Talk:Battle of Achelous (1359): Difference between revisions

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Rated as stub as there is little information given about the battle, just context. On a related point, wikipedia doesn't list another Battle of Achelous, so date disambiguation isn't required, unless there are concerns about confusion with the Battle of Acheloos.Monstrelet (talk) 08:43, 15 May 2010 (UTC)[reply]

It seems that the present form of the article, suffers from serious historical inaccuracies. Some examples:

• these two Despotates are named 'independent', where is this written? actually accordint to this [[1]] the Albanian tribesmen obtained the titles of Despot from the Serbian ruler.
• "After defeating Orsini the Albanians captured Arta and other towns, establishing two independent states", well this is wrong too: Arta submitted to Symeon after beeing threteaned by the Albanian tribesmen and followingly Symeon agreed to divide Aetolia (and south Epirus) between the two Albanian tribesmen (Boua&Losha) [[[[2]] (p. 350).

This blind revert policy, hiding specific historical events, and giving the wrong summary 'pointy' is simply unacceptable. [[3]]Alexikoua (talk) 19:56, 17 May 2010 (UTC)[reply]

After checking the current sources the article seems to have additional inaccuracies: according to this:[[4]] 'due to their tribal structure, the Albanian tribes that settled in the region didn't replace any existing Greek or Serbian rule with an Albanian state.' it seems the lead needs some rewording accoring to this.Alexikoua (talk) 09:24, 18 May 2010 (UTC)[reply]

• 1)where the Albanians were able to take over Arta and other after defeating Nicephorus II

2)read pages 350-51 of Antwerp. By 1366-67 Albanians controlled all of Epirus except the city of Ioannina.

There is no dispute since the sources are precise so please don't insist on WP:IDONTLIKEIT grounds.--— ZjarriRrethues — ^talk 09:51, 18 May 2010 (UTC)[reply]

I added per source with the parts you omitted to quote the Simeon Uros involvement. Thus the dispute has been resolved and the tag can be removed.--— ZjarriRrethues — ^talk 09:36, 18 May 2010 (UTC)[reply]

The two issues i've initially mentioned above: (After defeating Orsini the Albanians captured Arta and other towns & the independent Despotates) are still complete wp:or according to the sources.Alexikoua (talk) 09:44, 18 May 2010 (UTC)[reply]

• 1)the Albanians were able to take over Arta and other towns after defeating Nicephorus II

2)read pages 350-51 of Antwerp. By 1366-67 Albanians controlled all of Epirus except the city of Ioannina, but since that is your main objection I replaced independent states with despotates

There is no dispute since the sources are precise so please don't insist on WP:IDONTLIKEIT grounds.--— ZjarriRrethues — ^talk 09:51, 18 May 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Still can't understand what you mean idontlikeit here, the article had several inacurracies, but mysteriously you insist on blind reverting with the wrong summary 'pointy'. By the way you seem avoid this piece of information, which is quite important for the context: "The towns of Epirus were threatened by the Albanian tribesmen, so Nicephorus' cities of Arta and Jannina , as well as various lesser towns, quickly submitted to Symeon." without a clear reason [[5]]. Simply: Arta wasn't just captured by the Albanians, but given to them by after agreement with Symeon.Alexikoua (talk) 11:09, 18 May 2010 (UTC)[reply]