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:No, because he is still an MP. See the two discussions of this above. [[User:Grachester|Grachester]] ([[User talk:Grachester|talk]])
:No, because he is still an MP. See the two discussions of this above. [[User:Grachester|Grachester]] ([[User talk:Grachester|talk]])

== Splitting proposal - new article: "Early life and career of Boris Johnson" ==
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There has been a <nowiki>{{very long}}</nowiki> template on this article since added by [[User:Tim O'Doherty]] in June '23, and [[User:Tpbradbury]] has just updated the template's word count to 19,000. (Thanks both!)

Based on the rule of thumb at [[WP:SIZESPLIT]] that pages over 15,000 words "almost certainly should be divided or trimmed", I propose that the [[Boris Johnson#Early life and education|Early life and education]] and [[Boris Johnson#Early career|Early career]] sections of this article be split into a seperate page called [[Early life and career of Boris Johnson]].

The rationale for turning those two sections into that specific page is that:
* they are two of the largest level 1 heading subsections of this article that don't link out to a seperate article on the topic, eg. in the way the [[Boris Johnson#Mayor of London (2008–2016)|Mayor of London (2008–2016)]] section links out to [[Mayoralty of Boris Johnson]].
* there is precedent for this type of [[WP:SPINOUT|spinout]] article for world leaders, eg. [[Early life and career of Joe Biden]], [[Early life and career of Barack Obama]].

I believe Johnson's early career (especially Spectator/Henley) is notable enough, well-sourced enough, and these sections large enough, to make its own page.

Your thoughts welcome.

[[User:Jonathan Deamer|Jonathan Deamer]] ([[User talk:Jonathan Deamer|talk]]) 20:52, 20 December 2023 (UTC)

:@[[User:Jonathan Deamer|Jonathan Deamer]] - Nice to see some action being taken, good on you for that. I'm not sure an entire new article's the best solution, but it's certainly an option. I think there is a lot of [[WP:CRUFT|cruft]] and [[WP:TOOMUCH|detail]] then can be condensed or removed in the article itself, certainly later down too. I might pursue that first. [[User:Tim O&#39;Doherty|Tim O&#39;Doherty]] ([[User talk:Tim O&#39;Doherty|talk]]) 21:03, 20 December 2023 (UTC)
:'''Support''': I was thinking of something very similar to this just the other day. It would be a strong step in the right direction to address the prose size issue, so I can get behind it since it's also been done for other prominent leaders. [[User:TheBritinator|TheBritinator]] ([[User talk:TheBritinator|talk]]) 04:14, 5 January 2024 (UTC)
:'''Oppose''' - I feel this is an article about Boris Johnson as a person and politician, it should stay here but I'd suggest trim it a little. [[User:Lagwerious|Lagwerious]] ([[User talk:Lagwerious|talk]]) 19:26, 18 March 2024 (UTC)

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*'''oppose''' - The solution to excessive page length is to make the page more concise. Also there's at least a bit of question-mark over stand-alone notability for this topic since BoJo is not Churchill and his early life is rarely talked about as a notable topic in and of itself. [[User:FOARP|FOARP]] ([[User talk:FOARP|talk]]) 12:22, 17 January 2024 (UTC)
*:That could also work, but I find a separate page to be more suitable. [[User:TheBritinator|TheBritinator]] ([[User talk:TheBritinator|talk]]) 15:24, 17 January 2024 (UTC)

*'''Oppose''' - Entirely agree with [[User:FOARP|FOARP]]. The solution is to make the page more concise. His main notability is due to having been PM, and that was for only 3 years. The page is currently far too long and detailed compared with the equivalent sections for other modern PMs, say, Churchill (8.5 years), Wilson (7.5 years), Thatcher (11.5 years) or Blair (10 years). [[User:Masato.harada|Masato.harada]] ([[User talk:Masato.harada|talk]]) 10:08, 18 January 2024 (UTC)
*:To be fair this recentism bias is everywhere in Wikipedia. It's not just there being more information, it's about partisanship meaning that fact X has to be included despite it being undue in a encyclopaedia article, which in turn means that fact Y also needs to be included to give "balance". Historical subject matter is dealt with more objectively.
*:Take, for example, the statement in the lead section that {{tq|"Johnson is seen by many as a controversial figure in British politics"}}. Do we bother including a statement like this about Ramsay MacDonald or Ted Heath? Despite both being "divisive" - a banal and unrevealing statement about most politicians who have fought competitive elections? No because there is no group of partisans who wish to indicate that Heath or MacDonald were unpopular. But the statement that BoJo was "divisive" then needs to be balanced out with something else, so instead we have the statement right after it. All of this leads to massive bloat of the article. Additionally, it's anachronistic [https://yougov.co.uk/topics/politics/explore/public_figure/Boris_Johnson as polling seems to show the public pretty united on the topic of Boris Johnson]. [[User:FOARP|FOARP]] ([[User talk:FOARP|talk]]) 10:37, 29 January 2024 (UTC)
*:I disagree that making the main article more concise is somehow incompatible with this proposal. If anything, the reverse is true. It allows us to retain notable information about his early life on Wikipedia without contributing great length to the article. By spinning-off a section, you always give far greater liberty for that section to be made concise. [[User:SecretName101|SecretName101]] ([[User talk:SecretName101|talk]]) 17:42, 4 March 2024 (UTC)
*'''Support''' There's enough verifiable material from RS to support such an article. ~ [[User:HAL333|<span style="background:red; color:white; padding:2px; border:1px solid red;">'''HAL'''</span>]][[User talk:HAL333|<span style="background:black; color:white; padding:2px; border:1px solid red;">'''333'''</span>]] 17:33, 19 January 2024 (UTC)

*'''Support''' as a reasonable way of dealing with excessive page length. [[User:Andysmith248|Andysmith248]] ([[User talk:Andysmith248|talk]]) 14:15, 20 January 2024 (UTC)

*'''Oppose''' - make this page more concise - as argued by [[User:FOARP|FOARP]]. Having more than one page on Johnson may look ridiculous in a few years: he is rarely mentioned in the media already. His early life is hardly notable and can be usefully "pruned" here - compare its length with that of (say) David Cameron, PM for 6 years (although we know BJ wishes to compare himself with Churchill !). On top of that, there are already articles such as the [[2019 Conservative Party leadership election]]. [[User:Roy Bateman|Roy Bateman]] ([[User talk:Roy Bateman|talk]]) 03:24, 28 January 2024 (UTC)
*'''Support''' per [[WP:SIZESPLIT]], more detail can be moved to another such page and it can be written in summary style here. [[User:Spy-cicle|<span style='color: 4019FF;'><b>&nbsp;Spy-cicle💥&nbsp;</b></span>]] [[User talk:Spy-cicle#top|<sup><span style='color: #1e1e1e;'><b>'''''Talk'''''?</b></span></sup>]] 17:05, 29 January 2024 (UTC)
*'''Oppose''' - the solution to this tricky issue is not another article. The solution is cutting, condensing and trimming. [[User:Tim O&#39;Doherty|Tim O&#39;Doherty]] ([[User talk:Tim O&#39;Doherty|talk]]) 17:10, 29 January 2024 (UTC)
*'''Oppose''' - the article reads like one of Johnson's own statements. The solution is to make the page more concise. As with any other encyclopaedic WP article, just because there's "enough verifiable material" for a new article doesn't mean there should be one. [[User:Masato.harada|Masato.harada]] ([[User talk:Masato.harada|talk]]) 17:37, 29 January 2024 (UTC)
* '''Oppose'''. This bloated monstrosity for a relative lightweight politician is laughable. Radical cutting is the answer, not splitting and further bloating. - [[User:SchroCat|SchroCat]] ([[User talk:SchroCat|talk]]) 01:15, 3 February 2024 (UTC)
*'''Oppose''' - In my opinion, the topic of 'Boris Johnson's early life and career' is not, in and of itself, [[WP:NOTABLE|notable]] - in a nutshell, I don't think anyone really cares about it much anymore. The cause of this article being too long is that there are extremely long sections on topics which ''already'' have main articles. For example:
**The Mayor of London section is very long, despite there already being a main article [[Mayoralty of Boris Johnson]].
**There's a long section on his spell as Foreign Secretary 2016–2018, despite there already being a main article [[Boris Johnson's tenure as Foreign Secretary]].
**There's a long section on his premiership, despite there already being a main article [[Premiership of Boris Johnson]].
**There's a long section on Partygate, despite there being a main article [[Partygate]].
**There's a substantial section on his political positions and ideology, despite there being a main article [[Political positions of Boris Johnson]].
There's probably more examples. I think the best way forward to reduce the length of this article is to cut & paste large chunks from these sections into the corresponding main articles. [[User:Mmitchell10|Mmitchell10]] ([[User talk:Mmitchell10|talk]]) 16:52, 4 February 2024 (UTC)
<br>PS. The correct process for cutting & pasting chunks from one article to another is outlined at [[WP:SECMOVE]]. [[User:Mmitchell10|Mmitchell10]] ([[User talk:Mmitchell10|talk]]) 07:10, 5 February 2024 (UTC)
*'''Oppose''' per [[User:Mmitchell10|Mmitchell10]]'s argument. Johnson's early life and career aren't independently notable enough to warrant an entire article and a lot of the puff on this page is down to unnecessary info throughout the article that can be moved to the other articles like much of the Premiership stuff and so on. [[User:ThatRandomGuy1|ThatRandomGuy1]] ([[User talk:ThatRandomGuy1|talk]]) 17:35, 26 February 2024 (UTC)
*:These are largely notable facts about Johnson's biography. Boris himself is notable. Notable facts about him should be included on the project.
*:The question of "how the man was made" is a pretty big point of discussion/speculation for those who rise to lead G7 nations.
*:However, great details on these facts are not the prime area of interest that many people come to his page to read. Many are more interested in his national political career. Hence why spinning this content off to be independent is useful: people can still find information/answers about this point in his life on Wikipedia, but others won't need to scroll past all of that detail in the top of his article. [[User:SecretName101|SecretName101]] ([[User talk:SecretName101|talk]]) 17:45, 4 March 2024 (UTC)
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== Turned away ==

On 2 May Johnson was turned away from his local polling station, for the [[2024 United Kingdom local elections]], after forgetting his [[Elections Act 2022|required photo ID]]. This has been very widely reported: [https://apnews.com/article/uk-election-boris-johnson-photo-id-038bf7bf72c7490137ec921a5242a2ef AP], [https://news.sky.com/story/boris-johnson-pays-tribute-to-polling-station-staff-who-refused-to-let-him-vote-without-photo-id-13128674 Sky], [https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-68947834 BBC], [https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/home-news/boris-johnson-elections-polling-station-b2538777.html ''The Independent''], [https://www.reuters.com/world/uk/uks-boris-johnson-who-introduced-voter-id-rule-forgets-his-while-voting-2024-05-02/ Reuters], [https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/article/2024/may/02/minister-sorry-as-veterans-find-id-card-not-valid-for-english-elections ''The Guardian''], [https://www.itv.com/news/2024-05-02/boris-johnson-turned-away-from-voting-after-forgetting-photo-id ''ITVX''], etc., etc. I'm surprised this is not mentioned, especially considering which Prime Minister was responsible for the relevant legislation. [[User:Martinevans123|Martinevans123]] ([[User talk:Martinevans123|talk]]) 12:13, 4 May 2024 (UTC)

:Why didn't you just add it? As long as you keep it accurate, neutral, in-context, and policy compliant, unlike [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Boris_Johnson&diff=1221925893&oldid=1221253237 yesterday's inaccurate, one-sided, and context-free attempt]. ''The Guardian'' can help further, it has a more up-to-date [https://www.theguardian.com/politics/article/2024/may/04/boris-johnson-pays-tribute-to-polling-staff-who-refused-to-let-him-vote-without-id article about it today], covering Johnson's own coverage of the event from his ''Daily Mail'' column too. We could possibly create a whole section about it, if not even a new article? -- [[User:DeFacto|DeFacto]] ([[User Talk:DeFacto|talk]]). 14:15, 4 May 2024 (UTC)
::I don't think it's particularly noteworthy personally. This article is already too long to begin with, and I'm not convinced it passes the [[WP:10YEARTEST]]. [[User:Michaeldble|Michaeldble]] ([[User talk:Michaeldble|talk]]) 19:20, 4 May 2024 (UTC)
:::I can't quite decide if it's just a publicity stunt or if he really is that stupid: "{{tq|... I appeared in the polling station with nothing to prove my identity except the sleeve of my copy of ''[[Prospect (magazine)|Prospect]]'' magazine, on which my name and address had been printed...}}" [[User:Martinevans123|Martinevans123]] ([[User talk:Martinevans123|talk]]) 08:51, 5 May 2024 (UTC)
::::Or just another example of his renowned absent-mindedness? -- [[User:DeFacto|DeFacto]] ([[User Talk:DeFacto|talk]]). 09:17, 5 May 2024 (UTC)
:::::Ah yes. Inventing rules that [[Partygate|others should follow]]. [[User:Martinevans123|Martinevans123]] ([[User talk:Martinevans123|talk]]) 09:37, 5 May 2024 (UTC)
::::::As entertaining as it is, this really doesn't seem notable enough for this page. It's already ridiculously bloated to begin with [[User:Michaeldble|Michaeldble]] ([[User talk:Michaeldble|talk]]) 20:05, 5 May 2024 (UTC)
:::::::So it could be trimmed. Ridiculously trimmed, even. I'd suggest it's far more relevant here than at [[2024 United Kingdom local elections]]. [[User:Martinevans123|Martinevans123]] ([[User talk:Martinevans123|talk]]) 20:15, 5 May 2024 (UTC)
::::::::I meant the article was too bloated btw. I was going to suggest moving it to the local elections & [[Elections Act 2022]] articles possibly [[User:Michaeldble|Michaeldble]] ([[User talk:Michaeldble|talk]]) 20:31, 5 May 2024 (UTC)
:::::::::Yes, that might be <s>even funnier</s> more relevant. [[User:Martinevans123|Martinevans123]] ([[User talk:Martinevans123|talk]]) 20:42, 5 May 2024 (UTC)
:::::::::I don't think it would be due or relevant in either the [[2024 United Kingdom local elections]] or the local elections & [[Elections Act 2022]] articles. It's more to do with Johnson's character than election law. -- [[User:DeFacto|DeFacto]] ([[User Talk:DeFacto|talk]]). 20:44, 5 May 2024 (UTC)
::::::::::Tend to agree. Although yes, he probably deserves a mention at [[Zip line]]. [[User:Martinevans123|Martinevans123]] ([[User talk:Martinevans123|talk]]) 20:51, 5 May 2024 (UTC)
:::::::::::I meant that it could be included in those articles with the angle of there being difficulties in implementing the new legislation with this as an example. I just don't think we should have it here - we don't need to include everything that's mentioned about him in reliable sources, he's probably the most high profile British politician of the last 10 years. [[User:Michaeldble|Michaeldble]] ([[User talk:Michaeldble|talk]]) 21:10, 5 May 2024 (UTC)
::::::::::::This wasn't an example of difficulties implementing the legislation though, this was an example of how well it worked, with even when a well-known character having to go home to get his ID after he had forgotten to bring it. -- [[User:DeFacto|DeFacto]] ([[User Talk:DeFacto|talk]]). 21:26, 5 May 2024 (UTC)
:::::::::::::But it is an example of Johnson forgetting about rules he himself introduced in government? That's partly why it's received so much media coverage. Unless, perhaps, he just wanted to publicly demonstrate how well the legislation works. Although that might be uncharitable. [[User:Martinevans123|Martinevans123]] ([[User talk:Martinevans123|talk]]) 07:32, 9 May 2024 (UTC)
:Move it to [[2024_United_Kingdom_local_elections]]? [[User:Uwappa|Uwappa]] ([[User talk:Uwappa|talk]]) 20:07, 5 May 2024 (UTC)
::Or let [[User:DeFacto|DeFacto]] create his stand-alone article? [[User:Martinevans123|Martinevans123]] ([[User talk:Martinevans123|talk]]) 20:17, 5 May 2024 (UTC)
:::Ha ha, yes, go for it! How about a light hearted page called [[Boris Bloopers]] or [[BoJo fun facts]], which includes other funny moments such as [https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2019/jul/16/stuck-zip-wire-boris-johnson-london-2012-olympics the dangling on a zip wire]? [[User:Uwappa|Uwappa]] ([[User talk:Uwappa|talk]]) 20:28, 5 May 2024 (UTC)
:::I won't be creating an article on it. I don't mind it being in this article so long as the context is all kept intact. -- [[User:DeFacto|DeFacto]] ([[User Talk:DeFacto|talk]]). 20:32, 5 May 2024 (UTC)
::::And let's all not forget [[Paultons Park|Peppa Pig World]]... [[User:Martinevans123|Martinevans123]] ([[User talk:Martinevans123|talk]]) 20:43, 5 May 2024 (UTC) [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8zHURhs0DbM truly amazing]
::::How about a new subchapter in [[Public_image_of_Boris_Johnson#Political_image]]? [[User:Uwappa|Uwappa]] ([[User talk:Uwappa|talk]]) 07:22, 6 May 2024 (UTC)
:::::Perhaps it's becoming obvious that we may need to make allowances for someone who is now getting even more befuddled and forgetful in his later years? [[User:Martinevans123|Martinevans123]] ([[User talk:Martinevans123|talk]]) 21:41, 8 May 2024 (UTC)
:::::Yes, that might be a possibility. Although this was something really "outside" politics? [[User:Martinevans123|Martinevans123]] ([[User talk:Martinevans123|talk]]) 07:37, 9 May 2024 (UTC)

Can we settle this one? At time of writing, the article simply states that Johnson was turned away from voting. In my opinion, this fact on its own is not especially notable. However, the important and notable fact is that Johnson himself introduced the Elections Act, and he then appeared to be unaware of its provisions on this occasion and tried to circumvent them. So, either the entire statement should be removed, or the information about the Act should be restored. Opinions? [[User:Masato.harada|Masato.harada]] ([[User talk:Masato.harada|talk]]) 08:25, 9 May 2024 (UTC)

:On wonders why he would mention or present his copy of ''Prospect'' magazine. Because he had forgotten it was useless? Because he wanted to test the system? As one of his funny bumbling jokes, so he'd make the headlines? For some other reason(s)? Maybe he thought he had his passport with him, but just discovered he'd mistakenly left it at home. It's hard to know, isn't it. [[User:Martinevans123|Martinevans123]] ([[User talk:Martinevans123|talk]]) 08:44, 9 May 2024 (UTC)
::<nowiki>Fine. So should the incident be in or out? ~~~</nowiki> [[User:Masato.harada|Masato.harada]] ([[User talk:Masato.harada|talk]]) 08:57, 9 May 2024 (UTC)
:::I think it should be in. As it was very widely reported in the news. That's why I added it. [[User:Martinevans123|Martinevans123]] ([[User talk:Martinevans123|talk]]) 09:02, 9 May 2024 (UTC)

:This episode is [[WP:10YT|unlikely to have enduring significance]] and should be excluded. [[User:Nikkimaria|Nikkimaria]] ([[User talk:Nikkimaria|talk]]) 05:41, 10 May 2024 (UTC)
::I'd agree that "{{tq|Editors writing today do not have a historical perspective on today's events...}}" We all are those, aren't we. Relative and enduring significance will depend on how long he lives and what he does next. As he's no longer an MP, his political career seems to be on a diminishing path. But [[WP:CRYSTAL|who knows]]. [[User:Martinevans123|Martinevans123]] ([[User talk:Martinevans123|talk]]) 10:44, 10 May 2024 (UTC)

There's been a lot of chat on this topic, but not many specific opinions on my request to settle it. Therefore, I am going to restore the clause about the Elections Act, which was introduced by Johnson himself. This is the notability of the incident. [[User:Masato.harada|Masato.harada]] ([[User talk:Masato.harada|talk]]) 09:57, 17 May 2024 (UTC)


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:{{Not done}} per [[WP:UNDUE]]. [[User:Tim O&#39;Doherty|Tim O&#39;Doherty]] ([[User talk:Tim O&#39;Doherty|talk]]) 16:55, 20 June 2024 (UTC)
:{{Not done}} per [[WP:UNDUE]]. [[User:Tim O&#39;Doherty|Tim O&#39;Doherty]] ([[User talk:Tim O&#39;Doherty|talk]]) 16:55, 20 June 2024 (UTC)
::This name calling does not really get anyone anywhere. Boris' legacy will be the Ukraine war, he indicated it himself, saying once 'if I cannot help Ukraine, I do not want to be Prime Minister any more." Ukraine mattered to him more than the British people who elected him, it seems, and yes, that's a sort of betrayal. [[Special:Contributions/2001:8003:A070:7F00:354C:446C:623D:E06C|2001:8003:A070:7F00:354C:446C:623D:E06C]] ([[User talk:2001:8003:A070:7F00:354C:446C:623D:E06C|talk]]) 03:42, 22 September 2024 (UTC)

== "Johnson referred to the Roman statesman Cincinnatus. Some commentators noted that, while, as Johnson said, Cincinnatus returned to his plough, he was also later recalled to power" ==

Do we still need to include this sentence? It clearly implies Johnson will also return to power, despite the chances of that happening being slim to none. [[User:ThingsCanOnlyGetWetter|ThingsCanOnlyGetWetter]] ([[User talk:ThingsCanOnlyGetWetter|talk]]) 08:43, 9 July 2024 (UTC)


== Error in paragraph 2 ==
== Categories missing from this article ==


Paragraph 2 says Boris Johnson was added to Michael Howard's shadow cabinet in 2001, but Michael Howard was not leader of the opposition at the time. Later in the article, it says Boris Johnson was added to the shadow cabinet in 200<u>'''4'''</u> [[User:JDawg37|JDawg37]] ([[User talk:JDawg37|talk]]) 15:48, 2 October 2024 (UTC)
Having committed a criminal offence <br>the subject of this article qualifies for category inclusion in - <br>Category:British_politicians_convicted_of_crimes <br>
Category:Category:English_politicians_convicted_of_crimes [[Special:Contributions/88.97.236.184|88.97.236.184]] ([[User talk:88.97.236.184|talk]]) 13:34, 28 June 2024 (UTC)
:{{Esp|n}} In law there is a distinction between committing an offence and being convicted of an offence. Article subject was determined by the filth to have committed an offence. This does not mean that he is convicted of an offence. <span style="white-space:nowrap;text-shadow:#4682B4 0.1em 0.1em 1.5em,#4682B4 -0.1em -0.1em 1.5em;color:#000000">[[User:Cambial Yellowing|<i style="color:#999900">Cambial </i>]]— [[User talk:Cambial Yellowing|<b style="color:#218000">foliar❧</b>]]</span> 13:46, 28 June 2024 (UTC)

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Former good article nomineeBoris Johnson was a Social sciences and society good articles nominee, but did not meet the good article criteria at the time. There may be suggestions below for improving the article. Once these issues have been addressed, the article can be renominated. Editors may also seek a reassessment of the decision if they believe there was a mistake.
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get rid of mp by his name and hon friba — Preceding unsigned comment added by Vauxhallinsig (talkcontribs)


No, because he is still an MP. See the two discussions of this above. Grachester (talk)

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adding the "commonly known as Boris the Betrayer" after the first line "Alexander Boris de Pfeffel Johnson (born 19 June 1964)" i.e. the opening statement should be:

Alexander Boris de Pfeffel Johnson (born 19 June 1964), commonly known as Boris the Betrayer ...

This addition is based on https://www.reuters.com/article/us-britain-eu-fish-idUSKBN29415G/

which has already been cited as a source. 209.93.249.248 (talk) 16:34, 20 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Not done for now: please establish a consensus for this alteration before using the {{Edit semi-protected}} template. M.Bitton (talk) 16:53, 20 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
 Not done per WP:UNDUE. Tim O'Doherty (talk) 16:55, 20 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
This name calling does not really get anyone anywhere. Boris' legacy will be the Ukraine war, he indicated it himself, saying once 'if I cannot help Ukraine, I do not want to be Prime Minister any more." Ukraine mattered to him more than the British people who elected him, it seems, and yes, that's a sort of betrayal. 2001:8003:A070:7F00:354C:446C:623D:E06C (talk) 03:42, 22 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

"Johnson referred to the Roman statesman Cincinnatus. Some commentators noted that, while, as Johnson said, Cincinnatus returned to his plough, he was also later recalled to power"

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Do we still need to include this sentence? It clearly implies Johnson will also return to power, despite the chances of that happening being slim to none. ThingsCanOnlyGetWetter (talk) 08:43, 9 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Error in paragraph 2

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Paragraph 2 says Boris Johnson was added to Michael Howard's shadow cabinet in 2001, but Michael Howard was not leader of the opposition at the time. Later in the article, it says Boris Johnson was added to the shadow cabinet in 2004 JDawg37 (talk) 15:48, 2 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]