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They Learned About Women

  • 1930
  • Passed
  • 1h 35m
ÉVALUATION IMDb
5,2/10
277
MA NOTE
They Learned About Women (1930)
DramaMusical

Ajouter une intrigue dans votre langueWhen Jack and Jerry are not playing professional baseball with the Blue Sox, they are packing them in on the Vaudeville circuit. Jack is engaged to Mary, but a gold digger named Daisy has wo... Tout lireWhen Jack and Jerry are not playing professional baseball with the Blue Sox, they are packing them in on the Vaudeville circuit. Jack is engaged to Mary, but a gold digger named Daisy has worked her way into his confidence. When Mary sees Jack and Daisy together, she leaves Jack ... Tout lireWhen Jack and Jerry are not playing professional baseball with the Blue Sox, they are packing them in on the Vaudeville circuit. Jack is engaged to Mary, but a gold digger named Daisy has worked her way into his confidence. When Mary sees Jack and Daisy together, she leaves Jack and Jack marries Daisy the next day. When Daisy decides that she wants into the Vaudeville... Tout lire

  • Directors
    • Jack Conway
    • Sam Wood
  • Writers
    • Andrew Percival Younger
    • Sarah Y. Mason
    • Arthur 'Bugs' Baer
  • Stars
    • Gus Van
    • Joe Schenck
    • Bessie Love
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  • ÉVALUATION IMDb
    5,2/10
    277
    MA NOTE
    • Directors
      • Jack Conway
      • Sam Wood
    • Writers
      • Andrew Percival Younger
      • Sarah Y. Mason
      • Arthur 'Bugs' Baer
    • Stars
      • Gus Van
      • Joe Schenck
      • Bessie Love
    • 13Commentaires d'utilisateurs
    • 3Commentaires de critiques
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    Rôles principaux22

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    Gus Van
    Gus Van
    • Jerry
    Joe Schenck
    Joe Schenck
    • Jack
    Bessie Love
    Bessie Love
    • Mary
    Mary Doran
    Mary Doran
    • Daisy
    J.C. Nugent
    J.C. Nugent
    • Stafford
    Benny Rubin
    Benny Rubin
    • Sam
    Tom Dugan
    Tom Dugan
    • Tim
    Eddie Gribbon
    Eddie Gribbon
    • Brennan
    Francis X. Bushman Jr.
    Francis X. Bushman Jr.
    • Haskins
    Harry Bernard
    Harry Bernard
    • Baseball Spectator
    • (uncredited)
    Clarence Burton
    Clarence Burton
    • House Detective
    • (uncredited)
    Rosalind Byrne
    Rosalind Byrne
    • Nightclub Diner
    • (uncredited)
    George Davis
    George Davis
    • Drunken Waiter
    • (uncredited)
    Mike Donlin
    Mike Donlin
    • Baseball Player
    • (uncredited)
    Cliff Edwards
    Cliff Edwards
    • Singer in Harlem Madness number
    • (uncredited)
    John Kelly
    John Kelly
    • Unruly Baseball Spectator
    • (uncredited)
    Nina Mae McKinney
    Nina Mae McKinney
    • Specialty Singer - Harlem Madness
    • (uncredited)
    Lee Phelps
    • Ballplayer Saying Goodnight to Brennan
    • (uncredited)
    • Directors
      • Jack Conway
      • Sam Wood
    • Writers
      • Andrew Percival Younger
      • Sarah Y. Mason
      • Arthur 'Bugs' Baer
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    drednm

    Bessie Love steals home...

    in this ok 1930 film that stars Joe Schenck and Gus Van as baseball players who hit the vaudeville stage off season. While Schenck and Van were real vaudeville stars, their film careers never took off, and this film showcases their strengths as performers as well as their weaknesses. Their ethnic accent-oriented songs will strike many today as being VERY un-PC just as their songs now seem blah. Into this mix, however, comes the wonderful Bessie Love as their love interest. The always perky Love has only a few moments to shine in this film, but she makes it all worthwhile once hoisted atop a pinao, ukelele in hand, and sings "I've Got a Man of My Own." Love was at the height of her film career in the late 20s and early 30s, before she bailed from Hollywood and headed to London. Love's number in this film, her appearance in Hollywood Revue of 1929, and her Oscar-nominated starring turn in The Broadway Melody all show why she was popular with filmgoers. Worth a look. Co-stars Mary Doran, Benny Rubin, and Tom Dugan.
    8inframan

    Dated but wow, what a...

    great piece of historical entertainment! Embodying the intersection of at least 3 critical eras of the show biz: Vaudeville, Baseball & Film (also sound movies & musicals).

    Check out the Harlem Madness number for dynamite production of the period (1920s, really). Nothing since has even approached the electricity captured in that performance, but lots have tried with endless derivatives (ending but not limited to Moulin Rouge with Kidman & MacGregor).

    Sure, the humor's creaky, the acting's stilted, the direction is confusing (although by two of the stalwarts of the golden age of film).

    But hey, Washington's inaugural (or Lincoln's Gettysburg) address would look pretty dated now, wouldn't they? I'd still give anything to see them wouldn't you?
    2xerses13

    Watchable As A Curiosity...

    Early sound musical THEY LEARNED ABOUT WOMEN (1930) M.G.M. combines BaseBall with the dying performance art of Vaudeville. Throw in some rather poor musical numbers and a romance spoiled by a Gold-Digger and that about sums up the plot. For some this film will be offensive in it's dated ethnic comedy. They should realize that is not the problem, it is just bad even by early sound standards.

    The cast features real Vaudeville performers (Gus) VAN & (Joe) SCHENCK and M.G.M. Star BESSIE LOVE. LOVEs' career was winding down and did not translate well too the sound era. VAN & SCHENCK must be one (1) of the reasons of what killed Vaudeville. This film shows why the Hollywood Musical lost popularity until revived by WARNER BROTHERS and BUSBY BERKERLY in 1933.

    Fast forward now nineteen (19) years and M.G.M. releases TAKE ME OUT TO THE BALL GAME (1949). Nothing gets thrown away in Hollywood so this concept was dusted off, rewritten and given TechniColor and the M.G.M. star power of GENE KELLY, ESTHER WILLIAMS, FRANK SINATRA & BETTY GARRETT. BUSBY BERKERLY directed and this film has at least enjoyable 'Song & Dance' routines. Our rating IMDB******(6).

    A interesting note, long term Character Actor, TOM DUGAN appeared in both films. In T.L.A.W. (1930) he played TIM 'Timmy' O'CONNOR, in T.M.O.T.T.B.G. (1949) it was 'Slappy' BURKE.
    7lugonian

    Baseball Melody

    THEY LEARNED ABOUT WOMEN (Metro-Goldwyn-Mayer, 1930), directed by Jack Conway and Sam Wood, is another assortment of early sound musicals released during the 1929-30 season, one of many to feature either Broadway actors or vaudeville entertainers. Still capitalizing on the earlier success of its first Academy Award winning musical, "The Broadway Melody" (1929) starring Charles King and Bessie Love, THEY LEARNED ABOUT WOMEN could have become another King and Love union, as did CHASING RAINBOWS (1930), but instead, the studio paired Love with the vaudeville team of Joe Schenck (1891-1930), who somewhat resembles Charles King by the way, and Gus Van (1886-1968), in what turned out to be their one and only feature length musical following their few Vitaphone musical shorts released earlier (1928-29).

    Not quite the one about students in an all boys high school attending sex education class (which wouldn't be the norm until the 1970s), THEY LEARNED ABOUT WOMEN is a story about two devoted pals, Jack Glennon (Joe Schenck) and Jerry Burke (Gus Van), vaudeville partners and baseball players ("baseball is their racket") for the Blue Sox. The story opens with Glennon and Burke on a train en route to Florida for spring training after completing their vaudeville tour. The plot development shows Jack's weakness for boozing, and Jerry a kind-hearted guy who looks after his partner of fifteen years. Jerry's engaged to Mary Collins (Bessie Love), whom he plans to marry at the end of the baseball season, yet, after falling victim to a girl he met on the train, Daisy Gebhardt (Mary Doran), a gold digger traveling with the Melody Blondes troupe, Jack strikes out with both Jerry and Mary, and begins to learn about women, especially the one responsible for breaking up his act and friends.

    With new tunes by Jack Yellen and Milton Ager, the motion picture soundtrack includes: "He's That Kind of a Pal" (sung by Schenck and Van); "Ain't you, Baby?" (sung by Van); "When You Were Sweet Sixteen" (by Jack Thornton/ sung by Tom Dugan and Benny Rubin); "I'd Love a Man of My Own" (sung by Bessie Love); "Does Your Baby Love?" (Schenck and Van); "There Will Never Be Another Mary," "Ten Sweet Mammas" (sung by Gus Van, baseball players in locker room and showers); "Daugherty is the Name," "I'm an Old-Fashioned Guy" (Schenck and Van); "Harlem Madness" (Schenck and Van, sung/ danced by Nina Mae McKinney and ensemble); "He's That Kind of a Pal" and "There Will Never Be Another Mary."

    Being a motion picture showcase for Schenck and Van (as they were billed), the dual steps aside for "Harlem Madness," the only production number in the entire movie, and one that the true highlights thanks to the vibrant McKinney, co-star of King Vidor's HALLELUJAH (1929), and the energetic dancing ensemble. Interesting that McKinney didn't receive any screen credit listed as a specialty dancer in the opening cast. And who was that little girl doing the tap dancing solo? Another time Schenck and Van step aside is for the comedy routines of Benny Rubin (Sam Goldberg) and Tom Dugan (Tim O'Connor), baseball players and vaudeville comics. Their jokes are bad, but one can gather the worse the jokes, the funnier the routine.

    As technology in early talkies begin to improve by this point such as camera close-ups on dancing feet and camera zoom-ins. "Harlem Madness" does incorporate occasional close up shots on dancing principles as well as capturing audience reactions seated in the theater. There are some long pauses on subject matter when changing from one reel to another before next scene proceeds. Others seen in the cast include: J.C. Nugent (Mr. Strafford, owner of the baseball team); Eddie Gribbon (Brennan, the umpire); Francis X. Bushman Jr. ("Home-Run" Haskins); and Graham McCracken (Himself/the Baseball Commentator).

    THEY LEARNED ABOUT WOMEN is typical melody and tears material quite common in early musicals that started it all with Al Jolson's THE JAZZ SINGER (Warner Brothers, 1927). The story it represents can be classified as a forerunner to MGM's Technicolor musical, TAKE ME OUT TO THE BALLGAME (1949) starring Frank Sinatra, Esther Williams and Gene Kelly. Though some sources claim the Sinatra-Kelly collaboration to be a remake to the earlier Schenck-Van film, it's actually not. The only similarity is its mixture of vaudeville routines and baseball games incorporated into the plot. Nothing more.

    For the only feature on-screen partnership of Schenck and Van, it's fortunate the motion picture has survived intact (95 minutes), considering how many films from this period have disappeared and gone forever. For being a filmed record of their work, it's a wonder whether or not they might have continue in other films had it not been for Schenck's untimely death. Possibly NO considering how THEY LEARNED ABOUT WOMEN reportedly didn't hit any home runs at the box-office, with no critique reviews published in several major New York City newspapers.

    Other vaudeville headliners as The Duncan Sisters (Rosetta and Vivian) had their very own MGM musical, IT'S A GREAT LIFE (1929) that came and went as did this Schenck and Van musical, becoming virtually forgotten through the passage of time. In 1988, THEY LEARNED ABOUT WOMEN was rediscovered when broadcast in the then new cable television station of Turner Network Television (TNT) before becoming a regular member of Turner Classic Movies since 1994. Because it's still a rare treat of a movie, especially when Schenck and Van are concerned, THEY LEARNED ABOUT WOMEN still remains a worthy rediscovery for historians interested in learning about early sound musicals such as this one. (**)
    8MikeMagi

    A whole lotta' surprises

    "They Learned About Women" is full of surprises, mostly pleasant. The movie was obviously made to showcase vaudeville stars Van and Schenk, cast here as a pair of pro ball players who do a song-and-dance act during the off-season. What's surprising is what first-rate actors they turned out to be. Then there's Bessie Love, a silent screen stalwart, who surprisingly picks up a ukulele and belts out a torch song in bravura style. In fact the musical numbers are exceptionally well staged, a surprise of sorts less than two years after the advent of sound. Even the sub-plot, about a vamp who tricks Van into marriage, works in a dopey sort of way. As does a climactic World Series game, the outcome of which is -- in this case -- no surprise. Forgive a few un-PC song lyrics and enjoy a movie that's surprisingly better than you might expect.

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    • Anecdotes
      Joe Schenck was a big baseball fan and for a while was the captain of a Vaudeville all-star baseball team. Tragically, he died of heart disease six months after after the movie was released.
    • Citations

      Jerry Burke: Listen, chisler, I'm hep to you.

      Daisy: Oh, so you're a smart guy, huh?

      Jerry Burke: I don't have to be smart to get wise to a gal like you.

    • Autres versions
      MGM also issued this movie in a silent version, with Alfred Block writing the titles.
    • Connexions
      Edited into What Price Jazz (1934)
    • Bandes originales
      Ain't You, Baby?
      (1929) (uncredited)

      Music by Milton Ager

      Lyrics by Jack Yellen

      Performed by Gus Van

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    • Date de sortie
      • 31 janvier 1930 (United States)
    • Pays d’origine
      • United States
    • Langue
      • English
    • Aussi connu sous le nom de
      • Playing the Field
    • Lieux de tournage
      • Metro-Goldwyn-Mayer Studios - 10202 W. Washington Blvd., Culver City, Californie, États-Unis(Studio)
    • société de production
      • Metro-Goldwyn-Mayer (MGM)
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      1 heure 35 minutes
    • Couleur
      • Black and White

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