. I thought her epithets (the पद्मप्रिय, etc) might also be rendered in Devanagari w/ proper transliteration. And is the श्री|śrī commentary necessary here? Other miscellaneous elements could be cleaned up and standardized perhaps. I know that there are a whole lot of people here whose knowledge of Hinduism far surpasses mine though, so I'll leave that to them ;-) Khirad^talk 23:52, 16 November 2005 (UTC)

There is absolutely no reason why Lakshmi's epithets shouldn't be on this page. All other goddess articles have their epithets and other names listed on their actual article page. Lakshmi's page isn't very big anyway, and removing it just makes it even smaller. Editing the category, deleting it or relocating it is not acceptable Wikipedia conduct, as others have also tried to put it back after you have removed it. Please rethink your actions. 80.43.96.64 17:20, 20 December 2006 (UTC)

I agree with you in that right now the list of names is small. However, later on if other people add more names (I think there are 108 names like for many Hindu deities) it will become too big. I was just pre-empting the big list of names in the future. Do you want to wait until other people add more names and then relocate it when it takes too much space. Also if you see most other pages, they have their list of names closer to the bottom. I don't think a list looks good in the middle of the article. Gizza^{Chat ©} 21:16, 20 December 2006 (UTC)

I already added another three names, Sridevi, Bhumi Devi and Chanchala. I am fine with keeping it here at the moment but I know Lakshmiji has many more names so eventually it will have to be moved. On a lot of Wikipedia pages, there is only a link on the main page because the list is too big. Gizza^{Chat ©} 21:33, 20 December 2006 (UTC)

Well, I think for now the list should be kept on the main page as it isn't too big, but if you think it would be better moved a little further down the page to suit the other gods articles I think that's ok (as long as it is the same as the other gods articles). Perhaps you can keep an eye out and if the list does become too big you should do something about it then. But it is important for the list of any god's epithets to be easily found in an article. 80.43.37.9 17:10, 21 December 2006 (UTC)

Can someone add this. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 89.243.125.126 (talk) 14:35, 26 April 2007 (UTC).

You can add it yourself if you have a verifiable source. (Ghostexorcist 19:55, 26 April 2007 (UTC))

Okay I am sick and tired of someone adding the astrological information to the opening, and omitting the comparisons to the Greco-Roman goddesses. That's why this article got tagged: the astro info is wholly irrelevant and sounds unencyclopedic, and doesn't really even apply to the discussion of the goddess. Can a moderator please prevent these changes from being made again? Ikshveku 09:38, 7 November 2007 (UTC)

Added ==refimprove== tag to this section because it doesn't cite any outside sources--just links to wikipedia articles. PainMan 18:53, 9 November 2007 (UTC)

Correction. It does not cite enough outside sources. --Ghostexorcist 19:15, 9 November 2007 (UTC)

Due to the recent creation of class C and introduction of 6-clause B-criteria, i am checking this artcle for the B-criteria:

• The article is suitably referenced, with inline citations where necessary.

Very few Inline citations for an article of this size.

• The article reasonably covers the topic, and does not contain obvious omissions or inaccuracies.

Her associations with other gods except Vishnu like "as a wife of Sūrya , as a wife of Prajā-pati , as a wife of Dharma and mother of Kāma , as sister or mother of Dhātṛ and Vidhātṛ , as wife of Datt^atreya , as one of the 9 Śaktis of Viṣṇu , as a manifestation of Prakṛti &c. , as identified with Dākshāyaṇī" not covered in detail. Association with Ganesha as a shakti. Role in other religions like Jainism not covered. Historical development, mention in Rigveda, identification with goddess Sri [1] missing

• The article has a defined structure, including a lead section and all appropriate sections of content.

lists and one-line para, not in std form

• The article is reasonably well written.
• The article contains supporting materials, such as an infobox, images, or diagrams, where appropriate.
• The article presents its content in an appropriately accessible way.

RESULT: C-classRedtigerxyz (talk) 14:04, 16 July 2008 (UTC)

There is an actress named Laxmi; the article of that name redirects here. Unfortunately, there has been a lot of very lazy linking (see what links to Laxmi). Anyone want to take on the clean-up? — crism (talk) 20:17, 13 August 2008 (UTC)

Never mind; there weren’t actually all that many. Fixed, I think. — crism (talk) 20:42, 13 August 2008 (UTC)

Atharva veda:7.46 doesn't say that Lakshmī is the consort of Vishnu. It says that Sinīvālī is the consort of Vishnu. Further , Lakshmī is not mentioned in vedas

Hence, 7.46.3 is mistranslated hopelessly. I am replacing the reference.....--Powerprowess (talk) 08:29, 19 January 2009 (UTC)

Laksmi is homologous to another of Visnu's consorts, Sinīvālī. JSTOR: Early Vaisnava Bhakti and Its Autochthonous HeritageWikidās ॐ 15:04, 19 January 2009 (UTC)

Radha was never married to Krishna. In fact she was married to someone else like all the other Gopikas. Krishna was a boy when he was in Brindavan. Radha and all the Gopikas were much older than him. Rukmani and Sathyabhama are the well known wives of Krishna. This is what is written in Srimad Bagavatha. Sankarrukku (talk) 15:53, 19 October 2010 (UTC)

Radha is wife of Krishna and this is not only mentioned in authentic scriptures but is believed in Northern India (specially Bihar and UP) from where she belongs to. In Bandhiravan they married with every riturals in front of every Good and Goddess. She is Krishna eternal consort Lakshmi and even this fact is present in every authentic scriptures that mentions her. But still don't know why some people are always trying to hide these facts. And this is never mentioned in any authentic scriptures that she is the wife of someone else. So please I do request that don't hurt others sentiment and don't mislead the rest. Maiou (talk) 08:41, 4 January 2021 (UTC)

Who said you. First you read all purana books not only one. Some purna mentioned that radha is Mahalakshmi herself. Then comment like this OK. Radha is Avatar of Mahalakshmi. She is Sri Bhu Nila. Also Sita Vedavati Astalakshmi. When narada went to see radha he see Mahalakshmi swaroop. She is born in lotus. It is also said that when hanuman went to vrindavan he so sita swaroop in radha. Radha is the first wife of Krishna. They married secretly with the presence of Lord Brahma. Rukmini is Sridevi Satyabhama is Bhudevi Nappinnai or Nagnajiti is Niladevi Sri Bhu Nila are form of Mahalakshmi. Sita and Radha is Mahalakshmi. Rukmini Satyabhama Nagnaniti is partial incarnation of Mahalakshmi. Sri Bhu Nila is partial incarnation of Mahalakshmi. Sita and Radha are poorna avatar of Mahalakshmi. Jai Radha Krishna Jai Lakshmi Narayana Jai Rukmini Krishna Jai Astabharya Krishna 2409:4073:4D8C:68F2:0:0:B0C9:7C0E (talk) 10:50, 5 August 2021 (UTC)

Shouldn't the spelling Laxmi be explicitly mentioned somewhere near the top? —Tamfang (talk) 04:12, 21 March 2011 (UTC)

AALAKSHMI VAHANA IS OWL, SHE IS THE WIFE OF KAALEE DITYA, THEY RESIDE IN THE PLACE LIKE WHERE PEOPLE QUARREL, AND WHERE DIRT IS PLACED IN THE HOUSES OR OFFICE ..THEY BOTH KAALE AND AALAKSHMI MAKE PEOPLE TODO BAD THINGS, ONE SUCH EXAMPLE IS IT IS BELIEVED THAT AALAKSHMI RESIDE INSIDE MANTRA AND PRECHED EVIL THINGS TO THE MIND OF KAYKAEE,THIRD WIFE OFRAJA DASHARATH,KING OF, TO SEND LORD SHRI RAAMA TO FOREST FOR 14YEAR. IN THE MAHABHARATH DURYODHANA HIMSELF IS KAALII AND HIS WIFE BHANUMATHI IS AALAKSHMI. IT SI BELIVED THAT WHERE EVER THESE COUPLES STAY THEIR EVIL THINGS WILL HAPPEN . — Preceding unsigned comment added by 115.249.29.230 (talk) 05:47, 7 November 2011 (UTC)

The meaning of Lakshmi does not mean only a "mark, sign" but has root with "LAKS" लक्ष्, which means: Look in English(Lukati in Slavic) with appendix "IM" मी, which could be "movement, understanding, creating comething"...

"mlk" (Lakshmlk) could mean many things (in context); for example म्लुच् (mluc (mluk); "to go") or malika (a king), melaka (assembly),...

A statuette of Lakshim was found in Pompeii, Italy, dated before of the Vesuvium eruction of 79 AD. See http://www.pompeiiinpictures.com/pompeiiinpictures/R1/1%2008%2005.htm — Preceding unsigned comment added by 70.39.186.132 (talk) 06:01, 15 January 2015 (UTC)

The 108 names section may have been copy/pasted from this web page Amonth others, where the information is listed in the exact order. Not sure if theres any reason not to have these lists (IE; copyrights) just pointing this out, not removing it@NDKilla^^^ 19:33, 26 February 2015 (UTC)

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Please include this early iconography of Lakshmi image on page.117.198.121.59 (talk) 12:33, 15 August 2020 (UTC)

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Introductory Passage typo: Yogini is missing the last i. The word is linked to the appropriate Yogini page, but the hyperlinked word is misspelled. The typo is in the second sentence of the second-last paragraph of the introductory opening. The full sentence (italics added): "She typically stands or sits like a yogin on a lotus pedestal, while holding a lotus in her hand, symbolizing fortune, self-knowledge, and spiritual liberation." The sentence has two reference citations, numbers 22 & 25. Yogin is a masculine & neuter gender Sanskrit noun which is inappropriate to use for a decidedly feminine entity, & would also properly be written as Yogi in the nominative case regardless of whether it is in the masculine or neuter sense. 49.36.29.222 (talk) 15:09, 23 October 2020 (UTC)

 Done -ink&fables «talk» 16:24, 23 October 2020 (UTC)

The entire lead looks like a user's personal POV rather than a neutral veiw. There are multiple problems with the lead of this article:

Regards, .💠245CMR💠.•^👥📜 16:46, 17 December 2020 (UTC)

@245CMR: Lakshmi's main forms Sri, Bhu and Durga: What is this South India and North India thing. Do one thing write as According to Ramanujacharya and Madhvacharya the main forms of Lakshmi are Sri, Bhu and Durga. If you have your views say Nimbarka says this or Vallabha says so and so then add it rather than removing the sentence. Please understand one thing Sri Vaishnavism and Sadh Vaishnavism are not just followed in South India they have huge presence in Maharashtra, Gujarat, Madhya Pradesh, Rajasthan and Bihar. So, you should not use terms like South India for things like this. There are two prominent mutts of Sri Vaishnavism in Vrindavan and Rajasthan they are Jhalariya Mutt and Jankivallabh Mandir of Keshighat their followers are spread throughout UP, Rajasthan, Gujarat and Maharashtra. Likewise The main priests of Gaya - the Gayawal Brahmin community are followers of Uttaradi Math of Sadh Vaishnavism tradition. Uttaradi Math followers are not only spread throughout South India, the math also have huge presence in Maharashtra and Madhya Pradesh. The Kashi Math and Gokarna Math of Varanasi and Goa also have huge following in their respective states. So, please add which acharya's views you wanted to add rather removing the content. Thank You. - MRRaja001 ^(talk) 07:19, 19 December 2020 (UTC)

I am not saying to remove this from the article but from the lead as it is clearly mentioned that she has "multiple aspects". But lion should be removed from the infobox as this is just like mentioning Adishesha, peacock, lion, etc. as Ganesha's mount (these are regional). .💠245CMR💠.•^👥📜 13:02, 19 December 2020 (UTC)

My take on the various issues:

• Mother goddess should be included in infobox and lead. I have changed the wording a little to be in sync with the references.
• Avatars like Sita and Rukmini need to be included in lead. Avatars are a significant part of Vaishnava ideology.
• Checked Isaeva 1993: "Lakshmi's main forms Sri, Bhu and Durga" is categorically said to be Madhava's thoughts only, Not Vaishnavism as a whole. Significant to be included in the article, but not lead if limited to Madhavacharya. Can more references about the same be provided to prove it a mainstream view? I will reference on this further, before commenting more.
• Lion: I haven't checked the references yet. However, as per my knowledge, Lion like the tortoise are rare vahanas of Lakshmi. Generally, the owl and elephant are depicted as vahanas. Should be mentioned in iconography, but can be removed from infobox. However, I will reference on this further to comment later. Redtigerxyz ^Talk 13:38, 19 December 2020 (UTC)

@Redtigerxyz: "Lakshmi's main forms Sri, Bhu and Durga": Seeking Mahadevi: Constructing the Identities of the Hindu Great Goddess], Rise of the Goddess in the Hindu Tradition, Please go through these citations too. - MRRaja001 ^(talk) 15:02, 19 December 2020 (UTC)

The reference is clearly stating that it is found in Garuda Purana. It is not the only Vaishnava text. .💠245CMR💠.•^👥📜 15:26, 19 December 2020 (UTC)

I am gone with multiple general religious encyclopedias like "Handbook of Hindu mythology" by Williams, Britannica, "encyclopedia of Hinduism" - Jones & Ryan, "The Illustrated Encyclopedia of Hinduism" by Lochtefeld; none of the same mention the same. Both references by Tracy Pintchman categorially say as it is as per Garuda Purana. Only main manifestations should be in the lead. "Sri, Bhu and Durga" should in "Manifestations and aspects". Same principle applies to the "lion". --Redtigerxyz ^Talk 16:41, 19 December 2020 (UTC)

@Redtigerxyz: Its not just in Garuda Purana, it is also mentioned in Vaishnava Pancharatras, go through page 152 once Citation 1 - MRRaja001 ^(talk) 17:00, 19 December 2020 (UTC)

Redtigerxyz This is not neutral but focusing on one POV, similar situation like Radha. .💠245CMR💠.•^👥📜 17:30, 19 December 2020 (UTC)

User:MRRaja001, I have full access to this book (my edition is different). I have also checked the Notes to Chapter 3. All quotes where Sri, Bhu, Durga are mentioned are linked to Garuda Purana. pp. 152-3 says that the Pancharatras have the concept of virya, not the three forms of Lakshmi.Redtigerxyz ^Talk 17:53, 19 December 2020 (UTC)

User:245CMR Strongly disagree with Radha statement. The situation here is ideal; we have someone who respects Wikipedia policies like WP:RS and discusses. I do not see issues of WP:OWNERSHIP here. Only problem I see here is WP:UNDUE. Let us give due credit to the editor. Redtigerxyz ^Talk 17:53, 19 December 2020 (UTC)

@Redtigerxyz: In Vaishnavism as far as i know, Sri Vaishnavism, Madhva Sampradaya and Swaminarayan Sampradaya have these same views. But i don't know about other sections. Your wish you can edit accordingly, Thank you for the chat. - MRRaja001 ^(talk) 04:31, 20 December 2020 (UTC)

Redtigerxyz What is the conclusion. .💠245CMR💠.•^👥📜 05:50, 20 December 2020 (UTC)

According to me, Sri, Bhu, Durga should be removed from the lead. Same with the Lion in the infobox. .💠245CMR💠.•^👥📜 06:51, 20 December 2020 (UTC)

User:MRRaja001, User:245CMR, I am of the opinion "Sri, Bhu, Durga" in aspects as a signifant POV. Lion references I have not checked, prima facie as per my knowledge, not mainstream view. About Swaminarayan Sampradaya, I disagree. Their thoughts differ from Sri Vaishnavas and I haven't read about it in their literature. I have worked on Swaminarayan Sampradaya and Swaminarayan articles in the past and haven't encountered these views. However, I may be wrong too. Redtigerxyz ^Talk 16:36, 21 December 2020 (UTC)

The previous lead was "Lakshmi is both the wife and divine energy (shakti) of the Hindu god Vishnu, the Supreme Being of Vaishnavism; she is also the Supreme Goddess in the sect and assists Vishnu to create, protect and transform the universe."

Someone edited it to say "Lakshmi is both the wife and divine energy (shakti) of the Hindu god Vishnu, She, the Mother of the Universe, is the eternal companion of Vishnu. Just as He is omnipresent, so is She. she is also the Supreme Goddess and assists Vishnu to create, protect and transform the universe."

The addition has led to some horrible looking grammar in that sentence. It also introduces irregular capitalization and someone's obvious religious opinion into the lead. I would revert it but the page is semi-protected. Alexander-Of-The-Monday (talk) 19:22, 3 September 2021 (UTC)

Goddess Lakshmi have a mount is white owl. She is often worshipped with owl ! In Bengal , Assam, Tripura and some Odissa side. Nirmaly84 (talk) 02:52, 21 October 2021 (UTC)

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Lakshmi is depicted as mahadevi mahamaya 2409:4053:19F:972D:0:0:1E82:B0AD (talk) 13:24, 23 December 2021 (UTC)

 Not done: it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format and provide a reliable source if appropriate. ScottishFinnishRadish (talk) 13:35, 23 December 2021 (UTC)

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You can mention 18 sons ( Sri suktam) and kamadeva of devi lakshmi and daughters amrithvalli , sundarvalli in children block .( many people consider her childless) 2402:3A80:447:4452:0:72:9EA7:C701 (talk) 04:52, 24 January 2022 (UTC)

 Not done: it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format and provide a reliable source if appropriate. Cannolis (talk) 05:08, 24 January 2022 (UTC)

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1)Devi lakshmi has children it can be mentioned ( In Sri suktam she has 18 sons And kamadeva god of love is her son ( harivamsa . She has 2 daughters amrithvalli and sundaravalli. Kindly mention this. 2) lakshmi devi iconography she is worshipped as vaikunth kamalaja In north parts of India ( half vishnu,half lakshmi). Please add this in her iconography section. 42.111.130.245 (talk) 05:10, 24 January 2022 (UTC)

 Not done: please provide reliable sources that support the change you want to be made. ScottishFinnishRadish (talk) 13:21, 24 January 2022 (UTC)

Devi lakshmi is worshipped as vaikunt kamalaja (half vishnu and half lakshmi Devi form ) in Jammu and. Nepal (https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vaikuntha_Kamalaja) mentioned in Wikipedia 2409:4073:38C:B1FE:0:0:25A0:18B1 (talk) 15:54, 29 January 2022 (UTC)

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children- Kamadeva to Children- Kamadeva (harivamsa) , 18 sons (Sri suktam rig Veda) , daughters- amrithvalli and sundaravalli (wives of Kartikeya)(skand puran) 2409:4072:639E:C954:0:0:53E:68A1 (talk) 10:25, 27 March 2022 (UTC)

 Not done: please provide reliable sources that support the change you want to be made. ScottishFinnishRadish (talk) 10:34, 27 March 2022 (UTC)

I have added few temples and images of goddess

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Pointn (talk) 11:18, 20 July 2022 (UTC)

1. Mahalaxmi is wife of Shiva... A version of a power..shakti . Laxmi is the Godess of wealth ..not the strength and power to earn the wealth is Mahalxmi. 2. In maharashtar during the Ganesh festival , mahalaxmi arrives , as Gauri. She is accompanied by her husband Shankroba.. (Shankar =Shiva) 3. Amba Mata.. is also called as Mahalaxmi in many temples. Most prominent is Kolhapur temple ambabai..mahalaxmi. 4. Saraswati and Laxmi , kali are the results or achievments... not the powers... The shakti required to achieve each of them is Maha.. maha sarasvati, mahalakshmi, mahakali. .. Niteen kumbhojkar (talk) 07:47, 5 September 2022 (UTC)

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1. The text in parenthesis is not a translation of the text outside: "Sri Manthra Raja Rajini (the queen of Sri Vidya)". This might be a copy-paste error from the previous few words "Srividyaa (she who is Sri Vidya)". I could not find a translation for "Sri Manthra Raja Rajini". 2. Change "Prakashadiya, a Gupta ruler" to "Prakashaditya, a Gupta ruler". Soutrikm1 (talk) 13:41, 11 October 2022 (UTC)

 Not done: please provide reliable sources that support the change you want to be made. Aaron Liu (talk) 11:30, 31 October 2022 (UTC)

Do we require separate refs for the combined list of the incarnations when almost all the wikipages mentioned in the list have the refs attached (on their respective pages) which supports the claim of them being the incarnation of Lakshmi. Also, the incarnations mentioned in the list with no wikipages of their own, already have the supportive refs attached. Kridha (talk) 11:47, 11 May 2023 (UTC)

Yes. Other articles change. Skyerise (talk) 11:57, 11 May 2023 (UTC)

@Skyerise Thanks. In that case, I'll add the refs for every individual incarnation. Kridha (talk) 12:03, 11 May 2023 (UTC)

Sounds good. They probably should be sorted either alphabetically or chronologically while you're at it. Skyerise (talk) 12:05, 11 May 2023 (UTC)