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This article was nominated for deletion on 30 November 2012 (UTC). The result of the discussion was redirect to List of The X Factor finalists (U.S. season 2)#Fifth Harmony.

This article was nominated for deletion on 16 March 2013 (UTC). The result of the discussion was redirect to List of The X Factor finalists (U.S. season 2)#Fifth Harmony.

This article was nominated for deletion on 26 May 2013 (UTC). The result of the discussion was redirect to List of The X Factor finalists (U.S. season 2)#Fifth Harmony.

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These guys should have their own article at this point, so I'm wondering if it's possible to remove the redirect from it. Thanks HerroLink 05:23, 21 December 2012 (UTC)[reply]

They're not any more notable than they were a few weeks ago, so the AFD still stands. –anemoneprojectors– 11:02, 21 December 2012 (UTC)[reply]

How so? A few weeks ago, yeah, they were just a group of singers on a show. Just yesterday though they won third place in said show, so that's pretty valid. And on top of that, Simon has more or less noted he's going to sign them. If none of that counts as "notable", then I don't know what does (especially since there are articles on here about less notable artists). HerroLink 01:48, 22 December 2012 (UTC)[reply]

They're notable, but still not notable outside of The X Factor. The fact they are notable means they are eligible for inclusion in Wikipedia - and they are, on List of The X Factor finalists (U.S. season 2) along with the rest of the contestants they are just as notable as. When they're notable for something else, like having a charted single or album in a chart, then they can have an album article. The AFD still stands until then. –anemoneprojectors– 13:33, 22 December 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Think you meant article for that last part there... :P Granted, I doubt it'll be much time before that happens to begin with (a single or album release, namely one that charts), so ¯\(°_o)/¯ HerroLink 23:06, 22 December 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Haha I said album! Typing too quickly I think. Yes there might be articles about less notable artists but WP:OTHERSTUFFEXISTS/WP:OTHERCRAPEXISTS. –anemoneprojectors– 23:21, 22 December 2012 (UTC)[reply]

They do fulfill one of the criterion for Wikipedia:Notability (music):

9. Has won or placed in a major music competition.--Babar Suhail (talk) 23:38, 25 December 2012 (UTC)[reply]

So has every other contestant on The X Factor in every country it's broadcast. That's why we have the lists. They satisfy this criterion. –anemoneprojectors– 16:09, 26 December 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Cleaned up the article, they were signed to syko records which gives them notability.Kittycolada911 (talk) 11:43, 30 December 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Last I heard was that Simon Cowell said he wanted to sign them to Syco Music but it hadn't been confirmed if they had been or not. Anyway, even if they have been, that doesn't gain them notability. –anemoneprojectors– 12:47, 31 December 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Article is notable based on previous references and additional references that have emerged since the last AfD discussion.

This article has been redirected numerous times. I have not seen the previous articles, but came here to create a new article and saw that it was previously redirected. Based on the last AFD discussion, it looks like those wanting to delete or redirect the article are waiting for them to have a single or release their album while those looking to keep the article look like the same person using multiple accounts.

While redirecting the article may have seen like the perfect thing to do in the past, waiting for them to release a song or an album makes no sense as they have released numerous covers and there are bands that are notable for their covers. What this comes down to is WP:GNG. Is there significant coverage in reliable sources that are independent from the subject? Absolutely. There are 12 of them that I have included in the article. Please note that this does NOT include a list duplicate articles as you can find the same article syndicated with numerous other sources and each article should only be considered one time for purposes of establishing notability. --DaisyKitteyMEO (talk) 20:36, 22 April 2013 (UTC)[reply]

The AFD result should still stand and your version of the page is barely any different to how it was before the last AFD ended (in fact it had more references before, and fewer "citation needed" tags), so I suggest you try deletion review if you disagree with the result. In the meantime, please update the list entry if there's anything missing - it's why it's there. –anemoneprojectors– 08:02, 23 April 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Just Please no stop it Lauren Jauregui is bisexual and she's dating Camila Cabello it's true please stop changing it! She had an interview with Ellen Degeneres on her talk show.Welcometothenewmillennium 1:05, 3 May 2013 (UTC)

Just because there's something intriguing about a member doesn't mean that the group she's in is notable itself. ZappaOMati 00:16, 4 May 2013 (UTC)[reply]

I wasn't saying that the group is notable and that the article should remain I'm stating factual information Lauren Jauregui is bisexual she likes both men and women or guys/girls vise versa. She dated both Keaton Stromberg and Camila Cabello there are sources to prove that. Both of which were contestants on The X Factor so she was already out of the closet well before the group was even made! Hens why she is Bisexual and not straight! Welcometothenewmillennium 7:50, 4 May 2013 (UTC)

How about Fifth Harmony win a Popdust Next Pop Superstar of 2013? And when Fifth Harmony performed at Radio Disney Music Awards after party? And when Fifth Harmony become a presenter in Radio Disney Music Awards? And when Ed Sheeran tweeted to check out Fifth Harmony's video on youtube? Does it make them notable enough?Ggdlmnt (talk) 10:46, 4 May 2013 (UTC)[reply]

I'm not convinced this Popdust thing is an actual award, it looks like a poll to me, and Popdust appears to be a blog. Someone tweeting most certainly does not make them notable (I've been tweeted by celebrities, does that make me notable?). Most X Factor contestants end up performing somewhere, so that doesn't really add to their notability. –anemoneprojectors– 09:06, 5 May 2013 (UTC)[reply]

And Fifth Harmony presenting an award at Radio Disney Music Awards. And performed at the after party. That's an actual award. Ggdlmnt (talk) 17:12, 5 May 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Presenting an award isn't the same as receiving an award. –anemoneprojectors– 21:50, 5 May 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Are you kidding me people you can not just sit here and tell me that a member from the group (Lauren Jauregui) is not bisexual! I don't care if the article gets deleted or not I'm just telling you factual information that's true! She is attracted to both guys and girls and has been rumored to be dating two contestants from The X Factor Keaton Stromberg from Emblem3 and Camila Cabello from Fifth Harmony both are contestants from the show. So in that case she is in fact bisexual not straight not lesbian or transgender BISEXUAL! Thank you! Welcometothenewmillennium 23:09, 5 May 2013 (UTC)[reply]

check here! Thank you! Ggdlmnt (talk) 03:47, 6 May 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Welcometothenewmillenium, firstly 'rumours' - never can be used in a biography. Secondly, until Jauregui acknowledges and identifies herself as a bisexual - don't add it in the article. Just because she may be in a relationship with another woman, does not mean she identifies herself as bisexual. If you have a reliable source of her stating she is bisexual — that's a different story. Please, take a good read of this policy on biographies of living people, as it properly explains the do's and don't of biographies. Thank you, —MelbourneStar☆^talk 09:15, 6 May 2013 (UTC)[reply]

The section in question, Members, must have reliable sources cited to corroborate content - especially details such as age, ethnicity, birth place, sexuality etc. (newspaper articles, are a grand example). Despite the notion going around, this isn't a negotiation - this is actually policy. Sites that have been misused as references in this article, includ (but not limited to): Tumblr; Wikia; Wiki Answers etc. - all of which must never see daylight in this biography section, or any other biography section/article on the project.

Please do not cut corners in finding references; make sure that they are of high quality, and reliable. Thanks, —MelbourneStar☆^talk 08:54, 6 May 2013 (UTC)[reply]

I understand your concerns and truly all I "reallly" want to do is help that's all not hurt! I will do my best to find high quality article instead of just posting fan bases or gossip on here! Welcometothenewmillennium 12:30 6 May 2013 (UTC)

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Fifth Harmony has gained notability and have released music I think it's time that the AFD gets taken down!

Welcometothenewmillenium (talk) 03:54, 8 July 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Not done: Sorry, but individual admins answering edit requests cannot override the consensus reached at the latest deletion discussion. If you want to recreate it again, you need to ask User:Mkdw, the admin that closed the deletion discussion, and if that doesn't work you can open a deletion review discussion. However, my guess is that such a discussion won't result in the article being unprotected unless you can show that there have been new, good-quality, reliable sources written about the group, or that they somehow otherwise pass WP:BAND. Probably the best thing to do is to give it some time and see if the group get more press coverage outside of the context of the X Factor. Best — Mr. Stradivarius ^{♪ talk ♪} 10:09, 8 July 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Just wanted to add that it looks like, from their list entry, that their single is available to download soon. Perhaps it'll chart. If it does then the group will probably pass WP:BAND, so we should at least wait that long. –anemoneprojectors– 11:31, 8 July 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Yeah but their single has charted they are now touring, released music, singles performed on live national television what more can you ask for? Welcometothenewmillennium 7:25 22 July 2013.

What sort of chart has it charted in? –anemoneprojectors– 07:14, 22 July 2013 (UTC)[reply]

The group just released a single and it is charting now in different countries as we speak! Billboard Hot 100, iTunes, oh my god the freaking single it's charting in Canada, United States, North America, South America, Australia, Brazil all over the world! Welcometothenewmillennium 19:47 22 July 2013.

To add on too of all that they are about to tour with Cher Lloyd? Can someone please tell me why the girls arnt notable enough to hold a stand alone article? There are articles about less notable than Fifth Harmony! If they can't not pass WP:BAND then what will make them pass it? Welcometothenewmillennium 20:12 23 July 2013.

I checked the Billboard Hot 100 today and did not see them on it. Please provide a link that substantiates your claim. All the criteria is there for WP:BAND. I recommend you carefully read it again as iTunes and Mediabase are not national charts (they are third party commercial charts). Lastly, I recommend you read WP:INHERENT that talks about how notability is not inherent. They have plenty of coverage but only in relationship to the X Factor and not as a band alone. Almost every source cites them as contestants of the competition and that their single has not had significant success making them a band that generally would not meet the criteria. That said, it's clear that they will eventually meet the criteria, but it hasn't happened yet. Mkdw^talk 21:02, 23 July 2013 (UTC)[reply]

They have charted in New Zealand. ^[1] Miss Movin' On debuts at number 37 on the NZ Top 40 Singles Chart. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 190.62.101.246 (talk) 01:27, 24 July 2013 (UTC)[reply]

They're charted #85 on Billboard ^[2] The official list will be posted tomorrow. they pass WP:BAND now. What else do we need to do to get the page back up? Sogoodornogood (talk) 01:43, 25 July 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Ok it's 100% official Fifth Harmony is the first act to chart on the Billboard Hot 100 from any series of the X Factor (US). They debut at number 85. ^[3] — Preceding unsigned comment added by 190.62.123.81 (talk) 11:48, 25 July 2013 (UTC)[reply]

For reference, I've been looking for places where Fifth Harmony's debut single "Miss Movin' On" has charted in legit music charts (not iTunes sales charts). So far all I've found is the Billboard Hot 100 and the Official New Zealand Music Chart:

• Billboard Hot 100 - #85^[4]
• The Official New Zealand Music Chart - #37^[5]

The song has so far charted in these two countries, which is one of the criteria in WP:BAND. They are reportedly going to release an album later this year.^[6] Is that significant enough for Fifth Harmony to have its own page? I think they're getting very close. Robyn2000 (talk) 02:15, 26 July 2013 (UTC)[reply]

They have also charted on Billboard Heatseekers Songs at number 9. ^[7] I think that is enough to actually take down the AFD. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 190.62.83.111 (talk) 03:14, 26 July 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Ok so you're just gonna choose to ignore all of this? Do you have a problem against them having their own page? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 190.62.94.45 (talk) 21:07, 28 July 2013 (UTC)[reply]

•  Done The article has been unprotected. For the future, I would like to point out that this encyclopedia is built upon the time and energy of volunteers. Because we do not respond to your your beck and call does not mean we have some subversive and passive agenda. Mkdw^talk 01:45, 29 July 2013 (UTC)[reply]

i'm new to this gig but my argument is that fifth harmony should not be protected if Jessica Sanchez, the runner up of american idol which gets several times more viewership than where this girl band was from, isn't protected in her wiki page. Look up jessica sanchez and as an individual she has more over twice as many followers as the whole band of fifth harmony combined. In addition, fifth harmony isn't a group that has made it into the top mainstream groups and I would argue that the protective label does not do justice to all of those are more popular. Just because a few of her of their advocates/fans ask for a protected status does not mean that it actually constitutes one. I've done surveys where only s small percentage of teens have actually heard of fifth harmony and most are more familiar with jessica sanchez of american idol. Personally, i mistook fifth harmony for the band that P Diddy made up with a few girls.

thanks — Preceding unsigned comment added by 12.227.207.201 (talk) 22:53, 14 August 2013 (UTC)[reply]

The page isn't protected. Reasons for page protection are not related to popularity, but to types of edits made to an article, such as vandalism, content disputes or addition of unsourced material. –anemoneprojectors– 08:06, 16 August 2013 (UTC)[reply]

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Harry Styles should be listed as a member of Fifth Harmony because he has recently joined the group, my evidence is found here: https://twitter.com/camilacabello97/status/390292799318274048 . If you copy this link and paste into the search bar, it will show a tweet by Camila (a member of the group Fifth Harmony) welcoming Harry to the group. Hope you strongly consider this change, thank you.

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This was clearly a joke - it is a screenshot of a vandalised Wikipedia article. Styles is in One Direction and has not joined Fifth Harmony. –anemoneprojectors– 17:45, 16 October 2013 (UTC)[reply]

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In the description there is one name that does not belong to the group members. "Jai Brooks", does not belong there. Also in the right side of the page there's a twitter username that does not belong to the page, nor has a relation with the band or it's members

MariaLauraArias (talk) 00:53, 30 October 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Done. Thanks. Paul Erik ^{(talk)(contribs)} 02:20, 30 October 2013 (UTC)[reply]

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Headlining

• 2013: Harmonize America Mall Tour
• 2013: Fifth Harmony 2013 Tour
• 2014: The Worst Kept Secret Tour

Smileyer (talk) 17:11, 29 December 2013 (UTC)[reply]

• Not done: please provide reliable sources that support the change you want to be made. Technical 13 (talk) 19:10, 29 December 2013 (UTC)[reply]

http://www.fifthharmonyofficial.com/events/ Date: 2/12 — Preceding unsigned comment added by 217.217.8.50 (talk) 06:26, 30 December 2013 (UTC)[reply]

I would like to know why the awards section is continuously being blanked. No reason has been provided in the edit summary. Sources are provided, and I can gather better (or more) sources if that is the problem. Thank you. – TCMemoire 20:04, 5 January 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Disregard; dispute has been resolved. See my talk page here for further information. The sources provided for the information given in the "Awards and nominations" section were not reliable enough and a few of them did not work; the awards themselves did not seem to meet notability guidelines. Perhaps other official awards should be added if they can be found and properly referenced. – TCMemoire 06:59, 8 January 2014 (UTC)[reply]

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hi i would like to change the group picture to a picture i took :)

Fandommaster (talk) 09:18, 14 January 2014 (UTC)[reply]

•  Spain image doesn't seem to exist. I suggest making sure the image is available on commons: under a free license before reacitavting this request. Happy editing! Technical 13 (talk) 00:16, 18 January 2014 (UTC)[reply]

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oh and btw can we add their that "In December 2013, Fifth harmony performed at all of iHeartRadio's Jingle Balls" and this picture that i toook of them at the miami jingle ball

oh and we need to include somewhere in their that fifth harmony is the new face of jovani fashions and that they have joined the 7th Annual "Teens For Jeans" event by being the face of areopostale. sources are http://www.prweb.com/releases/2014/01/prweb11454140.htm and http://www.marketwatch.com/story/aeropostale-and-dosomethingorg-join-to-collect-jeans-for-7th-annual-teens-for-jeans-campaign-2014-01-13?reflink=MW_news_stmp please let me know what you think

Fandommaster (talk) 09:30, 14 January 2014 (UTC)der a free license before reacitavting this request. Happy editing! Technical 13 (talk) 00:16, 18 January 2014 (UTC)[reply]

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Fandommaster (talk) 05:05, 15 January 2014 (UTC)[reply]

• Not done: please be more specific about what needs to be changed. Empty redundant tags don't make anyone go any faster... We are volunteers.  :) Technical 13 (talk) 00:16, 18 January 2014 (UTC)[reply]

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5th Times a Charm (Tour)

Tour by Fifth Harmony Basic Info Start Date May 3, 2014 End Date TBA Associated Album TBA Songs Chronology Previous The Worst Kept Secret Tour Next Live on Tour Gallery (images · videos) 5th Times a Charm is the name of Fifth Harmony's Fourth Headlining Tour and Summer Tour. It was announced March 31st. It will begin May 3, 2014.

Tour Dates Date City Country Venue May 3 Valdosta, GA United States Wild Adventures May 18 San Juan Puerto Rico Luis A. Ferré Performing Arts Center May 31 Mansfield, MA United States Xfinity Center June 1 Wantagh, NY Jones Beach June 4 Silver Spring, MD The Fillmore Silver Spring June 5 Baltimore, MD Baltimore Soundstage June 7 Corona, NY Citi Field June 8 Freehold, NJ iPlay America June 9 Englewood, NJ Bergen Performing Arts Center June 12 Chicago, IL House of Blues Chicago June 14 Toronto Canada Digifest Tour June 21 Deerpark, NY United States Tanger Outlet June 25 Cleveland, OH Jacobs Pavillion June 26 Toledo, OH Stranahan Theatre June 27 Cincinnati, OH PNC Pavilion at Riverbend June 28 Indianapolis, IN Farm Bureau Lawn at White River State Park June 29 Columbus, OH Promo West Pavillion July 18 Santa Ana, CA Orange County Fairgrounds August 28 Minneapolis, MN MN State Fair

Justinnn lawrence (talk) 14:30, 3 May 2014 (UTC)[reply]

 Not done Wikipedia is not a directory nor an advertising site - and you have not cited a reliable source - Arjayay (talk) 18:37, 3 May 2014 (UTC)[reply]

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The band was not created in Miami. Two girls live there, but it was not created there. 99.18.195.113 (talk) 02:05, 13 June 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Not done: please provide reliable sources that support the change you want to be made. Thanks, Older and ... well older (talk) 04:10, 13 June 2014 (UTC)[reply]

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I would like to change "The X Factor" from the beginning of the article to "The X Factor USA" since there is X Factor UK, and others and it is leaving out information when not mentioning which it is. Isaac2097 (talk) 10:08, 1 July 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Not done: please establish a consensus for this alteration before using the {{edit semi-protected}} template. Since the U.S. version is the primary topic, and was the original for this show, I'm disinclined to change the visual wording. I have however fixed the link to go directly to that article instead of the redirect. — {{U|Technical 13}} ^{(e • t • c)} 15:11, 1 July 2014 (UTC)[reply]

It has come to my attention that there has not been mention of Fifth Harmony's performance on The Today Show, in 2014. They preformed with the same song^[9] (and several others) that they first sang in 2013, as mentioned in "2013: Better Together, concerts and covers". This should be mentioned either in their 2013 synopsis, in the second paragraph after the following statement; "The group performed the single for the first time on television on July 18, 2013, on the Today Show in New York City.", or it should be mentioned in their 2014 synopsis, along with further information on the groups' recent activities. Among recent activities, or perhaps additional information, it should be noted that the girl group has recently launched an official fan club, which was announced on their youtube channel^[10] and can be accessed via their site, which is not mentioned in the page. I think it is reasonable to mention their website^[11] as it hosts a great deal of their information, and serves as a interesting point. Please consider this when updating the page Magicaldaze (talk) 16:53, 11 July 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Is this an American girl group, or a Cuban-American girl group?